Domain: swpat.org
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Info on their swpat woes
I've gathered some info already about the patent problems that have arrised around the iPad:
- Apple Inc.
- Apple v. HTC (2010, USA) (including multi-touch prior art)
- Apple Dock
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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Info on their swpat woes
I've gathered some info already about the patent problems that have arrised around the iPad:
- Apple Inc.
- Apple v. HTC (2010, USA) (including multi-touch prior art)
- Apple Dock
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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http://en.swpat.org/wiki/New_Zealand
Documentation of this has been ongoing for a few months now:
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Re:Patent risks
More links for you, because I'm feeling generous (and bored):
Tones of links at groklaw, more than a few that take the "software is math" angle
A very blunt, and to the point page from End Soft Patents.I did not just make this argument up off the top of my head. I promise you I'm not that creative. It is a very common argument, and generally considered to be very strong, since it's a pretty damned simple logical statement: A = B, B != C, thus A != C. You could find elementary school students to explain it to you I'm sure.
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http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Intellectual_Ventures
Please help document there here:
http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Intellectual_Ventures
en.swpat.org is a way to build a wealth of info for when we need it.
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Re:http://en.swpat.org/wiki/201001_acta.pdf_as_tex
http://en.swpat.org/wiki/201001_acta.pdf_as_text
I'm typing up the whole thing, for easier reading, searching, copying
Cool, Thank you. - And yes, please keep all of the original errors and typos, Law droids have all sorts of fun with those. "For lack of a comma the land was lost" and all of that..
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http://en.swpat.org/wiki/201001_acta.pdf_as_text
http://en.swpat.org/wiki/201001_acta.pdf_as_text
I'm typing up the whole thing, for easier reading, searching, copying
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an anti-swpat company doing well
Opera Software did great work lobbying against software patents in the campaigns on the EU software patents directive. Thanks Opera!.
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an anti-swpat company doing well
Opera Software did great work lobbying against software patents in the campaigns on the EU software patents directive. Thanks Opera!.
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info from http://en.swpat.org
Here's what I have already on them:
- Microsoft
- Free software distributors paying patent tax (all of which are to Microsoft)
- Apple v. HTC (2010, USA)
- Novell-Microsoft patent deals
- Free software
- Free software projects harmed by software patents
- Mono and Moonlight
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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info from http://en.swpat.org
Here's what I have already on them:
- Microsoft
- Free software distributors paying patent tax (all of which are to Microsoft)
- Apple v. HTC (2010, USA)
- Novell-Microsoft patent deals
- Free software
- Free software projects harmed by software patents
- Mono and Moonlight
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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info from http://en.swpat.org
Here's what I have already on them:
- Microsoft
- Free software distributors paying patent tax (all of which are to Microsoft)
- Apple v. HTC (2010, USA)
- Novell-Microsoft patent deals
- Free software
- Free software projects harmed by software patents
- Mono and Moonlight
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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info from http://en.swpat.org
Here's what I have already on them:
- Microsoft
- Free software distributors paying patent tax (all of which are to Microsoft)
- Apple v. HTC (2010, USA)
- Novell-Microsoft patent deals
- Free software
- Free software projects harmed by software patents
- Mono and Moonlight
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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info from http://en.swpat.org
Here's what I have already on them:
- Microsoft
- Free software distributors paying patent tax (all of which are to Microsoft)
- Apple v. HTC (2010, USA)
- Novell-Microsoft patent deals
- Free software
- Free software projects harmed by software patents
- Mono and Moonlight
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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info from http://en.swpat.org
Here's what I have already on them:
- Microsoft
- Free software distributors paying patent tax (all of which are to Microsoft)
- Apple v. HTC (2010, USA)
- Novell-Microsoft patent deals
- Free software
- Free software projects harmed by software patents
- Mono and Moonlight
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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info from http://en.swpat.org
Here's what I have already on them:
- Microsoft
- Free software distributors paying patent tax (all of which are to Microsoft)
- Apple v. HTC (2010, USA)
- Novell-Microsoft patent deals
- Free software
- Free software projects harmed by software patents
- Mono and Moonlight
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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A critic, but not direct opponent of swpats
Tim's critical of software patents, but his position is that there's just an implimentation problem - with good tweaking it could work. Kinda disappointing that he's not pushing for abolition. Surprising too given his experience in web dev and XML. Related info:
swpat.org is a publicly-editable wiki - help in expanding this info would be very welcome and useful.
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A critic, but not direct opponent of swpats
Tim's critical of software patents, but his position is that there's just an implimentation problem - with good tweaking it could work. Kinda disappointing that he's not pushing for abolition. Surprising too given his experience in web dev and XML. Related info:
swpat.org is a publicly-editable wiki - help in expanding this info would be very welcome and useful.
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A critic, but not direct opponent of swpats
Tim's critical of software patents, but his position is that there's just an implimentation problem - with good tweaking it could work. Kinda disappointing that he's not pushing for abolition. Surprising too given his experience in web dev and XML. Related info:
swpat.org is a publicly-editable wiki - help in expanding this info would be very welcome and useful.
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A critic, but not direct opponent of swpats
Tim's critical of software patents, but his position is that there's just an implimentation problem - with good tweaking it could work. Kinda disappointing that he's not pushing for abolition. Surprising too given his experience in web dev and XML. Related info:
swpat.org is a publicly-editable wiki - help in expanding this info would be very welcome and useful.
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Multi-touch prior art from 1985, more from 1991
Multi-touch has been invented many times. It was even publicly documented in 1985:Multi-touch prior art.
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documenting it on http://en.swpat.org
Here's what I've gathered so far about these:
- Nokia v. Apple (2010, USA)
- Apple v. HTC (2010, USA)
- Nokia
- Apple Inc.
- Patent non-aggression pacts (including the Sun-Microsoft 2004 deal)
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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documenting it on http://en.swpat.org
Here's what I've gathered so far about these:
- Nokia v. Apple (2010, USA)
- Apple v. HTC (2010, USA)
- Nokia
- Apple Inc.
- Patent non-aggression pacts (including the Sun-Microsoft 2004 deal)
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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documenting it on http://en.swpat.org
Here's what I've gathered so far about these:
- Nokia v. Apple (2010, USA)
- Apple v. HTC (2010, USA)
- Nokia
- Apple Inc.
- Patent non-aggression pacts (including the Sun-Microsoft 2004 deal)
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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documenting it on http://en.swpat.org
Here's what I've gathered so far about these:
- Nokia v. Apple (2010, USA)
- Apple v. HTC (2010, USA)
- Nokia
- Apple Inc.
- Patent non-aggression pacts (including the Sun-Microsoft 2004 deal)
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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documenting it on http://en.swpat.org
Here's what I've gathered so far about these:
- Nokia v. Apple (2010, USA)
- Apple v. HTC (2010, USA)
- Nokia
- Apple Inc.
- Patent non-aggression pacts (including the Sun-Microsoft 2004 deal)
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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Good job wikileaks beat them to it!
Sorry to criticise people who are clearly on our side. The Wikileaks folk are great, and the job they were doing was great, and it will be great again when they start back up...
...but it was not a good idea for them to take all the leaked documents offline without notice in order to show their value so that people will donate. It was last year, probably December, and everything's still offline
:-(For one example, they published the only (at the time) big ACTA leak. (There's since been a bigger one, hosted elsewhere) Everyone was pointing to them, and they took their copy offline. To my amazement, no one had a back up, so us anti-ACTA campaigners simply lost the only leaked draft.
At the implementation level, it was a bad idea to simply cause all pages to give error 404. A page of "We need donations, we'll be back up when we get them" would have been better.
Lesson: take backups of important docs, even ones published by groups of good people.
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Re:Context
> To say the ruling class owns the politicians is a circular statement.
You're assuming the politicians aren't puppets.
Look at ACTA. There's nothing in there for the citizenry.
And what do our representatives think is worth debatin? A: Whether instruments of infringement should be destroyed "promptly" (US/EU/Mex), or "without delay" (Canada), or whether a time shouldn't be specified (Aus). Wow, thanks guys.
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Patent problems still there?
Any chance the patent problems of OpenGL 3 have been fixed?
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Maybe they can change IEEE's pro-swpat stance
In the Bilski case, IEEE filed a brief pushing *for* software patents. Maybe specific groups in IEEE, like the 802 group, should push for a change in this position. Having the whole wifi industry paying a tax to CSIRO for a wifi patent must make this group a little more clued in about the harm caused.
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Maybe they can change IEEE's pro-swpat stance
In the Bilski case, IEEE filed a brief pushing *for* software patents. Maybe specific groups in IEEE, like the 802 group, should push for a change in this position. Having the whole wifi industry paying a tax to CSIRO for a wifi patent must make this group a little more clued in about the harm caused.
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Read the leaked draft
Read draft leaked on March 1st to know why.
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Obviously just the start of the story
Glad to hear that he sees this as the major post-leaving issue to raise. I think that's pretty significant in itself.
Hopefully this brief blog entry is just a teaser. It really is hard to draw a clear line between trolls, inter-company attacks, tax seekers.
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Obviously just the start of the story
Glad to hear that he sees this as the major post-leaving issue to raise. I think that's pretty significant in itself.
Hopefully this brief blog entry is just a teaser. It really is hard to draw a clear line between trolls, inter-company attacks, tax seekers.
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Obviously just the start of the story
Glad to hear that he sees this as the major post-leaving issue to raise. I think that's pretty significant in itself.
Hopefully this brief blog entry is just a teaser. It really is hard to draw a clear line between trolls, inter-company attacks, tax seekers.
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The demand is weaker than it seems
Calling for publication of the text is good.
The other provisions of this demand are pretty weak. Some example points:
#2 - no basis? Here's the basis: 2008-04-14: EU: negotiating guidelines for ACTA formally adopted by the Council
#10 - "subsidiarity" etc. - no problem, that's why the EU keeps pushing the words "Those measures, procedures and remedies shall also be effective, proportionate and deterrent" into the ACTA text (see March 1st leaked draft)
And the criminal sanctions are EU okay because the treaty will be handed to the member states for implementation.
Still a great move. Just don't starting thinking we win with it.
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links the the relevant pages
page 27 requires that "the online service providers act expeditiously, in accordance with applicable law, to remove or disable access to infringing material or infringing activity upon obtaining actual knowledge of the infringement" - i.e. upon receiving a cease-and-desist letter.
Page 3 has the current working text about "n order to a party to desist from an infringement" and which the EU wants to be written as "The Parties shall also ensure that the right holders are in a position to apply for an injunction against intermediaries whose services are used by a third party to infringe an intellectual property right."
Page 30 contains the Japanese proposal which is the current working text: 3 ter. Each Party shall enable right holders, who have given effective notification to an online service provider of materials that they claim with valid reasons to be infringing their copyright or related rights, to expeditiously obtain from that provider information on the identity of the relevant subscriber.
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links the the relevant pages
page 27 requires that "the online service providers act expeditiously, in accordance with applicable law, to remove or disable access to infringing material or infringing activity upon obtaining actual knowledge of the infringement" - i.e. upon receiving a cease-and-desist letter.
Page 3 has the current working text about "n order to a party to desist from an infringement" and which the EU wants to be written as "The Parties shall also ensure that the right holders are in a position to apply for an injunction against intermediaries whose services are used by a third party to infringe an intellectual property right."
Page 30 contains the Japanese proposal which is the current working text: 3 ter. Each Party shall enable right holders, who have given effective notification to an online service provider of materials that they claim with valid reasons to be infringing their copyright or related rights, to expeditiously obtain from that provider information on the identity of the relevant subscriber.
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Actually, most of the world's getting it
Worse, it's in the ACTA treaty:
- ACTA
- ACTA-6437-10.pdf as text -leaked draft
Their goal is to conclude the ACTA agreement by the end of 2010. Countries involved are Australia, Canada, the European Union, Japan, Jordan, Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland, the United Arab Emirates, and the United States (US) - and others will be pressured to join afterward.
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Actually, most of the world's getting it
Worse, it's in the ACTA treaty:
- ACTA
- ACTA-6437-10.pdf as text -leaked draft
Their goal is to conclude the ACTA agreement by the end of 2010. Countries involved are Australia, Canada, the European Union, Japan, Jordan, Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland, the United Arab Emirates, and the United States (US) - and others will be pressured to join afterward.
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He'd say mass
From this interview: I've never considered myself at odds with the goals of freedom-first software advocates
And just last September he wrote that "Free software is dead. Long live open source", where he writes:
Free software makes for great headlines ("Miguel de Icaza is basically a traitor to the Free Software community"), but it is far too demanding, and of largely the wrong things, to capture mainstream interest.
... The path forward is open source, not free software. Sometimes that openness will mean embracing Microsoft in order to meet a customer's needs. ...Free software has lost.Dude, that's you being at odds with the goals of the freedom-first advocates. You can embrace Microsoft all you like. Meanwhile, I'm busy working to minimise the patent and FUD harm they're doing to us. Canonical have been helpful so far in campaigns against software patents. I hope there won't be a new "don't offend Microsoft" vibe that changes this.
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Re:Put it on the ground and walk to other side
First there's a patent that prevents the USPTO from rotating applications 180, and now they can't even turn their screen to read stuff?
Off-topic, but the reason the USPTO sends stuff back is because it's the job of the client-paid $600/hour patent attorney to file his or papers properly, not the job of a government-paid worker to dot their i's and cross their t's for them, and verify that every page out of several hundred pages is properly filed.
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Put it on the ground and walk to other side
First there's a patent that prevents the USPTO from rotating applications 180, and now they can't even turn their screen to read stuff?
Life in the thing-rotation space is getting pretty tight.
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info on en.swpat.org/wiki
Here's the software patent info I've gathered on these topics so far:
- Apple inc.
- Nokia
- Litigation
- Infringement is unavoidable
- ACTA-6437-10.pdf as text - not about Apple, but this is the big patent news of the month
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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info on en.swpat.org/wiki
Here's the software patent info I've gathered on these topics so far:
- Apple inc.
- Nokia
- Litigation
- Infringement is unavoidable
- ACTA-6437-10.pdf as text - not about Apple, but this is the big patent news of the month
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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info on en.swpat.org/wiki
Here's the software patent info I've gathered on these topics so far:
- Apple inc.
- Nokia
- Litigation
- Infringement is unavoidable
- ACTA-6437-10.pdf as text - not about Apple, but this is the big patent news of the month
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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info on en.swpat.org/wiki
Here's the software patent info I've gathered on these topics so far:
- Apple inc.
- Nokia
- Litigation
- Infringement is unavoidable
- ACTA-6437-10.pdf as text - not about Apple, but this is the big patent news of the month
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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info on en.swpat.org/wiki
Here's the software patent info I've gathered on these topics so far:
- Apple inc.
- Nokia
- Litigation
- Infringement is unavoidable
- ACTA-6437-10.pdf as text - not about Apple, but this is the big patent news of the month
swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.
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I'm typing a plain text version of the PDF scans
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And software patents legislation!
For the Kiwis, there's also the proposed software patents bill in New Zealand. It's set to be discussed again in, IIRC, March (the page that had the status is 404ing now - I should have mirrored it up). I'll go search for a new source to confirm the status and timeline and will update the wiki.