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Re:Wonderful.
You mean aside from the fact she's a perjuring pathologically lying domestic abuser who works with racist GNAA trolls?
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Re:Slashdot stance on #gamergate
Sigh.
The "scandal" was about cover-up and censorship of the story. Investigations into Kotaku et. al. had nothing to do with justifying or exonerating Gjoni; they were prompted by the fact that Gjoni name-dropped some people that already had terrible reputations in the community (like "Nathan Stupid-Red-Pants-Wearing Kotaku-Writing Grayson"). The "accusations about journalistic integrity" are generally proven, and are *probably not what you imagine them to be*. Tons of stuff has since been turned up that has nothing to do with Quinn, Grayson etc. but are still unquestionably violations of standard journalistic ethics code. Nobody with a clue imagined for a second that "gamer news" was legitimate journalism, but a lot of these people position themselves as journalists when they want to puff themselves up, and bloggers when they want to disclaim personal responsibility. Besides which, that's not a reason not to campaign for change. Finally Gjoni was absolutely not an "arsehole slagging off his ex-girlfriend"; see http://theflounce.com/harassme... .
Nobody is using this as a "reasonable excuse for death and rape threats and doxxing people". The smear tactics in play here are getting old. That's not GG.
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Re:Link please?
Sigh.
Gjoni did not *claim* that Zoe got a positive review in exchange for sex, at any point. He did not "later admit that didn't happen"; he later clarified that he never made such a claim, even though it was already perfectly obvious, to anyone who actually *read the blog post*, that he never made such a claim. He only claimed that the relationship happened, which is not in dispute (even Totilo's response cedes this).
Gjoni's blog post was not in any reasonable sense "a long attack screed", which again is obvious to anyone who actually read it. He did not at any point post the story to "the *chan boards"; he posted it on the Something Awful forums and Penny Arcade forums, and then moved it to a Wordpress blog after those posts were deleted. 4chan found the link on their own. It was ( http://theflounce.com/harassme... ) a recounting of gaslighting and emotional abuse that he suffered in that relationship, that I am 110% confident would have been taken seriously by you and everyone who thinks like you if the genders were reversed.
Some people, other than Gjoni, have erroneously claimed that such a review happened, because of a combination of it fitting the evidence / their mental models, and the natural corruption of rumors. What *did* happen is that Grayson painted an unusually positive picture of Quinn's involvement in the GAME_JAM debacle ( https://archive.today/qErD0 ), noting her as the creator of DQ in that article (at a point when neither she nor her game was notable), two days before joining her on a trip to Las Vegas; gave DQ top billing on a list of 50 newly greenlit games on Steam ( https://archive.today/iS4Ru ) - the only one to include a screenshot; and beta-tested DQ (his name is listed in the credits in the HTML source) without ever disclosing this fact in any of his coverage. Twitter search results confirm that he has at least known Quinn on a personal level since at least June of 2012 ( https://archive.today/j5DW0 ).
(More info: http://wiki.gamergate.me/index... )
As for criticism of Sarkeesian, if you think that's all the criticism amounts to, you are *seriously* delusional. The content of many games has been blatantly misrepresented; for example, she spoke about how Hitman:Absolution rewards and expects certain behaviour (shooting the strippers in a strip club in one particular mission), over top of footage that shows the player being *explicitly penalized* for it, and which LPers of the game overwhelmingly don't do. More to the point, she argues from a framework wherein any act of violence against a woman in a game is inherently evidence of misogyny and proof of encouragement of "violence against women", while literally orders of magnitude more violence against male characters in the same games is completely ignored. But you don't even have to look at the videos to criticize her for the fact that in spite of receiving over 25 times the funding she asked for on Kickstarter, she is halfway through a series that is now *over two years overdue* ( https://www.kickstarter.com/pr... ). There are also over 3,000 people to whom she owes "your name in the video credits".
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Re:To America? Yes. To the GOP? No.
Actually it's about equality.
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Re:You REALLY want to go down that road?
Actually there isn't evidence for the "gamergate is harassment" narrative. There IS evidence of the GNAA and other outside trolls going to the lengths of paying up to $20 for people to tweet while pretending to be part of gamergate, there IS evidence of the gamergate harassment patrol going to the lengths of tracking down the person behind much of Anita's harassment and even filing reports on him with the FBI, there ARE multiple statistical analyses empirically proving gamergate is NOT about harassment...
But there is absolutely no evidence for the conspiracy theory that tens of thousands of men, women, LGBT, and minority gamers from all over the world have banded together dedicated to the cause of driving women out of gaming by raising over $100,000 for charity... including $70,000 for feminists to get women INTO game development.
There is however a fuckton of evidence that a toxic clique of people with incestuous financial and personal ties are pushing a narrative defending themselves while rallying around someone multiple feminists have pointed out is blatantly a gaslighting domestic abuser.
Just like there's a fuckton of evidence for their vicous abusive behavior up to and including, like I said, a whole ton of doxings:
Because it's completely impossible to find out about serious criminal attacks like people getting sent dead animals without following each and every single person individually. Gotcha. If only there were websites where people talked about things that happened, all in one place.
Or even a website that lets you look for things elsewhere on the internet...
https://twitter.com/FartToCont...
https://twitter.com/GGfeminist...
https://twitter.com/ForemanEri...
https://twitter.com/milky_cand...
http://i.imgur.com/892hZ1A.png
https://twitter.com/FabioFacch...
https://twitter.com/CodeusaSof...
http://imgur.com/BNlLKcn (six people)
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https://twitter.com/Ash_Effect...
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Re:Not this shit again
It's certainly what they like to claim, yet they're mainly concerned with the massive corruption surrounding a little indie game that's free and not making anyone any money, while they're ignoring the very large scale corruption surrounding major publishers demanding positive reviews in exchange for money and review copies (Shadows of Mordor anyone?). I have addressed this with GamerGaters before, and they defended it, stating that Shadows of Mordor is objectively good, while Depression Quest is objectively bad. And that apparently makes one type of corruption okay, and the other type a really serious problem.
First off the Shadows of Mordor story was uncovered by gamergate. That's how woefully uninformed or just plain wrong you are about this, you're literally trying to condemn gamergate for not caring about the story that gamergate uncovered and reported on. Second your entire demand here boils down to "why isn't gamergate doing what journalists are supposed to be doing for them!". That's a self answering question.
And yet it's the women that keep getting attacked. Who even knows the names of the men involved? GamerGaters keep harping on about Zoe Quinn, despite her being supposedly irrelevant to what their cause is really supposed to be about.
There have been multiple statistical analyses plainly proving that the "attack" and "harassment" narratives are provably false. You can literally cut out every single mention of Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian, Feminist Frequency, and hell even Feminism itself and the metrics barely change.
And yet GamerGate started with attacks on women, and any woman that speaks up about GamerGate gets doxed (see Felicia Day), whereas men don't (Chris Kluwe, for example).
A domestic abuse victim posting about his abuse is not an "attack on women". Furthermore if you actually give a damn about women who speak up and get doxed for it how about the somewhere around 30 people (primarily women and minorities) that anti-gghave not only doxed and sent death/rape threats to but also gotten fired from their jobs, had their utilities turned off, income halted by fraudulent reports, bank accounts hacked, and even gotten syringes, knives, and dead animals in the mail?
If you care so much why don't you go after the people actually behind this, like the GNAA and somethingawful trolls that have repeatedly been proven to be false-flagging the hashtag and paying up to $20 per tweet to do it? People Zoe Quinn herself has been caught retweeting offers for false-flag tweets from?Hell literally just the other day yet another anti-gamergate user was caught posting doxx on 8chan and then trying to blame gamergate for it.
You're sending a very clear message here: You don't actually care about women at all, you only care about women that agree with you.
That is not exactly my experience with the ones I've tried to argue with. Every single one started with these exact same arguments, and every single one came up mostly with irrelevant arguments, ended up talking about Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian were killing their hobby, and when they ran out of arguments, slipped up with a dose of homophobic and misogynist slurs (which at least one of them then tried to cover up).
I haven't seen
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Re:Trolled by Soulskill
Mcvos the people criticising gamergate are rich white males screaming "house ni**er" at women, getting black men fired from their jobs, and sending people syringes, knives, and dead animals in the mail. Gamergate on the other hand is composed of tens of thousands (at minimum) of people from around the world, disproportionately women and https://i.imgur.com/BgY7IyD.pn...>minorities, who raised over $100,000 for charity... $70,000 of that for feminists to fund female game developers. Feminists which had been viciously attacked and had their attempts to help women shut down and blackballed by a racist transphobic domestic abuser and her mostly rich white male groupies.
P.s. the word "reactionary" is meaningless. Literally everything ever was a reaction to something else, it's a buzzword that sounds scary.
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Re:THings I've learned from Slashdot
That's because the article is full of shit. Leigh Alexander is an avowed racist that's repeatedly talked about how much she despises "hood rats" and "hood men", how she means even worse slurs than "hood" or "ghetto", and how she wants to smash glass bottles on black mens' faces for looking at her. In case you're not from the south a black man being attacked for "eyeballing" a woman is one of the oldest and longest running forms of racial violence. Remember Emmett Till?
Leigh's about as feminist as a snake oil salesman. She just uses the title because she knows anything she does will be, as intersectional feminist Philip Wythe puts it, "sanitized": http://theflounce.com/harassme...
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Re:If you want to cover Gamergate, do it honestly
First off he's not a raging asshole who got dumped, he is a domestic abuse victim that dumped his abuser. And that's according to the transgender feminist so Social Justicey they wanted to put trigger warnings in the Great Gatsby. Second if you want to talk about armies of sauron you should look at the racist, sexist, transphobic criminals you're siding with. The people so violent and sociopathic that women brave enough to build girls schools in pakistan are afraid of revenge attacks for being a "gender traitor".
Maybe you should try listening to intersectional feminists instead of cracked.
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Re:If you want to cover Gamergate, do it honestly
You should read this article by a transgender feminist if you believe that. And seriously? Citing cracked?
This is the sort of thing you're defending here:
https://twitter.com/GGfeminist...
https://twitter.com/milky_cand...
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https://twitter.com/FabioFacch...
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http://imgur.com/BNlLKcn
https://twitter.com/JakALope04...
https://twitter.com/tastenotou...
https://twitter.com/JaredBrick...
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Re:WHY are men trying to scare women away from gam
It's simple. How do you bully nerds and geeks and gamers if you're still busy pretending "geek is in"? You find an excuse everyone will approve of and nobody will dare question. http://theflounce.com/harassme...
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Re:More feminist bullshit
And the largest group of zealous, uncriticizable, "well intentioned" people being manipulated right now is... http://theflounce.com/harassme...
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Re:More feminist bullshit
Really? Then why is this transgender feminist basically the ONLY feminist publicly calling out the fact feminists have closed ranks to defend an outright domestic abuser? Where's that "by and large" you were just talking about? As Wythe writes the sanitization and apologia for abuse and bigotry in social justice is a staggering problem, women brave enough to build girls schools in pakistan are afraid of targetted revenge attacks for being a "gender traitor".
If anything you said were true there'd basically be people in the streets right now over the racism, sexism, and transphobia rampant in Social Justice circles and the deliberate targetted attacks against women and minorities speaking out against primarily affluent white social justice warriors.
The truth is you're the one packing straw to fabricate a moral panic. Jack Thompson got trolled like many prominent people do and nobody gave a fuck, hell most people mocked him. When it happens to a woman suddenly people like you consider this the end of the world.
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Re:More feminist bullshit
No, we just react differently even though we have evidence men are harassed more. When a man is harassed on the internet, even by his domestic abuser nobody gives a shit or they go after HIM. When a woman is harassed on the other hand it's the end of the world and a civil rights issue.
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Re:More feminist bullshit
You want to know what happens when a woman harasses a man? We already have a living example, Here's a transgender feminist explaining how that works out even when that woman is a domestic abuser who has the GNAA doing dirty work for her.