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Twitter Rolls Out New Anti-Abuse Tools

An anonymous reader writes: After facing criticism that it gives trolls and hatemongers a platform to intimidate people, Twitter has now rolled out a new set of tools and policies to handle abusive tweets. Previously, they only prohibited threats of violence that were "direct" and "specific," but now that's been expanded to all threats of violence or tweets promoting violence. They said, "Our previous policy was unduly narrow and limited our ability to act on certain kinds of threatening behavior." Twitter has also added non-permanent bans, as well as this: "[W]e have begun to test a product feature to help us identify suspected abusive Tweets and limit their reach. This feature takes into account a wide range of signals and context that frequently correlates with abuse including the age of the account itself, and the similarity of a Tweet to other content that our safety team has in the past independently determined to be abusive." Twitter's general counsel recently said, "Freedom of expression means little as our underlying philosophy if we continue to allow voices to be silenced because they are afraid to speak up. We need to do a better job combating abuse without chilling or silencing speech."

255 comments

  1. Wonderful. by B33rNinj4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This will be abused by SJWs so fast. I cannot wait to see the fireworks.

    1. Re:Wonderful. by thedonger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Spend any amount of time on Twitter and it is clear that "abuse" in forms other than malicious is rampant. For example, the guy with 17k followers who follows 18k people. His whole Twitter ring is a meaningless bunch of follows/followers/retweets designed to make people look (or feel) popular. In the end, it is just noise.

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    2. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Gamergate punks fuck off.

    3. Re:Wonderful. by StikyPad · · Score: 2

      Or "anti-abuse" trolls.

    4. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I predict quite the opposite, I think you're going to see a lot of SJWs getting hit with the ban stick who where getting away with being just as vitriolic as the people who they professed to be crusading against. Tho there are likely to still be fireworks :P

    5. Re:Wonderful. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This will be abused by SJWs so fast.

      Yeah, it's utterly unacceptable that people complain about rape and death threats. I have a good idea: we should spam their twitter feeds with MORE rape and death threats until they see the error of their ways.

      That will teach those SJWs a really good lesson!

      BTW: at this point SJW doesn't actually mean anything. It's just used as a "shit I hate on the internet" invective. There is no consistency in its use and people use it as a means of either rabble rousing or ad-homenim by trying to shut down a debate by flinging poo rather than actually engaging in a rational discussion.

      Like your post for example.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    6. Re:Wonderful. by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah because it's not like SJWs are the very people committing the overwhelming majority of abuse, screaming racial slurs at people, and have a history of real world crime and violence to back it up. It's not like they don't have a proven history of doxing so widespread and severe that sending a rape victim's information to a rapist isn't even surprising for them. It's not like their use of hate speech is so common, and so vitriolic, that they've invented new slurs to go with their threats of death and violence.

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      A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
    7. Re:Wonderful. by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Twitter's hypocrisy was eyeroll worthy before, but it's just outright silly now. They're trying to pander to the very group of people with a history of doxing, threats, and hate speech so vitriolic and pathological that they've had to invent new slurs to keep up with the sheer level of hate they're trying to convey.

      It's going to be interesting to see what mindbending excuses Twitter comes up with to continue allowing people like Randi Harper to stay unbanned despite publicly admitting to doxing and threatening to dox others, or Zoe Quinn after also doxing people, or Geordie Tait after his epic multi thousand word racist rant, or...

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      A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
    8. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      This will be abused by SJWs so fast. I cannot wait to see the fireworks.

      Oh man. You're going to have to find some other method of harassing those annoying SJWs that is still violent-threat-friendly. It's like the internet is over now!!!!

    9. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Parent is the only worthwhile post in this whole discussion so far, but it will be modded down because it's not politically fashionable around here. Too bad I don't have mod points to mod it up.

    10. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This will be abused by SJWs so fast. I cannot wait to see the fireworks.

      Oh man. You're going to have to find some other method of harassing those annoying SJWs that is still violent-threat-friendly. It's like the internet is over now!!!!

      You bastard, it is my God given right as a white male to harass anyone I fucking want to anywhere I want to!

    11. Re:Wonderful. by ctid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can't just state that as a bald fact, because the whole of the media is reporting the exact opposite. All you need to do is to cite some examples.

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    12. Re:Wonderful. by ctid · · Score: 1

      What makes you say that? Can you give examples or some reason for you to hold this view?

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      Reality is defined by the maddest person in the room
    13. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That'd be nice, but so far I haven't seen any evidence of SJW's getting banned en masse despite the provocative hate and vitriol that spews from them.

    14. Re:Wonderful. by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

      Rape and death threats were already banned (and are, in fact, illegal). This sounds way broader than that.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    15. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here, have a hankie to wipe away your salty tears, dear.

    16. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      SJW nazis fuck off! ...or whatever the politically correct terminology is for that anyway. Is "fuck" a too male-centric/testostero-aggressive word?

    17. Re:Wonderful. by dugancent · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Both sides can fuck off. Shut the hell up and go elsewhere.

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      SJWs are the new boogeyman. -Me
    18. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      If the "whole of media" lied about surviving having jumped off a cliff would you simply believe them?

      The truth is plainly obivous. The whole of media is lying about online harassment. Here's one such hit-piece where they spread their lies. In this one they selected an example post of what will not be tolerated -- violent hateful language -- the poster having been banned for it, and then the media said that this is the normal comment, even encouraged failing to mention that it will actually get you banned instead.

      Thanks to Noam Chomsky, and lately #GamerGate it's become blatantly obvious how corrupt the mainstream media is, especially when they are all willfully lying to cover for the truth: That they are lying and should not be trusted.

      Do a bit of fact checking and you see that the supposed rape threats against these SJWs are not from the groups or people that the MSM attributes them to, and even the FBI has chimed in, prompted by #GamerGate itself, saying their investors believed the "harassment" target was never in any serious danger. Where is the reporting on this in "the whole of media". Sorry, but it's been known since at least the 70's that the media is chock full of careful omissions, lies that further ideologies, and state propaganda.

      Here are your examples. Watch the video and weep, fool.

    19. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the shitlord whining begins already...

    20. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you meant to use 'shitlord' when you accidentally used "SJW'.

    21. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can't just state that as a bald fact, because the whole of the media is reporting the exact opposite. All you need to do is to cite some examples.

      Really, it's common knowledge. Here's a thread where we take hateful SJW statements and repurpose the meme the "whole of media" tried to dismiss our concerns over journalistic integrity with.

      Just because you're too brainwashed to click the link and look at reality doesn't mean everyone else is aware. IMO, what the GP posted is common knowledge in most places nowadays. Social Justice Whiners are hypocrites trying to feel self-important fighting for a "good cause" while they are just as racist and sexist as the fictitious social boogiemen they construct to fight.

    22. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On tumblr abuse reports are filed so heavily that if a blog is deleted there's virtually no recourse to it because of the huge backlog of requests, which is great if you want to create mayhem / ruin somebody's day

      Bait a blogger to reblog or otherwise post questionable content ("hate speech", etc, whatever) and then turn around and report their asses. Yahoo is so afraid of litigation they do this without warning and without oversight

      The scary ones are the real SJWs who go cruising through tags looking for people breaking their own special set of playground rules and begin the harassment, usually pulling in their own white knights to send many simultaneous violation requests that the blogger is unceremoniously punted from the service or just annoy somebody into the dirt.

      Twitter in general has been a much more easygoing place, but that's-a-changing

      And hey, I don't mind if some company doesn't want certain kinds of content in its playground anymore, that's fine, that just opens the door for other rival services who are less asinine for people to move to

    23. Re:Wonderful. by PoisOnouS · · Score: 1

      I think you could have simply left it as "There is not a credible news organization in the world..."

    24. Re:Wonderful. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      Yeah because it's not like SJWs are the very people committing the overwhelming majority of abuse,

      Dod you even read my post? A clue: no.

      There's no consistency even remotely in the use of the phrase "SJW". It's become the internet equivalent of "pedoterroristcommunist". People such as you just blurt it out randomly and attach it to all sorts of random shit.

      Inevitably this eventually results someone pointing the finger and yelling "peadophile" er I mean "SJW" to try to then assosciate the target with all the random shit you've associated them with.

      But whatever, I'll bite. Go ahead and actually give me what you personally believe the definition of "SJW" is.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    25. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's what the anti-SJW position is about.

    26. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like one of the right-wing crazies that are upset that they won't be allowed to spew hate at normal people anymore. There are a lot of crazy people that are on Twitter just to harrass anyone who isn't part of their various deranged cults.

    27. Re: Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Tea party: euphemism for extreme right.

      Social Justice Warrior: euphemism for extreme left.

    28. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      No one who uses the term "SJW" as an insult is qualified to judge others. Once you out yourself as one of the reactionary fools, no one but the other worse-than-useless dead-enders will to take anything you say seriously.

    29. Re:Wonderful. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Well, looks like you're right: I've already got a troll mod!

      It seems that anyone with a dissenting opinion on "SJW" that's not "EVIL BURN THE WITCH" is modded down as troll.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    30. Re:Wonderful. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Twitter's hypocrisy was eyeroll worthy before, but it's just outright silly now.

      I could be wrong, but I took your "SJW" comment to be a reference to those who abuse the "report for abuse" button.

      This is a real phenomenon. Twitter has a history of suspending people for reported abuse, when in fact the "offending" party hadn't abused anyone or anything at all. For some people, like modding "troll" rather than "disagree", it has become synonymous for "I don't like this person, so I'm going to do something nasty".

      To compound the problem further, Twitter doesn't tell the "offending" party what they did wrong. Occasionally -- not always by any means -- they will let people know what the "offending" Tweet was, but not specifically what was wrong with it or why anyone objected.

      Twitter could easily do that without revealing the name or names of the complainants. But insisting that people stop "abuse" when they don't even know WHAT people complained about, is completely unreasonable in an atmosphere of "report abuse because I don't agree".

    31. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, someone whining about "SJWs". Let me guess: you're a white guy who can't get laid, and it hurts your feelings when the mean ole feminists criticize your rape jokes.

      Grow up.

    32. Re:Wonderful. by epyT-R · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, thanks to gamergate, three women have chosen to treat the criticism they got for making stupid, shaming, hypocritical arguments at male gamers as threats. Those law enforcement officers are either hired guards, which is not quite the same thing as anyone can hire guards for whatever reason, or are there because the police submitted to the 'rapist around every corner' hysteria. Like usual, the morons running governments take the internet too seriously, probably because they don't understand it or because they look for any excuse to clamp down on discourse they don't like, just like SJWs. In fact, many of them probably are SJWs as well.

      Basically your entire post is argument from authority when it's the irrationality of its policies that's part of the problem. Also, try making an argument that doesn't involve calling people names. After all, you consider that abuse, right? Or is it only abuse when it's directed at a woman?

    33. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly, if we could only round up all white males, the world would be perfect. These white males are the root of the problem! Not unlike these loving and understanding non-white Muslim males from the Middle East.

    34. Re:Wonderful. by epyT-R · · Score: 0, Troll

      The SJWs are more often than not, the real doxers, shamers, and ragers, who want to shut down discourse and cry victim when they're criticized. It's just that we're supposed to see their behavior as 'empowerment' and critics' as bigotry. If society could put that political correctness aside, then it could actually look at the merits of each side's argument (if any exist) and come to rational conclusions. This is not what the current pop culture politic wants. It's not what drives people to the ballot box to vote for certain politicians.

      Making threats is often done when one's back is against the wall. Fifth columns that depict part of a community as oppressed by default when, in most cases, it's not, then demanding the rest must make 'reparations' by relinquishing power, can be just such a situation. The best way to fix this is to wipe out the 'affirmative action' mentality and reenforce policies promoting equal opportunity in it's true form: a meritocracy.

    35. Re:Wonderful. by ctid · · Score: 3, Informative

      Are you really suggesting that the three women who have mostly been targeted by gamergate actually made up the threats against them?

      Your "argument from authority" point means nothing, as I have no skin in the game. I'm simply pointing out that there is no benefit to someone screeching here that '"SJWs" are the worst people in the world', when gamergate and similar groups have comprehensively failed to have their case accepted anywhere. That's an argument from reality.

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      Reality is defined by the maddest person in the room
    36. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, thanks to gamergate, three women have chosen to treat the criticism they got for making stupid, shaming, hypocritical arguments at male gamers as threats

      This is a lie. You are a liar.

    37. Re:Wonderful. by ctid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This argument holds no water when gamergaters are so desperate to get the gg autoblocker banned.

      Making threats is often done when one's back is against the wall.

      This sounds very noble, but a huge number of these threats are threats to rape people. That doesn't sound like something that someone with their back against the wall would threaten.

      The best fix is to be able to conduct discourse only with people who don't threaten to rape or murder other people. I use the gg autoblocker, but I can understand why some people don't want to do that and I can also understand why Twitter would want to suspend/remove people like that from their service.

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      Reality is defined by the maddest person in the room
    38. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Twitter has a history of suspending people for reported abuse, when in fact the "offending" party hadn't abused anyone or anything at all.

      Such as?

    39. Re:Wonderful. by ctid · · Score: 1

      The scary ones are the real SJWs who go cruising through tags looking for people breaking their own special set of playground rules and begin the harassment, usually pulling in their own white knights to send many simultaneous violation requests that the blogger is unceremoniously punted from the service or just annoy somebody into the dirt.

      No doubt you can give examples of this behaviour? Just saying it doesn't make it true.

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      Reality is defined by the maddest person in the room
    40. Re:Wonderful. by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      This will be abused by SJWs so fast.

      Yeah, it's utterly unacceptable that people complain about rape and death threats. I have a good idea: we should spam their twitter feeds with MORE rape and death threats until they see the error of their ways.

      That will teach those SJWs a really good lesson!

      BTW: at this point SJW doesn't actually mean anything. It's just used as a "shit I hate on the internet" invective. There is no consistency in its use and people use it as a means of either rabble rousing or ad-homenim by trying to shut down a debate by flinging poo rather than actually engaging in a rational discussion.

      Like your post for example.

      SJW is a non-starter, as you say. However, when I was young I'd say some seriously nasty things to my best friend and he'd do the same to me - it was a running inside joke. Anyone looking in from the outside would think we were the most racist, sexist, awful human beings when in reality it was the absurdity of what we were saying that we thought was funny. The problem is with public tools like this that people can't tell the difference between something like that and something genuinely hurtful. I certainly wouldn't trust some poorly paid employee to be able to understand the nuances of a relationship, situation, regional language differences, etc.

    41. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with everything you said. It's a shame you're getting downvoted to hell. But this is Slashdot...

    42. Re:Wonderful. by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I read your post, it's actually ironic how astoundingly self-unaware it is. Or maybe it isn't and you're just being disingenuous on purpose. The usage of SJW has been incredibly consistent from day one, it's even right in the name. The way you SJWs use YOUR slurs on the other hand is a reflection of how you view the world: Everyone not with you is part of a borg-like collective malevolent Other. You all use everything from "MRA" to "Fuckboy", "Neckbeard", and "Pissbaby" fungibly.

      And now you do the same with Gamergate, which gets gamedropped pretty much everywhere and blamed for everything. Trip in the shower? Gamergate did it. Random trolls somewhere online? Must be Gamergate. Out of milk? Gamergate drank it.

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      A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
    43. Re:Wonderful. by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      That's exactly who I'm talking about. People who use twitter's report function as a weapon against anyone they dislike while openly committing outright doxing and screaming racial slurs and death threats themselves.

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      A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
    44. Re:Wonderful. by epyT-R · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, probably not, because anyone who says stupid shit to a large enough audience will probably also piss off a few crackpots in the mix. However, they did choose to hype their 'oppression' as much as possible. Hiring security guards to escort them everywhere over internet drama they themselves caused is a prime example. It's hard to sympathize with people who broadcast badly framed arguments meant to shame a whole population (in this case, male gamers) and then bitch when their bullshit gets thrown back in their faces.

      IIRC, women's suffrage (real suffrage, not this SJW bs) also encountered similar issues with non-acceptance by established authorities. Did that make their case invalid? No. Arguments from authority are fallacious. It's no better than saying "Those people are the boss, so therefore they're right."

    45. Re:Wonderful. by taustin · · Score: 1

      For values of "elsewhere" that start and end with "anywhere other than Twitter, like the pits of Hell."

      If you have something to say that can be said in 140 characters, you have nothing to say.

    46. Re:Wonderful. by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      The back-against-the-wall statement baffles me. Whose back is against the wall?

    47. Re:Wonderful. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      They're trying to pander to the very group of people with a history of doxing, threats, and hate speech so vitriolic and pathological that they've had to invent new slurs to keep up with the sheer level of hate they're trying to convey.

      You and a few others here keep making this claim but never provide any evidence of it. The most I have ever seen is an alleged "doxxing", except it wasn't a doxxing at all. Someone mentioned the already well known name of the person behind a particular Twitter account. No address, no phone number, no social media links, nothing else.

      Thanks to the 4chan IRC logs we know that this is the standard tactic of the GamerGate crowd. Accuse the "SJWs" of everything they themselves are actually doing, using a vast array of puppet accounts. The most damning thing is that if any of this were true you would be welcoming it, since you could effortlessly get all the SJWs banned from Twitter. Just go and report their old posts right now. In fact, if you link to a few right now I'll do it for you.

      Come on, I'm calling your bluff. Let's see your hand.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    48. Re:Wonderful. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I read your post, it's actually ironic how astoundingly self-unaware it is. Or maybe it isn't and you're just being disingenuous on purpose. The usage of SJW has been incredibly consistent from day one

      No it hasn't.

      The usage of SJW has been incredibly consistent from day one, it's even right in the name

      That's crap. Social Justice Warrior == someone who fights for social justice. Was Dr Martin Luther King Jr an SJW? Because if we go with your "it's defined by the words" definition, then yes.

      . The way you SJWs use YOUR slurs on the other hand is a reflection of how you view the world: Everyone not with you is part of a borg-like collective malevolent Other.

      Ah, so today is "make shit up" day. I see. So, basically an SJW is someone you make shit up about then hate with the fury of a thousand suns?

      You all use everything from "MRA" to "Fuckboy", "Neckbeard", and "Pissbaby" fungibly.

      lolwut? Fuckboy? Pissbaby? This post is literally the first time I have ever heard those two particular insults.

      And now you do the same with Gamergate

      Do the same what? Use insults I've never even heard before? Why you're nothing more than a clownboating noodleflip with a sporghat! You oinkfeather!

      which gets gamedropped pretty much everywhere and blamed for everything.

      Gamedropped? Is this a post where you make up as many words as possible?

      OK, so in your attempt to sefine what an SJW is, so far you've gone on an extended rant, made up a bunch of stuff and made up a bunch of words. That's nice.

      Perhaps you would like to have another go at defining "SJW" in words that actually make some degree of sense, you sporkfloop.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    49. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      I'm a male gamer and I didn't feel shamed.

      But maybe that's because I can fucking comprehend complex concepts that aren't just black and white, rather than freak out at tl;dr headlines.

      The only thing I feel shame about is the protracted temper tantrum that is GamerGate.

    50. Re:Wonderful. by jlddodger · · Score: 1

      I read your post, it's actually ironic how astoundingly self-unaware it is.

      Of course it is self-unaware. Did you expect his post to be self-aware? Perhaps you meant to post in this other topic (since your reply makes about as much sense there):
      http://science.slashdot.org/st...

    51. Re:Wonderful. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Links? Claims like that need proof, not least so that it can be handed over to the FBI. You know they have an active investigation into GamerGate and particularly the harassment of women like Quinn and Sarkeesian, right? If what you say is true I'm sure they would be very interested in this information, backed up by proper evidence of course.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    52. Re:Wonderful. by ArylAkamov · · Score: 2

      Pretty much hit the nail on the head.

      The first (And last) time I used twitter was to debate someone stating that my opinion didn't matter because I'm white (They assume) and that nobody can ever be racist towards white people.

      I tried to have a civilized debate but a number of people simply retweeted my account and asked their followers (Numbering in the hundreds) to report my account (No reason given). When I replied to ask why they wanted people to report me, I was reported for "unsolicited replies".

      If I can't have a civilized debate without being banned for unpopular opinions, what's the point of using the service? Seems like a mighty big echo chamber/hugbox.

    53. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You and a few others here keep making this claim but never provide any evidence of it.

      You're on Slashdot. Lern2Google.

      The most I have ever seen is an alleged "doxxing", except it wasn't a doxxing at all.

      The second rule of whining for evidence is: lern2google.

      Thanks to the 4chan IRC logs we know that this is the standard tactic of the GamerGate crowd.

      Right. And thanks to 4chan /b/ posts, we know ebaums did it.

      Accuse the "SJWs" of everything they themselves are actually doing

      Pretty sure the GamerGate crowd isn't trading sex for game reviews.

      using a vast array of puppet accounts.

      Yeah, no - that's the hallmark of the , "But, but, misogyny!" gaming industry females who forget to log out of their own Steam accounts before posting sexist rants to their own games.

      The most damning thing is that if any of this were true you would be welcoming it, since you could effortlessly get all the SJWs banned from Twitter.

      Really? Tell me how seriously Twitter will take evidence from statements/etc. that happened outside their system.

      Just go and report their old posts right now.

      Right. You don't want to answer that.

      Come on, I'm calling your bluff.

      WoooOOooOooo, nobody gives a shit.

    54. Re:Wonderful. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've seen most of Sarkeesian's output. She doesn't "shame" male gamers, or claim oppression. Her arguments, even if you disagree with them, are unquestionably well constructed and complex.

      On the other hand, we have your rant, full of unsubstantiated claims and a bit of victim blaming. Why not try addressing some of her points directly?

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    55. Re:Wonderful. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      The fact that GamerGate hates Social Justice Warriors so much illustrates what it is really about. It's about being upset when people criticise video games and gamer culture. It's like someone came onto your server and pwned you, and now you are lashing out in retaliation. Problem is they are better than you, they came with detailed arguments presented clearly in accessible video format, without any screaming or ranting or profanity. So now you turn it into a game, because games are what you are good at.

      But hay, don't take my word for it. Here are the IRC chat lots from GamerGate's core. They published them themselves in an attempt to docdump, hoping no-one would find all the bad stuff. Unfortunately for them, people can grep:

      https://storify.com/strictmach...
      http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/...
      http://arstechnica.com/gaming/...

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    56. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4chan does not constitute of everyone who plays video games. You're talking about like 50 people out of millions.

    57. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "4chan logs"

      Again with the logs... 4chan is not the entire gaming population. You're complaining about a minor few compared to millions.

    58. Re:Wonderful. by SirLordGodfrey · · Score: 1

      Her arguments about female protagonists/antagonists/anti-heroes/whatever basically amount to - "If they're not a Mary Sue and capable of always winning, it's sexism, or even, MISOGYNY!!"

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    59. Re:Wonderful. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      Put up or shut up. In other words show me an example of that. Not only are her videos freely available, but textual transcripts are too.

      So point me to a place in the textual transcript where she says that, admit you a e talking crap or stay silent and admit defeat.

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    60. Re:Wonderful. by ctid · · Score: 1

      Can you point to this incident on twitter?

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    61. Re:Wonderful. by ctid · · Score: 1

      No doubt you can link us to these people. I'm sure many people here would be interested to see some examples.

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    62. Re:Wonderful. by ctid · · Score: 1

      The way you talk to your best friend is not the same as the way you talk to strangers on the internet. Nobody cares what you say to your friends, apart from you and them. Twitter feels that it needs to take a specific and direct interest in the invective directed at some of its users. This is a different thing altogether.

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    63. Re:Wonderful. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, you seem to be one of the crowd that accuse Zoe Quinn of everything that was actually done to her to presumably destract from everything that WAS done to her.

      What on earth do you have against her? And did you base that on things 4channers posted to the internet? Are your standards for evidence always so low?

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    64. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "SJW", much like "sheeple" never really meant anything, it's just a phrase lesser minds use to make themselves sound intelligent in the absence of a real argument.

    65. Re:Wonderful. by SirLordGodfrey · · Score: 1

      A real civil rights activist would, for example, fight for a wheelchair access ramp to be put in ALL government buildings and even in the building codes for apartments/businesses, etc.

      A "social justice warrior" would fight for the stairs to be removed as well, in order to not offend the physically handicapped.

      Social justice warriors also readily equate themselves to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, Rosa Parks, etc, disgustingly.

      They are SOCIOPATHIC IDEOLOGUES, CHARLATANS, and simple damned MORAL PANICKERS! Before it was about pedophilia in daycares and going on a witchhunt there, before that it was communism, nowadays they've multiple tools to go on witchhunts and readily take offense at everything and then dogpile the offender without hearing THEIR side of the story, no matter their sex/gender.

      You think "Shirtgate", for example, was a well-thought out criticism? All over stupid pinup art of women on some guy's shirt? What about calling every single "supposed female and minority" supporting Gamergate a mere "sockpuppet" or even stooping so low as to call them "house niggers"?

      Gamergate supporters, and I'd say the bystanders of this verbal conflict as well, just want to game no matter what their skin color, gender/sex, sexual orientation, etc, is. They are TIRED of people like Anita Sarkeesian saying that most games are misogynistic simply because a female character can fail and not somehow overcome ANY situation, no matter the odds (Example: Sarah Kerrigan from StarCraft 1/Brood War/StarCraft 2 Wings of Liberty/Heart of the Swarm - left to die by a sociopath that doesn't like underlings questioning orders, especially underlings that are also powerful psionic (think the Force but more volatile) assassins, her and her ragtag army, after defeating a huge alien force were left to die at the hands of a swarm of zerg aliens, the size of which anyone would have died to. But no, because she failed, she's now a "damsel-in-distress"). She wants all female characters to be superpowered Mary Sues with plot armor thicker than white dwarf stars are dense.

      If they are the cure to what they claim is endemic to gaming, then they aren't even on the same beneficial level as chemotherapy - they're just hydrogen bombs trying to eradicate all individuality in gaming, comics, etc, whichever medium they switch to, in terms of story, the gamers themselves, game mechanics, etc etc.

       

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    66. Re:Wonderful. by ctid · · Score: 1

      I think that person's argument is that gamers are being oppressed by Anita Sarkeesian's well-written and argued videos.

      Or some such drivel.

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    67. Re:Wonderful. by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      Was Dr Martin Luther King Jr an SJW?

      I'm going to go out on a limb and say that while MLK was all about social justice, he wouldn't have been happy to be called a "warrior".

      The term is well-known. Saith the wik,

      In internet culture, the term has been used as a pejorative for someone campaigning against things they perceive to be instances of racism, sexism, homophobia or other social injustice. Frequently initialized as "SJW", it is used to accuse opponents of sanctimony, to insinuate pretense, as a pejorative, and as a general shorthand for a person believed to be overreacting to social issues. Although most commonly used to cast negative implications, some have attempted to reappropriate the term as a neutral or positive source of identity.

      I'm all for social justice myself. But the fact that someone is arguing for social justice doesn't mean they have their facts or their reasoning straight. Heck, the fact that someone thinks they're arguing for social justice doesn't mean they are actually arguing for social justice, as opposed to riding a self-righteousness high.

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    68. Re:Wonderful. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      A "social justice warrior" would fight for the stairs to be removed as well, in order to not offend the physically handicapped.

      [citation needed]

      IOW you're making random shit up.

      Social justice warriors also readily equate themselves to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, Rosa Parks, etc, disgustingly.

      I was going on the anti-SJW grandparent's definition. If you don't like it then apparently you disagree with his definition. That pretty much supports my point.

      They are SOCIOPATHIC IDEOLOGUES, CHARLATANS, and simple damned MORAL PANICKERS! Before it was about pedophilia in daycares and going on a witchhunt there, before that it was communism, nowadays they've multiple tools to go on witchhunts and readily take offense at everything and then dogpile the offender without hearing THEIR side of the story, no matter their sex/gender.

      Wow so they really are the pedoterroristcommunists of the internet! So an SJW is someone responsible for all the evils of the last 50 years? Is that your definition?

      What about calling every single "supposed female and minority" supporting Gamergate a mere "sockpuppet" or even stooping so low as to call them "house niggers"?

      OOOkay, now you're just making up the most insane shit you can think of and attributing it to an evil bogeyman called "SJW". Do you even hear yourself?

      They are TIRED of people like Anita Sarkeesian saying that most games are misogynistic simply because a female character can fail and not somehow overcome ANY situation, no matter the odds

      Well then they're total morons because they're tired of something that never happened.

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    69. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks to the 4chan IRC logs we know that this is the standard tactic of the GamerGate crowd. Accuse the "SJWs" of everything they themselves are actually doing, using a vast array of puppet accounts. The most damning thing is that if any of this were true you would be welcoming it, since you could effortlessly get all the SJWs banned from Twitter. Just go and report their old posts right now. In fact, if you link to a few right now I'll do it for you.

      Come on, I'm calling your bluff. Let's see your hand.

      Gamergate actually tracked down an alleged harasser of Zoe Quinn and gave the information to her and the FBI, imploring them to investigate alleged harassment of both Quinn and Brianna Wu. Gamergate is not a harassment campaign, and it's not a small group of "cis white male nerds" with a ton of sock-puppet accounts. Look up #NotYourShield. Again, you claim to require evidence for your beliefs but do not require any evidence for the sock-puppet claims while ignoring any evidence to the contrary. Just as you have said, there's been no evidence that gamergate has harassed or "doxed" anyone either. There's also PLENTY of evidence in the twitter streams of various SJWs, indeed here's a thread whereby gamergate screencapped hateful shit SJWs say and made it into a meme: "Actually it's about equality." Checkout reddit's TumblrInAction for more SJW hypocrisy, or just search the phrase. (gee, it's like you're willfully ignorant, like you have some ulterior motive other than representing reality)

      Even the articles written by SJW journalists provide copious amounts of evidence that these SJW journalists are (sometimes literally) in-bed with developers, and not disclosing their personal relationships. So, if the evidence is out there why aren't mainstream news sources covering gamergate as anything but a harassment campaign? (gee, it's like they're willfully ignorant, like they have some ulterior motive other than representing reality). Recently we've become aware that the GDC / IGDA awards have been essentially rigged, the judges don't play the games they downvote, and frequent judges vote on games except in years they submit a game, and then those games win awards as they're judged by their friends. Meanwhile the little guy who created equal or better quality content is bilked for his $100 entry fee without ever having a chance of winning, as it will be the clique-made SJW pandering walking simulator that win awards.

      So, what's the deal? We have tons of evidence that you refuse to look at, with more happenings almost every day. We even have alternative and neutral game journalists we're supporting, as well as charities which we fund (even ones to help get girls into gamedev)... But no, it's somehow all just hateful troll sockpuppets who hate women so much that they sponsor a female only gamejam? The cognitive dissonance hurts, I get it. You don't want to believe that the media is colluding to push a narrative, but we have proof that's sadly what is happening.

      In case you haven't noticed the average slashdaughter knows the SJW jig is up. That divide and conquer bullshit is just a tool by the media and state to control the populace. Re-evaluate your world view, because it's not based in reality -- it's based in unevidenced ideology, outright lies, and propaganda. Women's rights needs a divorce from Feminism. There never was a pay gap, not since at least the 70's.

    70. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you combine all things that she deems unacceptable in her videos then all things are unacceptable. There is no way to create a character that Anita deems acceptable if her "tropes" are combined. This leaves only one avenue to have characters that are met her approval: her individual judgment granting you an exception for some arbitrary reason. The reason her videos are bullshit is precisely that: it's the most long-winded way imaginable to say "all things are oppression of women unless I say so. 'Donate' to me through one of these many avenues (whisper whisper...and I'll endorse something of yours as being not sexist by my moral authority whisper whisper!)" Too bad Anita's endorsement doesn't actually sell more games. Cue the dismissal from the radical Internet feminazi peanut gallery in 3, 2, 1...

    71. Re:Wonderful. by SirLordGodfrey · · Score: 1

      "Wow so they really are the pedoterroristcommunists of the internet! So an SJW is someone responsible for all the evils of the last 50 years? Is that your definition?"

      No, they were the ones who ENGAGED IN WITCHHUNTS for those bogeymen. But it's not as in vogue these days to hunt for any of those unless you're with the govt.

      "OOOkay, now you're just making up the most insane shit you can think of and attributing it to an evil bogeyman called 'SJW'. Do you even hear yourself?"

      Do you? Example One of accusations against users of #notyourshield

      Second example

      Example 1 Tweet from an "Anti-Gamergater" individual

      Example 2 Tweet from an "Anti-Gamergater" individual

      Example 3 Tweet from an "Anti-Gamergater" individual

      As for your last point, What I was talking about involving StarCraft

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    72. Re:Wonderful. by SirLordGodfrey · · Score: 1

      Addendum, a decent source for a lot of the going-ons of gamergate and anti-gamergate,

      Gamergate Gitgud repository

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    73. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spend any amount of time on Twitter and it is clear that "abuse" in forms other than malicious is rampant. For example, the guy with 17k followers who follows 18k people. His whole Twitter ring is a meaningless bunch of follows/followers/retweets designed to make people look (or feel) popular. In the end, it is just noise.

      Unless I missed something, that was pretty much a synopsis of the Twitter business plan.

    74. Re:Wonderful. by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      "Never provide evidence"... It's amazing how often you, poperatzo, serviscope, and whatever hangers on show up make that claim despite the fact that you are constantly inundated with proof. I know I've personally posted at least a good 20 direct links to primary sources before talking with you about this subject.

      The entire point is that despite reporting people like Randi Harper doxing, or running hate campaigns that actually DO literally drive women off the internet, they keep getting away with it. Hell anti-gamergate doxers even go on to claim they're starting organizations fighting against doxing... the very tool they employ to terrorize their enemies.

      Meanwhile all those things you keep accusing gamergate of? Guess who's literally paying people to do them. The irony of the sheer amount of puppetry and false-flagging anti-gamergate is doing as you try to accuse tens to hundreds of thousands of people of being "sockpuppets" is astounding.

      Or rather it would be if that accusaion of "sockpuppet" wasn't overwhelmingly used as a tool to harass non-whites:
      https://twitter.com/tratowzolo...
      http://i.imgur.com/u8835lH.png
      https://twitter.com/BooneGroow...
      http://i.picpar.com/mOcb.jpg http://i.picpar.com/lbdb.jpg
      http://i.imgur.com/xeSqkdL.jpg

      You're not calling anyone's bluff. You're just screaming "You have no proof" despite the fact I've already personally given you proof repeatedly.

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    75. Re:Wonderful. by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      See my reply to Animojo.

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    76. Re:Wonderful. by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      You're citing david futrelle REALLY? A man so despicable that he's publicly said he doesn't believe it's rape when a woman rapes a man, so disgusting in his views that feminists have publicly sided with MRAs against him before? A liar so pathological he took a quote and attributed it to the person using the quote to say anyone repeating similar things would be banned?

      By the way about your supposedly damning IRC logs. As you can see your arguments fall apart even before considering you're making claims based on edited copies.

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    77. Re:Wonderful. by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      See my reply to AniMojo, and some of the other replies to them.

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    78. Re:Wonderful. by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 0

      You mean aside from the fact she's a perjuring pathologically lying domestic abuser who works with racist GNAA trolls?

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    79. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Never provide evidence"... It's amazing how often you, poperatzo, serviscope, and whatever hangers on show up make that claim despite the fact that you are constantly inundated with proof. I know I've personally posted at least a good 20 direct links to primary sources before talking with you about this subject.

      The entire point is that despite reporting people like Randi Harper doxing, or running hate campaigns that actually DO literally drive women off the internet, they keep getting away with it. Hell anti-gamergate doxers even go on to claim they're starting organizations fighting against doxing... the very tool they employ to terrorize their enemies.

      Meanwhile all those things you keep accusing gamergate of? Guess who's literally paying people to do them. The irony of the sheer amount of puppetry and false-flagging anti-gamergate is doing as you try to accuse tens to hundreds of thousands of people of being "sockpuppets" is astounding.

      Or rather it would be if that accusaion of "sockpuppet" wasn't overwhelmingly used as a tool to harass non-whites:
      https://twitter.com/tratowzolo...
      http://i.imgur.com/u8835lH.png
      https://twitter.com/BooneGroow...
      http://i.picpar.com/mOcb.jpg http://i.picpar.com/lbdb.jpg
      http://i.imgur.com/xeSqkdL.jpg

      You're not calling anyone's bluff. You're just screaming "You have no proof" despite the fact I've already personally given you proof repeatedly.

      I find this all quite amusing, I'm really missing out not having a Twitter account. The internet is so serious. Have these people ever been outdoors?

    80. Re:Wonderful. by dugancent · · Score: 1

      If you have something to say that can be said in 140 characters, you have nothing to say.

      Hear hear.

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    81. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Telling social justice warriors to shut the fuck up because they can't equate looking at a carton supermodel heroine to bestiality (because the cartoon superheroine does not have "agency") or because they cannot act to boost their freedom of speech by censoring opponents, such as idiots on campus shouting down invited guests, is already ground for making a social justice warrior go in cahoots about your harassment.

      Anita Sarkeesian (the one who used to do videos for helping nerds to pick up girls like they were, you know, objects) actually posted 100 tweets from idiots form the 10000 they mention her in a fucking single day and went crying about the abusive masses so that Obama could tell the twitter ceo to ban people.

      So I can tell you to enjoy living in your bubble?

      You are making the internet worse for the rest of us by making people who care about social values look like lunatics that have to be corraled and put in a position to not do any harm to the collectivity. And right now you are either a smug asshole who is grinning about the society going to poo or you are too blint to see that you are shitting in your own house.

    82. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The great thing about twitter is that you can post to it from anywhere -- even outdoors -- just by sending a text message from a cell phone. The shitty thing about twitter is ... well ... everything.

    83. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. SJWs are people whose entire identity centers around identity politics and chest-thumping over how much they care and how little you do, while often hypocritically engaging in the things they're complaining about. SJWs are a wide-spread, but very specific group of people. Don't assume that because you apply the label to everyone who does shit you hate that it's how the rest of us properly apply the label.

    84. Re:Wonderful. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This is what I mean. You have a bunch of shitty images that are totally unverifiable. On the other hand we have the IRC logs that GamerGate themselves released where they discuss manufacturing all this "evidence" you are presenting. Sock puppet accounts, false flag ops, doxxing and producing images to make out it was all other people. It's all right there, direct from the people doing it as they organize on IRC.

      Evidence is stuff like police reports. Put your money where your mouth is and file some. The only reason not to is that you are worried the police will be upset over false reports, or look into them and discover the truth when the victims produce their IRC logs.

      Evidence must be verifiable, otherwise it's worthless.

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    85. Re:Wonderful. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      No, they were the ones who ENGAGED IN WITCHHUNTS for those bogeymen. But it's not as in vogue these days to hunt for any of those unless you're with the govt.

      OK, I'l bite. Again!

      Go ahead and actually *DEFINE* SJW, since that's what this subthread is about.

      So far all you've done is point to a bunch of ransdom shit and gone "waah waah the pedoterrorists er SJWs!"

      So according to you the SJW is literally anyone who says anything against a gamergater no matter how racist (verified by tumblr gifs of, naturally). That's an awfully specific definition.

      As for the last thing. I love how you said "people like Anita Sarkeesian" and then posted a link to someone completely different. So... gamergaters hate Anita Sarkeesian because of stuff other people on the internet say? That totally makes so much sense.

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    86. Re:Wonderful. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      The perjery thing is a massive stretch. There's no actualevidence of perjery.

      As for the other stuff, why would I believe a word he said? His allegations about her sleeping around for good game reviews were actually proven false. Since he posted a hate-filled rant demonstrably full of lies are you really expecting me to ignore the ones proven to be lies beyond reasonable doubt and then simply accept his word as a really great guy that the other accusations are true?

      AND BESIDES

      Even if Zoe Quinn is a dick IRL, then that still does not excuse the levelling of false accusations to cover up the really nasty stuff her accusers have also done. Remember how two wrongs don't make a right?

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    87. Re:Wonderful. by russotto · · Score: 1

      It seems that anyone with a dissenting opinion on "SJW" that's not "EVIL BURN THE WITCH" is modded down as troll.

      You're neither the Devil nor Keyser Soze; you can't pull the trick of convincing everyone else you don't exist.

    88. Re:Wonderful. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Eh well, my post was sitting on +2 Flaimbait, which is the best I've done since slashdot changed the moderation system years back to prevent the awesome +5 Troll posts.

      So far my post has wandered between -1 and +5. It seems to have stabilised on +3.

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    89. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well-written and argued videos

      lol

    90. Re:Wonderful. by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, you seem to be one of the crowd that accuse Zoe Quinn of everything that was actually done to her to presumably destract from everything that WAS done to her.

      What on earth do you have against her? And did you base that on things 4channers posted to the internet? Are your standards for evidence always so low?

      Things might be going easier for gamers-are-stoopid movement had they chosen someone other than a non-technical sociopath, lying domestic abuser as a rally point.

      IOW, I'm not surprised that she turned out to be a poor champion for the feminist cause. Surely there must be *some* gifted female game dev who would have made a better champion for the cause - the ZQ scandal backfired horribly; it has caused more real change in gaming journalism in six months than we saw in the last decade and a half AND caused a much more critical eye to be turned on females in the gaming industry.

      Honestly, feminism needs a less insane public face.

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    91. Re:Wonderful. by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      This is what I mean. You have a bunch of shitty images that are totally unverifiable. On the other hand we have the IRC logs that GamerGate themselves released

      Wait, what? What makes your binary files more verifiable than his binary files? Do you have a LEO-enforced and court-verified trail of evidence that he does not? Your evidence does not automatically trump his.

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    92. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what I mean. You have a bunch of shitty images that are totally unverifiable.

      Deja vu. This is like when Anita posted shitty images of misogynist tweets, and GameGaters were clamoring to post conspiracy theories on how those images were doctored or she posted that tweet herself on sockpuppet accounts.

      On the other hand we have the IRC logs that GamerGate themselves released where they discuss manufacturing all this "evidence" you are presenting. Sock puppet accounts, false flag ops, doxxing and producing images to make out it was all other people. It's all right there, direct from the people doing it as they organize on IRC.

      If you can create a sockpuppet account for false flag tweets and other stuff, what's stopping you from creating a sockpuppet accounts for IRC to make false flag chat logs? The problem with conspiracy theories is you can always, as Leo DiCaprio said, go deeper.

      But let's suppose you're right that the IRC logs is damning proof of guilt. Which is why after months of FBI investigation, that half a dozen or so GamerGaters behind everything has went into hiding (sadly, I haven't heard of any arrests or charges laid), the leaderless GG movement has dissipated, and all the women are safer for it! Oh wait. Just a couple weeks ago I've been told that GamerGate is still around, helping Sad Puppies ruin the Hugos!

      Evidence is stuff like police reports. Put your money where your mouth is and file some.

      Dude, a police report is just as its name implies: a report regarding police involvement. Sometimes police involvement is simply a cop being told something, so he wrote a report saying what he was told. That isn't evidence that what he was told is true. It's just evidence that he was told something.

      Evidence that would be grounds for charges comes from police investigate itself, which a police report may report about, but the report itself isn't evidence of crime, let alone guilt.

      Guilt is determined later in the court of law, if the police ever think they got evidence to lay charges.

      And this is for criminal stuff. Whether people take each other to civil court is up to individuals, which I say it's the feminists who need to put their money where their mouth is. If they know the individuals, they should sue them for damages, anywhere from libel and slander to psychological harm to restraining orders. Got the Anita way and profit the shit out of it (i.e make shitty pics of misogynist tweets to get more donations to your kickstarter). When life gives you lemons, make lemonade.

      Evidence must be verifiable, otherwise it's worthless.

      Deja vu again. This is what so many Anita haters have said about the things Anita or other feminists say. I think her response to those haters is appropriate here: LISTEN AND BELIEVE. If you're being called a GamerGate, you're probably doing something right!

    93. Re:Wonderful. by thedonger · · Score: 1

      Spend any amount of time on Twitter and it is clear that "abuse" in forms other than malicious is rampant. For example, the guy with 17k followers who follows 18k people. His whole Twitter ring is a meaningless bunch of follows/followers/retweets designed to make people look (or feel) popular. In the end, it is just noise.

      Unless I missed something, that was pretty much a synopsis of the Twitter business plan.

      I think they thought it would be neat for people to be able to let others know they were pooping and whatnot. But then people with lots of followers started making money off of the resulting notoriety, and suddenly a cottage industry of allegedly helping people make money off it sprang up.

      I've seen Twitter accounts that do nothing more than re-tweet. I don't get it.

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    94. Re:Wonderful. by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      Just checked and apparently my account profile is still on there, but with zero tweets.

    95. Re:Wonderful. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Incerdible!

      I love how demanding evidence for wild claims is enough for a down mod, when the target of such reasonable demands is a gamergater.

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    96. Re:Wonderful. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The IRC logs are verifiable. They are plain text and were captured and published by two independent sources on opposite sides of the argument. Quinn published the logs she captured, and then GamerGate published their own (slightly more complete) copy of the same time period. They match perfectly, neither side is disputing their authenticity.

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    97. Re:Wonderful. by russotto · · Score: 2

      You asked for a direct quote supporting a summary of her total position, which is unreasonable. She never comes out and says that there isn't any female character which could fit her standards; she merely has a whole set of objections which cover the universe of conceivable female characters.

    98. Re:Wonderful. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You asked for a direct quote supporting a summary of her total position, which is unreasonable. She never comes out and says that there isn't any female character which could fit her standards; she merely has a whole set of objections which cover the universe of conceivable female characters.

      So, in other words there's absoloutely no evidence but you're going to keep making the same claims regardless. And you lot wonder why the press doesn't take gamergaters seriously...

      Must be a conspiracy!

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    99. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, in other words there's absoloutely no evidence but you're going to keep making the same claims regardless.

      The evidence is the entirety of Anita's work, just like how Anita's claims about video games is in the entirety of video game works. Video games don't outright say they are misogynist or have tropes against women either. Anita analyzes the games and makes her claims from her analysis

      Likewise, a claim about Anita's message is an analysis on her body of works. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

      And you lot wonder why the press doesn't take gamergaters seriously...

      Actually, the press did did take gamergaters seriously. Several media sites have reviewed (including Kotaku, where one of its writers was involved in the original Quinn scandal) their policies regarding journalism and ethics.

    100. Re:Wonderful. by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      The IRC logs are verifiable. They are plain text and were captured and published by two independent sources on opposite sides of the argument

      So, two blokes on the internet who agree is "verified", while one bloke is not? I'm afraid I don't really see a difference in the verification of the two claims - they're both as unverified as you can get.

      They match perfectly, neither side is disputing their authenticity.

      And ZQ is not disputing being a rapist and domestic abuser. Doesn't mean she is, just like it doesn't mean those things are any more or less "verified" than screendumps. After all, from what I can tell, the subject of those screendumps aren't disputing the authenticity either.

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    101. Re:Wonderful. by B33rNinj4 · · Score: 1

      The SJW acronym still has meaning. I think we can both agree that legitimate death and rape threats are unacceptable. That being said, people who could be considered social justice warriors are tremendously quick to flip out over any perceived threat to their personal narrative. They use underhanded, mob-like tactics to force their distorted definition of life on everyone else.

    102. Re:Wonderful. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      A "social justice warrior" would fight for the stairs to be removed as well, in order to not offend the physically handicapped.

      This is true in the same way that "A unicorn has one horn, and has an unusual reaction to virgins" is true. For it to be actually meaningful, you'd have to find somebody who fought to have stairs removed for the reason you cite, and then we would have an actual physical referent for your definition.

      Personally, I've never heard of anyone waging such a battle, and I'd be interested in seeing an example.

      You do realize that all unicorns are Swedenborgians, right? Since there are no unicorns, we can say anything about "all unicorns". The same applies to "SJW"s unless you can show us one.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    103. Re:Wonderful. by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 1

      For values of "elsewhere" that start and end with "anywhere other than Twitter, like the pits of Hell."

      If you have something to say that can be said in 140 characters, you have nothing to say.

      I beg to differ: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

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    104. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      n the other hand we have the IRC logs that GamerGate themselves released where they discuss manufacturing all this "evidence" you are presenting. Sock puppet accounts, false flag ops, doxxing and producing images to make out it was all other people. It's all right there, direct from the people doing it as they organize on IRC.

      You're BULLSHITTING. This is BULLSHIT. And you know it.

      Quinn spent a week lurking to cherry pick 2-dozen lines of "damming" logs, which amount to one instance of Rouge-get-this-hothead-out-of-here-Star asking about hacking emails. OY VEY!! It's a Conspiracy I tell yah!

      You've spun this up into a conspiracy theory about the internet's largest spontaneous consumer revolt being a sockpuppet campaign by two dozen or so polacks. You're either insane or a fucking liar. Present the fucking logs where this happens bitch. Show me the fucking lines. Because you're full of shit. Eight months in and this is still going on. When are you finally going to admit you're media smear campaign is pack of transparent lies..

      I'm tired of you conservative fascists shitting all over video games, shitting all over gamers, and shitting up this site with your piles of steaming bullshit. You are the cancer that is killing the internet. Come the internet-surveillance bills, you will be on the ramparts, shoulder to shoulder with evangelicals, shooting these rest of us in the head.

    105. Re:Wonderful. by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      First off not only is there actual evidence, it's objectively a fact that she perjured herself.

      Second what happened to "listen and believe" with victims of abuse? The "reviews" thing is a semantic straw man invented by people defending her. It's been repeatedly proven that she did in fact receive positive coverage from Grayson, preferential treatment from Arnott, and that's not even counting the obscene double standard of everyone leaping to defend a domestic abuser.

      The only person throwing around false allegations is Zoe Quinn herself, as per the evidence provided by Nasrallah, the wizardchan hate campaign, and her working with the GNAA to pay people to astroturf.

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    106. Re:Wonderful. by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      So by your own standards you must throw out virtually every claim of harassment and victimhood.

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      A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
    107. Re:Wonderful. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      The problem is precisely that often nobody knows who they are. THEY get protected, but the people they abuse do not.

    108. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Her arguments are sometimes complex, I agree with that. Unfortunately, they often rest on incorrect assumptions about the game, showing she doesn't actually pay nearly as much attention to them as she should, if she's going to review them. One such example is her characterization of strip clubs in the Hitman series - she makes some sort of remark about the player being encouraged to attack them when Hitman actually treats them just like everyone else - if they aren't your target or someone shooting at you, don't kill them.

    109. Re:Wonderful. by SirLordGodfrey · · Score: 1

      I am not very good at debate, I will admit that.

      But I never equated "Social Justice Warrior" with "Pedoterrorist".

      YOU are the one doing that, when I've been saying they're the ones writing their own versions of the malleus maleficarum and going on witchhunts for people -suspected- of sexism/misogyny/discrimination.

      You have yet to address that point, unless you think mob justice (usually controlled by emotions and people getting "caught up in the moment") is a good thing?

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  2. Got a fresh headline for next week for you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Twiiter Anti-Abuse tools Abused. Hard."

    4cha- sorry, let me rephrase that, 8chan will have fun with that.
    Oh, how 4chan has fallen as the internets dick.

  3. And what of the Pentagon? ... well ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And all that jazz? It exists to ... well ... destroy the enemy. The enemy is ... well ... you.

  4. Welcome to corporate future by sinij · · Score: 0

    >>>"Freedom of expression means little"

    So if your platform is Twitter, you don't have freedom of speech. With all social media controlled by this or that corporation, this means that you don't have any freedom of speech in that media. If that main mode of communication, then you don't have that freedom, period.

    Freedom of speech could only exist when people everyone hates can say things that everyone disagrees with.

    1. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reported.

    2. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      if we continue to allow voices to be silenced because they are afraid to speak up

      If you can't make a point without using hate speech then remain quiet. Calling someone names has rarely resolved anything and if anything usually derails off the main topic. If you want to push the Nazi agenda nobody is preventing you from doing so on any media, you just have to do it without using hate speech.

      If you think freedom of speech should be used to protect the rights for morons to write things like: "GO KILL YOURSELF FAGGOT" or "UR AN FN TARD" then I obviously won't get my point through to you.

      within the available vocabulary without
      Allowing hate to be
      As far as I concerned the fact that one is allowed to express his HATE for another race, way of life is not constructive in any way to society and it
      Nobody said opinions could not be spoken as long as they remain don't become hate . This is looking more like the Canadian way of doing things. For some reason in the United States "hate" is an acceptable

    3. Re:Welcome to corporate future by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      If you can't make a point without using hate speech then remain quiet.

      Who get's to define "hate speech"? Is it *me*? Oh, pleeaaasse let it be me!

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    4. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when has anything truly been resolved via social media?

      asshole.

    5. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>>If you think freedom of speech should be used to protect the rights for morons
       
      Ether everyone has freedom of speech, or nobody does. This does include any form of vile scum you can think of. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from social consequences, but it does mean that there is no such thing as "disallowed speech".

    6. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, because you don't use apostrophes correctly.

    7. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I vote we let Hitler define what constitutes hate speech, it is only fair, since he invented it.

    8. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Speech doesn't have a platform. That's why freedom of speech and freedom of the press are two different things. If you couldn't pay any printer to print your pamphlet or book, it didn't get printed. That didn't negate freedom of the press. Freedom doesn't mean someone else has to do something for you; it means the government doesn't have the authority to stop you from doing your own thing yourself.

    9. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      I'd say 99% of people I've met in my life can tell what hate speech is when they read it. They can tell by using the moral compass they've developed over years of being part of a society. Maybe your the 1% I haven't met.

    10. Re:Welcome to corporate future by ctid · · Score: 1

      Society as a whole defines that. Everyone knows what is and is not hate speech, and at the margins there are very passionate debates. It doesn't take a single person - everyone in society already agrees about where the line is.

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    11. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think freedom of speech should be only be used to protect speech you're ok with, then I obviously won't get my point through to you.

    12. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Freedom of speech could only exist when people everyone hates can say things that everyone disagrees with.

      That hasn't existed on university campuses for a long time, since the '60s I hear. Check out this video of some racist trying to talk about something or other in a university classroom : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdwseNGx0zk : we don't actually hear what he has to say, some yahoos with a bullhorn started marching around the room.

      Wait, that one was removed for some kind of copyright infringement - perhaps the antifascists were singing a copywritten song? So here's a different link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Vw2V42KS1zc#t=150 (t=150 to skip the intro; bullhorn appears at 4 minutes in)

    13. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And since Hitler didn't hate on women, use whatever abusive language against them you want to! It's officially not hate speech!

    14. Re:Welcome to corporate future by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      I'd say 99% of people I've met in my life can tell what hate speech is when they read it.

      And 99% of Muslims believe that showing a depiction of Mohammad is hate speech.
      And 99% of Christians believe that openly mocking or attacking Jesus is hate speech.

      So may I presume that both of those will be banned as clear cases of hate speech?

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    15. Re:Welcome to corporate future by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      Everyone knows what is and is not hate speech

      Who is this "Everyone"? Don't think I've ever met that bloke. But I do remember an "Everyone" in the middle east who said that eating pork was bad. I guess he speaks for all of us, then.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    16. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Stormcrow309 · · Score: 2

      99.99999% of all stats on the internet are fake, especially if I disagree with them - Benjamin Franklin

      Let us make it easy, here is the definition for hate speech:

      Hate speech is a communication that carries no meaning other than the expression of hatred for some group, especially in circumstances in which the communication is likely to provoke violence. It is an incitement to hatred primarily against a group of persons defined in terms of race, ethnicity, national origin, gender, religion, sexual orientation, and the like. Hate speech can be any form of expression regarded as offensive to racial, ethnic and religious groups and other discrete minorities or to women.

      Is it overly broad, yes. But there you go.

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      In God we trust, all others require data.

    17. Re:Welcome to corporate future by sinij · · Score: 1

      Now imagine that almost everyone communicates only via printed pamphlets, but pamphlet-printing business controlled by one censorious individual eager to push his agenda to the detriment of others. Could freedom of speech exists in such hypothetical society?

      In Twitter case there isn't "someone else has to do it for you", they are 'common carrier' for speech and nothing more. Starting now and moving forward online communication is more prevalent than in-person speech. It isn't inconceivable to imagine dystopian future where everyone communicates using only 'social' media, and few corporations determine what is acceptable. In such future nobody has freedom of speech, and we get there with unwise individuals pushing for "Right to not get offended".

    18. Re:Welcome to corporate future by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      Hate speech can be any form of expression regarded as offensive to racial, ethnic and religious groups

      So depictions of Mohammad and bad-mouthing Jesus are indeed defined as hate speech then.

      Okay, just checking.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    19. Re:Welcome to corporate future by sinij · · Score: 1

      Clearly, the same everyone who participated in satanic panics, hunted for communist sympathizers, and so on.

    20. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Stormcrow309 · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the joy of definitions. Have fun. Do we need common sense, yes. However, we also need civility. Meh...

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      In God we trust, all others require data.

    21. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Have you seen what gets modded flamebait here ?

      More or less hate speech is anything someone disagrees with, The stronger the argument and the more facts to support it, the more hateful they will think it is.

    22. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      99.99999% of all stats on the internet are fake, especially if I disagree with them - Benjamin Franklin

      My point was I don't know anybody that couldn't tell you when they read hate speech.

      And thank you for posting the definition. As you mentioned in your later post, common sense needs to be used.

    23. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're ignorant, naive, AND suck assrim at communicating in the English language. You ooze credibility! Can I please nominate you as the "decides what is hate speech" police? Because there's no way, based on your weak anecdote, that two people could ever have differing opinions on what could constitute hate speech. You're a real deep thinker.

    24. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      So depictions of Mohammad and bad-mouthing Jesus are indeed defined as hate speech then.

      They did it knowing how much anger it would cause. Regardless they didn't deserve to die and neither does anybody else for publishing hate messages. This is why these policy changes are excellent. If people aren't happy with their speech being censored they will quit using Twitter. Otherwise they'll continue using it and the haters can go hate somewhere else.

    25. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Stormcrow309 · · Score: 1

      Been here for a while... yeah... We have this interesting neo-liberal-socialistic-libertarian-psychopathic political bent prevailing on /.

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      In God we trust, all others require data.

    26. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now imagine that almost everyone communicates only via printed pamphlets, but pamphlet-printing business controlled by one censorious individual eager to push his agenda to the detriment of others. Could freedom of speech exists in such hypothetical society?

      If he got laws passed to make it illegal to own or use your own press, or some such thing, that would be a loss of freedom. The terms of service on Twitter don't determine whether or not we have freedom of the press.

    27. Re:Welcome to corporate future by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      I'd say 99% of people I've met in my life can tell what hate speech is when they read it.

      This is the "appeal to the reasonable man" approach. It's quite common in law. Basically punts the decision to a randomly selected judge who is just trusted to be reasonable.

      The problem is that the people deciding what reasonable means are of course never a perfect cross section of society at large. In the UK there have been cases where e.g. someone posted to Facebook that he hated British soldiers and he hoped they would go to die and go to hell because of all the muslims they killed.

      This was interpreted as being literal hate speech. He was arrested, charged with "a racially aggravated public order offense" and then found guilty of sending a "grossly offensive communication" and sentenced to community service. The police explained, "he didn’t make his point very well and that is why he has landed himself in bother".

      Most likely this post would violate Twitters policies (if Twitter allowed such a long tweet).

      Now what about posts like these? What about tweets that threaten "the terrorists" with death? Do you seriously think Twitter, an American company, is going to start shutting down these sorts of accounts? What about movie studios tweeting quotes from American Sniper to promote it?

      I am seriously skeptical. Most likely it will be like every other attempt to do this I've seen - what is or isn't threatening or abusive will depend entirely on the world view of the people doing the moderation and how famous/politically connected the tweeters are. It won't ever attempt to be even handed.

    28. Re:Welcome to corporate future by sinij · · Score: 1

      How is Twitter not a public digital space?

    29. Re:Welcome to corporate future by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Now imagine that almost everyone communicates only via printed pamphlets, but pamphlet-printing business controlled by one censorious individual eager to push his agenda to the detriment of others. Could freedom of speech exists in such hypothetical society?

      Your scenario isn't that hard to imagine. Back when most people did disseminate information using printed pamphlets, only a few people owned the printing presses that could manufacturing such pamphlets en masse. We survived as a species, even though those pamphlets were often inaccurate and inflammatory.

      It isn't inconceivable to imagine dystopian future where everyone communicates using only 'social' media, and few corporations determine what is acceptable. In such future nobody has freedom of speech, and we get there with unwise individuals pushing for "Right to not get offended".

      You are upset about a possible future regarding "communication", but communication requires two parties - one speaking, one listening - and optionally includes a third party - one to convey the information from the speaker to the listener. In all cases, speakers have the most limited rights, as it exists today and as it would be in your supposed society.

      No speaker has the right to demand the service of any given conveyor or the ear of any given listener, except for limited common-carriers such as the postal service. (Even then, they must only carry your service if you pay for the transaction, similar to other common carriers such as the phone company that have to carry your speech if and only if you maintain an account with them.)

      On the other hand, listeners very often have the right to decide who can speak with them. I can choose not to pick up my phone, add my phone to a Do Not Call list, and block your number, and even have you charged with harassment if you don't stop calling. I can't stop all junk mail, letters, and post cards, but I can throw them away without reading them. I can't stop you from holding up signs on a public street or shouting out to me as I walk past, but if you do these things at my house I have various resources (harassment laws, noise ordinances, zoning laws, soundproofing) that can block you from me.

      In this society you describe, what you mean by "everyone communicates using only 'social' media" is that listeners confine themselves to their homes and only make themselves available via social media platforms, and those platforms choose to cater to listeners over speakers, and that you as a speaker won't be able to post signs or yell at listeners who don't want to hear you. Your freedom to speak does not and never has imposed an obligation to listen, and listeners can choose to (or empower others to) filter content they hear. The system works as intended.

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    30. Re:Welcome to corporate future by ctid · · Score: 1

      Don't be so stupid. Really, if you don't like twitter's policies, find another site to use. If you're right about this being a slippery slope, their business will collapse as millions of users drift away because they believe they are being oppressed. I don't think that's going to happen but maybe it will.

      In the mean time, the rest of us will be able to guess with a high degree of accuracy what Twitter will and won't tolerate. If you're unable to do that, that's fine too. You can get banned or suspended or not.

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    31. Re:Welcome to corporate future by ctid · · Score: 1

      Surely it's their site and their policy? At the moment they are drawing a comparison between gamergate-style intimidation and normal social discourse out in the real world. Some interactions on Twitter do not feel like the real world to me and I guess Twitter wants that to change. But its up to them.

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      Reality is defined by the maddest person in the room
    32. Re:Welcome to corporate future by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      Choose your words carefully is what one of my French teachers once told me (yes, I'm French). The individual who wrote: "he hoped they would go to die and go to hell because of all the Muslims they killed" wasn't very smart in the picking of his words for his statement. To wish death on someone is a pretty strong hate message. To wish death on someone is a form death threat you know you can't carry out yourself but wish for it to be carried.

      At the end of the day if Twitter censors too much (only time will tell) new services that provide more reasonable censorship will emerge but my bet is that most users don't care for this type of speech and they will stick to a service that censors it.

  5. Abuse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There are plenty of people on twitter who seem to think that someone disagreeing with them or holding/promoting beliefs that counter theirs is a form of abuse or harm. They're nuts, but they exist and I expect this will just add to their bubble building toolbox.

    1. Re:Abuse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are plenty of people on twitter who seem to think that someone disagreeing with them or holding/promoting beliefs that counter theirs is a form of abuse or harm.

      For people who think this is trivial, keep in mind just how far the various batshit-crazy SJW/PC movements have gone lately. Some feminists are now actually calling on universities to classify "stare rape" as abuse now.

  6. ISIS by Needs2BeSaid · · Score: 2

    ISIS ruins everything. Terrorists are why we can't have nice things.

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    1. Re:ISIS by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      What do terrorist have to do with the 16 year old that logs into Twitter and write "YOUR A TARD" in someone else's twitter feed?

    2. Re:ISIS by Needs2BeSaid · · Score: 1

      "You're a tard" is not equal to "threats of violence or tweets promoting violence". On a side note, most people called a "tard" probably exhibit some forms of mental retardation.

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      Some things need to be said...
    3. Re:ISIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YOU"RE, asshole.

    4. Re:ISIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do terrorist have to do with the 16 year old that logs into Twitter and write "YOUR A TARD" in someone else's twitter feed?

      That is where you kindly reply. "YOU'RE A TARD - FTFY" and block them?

    5. Re:ISIS by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      They made a change to their "violent threats policy" but they are also dealing with abuse in general as stated in the article: "This is to deal with all abusive tweets."

      Many twitter users have been threatened by "non terrorist" individuals just because they don't like what they do or have done. Sure, social media can be used by terrorists but they aren't the bulk of the concerns. The KKK aren't a terrorist group (although that's debatable in Canada based on new legislature that was released last year) yet they promote violence.

    6. Re:ISIS by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      "You're a tard" would be almost acceptable. The main problem is that they can't even be bothered with proper capitalization or grammar and, thus, write shit like "YOUR A TARD". But, then, I guess it does take one to know one, eh?

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  7. Twitter's business model by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is handing out torches to angry villagers. Going to be interesting to see how they square this.

    1. Re:Twitter's business model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why they're making these changes: governments aren't going to deal with Twitter any more and are just banning it. Twitter's hoping that they'll convince governments that they aren't really about letting angry mobs organize and are instead dealing with the problem of free speech on their platform leading to revolts.

      Remember the Arab Spring? Remember Turkey recently banning Twitter over tweets about a prosecutor that was executed? Twitter really is the sometimes literal business of getting torches and pitchforks handed out to angry mobs.

      What, you thought this was about something pointless like SJWs whining about gamers? (Not saying you did, OP, just a ton of commentors on this story do.) Nah, that's just Twitter's spin: "look, we're helping these poor defenseless women, saving them from those EVIL GAMERS!" (Ironic that feminists are 100% OK with women being depicted as poor and defenseless when it suits them. But anyway.)

      This is really about banning unpopular political speech in non-US countries.

      But since no one in the US would support that, for US audiences, it's instead about "those EVIL GAMERS attacking poor defenseless women!" It's simple misdirection to avoid it being reported as Twitter cracking down on foreign protestors. And it seems to be sort of working.

    2. Re:Twitter's business model by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I'm curious to know if you have any evidence of this. I don't meant blog posts by people protesting their innocence and claiming to have know idea why Twitter suspended their accounts, I mean actual evidence of people abusing the report button and Twitter acting without first reviewing the tweets in question.

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    3. Re:Twitter's business model by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      Is handing out torches to angry villagers. Going to be interesting to see how they square this.

      Shouldn't that be everybody's business model, supplying a need for the largest market? Do you think there are more angry villagers, or more victims being lynched?

  8. Eye of the beholder by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Unless this is meat-space curated, this could unintentionally play right into the hands of trolls or anyone who believes any criticism of their '140 of wisdom' is a threat.

  9. What a bizarre statement by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Freedom of expression means little as our underlying philosophy if we continue to allow voices to be silenced because they are afraid to speak up."

    So to protect against silencing, you're going to silence?

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    SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    1. Re:What a bizarre statement by ctid · · Score: 1, Interesting

      There is nothing bizarre about it. Not all voices are equally desirable. To give an example, there are a number of women working in the games space who are targeted every time they express any sort of view. Some of these threats are simply extraordinarily disgusting. It is surely no surprise that Twitter wants to target ("silence" if you will) people who threaten other users?

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      Reality is defined by the maddest person in the room
    2. Re:What a bizarre statement by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can I be the one who decides who is undesirable and gets silenced?

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    3. Re:What a bizarre statement by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 1

      I've been downvoted to oblivion on Ars for saying this very thing. Everyone love this stuff until the censor starts filtering their own posts.

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      "Here Lies Philip J. Fry, named for his uncle, to carry on his spirit"
    4. Re:What a bizarre statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To give an example, there are a number of women working in the games space who are targeted every time they express any sort of view.

      Absolutely true, and it's disgusting. Here is evidence of Quinn shutting down a campaign called Women making Video Games for Charity.

    5. Re:What a bizarre statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not silencing if we don't agree with the speech.

    6. Re:What a bizarre statement by ctid · · Score: 2

      I doubt if anyone will get banned and be surprised about it. It's clear they have the "rape and murder" crowd in mind.

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      Reality is defined by the maddest person in the room
    7. Re:What a bizarre statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "rape and murder" crowd? Do you even read what you post? Oh wait nevermind. There's TONS of rapists and murderers who sit around in their abodes on their computers posting twits on twitter about their upcoming multiple felony escapades. Seriously get your fucking head out of your ass.

    8. Re:What a bizarre statement by ctid · · Score: 1

      Your comment is idiotic. If people are threatening to rape and murder other users of twitter, it is entirely rational for twitter to attempt to put a stop to that. That is not "censorship". You can still say whatever you want. Twitter does not have to host what you want to say.

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    9. Re:What a bizarre statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is nothing bizarre about it. Not all voices are equally desirable. To give an example, there are a number of women working in [INDUSTRY HERE] who target others every time the others express any sort of view they disagree with. Some of these HR actions are simply extraordinarily

    10. Re:What a bizarre statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there's a true threat, they can take it to the police, obtain protective orders, etc. as they should.

      It's more likely that people will be 'threatened' by all sorts of disagreement that does not contain actual threats.

    11. Re:What a bizarre statement by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      If you didn't like what a political candidate was saying would you send them death threats, or perhaps start to scream abuse at them whenever they appear in public? Would you expect to be allowed to do that, for others to accept it and allow you to carry on because hay, it's freedom of speech and you mustn't be silenced?

      There is never absolute freedom of speech. At some point threats become a criminal matter. Even just abuse has to be dealt with to allow there to be a debate. Away from the mainstream there is a space for fringe views and extreme speech, but Twitter isn't under any obligation to provide a platform for it.

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    12. Re:What a bizarre statement by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You should spend some time reading the comments section of the Guardian before being so sure about this. The Guardian has a policy that you cannot post comments that insult or offend the journalists. Because, you know, that'd result in a hostile and threatening environment, or whatever.

      The result is that comments which point out bias, or even factually inaccurate statements, have a habit of being rapidly deleted. Because implying that a journalist has an agenda or might not have done proper journalism could be offensive, you see! I've observed multiple times comments that would be +5 Insightful here on Slashdot being erased within minutes, thanks to their unbelievably vague and broad set of "community standards".

      Or take a look at the totalitarian way the UK police are attempting to make Facebook and Twitter non-offensive. Someone posted on Facebook that they thought soldiers might (gasp) have personal moral culpability for signing up to fight in Afghanistan or Iraq and killing people. The mother of a soldier saw the post, was offended, reported it to the police and the guy ended up being sentenced to community service. Only because he repented his heresy of course. If he hadn't he'd have been tossed in jail. Now is the idea that soldiers are responsible for their actions really so offensive? Of course not! That was the core legal basis of the Nuremburg trials: "I was just following orders" is not a defence.

      If Twitter decides that any threatening or harmful tweet is to be erased, half of Twitter could end up being thrown out. It's too bad their new CEO is on the warpath about this. People who received threatening tweets or whatever, could always just log off and stop seeing them.

    13. Re:What a bizarre statement by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      If you didn't like what a political candidate was saying would you send them death threats

      No, because that would be illegal.

      or perhaps start to scream abuse at them whenever they appear in public?

      Their definition of "abuse" or mine?

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    14. Re:What a bizarre statement by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Their definition of "abuse" or mine?

      Since it's their venue, their's.

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    15. Re:What a bizarre statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they keep it just to that, then fine. However, I highly suspect they won't limit it to just that and will abuse this for political censorship.

    16. Re:What a bizarre statement by SydShamino · · Score: 3, Informative

      Can I be the one who decides who is undesirable and gets silenced?

      Absolutely. Create and popularize the NotDrWhoNet communications platform, and you can make those decisions. For your platform.

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    17. Re:What a bizarre statement by Rhapsody+Scarlet · · Score: 2

      So to protect against silencing, you're going to silence?

      Well let's put it this way. Say a nation has no laws against kidnapping and forced imprisonment. Then they decide it's time to ban such things and announce a new law, kidnapping and forced imprisonment are now criminal offences carrying a three-to-ten year prison sentence if convicted.

      So of course people come out with "What? That's your solution? Protect against imprisoning people by imprisoning people?". Yes, sometime in order to protect the freedom of some people we must restrict the freedom of other people. Careful balancing and oversight is required, but there is nothing fundamentally contradictory about this.

    18. Re:What a bizarre statement by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      So to protect against silencing, you're going to silence?

      Well, if one bully can silence 100 shrinking violets, by removing the bully, twitter will get less silence as the shrinking violets have conversations about how important everyones feelings are on whatever subject matter is worth tweeting about.

      If your goal was to get as many eyeballs looking at ads on your platform, wouldn't you trade one bully for 100 shrinking violets?

    19. Re:What a bizarre statement by ctid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I live in the UK and I regularly read the Guardian. I'm not sure what that has to do with twitter, save that they are both private organisations and can impose their own rules on their own space. Why do you care? If you have a blog, you can do this yourself. Or not. It's up to whoever owns the space isn't it?

      I don't see the relevance of the UK police's behaviour. This story is about twitter and how they are trying to control their own space. They are allowed to do that, regardless of what you think. Why you think the UK police are connected to twitter is a mystery to me.

      If Twitter decides that any threatening or harmful tweet is to be erased, half of Twitter could end up being thrown out. It's too bad their new CEO is on the warpath about this.

      This is an obvious straw man.

      People who received threatening tweets or whatever, could always just log off and stop seeing them.

      This gets to the heart of the matter. Of course people who are threatened could just go away. But I think that the overwhelming majority of people want the people doing the threatening to go away. I guess Twitter, a commercial organisation, has made a calculation that they would prefer the people who threaten others to leave. It's their site and it's entirely up to them how they manage it, what sort of behaviour they want to allow and what they should do about people who won't behave.

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    20. Re:What a bizarre statement by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      Can I be the one who decides who is undesirable and gets silenced?

      No, that's Anakin Skywalker's job.

    21. Re:What a bizarre statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Freedom of speech is "The right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint." as defined by Oxford Dictionaries.

      I'd like to note that the term 'any opinions' would logically include opinions that are undesirable, resulting in the statement that you therefore cannot at the same time advocate free speech and the silencing of undesirable opinions.

    22. Re:What a bizarre statement by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2

      To give an example, there are a number of women working in the games space who are targeted every time they express any sort of view. Some of these threats are simply extraordinarily disgusting.

      "Targeted"? What exactly do you mean by that?

      If you mean that people disagree loudly and vigorously when they speak, well, welcome to being an adult.

      If you mean that people threaten them, an actual, credible threat is a crime. And in such instance Twitter should be forwarding info to help the police to catch the criminal.

      But hyperbolic speech -- even speech you or I may find "extraordinarily disgusting" -- is not a credible threat. If you don't want to read disgusting speech, Twitter lets you block people. We've had the solution for dealing with asshats on-line since the glory days of USENET. It sounds like this: plonk.

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    23. Re:What a bizarre statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been downvoted to oblivion on Ars for saying this very thing. Everyone love this stuff until the censor starts filtering their own posts.

      All speech is censored. The classics being "Shouting "Fire!" in a movie theater", fraud and spam.

      While uncensored speech is a nice ideal it's not the reality and any speech that's deliberately disruptive rather than being informative or useful is rightly a candidate for controls.

    24. Re:What a bizarre statement by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      I was responding to your post that read:

      I doubt if anyone will get banned and be surprised about it

      and I argued that people will be surprised because the policies will inevitably be arbitrary and rather biased. The surprising way the UK police enforce very very similar rules on Twitter users as Twitter now wants to enforce itself is highly relevant to that point.

      You seem to think I said Twitter shouldn't be allowed to do this, or some other argument about ownership of private spaces. I didn't mention it, though.

      This is an obvious straw man

      No, a straw man would be where I claim you argued something you didn't, and then knocked down that non-argument. You straw manned me when you said "Twitter are allowed to do this regardless of what you think" - that's a response to something I never said. Obviously they're allowed to do it. The question is whether it's a good idea or not, and what the consequences will be.

      I think the consequence is very likely to be that they tolerate abusive and threatening tweets if they come from particular kinds of people or support various kinds of political positions, and crack down hard on ideas and opinions they/the moderators don't like under the guise of fighting "abuse".

    25. Re:What a bizarre statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing is, they already stated the they're not protecting against legitimate threats of violence. They're just protecting against you FEELING unsafe... against real or imaginary threats. It's about how you FEEL. So if one person isn't a gaping pussy throughout life, they won't FEEL harassed/scared/unsafe over a comment. Therefore that comment is okay. But someone else might interpret the same comment as melting their special safe little snow-flakeness and tehrefore that same comment suddenly becomes VIOLENT HATE SPEECH and is censored.

    26. Re:What a bizarre statement by russotto · · Score: 1

      What they mean by "targeted" is that they want Twitter (and everywhere else, actually) to be a public forum where anyone can hear them when they speak. But they want it to be a private space where they decide what can be said by whom when anyone wants to respond.

      Upshot being they think they should be able to say any outrageous thing they want and no one should be able to respond unfavorably.

    27. Re:What a bizarre statement by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      To give an example, there are a number of women working in the games space who are targeted every time they express any sort of view.

      To my knowledge, Zoe Quinn only shuts down charities. Her own patreon still gets money from dewey-eyed naivetes. Her "game" still holds the record for lowest score ever received for a game on metacritic.

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    28. Re:What a bizarre statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like George w. Bush used to say: sometimes to save democracy, you have to destroy democracy.

    29. Re:What a bizarre statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, playing the legal authority card. I would like to remind you that this is a discussion not on what Twitter can do, but what it ought to do. The current focus of the conversation is on whether or not people will abuse their authority to ban in order to silence people they don't want to hear, regardless of whether they deserve it.

      Now of course it is within Twitter's legal rights to do that. Why would you think anyone was saying anything else? But whether or not they can is irrelevant, the question is what they should be doing.

      So follows the question: If Twitter decides to eliminate any speech they don't like, is that a morally good or a morally bad thing to do? People have been saying that it is bad under the grounds of the subjectivity of the terms, and your response appears to have been that Twitter can do anything it wants with its server space. Which is true, but not relevant.

      Personally, I'd like to make a reminder that humans are not perfectly logical beings. It seems far too likely to me for someone with a position of power in Twitter to decide that the person saying things they don't like (but are not threats or abuse in any way) ought not to be allowed to say them.

    30. Re:What a bizarre statement by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      People who received threatening tweets or whatever, could always just log off and stop seeing them.

      At which point the forum is effectively destroyed. I've seen it happen, starting with Usenet. Only the moderated groups could survive long-term as discussion forums; the others would always be vulnerable to having half a dozen people drive everybody else out. If Twitter is to survive, it needs to have some method of dealing with excessively crude comments and graphic threats. It's not going to be able to monetize roving bands of trolls without prey.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  10. I think I've seen how this works out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sean: You are so on the team! Next week we've got the Crown & Anchor. We're going to annihilate them!
    The Doctor: [suddenly in Sean's face] Annihilate? No! No violence, do you understand me? Not while I'm around, not today, not ever. I'm the Doctor. The Oncoming Storm. And you basically meant beat them in a football match, didn't you?
    Sean: Yeah.
    The Doctor: Lovely. What sort of time?

  11. "Anti-Abuse Tools" = CENSORSHIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Anti-Abuse Tools" = CENSORSHIP (the first paragraph of the wikipedia article about censorship:"Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.").
    An ancestor of mine, the ancient Greek Antisthenes wrote (roughly translated by me) "the examination of words is the begining of wisdom" - and Orwell wrote some things about the rape of language (and, by that, logic) in his "1984".
    And this rape of language (and, by that, logic) it's a left-wing's tactic, both in Europe (where i live) and the rest of the Western World - this "Anti-Abuse Tool" (that is, the CENSORSHIP tool, if you still need the "translation") is going to be used against ME (a Greek/European that has nationalistic political views, is against Muslims/homosexuals/e.t.c., believes in racial differences, e.t.c.), not against anyone with left-wing views... AND YOU KNOW IT!
    I support the right of any invividual/company to control what it permits/forbits in what it controls - but as long as i can express myself i will defend language (and logic) from rapist...

    1. Re:"Anti-Abuse Tools" = CENSORSHIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's not censorship.

      Maybe people just don't want to fucking listen to you.

    2. Re:"Anti-Abuse Tools" = CENSORSHIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then don't listen. Why do you need a tool to delete?

  12. value proposition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would anyone even want to use Twitter? What is the point of a communication medium that only allows you to communicate messages that have been approved by a hostile third party?

  13. This might work by houghi · · Score: 1

    Solvng a social problem with a technical solution. Perhaps this time it really works.

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    1. Re:This might work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Solvng a social problem with a technical solution. Perhaps this time it really works.

      Many social problems can be solved with technical solutions. For example: most of serious crime can be solved if we build some good ovens for blacks (or gypsies - i am Greek and in Europe our "blacks" are the gypsies... o.k., and the blacks!) - of course left-wing libtards refuse such a technical solution, so they need "Anti-Abuse Tools" (translated to "censorship") to abuse people like me!

    2. Re:This might work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now now, you don't need the ovens. They're not good for anything AFTER you've finished the problem, so then you just have wasted government spending.

      What you need is a good pistol. Not only is it good for what you want to do, it's good for numerous other tasks, like changing your television channel, removing the lids off pickle jars and winning arguments with your wife.

  14. "or tweets promoting violence" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this mean all the major media news organizations will be banned every time they promote their violent wars for their masters?

    "Todaythe USA kills 20 'terrorists' "

    That's promoting violence no matter how you look at it.

    Instead, I bet twitter will selectively censor whatever it likes with these new policies.

  15. You know i'd KILL for a coffee right about now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This User Has Been Banned For Threats Of Violence

    1. Re:You know i'd KILL for a coffee right about now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Triggered.

  16. about time... by Demonix · · Score: 1

    Guess we'll be seeing less of the SJW online outrage machine then...

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    1. Re:about time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The nerd outrage machine should die down, too.

      "OMG you did this thing I don't like to my favourite character in this new game? I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!!!"

  17. Hope it's even-handed by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    There's no question that better Twitter abuse controls are needed...

    But I really hope they are careful to be even-handed about what they consider abuse, as it's REALLY easy to consider everything one side of an issue says is "abuse" and silence them permanently.

    I also wonder how this will square with some people on Twitter who aren't necessarily abusive, but really like swearing. Could they be at greater risk of being banned?

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  18. In the end... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    all free speech will be silenced.

  19. Idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right. Someone calling a woman's father on his cellphone at 3am with death threats is "criticism".

    #GamerGate has its head so far up its ass I don't know how they breathe. They're nothing but a horde of socially inept losers who hate that the hobby they define as their identity is "under attack".

    (For the record: I've been playing videogames for 30 years, and even worked in a video game store when I was a teen.)

    1. Re:Idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oooo you claim to have been "been playing videogames for 30 years, and even worked in a video game store when I was a teen" makes everything else you say so credible!!! No way you're just pulling lies out of the same hole from which your dipshit opinions originate.

    2. Re:Idiots by epyT-R · · Score: 1, Troll

      Right, just like generalizing and stereotyping games and gamers as a "Choose your own patriarchal adventure" doesn't deserve all the criticism and derision it got.. Oh wait, yes it did.

      I guess I could generalize all women gamers with something like: "Women gamers must be a horde of ugly, fat, losers who can't get a boyfriend in real life, so they play online games to harass guys looking to unwind after work" because of statements made by a few women like anita and zoe quinn, but that would stoop to your level of fallacious argument and be just as untrue.

    3. Re:Idiots by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I guess I could generalize all women gamers with something like: "Women gamers must be a horde of ugly, fat, losers who can't get a boyfriend in real life, so they play online games to harass guys looking to unwind after work" because of statements made by a few women like anita and zoe quinn, but that would stoop to your level of fallacious argument and be just as untrue.

      What on earth are you talking about?

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    4. Re:Idiots by ctid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right, just like generalizing and stereotyping games and gamers as a "Choose your own patriarchal adventure"

      Are you just making this shit up?

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    5. Re:Idiots by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Are you just making this shit up?

      In essence, yes.

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    6. Re:Idiots by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      No. That's from one of anita's videos.

    7. Re:Idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That fact that I've held down a proper job for 15 years and a relationship for 10, you know, the real world stuff, makes my opinion more credible than the sheltered, screaming manbabies who count their "cheevos" as *actual life achievements* and take marching orders from Reddit.

    8. Re:Idiots by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      Are you just making this shit up?

      Why not Google it and find out? That's what I did - took 10 seconds. That is a quote from Anita Sarkeesian, in this video where she says (apparently without irony) that "Women are being institutionally oppressed all the time, in nearly every facet of our lives" followed by the quote about porno fantasy, which is apparently about the game Bayonetta.

    9. Re:Idiots by ctid · · Score: 2

      Taking quotes out of context like that is just appalling. Normal people do not do that. The video you linked to is from one of the more vociferous gamergate leaders. Why not find the same quote of femfreq?

      However, to answer your point:

      "Women are being institutionally oppressed all the time, in nearly every facet of our lives" - this statement is hardly even remarkable. It's a standard feminist idea, which is discussed seriously all over the world. I can't imagine why you think the statement is odd or unusual. Here is a hint: there is feminist critique of every art form. If you don't like it, you don't have to read it or pay any attention to it. The problem here is that she has been receiving rape and murder threats because of what she says. Hopefully you can understand that that is not really appropriate.

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    10. Re:Idiots by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right, just like generalizing and stereotyping games and gamers as a "Choose your own patriarchal adventure" doesn't deserve all the criticism and derision it got.

      Sarkeesian was completely unknown and had zero impact on games or gaming until GamerGate started shitting on the floor in fury that someone would dare think critically of games. Screaming and threatening and smearing shit all over the walls, Now she's famous, is taking in foundation money and her ideas are widely discussed among people who are in a position to affect games and gaming.

      I hope you're proud you goddamn morons. You've set gaming back by a generation because you have poor impulse control (most likely the result of a poor experience during potty training). Every goddamn body hates you. From the e-celeb drama, it appears you even hate each other. You have become a punchline to a bad joke. Every single "op" or "happening" has either fizzled or has further embarrassed you.

      Once you're lumped in with MRAs, child porn, swatting people, white supremacy, online harassment and stalking, you've kind of painted yourself into a corner. A very smelly, unpleasant corner that people try to ignore, like when a passed out drunk craps himself on the subway.

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    11. Re:Idiots by nctritech · · Score: 0

      Nope, Anita actually said that. (Link to Thunderf00t because that's the only transcript a Google search found for that text, not because "MRA, MRA, ermahgerd.")

    12. Re:Idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you imply strongly that you have watched Anita's videos, you are officially a liar. Unless of course you've never actually watched them which still would make you a liar because you have no idea what you're talking about. Confirmed ideological sinner.

    13. Re:Idiots by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      Taking quotes out of context like that is just appalling

      How is it out of context? Would you care to provide the missing context that makes her comments seem more reasonable? I picked that site because it was one of the first hits on Google for the phrase you claimed was "made up shit" - I have no idea who the person who made the video is. It just happens to contain her saying it.

      "Women are being institutionally oppressed all the time, in nearly every facet of our lives" ..... I can't imagine why you think the statement is odd or unusual.

      Because it's obviously false, highly inflammatory garbage that no rational person would ever say. Women are not being "institutionally oppressed" in any sense of the term, and this kind of nonsense is exactly why prominent feminists attract so much negative attention. The fact that some of them actually debate this idea just goes to show how disconnected from reality they have become.

      Go back a few hundred years when women couldn't vote, couldn't work in many professions and were basically owned by their husbands. That was institutional oppression.

      Here is a hint: there is feminist critique of every art form. If you don't like it, you don't have to read it or pay any attention to it.

      I don't read it, which is why I had to search for the quote to see if your accusation that epyT-R was making things up was true. Obviously you don't read this stuff either, otherwise you wouldn't have made yourself look foolish by assuming that quoting Anita S's extremism was "making shit up".

    14. Re:Idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you enjoyed your ouya.

    15. Re:Idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Anita Sarkesian actually says this in one of her videos.

    16. Re:Idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sarkeesian was completely unknown and had zero impact on games or gaming until GamerGate started shitting on the floor in fury that someone would dare think critically of games.

      That's simply not true by a simple wiki check.

      Sarkeesian started her Fem Freq channel in 2009, with her first Tropes vs Women videos in 2011. She started getting attention since then, culminating in her kickstarter in 2012.

      This is well before GamerGate was a thing.

      Now she's famous, is taking in foundation money and her ideas are widely discussed among people who are in a position to affect games and gaming.

      You could say the same about GamerGate. Quite a few media sites reviewed their policy on ethics in journalism.

      I hope you're proud you goddamn morons.

      Um... sure? Why shouldn't people be proud that people are discussing gender equality and ethics in journalism? You seem to be living in some black and white world where people who dislike certain feminist messages as being against any and all notions of gender equality. Or that there might actually be people who are concerned with ethics in journalism, and that such a concern isn't mutually exclusive in desiring gender equality.

      You've set gaming back by a generation

      Wait wait wait wait wait. So first you said Anita's ideas are now being discussed by people who can affect gaming, and now you say gaming has been set back by a generation. Which is it? Are GamerGaters in power or something that can undo all the work feminists have done? Or are you saying it's Anita's ideas that are toxic and setting back gaming?

      Once you're lumped in with MRAs, child porn, swatting people, white supremacy, online harassment and stalking, you've kind of painted yourself into a corner.

      Looking at the last couple posts, I don't see epyT-R saying he did, or supports, any of those things.

      The painting into corners is being done by you, to him/them/whoever is it you think you're talking to.

      A very smelly, unpleasant corner that people try to ignore

      Which doesn't explain why you and a few others keep coming back for more.

      Or how mainstream media took interest and gave the whole GG contraversy their 15 minutes of fame, giving the trolls the attention they sought

      Or how even some Law and Order show ran with the idea and made an episode out of it.

    17. Re:Idiots by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Quite a few media sites reviewed their policy on ethics in journalism.

      No, some sites put up boilerplate "ethics policies" and in doing so co-opted gamergate's entire purported reason for existing.

      Gaming has been set back for a generation because the entire gaming industry is now focused on the battle between a bunch of shitposting 8channers and radical feminists. It's like having a romantic dinner for two suddenly interrupted by a gang-fight between clowns and mimes.

      Or that there might actually be people who are concerned with ethics in journalism

      Ten minutes at the 8chan gamergate hangout teaches you that if such people exist, none of them are part of gamergate.

      How hard is it to realize, from the story above and many others, that GamerGate's lack of impulse control is costing people freedom on the Internet? Because of your swatting, child porn, threats and rape fantasies, places that used to be freewheeling are implementing speech lockdowns. The other day, GamerGate was named in the congressional record as a hate group. Because you cucks couldn't help but telling some 2-bit feminists that you were going to rape and kill her, and doing so, on Twitter. All because you couldn't handle Bayonetta 2 getting a 7.5/10.

      Just reflect for a moment on what the world thinks of GamerGate after 6 months of your best efforts. How fucking stupid are you?

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    18. Re:Idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, some sites put up boilerplate "ethics policies" and in doing so co-opted gamergate's entire purported reason for existing.

      Then again, you can say the say for the other side. People in positions that can affect gaming have just "co-opted" the purported reasons for feminism.

      Gaming has been set back for a generation because the entire gaming industry is now focused on the battle between a bunch of shitposting 8channers and radical feminists. It's like having a romantic dinner for two suddenly interrupted by a gang-fight between clowns and mimes.

      Except you just said, again, that people are talking about Anita's ideas. Are you saying Anita is one of them radical feminists, that she is part of the problem?

      But then again, you just said some gaming sites took boilerplate guidelines and co-opting the issue. That's not a sign of the industry giving it much though or focus. You can't have it both ways.

      Ten minutes at the 8chan gamergate hangout teaches you that if such people exist, none of them are part of gamergate.

      So 8chan is the only place gamergaters hang out? Are all people who disagree and criticize feminists, Anita Sarkeesian, or anybody related to "their" side automatically a gamergater, with all the associated negative stereotypes?

      How hard is it to realize, from the story above and many others, that GamerGate's lack of impulse control is costing people freedom on the Internet?

      Yes, it is very hard to realize. You can have a million stories, but bad logic is still bad logic. GamerGate doesn't set the rules for Twitter. Twitter sets the rules for twitter. Twitter is the one changing its rules and taking away your freedoms. You're the type of person who blames TEH TERRORISTS for all the bullshit loss of freedom and privacy, when it's your Congress and your government that is making those laws.

      The other day, GamerGate was named in the congressional record as a hate group.

      See above. Congress is the body that is most responsible, and interested in, taking away your freedom. They're the ones you should be mad about, not GamerGate or radical feminists or "me". I don't know why you use the second pronoun as if whoever disagrees with you is part of GamerGate and is personally or collectively responsible for whatever grievance you think GG caused.

    19. Re:Idiots by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Except you just said, again, that people are talking about Anita's ideas. Are you saying Anita is one of them radical feminists, that she is part of the problem?

      I don't agree with this Anita Sarkeesian, but at least she's not smearing the walls with shit and telling people with capital to invest that gaming is just too toxic to invest in.

      She said, "Games have ridiculous and oppressive portrayals of women." Well, no shit, Sherlock. Who didn't know that? Except of course, the 200 or so creepy fucks who then decided to get back at her for talking bad about their binkies and became GamerGate.

      I've got no time for Anita Sarkeesian, but she wasn't pissing in the swimming pool. GamerGate is so toxic that online companies are working on ways to keep you from spoiling their little dream worlds, and it's going to be a hassle for the rest of us. And then, you dare to try to portray people who are disgusted by you as "antis". Motherfucker, everyone besides you is disgusted by you.

      So, as I said, GamerGate is fucking up the Internet for everyone. And just when we'd gotten to the point that games and gaming were starting to become mainstream.

      They're the ones you should be mad about, not GamerGate or radical feminists or "me".

      When GamerGate decided that shitting on the street was a political statement, then of course fuckwits in Congress and corporate boardrooms were going to figure out how to stop you. Because you don't know how to act.

      This is your fault. You were so disgusting that 4chan asked you to leave. Fucking Comic Cons are asking you to leave, and they let any skeevy fucker in those things. For chrissake, the only people in the media who will defend you are disgraced Breitbart losers like Milo who have fucked anyone they've ever worked with. And now, because you fucking don't know how to behave the whole class is going to have to stay after and deal with stuff like this Twitter "abuse" policy.

      Fuckers. GamerGate. Honest to god. Get jobs and get the fuck out of the house.

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    20. Re: Idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Pope Hagbard: suck my dick.

  20. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Death threats and the like aside, this is just going to be abused.

    Abusive speech is one thing, but "offensive" speech is subjective, and a totally a different matter.

    "This person posted something which personally disgusted me. I want him banned!" *reported*
    "Guy called me a moron! IT HURT MY FEELINGS!" *reported*

  21. Free Speech by clonehappy · · Score: 2

    "We need to find a way quash free speech on our network while maintaining the illusion to our users that we are not quashing free speech."

    Just like 'old Zuck said, most of their users are dumb fucks, too.

  22. So much for free-speech by BobSutan · · Score: 0

    Just so we're clear this is Twitter acknowledging that they're anti-free speech. Anything someone deems "offensive" is forbidden. That couldn't possibly be abused, nope not at all! /s

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    "On a scale from 1 to 10, people are stupid"
    1. Re:So much for free-speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Free speech" does not imply that Twitter (a private company) is obligated to give people a platform to spew their hate.

    2. Re:So much for free-speech by ctid · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that your ability to express your views depends on twitter allowing you to do so? If twitter won't let you, try facebook. If they're not keen, just set up your own webpage and put what you like there. If you can't do that, take an ad in the paper or stand on a street corner shouting whatever you like. That's free speech.

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  23. Our good friend GamerGate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before you think "yeah fuck GamerGate" I'm referring to the people who claim abuse, when there is none, there are people on both sides of the fence of this debate and it would be nice to know that the anti-abuse tools can't be abused, like the mass autoblocker tool which was being used.

    Suddenly labelled all kinds of nasty names, for disagreeing with someone isn't cool, especially if they get their 'clan of loyal followers' to mass report abuse against you as well. The SJW clan can be just as abuse in their own ways as the GG people, they seem to love censoring stuff they disagree with, not just abuse.
    "This person is disagreeing, ABUSE!!"

    Tools to help stop REAL abuse, great - but needs reviewing before action taken. (See also abusive DMCA takedowns on YouTube as well)

  24. I had to Google ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... SJW. My feet stink and I don't love Jesus.

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    It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
  25. Sorry, Millions Have Caught onto the SJWs Game Now by Kunedog · · Score: 0

    Yeah, it's utterly unacceptable that people complain about rape and death threats.

    It is unacceptable to pretend that only one side of a controversy is receiving those threats, and blaming the other side for them without evidence. Doubly unacceptable, if you're a supposed journalist doing that.

    BTW: at this point SJW doesn't actually mean anything. It's just used as a "shit I hate on the internet" invective. There is no consistency in its use and people use it as a means of either rabble rousing or ad-homenim by trying to shut down a debate by flinging poo rather than actually engaging in a rational discussion.

    Like your post for example.

    No, SJW has gone mainstream with its core meaning intact: someone makes a show of standing up against oppression, but through their actions proves to be little more than a self-serving narcissist, seeking out offense even where there is none and making a mountain out of petty bullshit.

    It's a play on "keyboard warrior" but the phrase itself is mostly irrelevant. I didn't always know why "mouthbreather" was considered an insult until I had a couple of them as coworkers for a while. No doubt for a lot of people, Gamergate has been similarly enlightening with regard to the term "Social Justice Warrior."

    If you're looking for a word that has lost a lot of meaning through misuse while gaining popularity, see "troll."

  26. It Remains a Journalism Scandal. Deal With It. by Kunedog · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nice try. "Thanks to gamergate", three women have been forced from their homes from threats that law enforcement officers found credible enough to suggest that. Trying to pretend that gamergate has done anything but abuse people defines you as - at best - an imbecile.

    It causes you physical pain that few here buy into the "mysogyny and harrassment" narrative, doesn't it?

    The cover-up didn't work.
    The week-long gaming press news blackout and ongoing user comment/forum censorship (in former free-speech strongholds such as 4chan and Reddit, no less) didn't work.
    The coordinated, ongoing smear campaign that began with the "Gamers are Over" articles hasn't worked.
    The endless train of embarrassingly desperate counter-hashtags hasn't worked.
    The Wikipedia and Nightline hit pieces only damage those outlets' credibility for short-term effect.
    The SVU episode . . . hahaahhahaha WOW, where do I even begin . . . it is progapanda that couldn't be more precisely crafted to the corrupt press's specifications (i.e. "narrative"), and broadcast to a national non-gamer audience, much of which likely accepted it as reality. It was a wake-up call to quite a few previously unaware or neutral parties, especially game devs*.

    Eurogamer is the latest games journalism site to update its ethics policy in the wake of Gamergate, joining PC Gamer, IGN, the Escapist, and of course Kotaku/Gawker (though in Gawker's case, they put up more of a fight and the Gamergate pressure to be ethical had to be routed through the FTC).

    Gamergate also got Brad Wardell (CEO of Stardock) some long-overdue apologies for hit pieces run against him:
    https://twitter.com/iamDavidWi...
    http://www.gamepolitics.com/20...
    http://www.zenofdesign.com/in-...

    Ask yourself how much of this you've seen reported in the corrupt media (which at this point, sadly, clearly includes Slashdot). Of course none of it ever had a chance of appearing in the Wikipedia article. Nothing enrages anti-Gamergaters more than someone covering both sides of the story, and that should tell you something.

    Their side thrives only in an environment of propaganda and censorship, and evaporates when faced with integrity and transparency. They prove the need for Gamergate every time they write an article based on the assumption that terrorism and child porn^W^W^W^W misogyny and harassment have become the root passwords to the Constitution^W^W journalistic ethics.


    * like Mark Kern and Ken Levine, who had nothing to do with Gamergate, but were so disgusted by the SVU episode that they publically called on the gaming press to stop slandering gamers. Both were instantly swarmed by anti-GG on twitter, and VG24/7 ran a hit piece on Kern without even getting his side of the story, and refused even after he specifically asked them. I think Eurogamer saw exactly what happened to Kern, and it's no accident that tha

    1. Re:It Remains a Journalism Scandal. Deal With It. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do not forget that Rock Paper Shitgun had to put an article about kickstarters that didn't live up their promises and they attacked Peter Molyneux instead of that idiot of their friend, Tim Schafer. Or Ouya.

    2. Re:It Remains a Journalism Scandal. Deal With It. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      No matter how you try to spin it, in the end GamerGate put the last nail in its own coffin with the IRC log dump:

      https://storify.com/strictmach...
      http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/...

      Keep in mind GamerGate released this material itself, it doesn't contest it or claim that it was manipulated in any way.

      It doesn't matter how much you keep repeating these copy/pasta talking points, because the IRC logs clearly show that it is just a part of the strategy to attack women. The people gathering this material, the ones pushing the ethics angle, openly admit they are just doing it to cover their misogyny.

      GameGate has been exposed for what it really is, if there was ever any doubt.

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    3. Re:It Remains a Journalism Scandal. Deal With It. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus christ Zoe Quinn's bullshit log cherry picking. Give us a break.

      Here's the entire IRC log for anyone who doesn't like Listening and Believing. But just for shits and giggles, let's go through this "last nail in the coffin" that Quinn presented -- totally ignoring her own part in PR manipulations and smearing for the present.

      Second tweet. Quinn posted
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      Sep 02 22.07.21 [RogueStar] We need an IGF Comittee Whistleblower
      Sep 02 22.07.33 [RogueStar] obviously, the blackhats are already at work.
      Sep 02 22.07.37 [RogueStar] lets look for a clean solution
      Sep 02 22.07.48 [ABlackGuy] The IGF is pretty cut and dry at this point, right? What they did was most likely illegal.
      Sep 02 22.07.48 [RogueStar] that requires connection to the IGF in whistlblower status
      Sep 02 22.08.00 [z0x80] the thing is, anything we find outside of whistleblowers is not something we can use publicly
      Sep 02 22.08.08 [ScreamingCantaloupe] @phubans, @DanielVavra
      Sep 02 22.08.14 [ScreamingCantaloupe] @phubans is hit pretty hard
      Sep 02 22.08.15 [Gamer_Positive] http://i.imgur.com/gKTF9Qv.png
      Sep 02 22.08.16 [z0x80] otherwise we hand them ammo and it looks made up
      Sep 02 22.08.16 [RogueStar] Its cut and dry on speculation and by association. We need actual living breathing people to admit it.
      Sep 02 22.08.22 * Enker has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
      Sep 02 22.08.30 [SommenRider] the fact is
      Sep 02 22.08.34 [RogueStar] at this point, the IGF can be sued, and people can be demanded to stand before grand jury

      @TheQuinnspiracy: interesting logs about how this whole shit has been manufactured. http://Rizon.mibbit.org , channel #burgersandfries
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      Now, explain to me how Quinn's comment follows from the IRC log? Explain it. Even without wider context? Explain which lines of the log point lead to "this whole shit has been manufactured". Explain what this "last nail in the coffin" is all about? Explain it.

      If you're too flustered to respond to this one, move onto one of Quinn's other excerpts if you like. I'll enjoy ripping your bullshit strawmen and fundamentalist logical leaps to shreds.

    4. Re:It Remains a Journalism Scandal. Deal With It. by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      The SVU episode

      I had been a long-time fan of Law & Order in general, following SVU more-or-less (I preferred the original, mainly due to the characters of Jack McCoy and Lennie Briscoe). I knew that they were not exact on police procedure, and would often spin current events with extra drama to create episode plots, but I thought that was horrible. They portrayed the "Gamergate" side utterly unrealistically: as foul as some claiming to be part of the movement have been, including threats of kidnapping and rape, I have zero expectation that any would rise to the actual actions. There was no mention of journalistic ethics in the episode. Then, they end the episode with the moral "If you actually go out and beat women up, you can get them to quit even if you are found guilty/killed on a rooftop while apparently under some psychological delusion."

      It was bad writing, bad characters, bad memes/references ("redchan", some completely made up terms), and bad outcomes. The whole thing was character assassination no matter which side you are on, if any, and made me stop watching SVU. (Not a hard decision, as it's mainly become the Olivia Benson Show; while I like Mariska Hargitay, they are relying on her character to carry the series at this point. If I find myself hoping that Ice T's character would get more development/screentime, something has gone wrong...)

  27. My freedom not yours, say the usuals. by Lenny1791 · · Score: 1

    The last couple sentences here are a perfect display of the liberal "you have to agree with me, or else!" Attitude we see so often. "Freedom of expression means little as our underlying philosophy if we continue to allow voices to be silenced because they are afraid to speak up. We need to do a better job combating abuse" Basically what that is saying is "my freedom of expression is more important than yours." And yes I'll clarify. The part "IF we allow voices to be silenced because they are too afraid to speak up" is inherently insinuating that we should not "allow voices to be silenced" because people are afraid to speak up. 1) that's not being silenced. That is choosing not to speak up. 2) and your solution is to ACTUALLY silence those who disagree with you, so that you may be more likely to speak up by choice. There is so much wrong and hypocritical with that thinking I'll leave it there. If you think you need to silence other voices by force so that they don't deter you from speaking by choice, then you are the root of everything which is wrong in the world today.

    1. Re:My freedom not yours, say the usuals. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Except that you are ignoring what happens when nobody curbs abuse. Your idea of eliminating the root of everything that is wrong in the world today would result in all public fora being absolutely useless. There's always more assholes out there, and if they start dominating a discussion all the interesting people will leave. I've observed it multiple times.

      You might as well be a Marxist: the ideology is good, and the practice does not work for human beings.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    2. Re: My freedom not yours, say the usuals. by Lenny1791 · · Score: 1

      It sounds like you arent keen on freedom of speech. I know what happens. Its called freedom. Some people may get their feelings hurt, and they may choose not to express because of that. Choose. That is the nature of freedom. Not force.

    3. Re: My freedom not yours, say the usuals. by Lenny1791 · · Score: 1

      Also, if the "assholes start dominating the discussion" then I would find out why instead of just calling them assholes. Its probable that they dominate the discussion because they are right, and just because your differing point of view is not the feature anymore does not mean the forum is useless, in fact that sounds like progress, learning by the community as a whole.

    4. Re: My freedom not yours, say the usuals. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Again, I've watched this happen. The defining thing about the assholes is not that they're right or wrong, but that they dominate the discussion in quantity of posts and use the forum for their own discussions, typically unconnected to the subject of the forum, and can get insulting. Eventually, the people interested in the topic decide that it's not worth burrowing through the crap and the abuse and they move away, leaving the forum to the assholes to use for their own stupid purposes.

      This has nothing to do with right or wrong. I've been in situations where I was in a very small minority on a particular topic being discussed. I'm perfectly comfortable in that situation, as long as the discussion remains civil and reasonably on topic. I find those situations good learning experiences, even if I don't change my opinion, and I rather enjoy them.

      This is also not a freedom of speech issue. If you are in my house, I'm happy to let you express different opinions, and I'll join in the arguing and maybe we'll all learn something. One of my friends said he had smart friends with weird political views, I told him that coincidentally I had the same issue, and everything was fine. If you get obnoxious or insulting I will take some sort of action, which might well be to ask you to leave, and exercise your free speech rights somewhere else. By doing this, I keep exposed to different points of view (although to be honest it can drive my wife up the wall), and we all stay friends. In other words, I'm not at all coming from an anti-free-speech or everybody-must-agree-with-me angle.

      Twitter is a private service, trying to give lots of people a good experience so they can get money out of the situation somehow. If most people have a bad experience, the company dies. For this reason, they have a vital interest in keeping the conversations more or less civil. If you want a different sort of service, feel free to start one. That's what freedom of speech is all about: you don't get to say anything you want on somebody else's site, but you can start your own and try to attract people.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  28. Indirect threats of violence? by russotto · · Score: 2

    Let's see if they start using the banhammer for #killallmen and the like. I wouldn't be holding my breath.

  29. What a difference a few moths make by russotto · · Score: 1

    Twitter CEO Dick (oops) Costolo, on harassment in a Salon article

    "Well, it's a complex issue," he said on the topic of Twitter's pattern of inaction when it comes to online harassment. "By way of example, in the wake of the news of that internal memo going out, I'll get emails from people that say, 'I agree, and here's a great example of someone being harassed on the platform' -- and it's not at all harassment, it's political discourse. And, in fact, fairly rational political discourse. So you know these things have lots and lots of varying degrees: Was that really harassment and abuse? Or is that discourse?"

  30. Can someone explain to me why this is a thing? by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 2

    I mean, I've no love for SJW-type whining identity politics (which is sadly what much of progressive politics has turned into), but what exactly are the stakes in the Gamergate debacle? Are gamers particularly worried that the industry is going to stop including sexy women and cliched plots to sell games? Because that's fucking stupid. The gaming industry will do that maybe 20 years after Hollywood stops.

    So, I mean, are there any stakes at all here for the anti-SJW camp? Are there laws being debated in Congress? Are gamers being discriminated against? It's annoying to hear journalists pontificate about shit they don't understand, but that includes damn near anything they talk about. It's perhaps even worse to have to listen to a manufactured controversy, but still....

    Why should we care? Let them troll away and then it all goes away once the journalists get bored with it. There are plenty of pro-egalitarian (i.e. anti-SJW) battles to be fought that have actual consequences, but this doesn't seem to be one of them.

    Or am I really so old that I'm failing to realize that being a gamer really is a cultural identity and they really are being discriminated against?

    1. Re:Can someone explain to me why this is a thing? by russotto · · Score: 1

      I mean, I've no love for SJW-type whining identity politics (which is sadly what much of progressive politics has turned into), but what exactly are the stakes in the Gamergate debacle? Are gamers particularly worried that the industry is going to stop including sexy women and cliched plots to sell games? Because that's fucking stupid. The gaming industry will do that maybe 20 years after Hollywood stops.

      Check out SJW-Thor or much of modern science fiction to see what sort of damage they can wreak in related media.

      Gamergate is just one front in a very large cultural war. It's most distinguished by being the place the SJWs hit the most resistance. Comics have gone over. SF&F has gone over, except Baen and a few small publishers. Tech as a whole is fighting a losing battle of attrition. Linux is holding out, but probably only as long as Linus himself stays in it.

  31. Re:Damn those 'hatemongers' by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Sure. That's what freedom of speech is for. I want you to be able to say such things. I'll pay attention to maybe two sentences before I dismiss you as a kook and ignore you thereafter, but you should be able to say it..

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    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  32. Definitely Bigger Than Games by Kunedog · · Score: 1

    Sorry this comes so late, but yes, there are reasons to care about Gamergate even if you don't care about video games. How about the censorship campaign that compromised vast swarths of the internet, including nearly the entire games press, Reddit and no less than 4chan itself for fuck's sake. The fact that there exists a faction willing and able to carry out such a campaign is IMO the most revealing (and shocking) part of efforts to stomp Gamergate out of existence. For anyone who witnessed it firsthand, “Nobody is going to take your games away” makes for a rather trite and feeble reassurance.

    Hopefully you can also be persuaded to care about journalists giving positive coverage to their friends without disclosing those relationships. And to care about journalists printing misinformation to push an agenda, instead of simply reporting the news. Read up on Rolling Stone's fake UVA rape story if you haven't already. The parallels to the Gamergate scandal are uncanny, and neither can be explained away by a mere lack of understanding on the journalists' part. And take notice of how many articles, even after the story was known to be horseshit, still try to push forward a ""silver lining" narrative that RS's reporting "raised awareness" about the "important issue" of "rape culture" on campus.

    And it's not just games they want to dictate the content of. This has happened in comics, sci-fi, atheism, music . . . pretty much any subculture they think they can get away with co-opting and controlling. If that still doesn't hit close enough to home, remember that Slashdot ownership/editors have proven to be on the pro-corruption and pro-censorship side of the Gamergate controversy (in a total 180 from /.'s anti-Jack-Thompson days), and therefore you haven't been allowed to read a single article here describing anything in my GP post (i.e. anything about the actual journalism scandal). And that kind of censorship probably isn't limited to game content either.

    Hope that helps.