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i can do better than examples, i can point to ancient themes

arrogance. hubris. pride

it is identified in all ancient human cultures as a weakness

judaism:

http://bible.cc/proverbs/16-18.htm

"pride goeth before the fall"

christianity:

one of the seven deadly sins:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride

islam:

http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/charac/pride.html

buddhism, one of the five major afflictions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleshas_(Buddhism)#Five_poisons

etc., etc.

i myself am not religious, but obviously religions are major repositories of ancient wisdom and foolishness

you see it in all of these haughty posts. so self-certain, so blind to the effects of this wrong sense of superiority. it's a major cause of self-defeat throughout human history, in momentous ways and small, from family and romantic relationships, right up to international relations

blind foolish pride. a false sense of superiority. how much it has cost human civilization?

Iran sent their own children into minefields, walking slowly through them to clear a path by getting hit by mines, until the mines were exhausted. But no worries ! They gave them small little plastic keys, that the government claimed would take them to heaven "if" they died. They sent all the orphans they had. Why ? Because that's what muslim law says, orphans become slaves of the caliph, which Iran takes to mean they owe their lives to the government.

The keys called attention to the fact that, according to the highest authority of shi'a islam "to kill and be killed for allah is the purest part of islam".

http://www.themodernreligion.com/ugly/unholy.html

Islam is a barbaric, monstrous religion, and it's the real threat.

You're kidding, right ? It's a ridiculous claim that a muslim found out something centuries before "western" scientists ever did, without any substantiation or source. You're not seriously expecting a source I hope. Muslims claim this sort of absurdities all the time. Talking to them about this will teach you one thing : you'll never have to wait long for a violence once you start demanding realism.

The De Viginere cipher was discovered in the 16th century. It was, obviously, not cracked in the 9th. Worse than that, al Kindi never did any math at all, and his attempts to bring a tiny bit of reason into islam ended with his execution by religious "fatwa". Whatever little discoveries he made, we only know about them because Christian monks recorded them, muslims burned his books *and* the author, after beheading him, after torturing him. What this means, other than that even a tiny amount of reason is considered an enemy of islam worthy of execution is beyond anyone who has studied even a little bit of history.

The fantasy :
muslims "knew about interstellar galactic material in the 6th century"

The reality of idiocies defended by muslim scolars, TODAY :
muhammad and allah claim the sun sets in a muddy pool
Oh, and, btw, there is exactly 1 reason children are disfigured and die from polio (Obviously the disease is going to spread again in 5 years or so. I guess allah must really hate babies)
(needless to say the sun sets over the horizon. It obviously does not contact anything, nor does it appear to touch anything consistently)
(and to get into historical relations between islam and science : read up on, say, the colossus, or the library of alexandria, or look up just what the center of knowledge and richess in the ancient world was, before muslims brought their genocides and wars. Look up statistics like that a single city like Luxemburg has more cultural output than ALL muslim nations COMBINED. How small countries yearly output in books is easily 10 times the cumulative muslim cultural output of all time. I mean you cannot imagine just how bad islam fucked up. The region, the people, the disgusting wars, executions and the total absense of any culture worth mentioning)

I guess it doesn't take much to make idiots happy. Feel free to choose what you believe. However, may I point out I have one BIG problem with this piss-poor disgusting excuse for a religion. I don't mind any religion, really. I'm an atheist myself, and feel free to choose what to believe. However, I have a problem with muslims : the killings, the death, the disgusting executions, and the everlasting destruction of people and minds islam brings wherever it goes. You don't get to kill. Not with allah's permission. Not for racist reasons. No gendercide. Not for political reasons (just look at the frontpage of tomorrow's news). Not for religious reasons. The only thing muslims excel in, is genocide and massacres.

There is not a SINGLE muslim country that has managed to hold on to the level of technology that it had in the year 700 A.D. under islam. Not a single one. That's the sad reality. Christians split the atom, discovered the technology to keep 6 billion humans alive on this planet, and put a man on the moon, in cooperation with Jews and Atheists. That's reality.

This sick disease of a religion should be burned off the earth. Yes, you heard me. We should just end it, because the more delays, the more people wil

You're forgetting one of Islam's most distinguishing traits.

The texts make very clear reference to the idea that there should be no compulsion in religion. It's one of the most frequently emphasized and repeated themes running throughout it.

Although it's an inherently biased source, this page contains a good number of direct quotes supporting the above points.

Say what you will about the rest of the religion, but the Quran is crystal-clear on this issue.

If Islam spreads throughout Europe, it will be the result of cultural osmosis, just as was the case in Lebanon (which was inevitably bound to happen due the fall of European colonialism in general around that same time).

The notion of an "Islamic Crusade" is ironic at best.

In fact, mosquitoes are pretty good proof that there is no god. Why would a being of infinite good unleash such a horrible plague upon man?

If oil is the big key, why did the United States go into Afghanistan? There's no oil there.

Afghanistan might not have a lot of oil, but for years the US has been trying to install oil pipelines through Afghanistan to carry oil from the Caspian Sea (sitting on 200 billion barrels of oil).

Afghanistan + Oil = "Crusade against terrorism"

"The pipeline was to run from Turkmenistan via Afghanistan to the Port of Karachi. However the Taleban refused. Until now America has not been successful in persuading the Taleban to change its mind."

Gee, why do you think he has so many recruits... you don't think American foreign policy would have anything to do with it, do you?

If you're worried about OBL and his "army" of terrorists, you might want to check out the US Government's School of the Americas.

We practically made him the horror that he is now, anyway.

I believe the first bible to be translated into English was the Wycliff version. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. &lt--- Hey look a first on /. Someone asking to be corrected if they are wrong :)

Allthough most bibles don't properly TRANSLITERATE the names.

From http://www. the modernreligion.com/comparative/christ/bibleversion .htm

1. 1384 Wycliff
2. 1526 Tyndale
3. 1535 Coverdale
4. 1537 Matthew
5. 1539 Great Bible
6. 1568 Geneva Bible
7. 1568 Bishop's Bible
8. 1582 Rheims, New Testament
9. 1609 Douai, Old Testament
10. 1611 Authorized / King James Version
11. 1903 R.T. Weymouth, The New Testament in Modern Speech
12. 1913 James Moffatt, A New Translation of the Bible
13. 1917 The Holy Scripture
14. 1927 E.T. Goodspeed, The Complete Bible: An American Translation
15. 1944 Ronald Knox, The Holy Bible
16. 1946 The Revised Standard Version (The Common Bible)
17. 1950 The New World Testament
18. 1955 H.J. Schonfield, The Authentic New Testament
19. 1958 J.B. Phillips, New Testament in Modern English
20. 1958 The Amplified Bible
21. 1959 The Holy Bible: The Berkely Version in Modern English
22. 1961 The New English Bible
23. 1966 The Jerusalem Bible
24. 1966 Today's English Version
25. 1970 New American Bible
26. 1971 New American Standard Bible
27. 1971 Kenneth Taylor, The Living Bible
28. 1973 New International Version

Yahweh bless.