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all sugar based products from potatoes to celery

Potatoes have virtually no sugar, their carbs are in the form of starch. And celery has so little of any calorific nutrient in it that it's often considered that you actually burn more calories chewing it than you gain from digesting it. I would suggest that this kind of ignorance about the composition of even basic foodstuffs is part of what drives the trend to obesity.

sleep apnea (1 in 4 americans have it and most are healthy normal weight individuals have some form of it.

The figures are more like 4-5% (in middle-aged men, the most obese group in America), and yes it has been associated with conditions that make obesity worse. On the other hand, treating it with CPAP in conjunction with a weight loss program had no significant effect on weight loss ... which is the number 1 most effective treatment for sleep apnea.

I agree, obesity is a disorder of a complex system, and therefore cannot be attributed to just one factor. But even so, the factors that a person can control remain the same - their diet and exercise habits. Focussing on the other factors is not productive when you cannot control them.

Weight Watchers has already done this. And yes the app reads the UPC not the nutritional information. http://www.weightwatchers.com/templates/Marketing/Marketing_Utool_1col.aspx?pageid=1118811

On planet Earth, weight and mass) are roughly the same thing. I read the blurb to mean measuring the gravitational force on a molecule. I wonder if they used any experiments in space to get a baseline to measure against?

BTW, don't be confused by these weights and masses.

So I have a suggestion :)

Here's the link to what you need.

Wow - you should really fire your webmaster.

Every time I hit that link I get seamlessly redirected to http://www.weightwatchers.com/siteRequirements.asp x?PDA=false&javascript=False&cookies=False&browser Version=5&browserType=Firefox, with no chance to bail out, and nowhere to go from there.

And yes, cookies are turned on.

What shitty site-design.

looking out the window at the girls,

Damn, where do *you* work?

There. Still jealous?

Try Weight watchers

Yeah, IE-only sites are slowly getting extinct. However there is still one left: http://weightwatchers.com

If you send an email to tech support, they will tell you they support Netscape 6, but not Firefox (yes, they don't seem to care about NS6 and FF being essentially the same, obviously) but will send you a link to avoid the browser-lock.

Just for fun I send them an email about once per month with something like "Excuse me, I use Firefox and you sent me a link to get on your site and I lost it, could you pleeease resend it". Maybe when they will get enough emails they will finally realize that NS6 and FF is really the same and their browser-detection is useless?

(Why don't you send an email, too?)

try this ... http://www.weightwatchers.com/javascript=True&cook ies=True

Works fine for getting past their ignorance... ;) stupid ignorant bastards...

try this ... http://www.weightwatchers.com/javascript=True&cook ies=True

Works fine for getting past their ignorance... ;) stupid ignorant bastards...

One of the people I work with had the same problem with weight watchers so I sent them an e-mail. Their first reply was a sort of boilerplate suggesting that I "upgrade" to IE6, Netscape 7.0, or Safari. I sent back a reply, and here is their last reply to me (on April 19):

Dear (my name),

At this time, we support Internet Explorer, Netscape, and Safari browsers. We understand your desire to use Firefox and other browsers to view our website and we understand that there are ways to configure these browsers to allow you to do so. However, results may be erratic when using our site with a non-supported browser.

If the site requirements page is blocking your access to our site because of the browser that you are using, you can click any of the links in the footer on that page, which will allow you to access the site.

We appreciate your feedback and are constantly evaluating browser usage to make decisions on which browsers to support.

Sincerely,
Albert Dyer
Supervisor, Customer Service
www.weightwatchers.com

At least I got a reply back.

You haven't visited http://weightwatchers.com have you?

I went there with Firefox 1.0.4. If you examine the URL they forward you to and the site itself you learn that their web masters assume Firefox doesn't support JavaScript or Cookies, and there's no "Click here to use the site anyway" like button.

I had an exchange with their customer service a month or two ago about this, and their reply amounted to saying they wouldn't support an "unpopular" browser.

I sent back an article about Firefox having more users than all non IE browsers combines, and they sent back the same form letter about not supporting every browser.

Funny thing is, if I spoof my browser string as Internet Explorer 34691.0.45.72.22222 running on Windows THFFFT, the site works fine. I haven't signed up yet though, since I won't spend my money on a site that require me to futz around with obscure browser settings to work.

I also found it odd that their email replies seemed to consider Firefox to be an Opera variant.

I did. And if you use the USer Agent Switcher you can too from their website technical support contact form.

By the way, my custom setting for user agent switcher is:

User Agent:
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; ATTENTION IDIOT WITH BROKEN WEBSITE: Actual User Agent is Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040913 Firefox/0.10.1)

App Name:
Microsoft Internet Explorer ATTENTION IDIOT WITH BROKEN WEBSITE: Actual App Name is Netscape

App Version:
4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; ATTENTION IDIOT WITH BROKEN WEBSITE: Actual App Version is 5.0 (Windows; ))

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For example take this, they support Netscape7, but lock out Mozilla and Firefox.

The webmaster did not want to believe me when I told him those browsers are essentially the same (I had a rather lenghty email conversation with him), but he will when he gets enough complaints from enough different people.

STOP SENDING PEOPLE UP INTO SPACE TO BE DESTROYED YOU CUM GUZZLING BEAURACRATIC MONKEYS!!!!
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Check out Weight Watchers. It's a pretty easy-to-follow system to help you eat nutritiously, especially if you find the Hacker's Diet nearly incomprehensible.

Scientists say 50 grammes of sugar would keep a 40-watt light bulb lit for eight hours.

Now, what I will do, is to just connect this liposuction device with me and their innovation, turn my fat into hydrogen and fuel my car. I assume my excess kgs of excess fat will take me to whereever I want. Haha! Here we come McDonald's!

It's worked for alot of people. They are basically a support group with a membership fee. Lots of ways to exchange recipies, and more importantly, to understand exactly what affects which foods will have on your system. If you look at it shortsidedly, any idiot with a book on nutrition could come up with what they charge for. The long view of it is-- they actually did it, and in such a manner that it's easy to understand and becomes subconscious after a very short period of time.