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Re:Mercury
Now, to be fair, most of the vaccines in question have had that mercury removed, but still. The notion of blindly trusting big pharm companies makes me a little nervous to say the least.
You're right about not trusting corp's to do anything but make money. And don't be so sure about those vaccines being mercury free:
http://www.whale.to/a/mercury7.html----
During an investigation into the mercury issue, HAPI learned that
Thimerosal, a 50% mercury compound, is still being used to produce
most vaccines and that the manufacturers are simply "filtering it
out" of the final product. However, according to Boyd Haley, PhD,
Chemistry Department Chair, University of Kentucky, mercury binds to
the antigenic protein in the vaccine and cannot be completely, 100%
filtered out.All four vaccine vials tested contained mercury despite manufacturer
claims that two of the vials were completely mercury free. All four
vials also contained aluminum, one nine times more than the other
three, which tremendously enhances the toxicity of mercury causing
neuronal death in the brain.----
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Let the baby have the blood!
Instead of banking the cord, I would like to suggest you delay clamping of the cord and let the newborn have the blood themselves, when they're born. There are many benefits to this:
Prevention of anemia, Jundice, and many others.The above articles all state that there is no scientific reason for early clamping of the cord, and imply that there are significant benefits to waiting until the cord has finished pulsing to clamp and cut.
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Conspiracy theoristsI can't, for the life of me, figure out why conspiracies are always assumed not to exist.
I mean, it's not as though there's no one convicted of any conspiring, or anything. But it has become an automatism to link "conspiracy" with "crazy".And yet, who are the real extreme conspiracy 'theorists?' The ones who make a living doing it.
They're the ones who tap the phones of the Raging Grannies and peace activists. Those who trumpet a threat through media mouthpieces about badly concocted risks, like WMD, ignoring or downplaying real risks, like traffic and poverty and the Mob. The McCarthys and the JE Hoovers, shock jocks and NSA spooks. The makers of the 100,000 person 'no-fly' lists, who stop people from travelling because of the cover of the mystery novel they're reading. Commies in the woodpile and all that.
Oh sure, there are plenty of ineffective kooks who make the Lone Gunman series look tame, but they're badly outgunned, outfinanced, and make a good paintbrush for the 'crazy' tag that is both so legitimate and so admittedly expanded by black propaganda, fear, and other disinformation.
So, it is both planned and true that firm believers in alternate histories and shadow elites are crazy, because the evidence is so tainted, that to believe it wholly is to be inevitably duped. Still, some of the evidence is for real, right? Occam's Razor suggests that documents like the PAO's "Greater CIA Openness" and Pentagon's "Information Operations Roadmap" memos are real, and that there are always those-who-would-be-king pulling whatever strings they can grasp.
Here's the situation for media skeptics:
- you have to question nearly every source, cross reference, etc.
- it is extremely tiring and brings about malaise (an intended effect)
- on public fora like this, expect the spanish inquisition
How much of USA's population celebrates indefinite ideological domestic and global war? Millions. And the first casualty is always truth (sorry). To answer your first question: conformity is comforting, and authoritarian.
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Re:When Wealthy Christians and Crackpots Attack!
but don't think for a second that the leaders actually believe in any of it.
Actually, I read somewhere in the web (forgot where) that the leaders of Scientology are freemasons - just like the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses, whose founder was a 33rd degree mason. Other famous 33rd degree masons include Aleister Crowley (famous satanist), Joseph Smith (mormonism), Gerald B. Gardner (wicca), Dr. Wynn Westcott (Societas Rosicruciana), and... George Bush, Father. -
Re:Papers please!
To paraphrase Jim Garrison who was speaking of Nazi Germany when he said that it was not a German phenomenon...
He must have gotten wind of this. (pdf) The craving for authority is universal. -
Re:Cancer Industry
Also read about the suppression of Laetrile (vitamin B17), a substance found in fruit seeds (usually taken from apricot kernels) that has cured cancer for many people. (that site also has lots of information about other antics of the 'medical mafia')
It's a horrible reality to wake up to, but the pharmaceutical industry generally has a vested interest in people being ill, in promoting a very limited medical paradigm that focuses on suppressing symptoms with drugs rather than understanding causes, and especially in not curing the dreaded 'uncurable' diseases like cancer. Quite simply, if everyone is healthy, who will they sell their drugs to?
;)Of course, most people just don't want to hear this, because they want the comfort of 'knowing' that if they get ill they can go to the doctor and get something that will make them better. The pharmaceutical companies have been able to exploit fear of disease very effectively and present themselves as the saviours, to the point where many people assume that if a medicine has been made in a big factory and comes in a pill or a syringe then it's been proven to be safe and effective - yet anything based on naturally occuring substances or that is non-chemically-based is treated with suspicion or outright hostility. The brainwashing is so complete that mainstream 'debate' often starts with assuming that some new 'life-saving drug' is good and the only question asked - presented as a huge, difficult 'moral maze' - is who should cough up the money for it.
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Re:Cancer Industry
Also read about the suppression of Laetrile (vitamin B17), a substance found in fruit seeds (usually taken from apricot kernels) that has cured cancer for many people. (that site also has lots of information about other antics of the 'medical mafia')
It's a horrible reality to wake up to, but the pharmaceutical industry generally has a vested interest in people being ill, in promoting a very limited medical paradigm that focuses on suppressing symptoms with drugs rather than understanding causes, and especially in not curing the dreaded 'uncurable' diseases like cancer. Quite simply, if everyone is healthy, who will they sell their drugs to?
;)Of course, most people just don't want to hear this, because they want the comfort of 'knowing' that if they get ill they can go to the doctor and get something that will make them better. The pharmaceutical companies have been able to exploit fear of disease very effectively and present themselves as the saviours, to the point where many people assume that if a medicine has been made in a big factory and comes in a pill or a syringe then it's been proven to be safe and effective - yet anything based on naturally occuring substances or that is non-chemically-based is treated with suspicion or outright hostility. The brainwashing is so complete that mainstream 'debate' often starts with assuming that some new 'life-saving drug' is good and the only question asked - presented as a huge, difficult 'moral maze' - is who should cough up the money for it.
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Re:And what about the U.S.?Your headaches drinking diet soda were likely caused by either caffeine (which restricts blood flow) or the placebo effect. Shortly after the FDA soft-drink approval, Searle began test marketing, and complaints began to arrive at the FDA -- of such reactions as dizziness, blurred vision, headaches, and seizures. The complaints were more serious than the agency had ever received on any food additive, At the same time, scientists began looking more closely at this manufactured chemical sweeetner.
In 1985, the FDA asked the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to review the first 650 complaints (there are now over 10,000). CDC found that the symptoms in approximately 25% of the complainants had stopped and then restarted, corresponding with their having stopped and then restarted, either purposely or by accident, aspartame consumption.
The CDC also identified several specific subjects whose symptoms stopped and started as they stopped and started consuming aspartame. The FDA discounted the report. The day the FDA released the CDC report, Pepsi Cola -- having obained an advance copy -- announced its switch to aspartame with a worldwide media blitz.
Former White House Chief of Staff Rumsfeld owed a debt of gratitude to former White House confidante and Rumsfeld friend Donald Kendal, Pepsi's chairman. The Pepsi announcement and aggressive marketing (millions of gumballs, a red and white swirl, tough contracts) made NutraSweet known in every home.
At the same time, according to data released in 1995, human brain tumors like those in the animal studies rose 10% and previously benign tumors turned virulent. Searle and FDA's deputy commissioner said the data posed no problem. Two years later this same FDA official became vice president of
clinical research for Searle.
From 1985 to 1995, researchers did about 400 aspartame studies. They were divided almost evenly between those that gave assurances and those that raised questions about the sweetener. Most instructively, Searle paid for 100% of those finding no problem. All studies paid for by non-industry sources raised questions. -
Re:rots your brain as wellworry about being above the FDA guidelines.
Now, yes, of course, it's possible that the FDA data is out of date. Yes, it's possible that there hasn't been enough study and maybe the acceptable levels of sodium benzoate need to be adjusted. Have you considered that the FDA is corrupt? -
Re:Autism ratesIf you look at a chart of the number of smallpox cases, it'd clearly show that the vaccine came into the picture just as the disease was burning itself out.
What Was Smallpox?
Smallpox was an infectious viral disease, which was evident for centuries in places with poor sanitation, poverty, and malnutrition. Hundreds of thousands died, and there was no cure. The infectious agent was Orthopox variola. [2] By the end of the 18th century the disease was following the natural course: burning itself out on the human population, confining itself to those with the lowest immune capabilities.
Smallpox was the first disease for which vaccination was tried. It all started with Edward Jenner at the end of the 1700s.
The story that we find in 99% of standard references is that Jenner's vaccine saved the world from the dread smallpox, which had plagued the human race for centuries. Mass inoculation programs were instituted in many countries worldwide, usually backed by the government. The vaccine supposedly immunized the people for life. If the legend starts to sound a little whitewashed, there's a reason why. So let's start at the beginning. ....
-True History of Smallpox Vaccine
Google turned up this page too: Smallpox vaccine failure quotes:Philippines (1918-1920):
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"When the Philippines were taken over by the U.S.A., in 1898, they became a shop-window for the sale of vaccine. They had had plenty of vaccination, of course, under Spanish rule, but the Americans began to clean the place up, and the smallpox figures took a big dive, as might have been expected--and the vaccinators took the big bows, as usual.
The sale of vaccine was enormous. The health reports prove this--an account rendered for the taxpayers to pay. When, however, the inevitable epidemic came, in 1918-20, it is worth noting that, out of a population of 10,000,000, the huge total of 71,000 deaths was more than equalled by several other epidemics during the same three years. Malaria took 93,000, influenza 91,000, tuberculosis 80,000, while dysentery, cholera and typhus together took another 70,000. It will be seen, therefore, that, during one of the very worst epidemics in all history, the deaths from smallpox were well below 1 per cent of the population. Yet we are always being told of the millions of lives saved by the noble work of Jenner and his prosperous followers."--Lionel Dole
I had teh chicken pox once, with a total of 10 pox - the minimum threshold for being diagnosed with "Chicken Pox". Follow the money, and it'll all make sense. Vaccines are unnecessary for people with healthy immune systems, but Big Pharma can't profiteer on garden products - hence the government mandates. -
Re: Related to stem cells causing cancer, too
I'm really sorry to hear about your daughter. I have no explanation for it...but at one point I studied alternative cancer treatments fairly heavily for many years. My job has changed so much that a lot of the free time I used to have has vanished, though, so I don't get to follow it as closely as I used to.
Many years of research led me to believe that diet and lifestyle play a large role in cancer. But the whole issue is really tricky. Personally, I became a vegan, lost a ton of weight, and felt better than I have felt in many years, but the more research I did, I kept running into people who were vegans for many years and just fell all to pieces. Their teeth and hair fell out, or they developed things like MS...or worse. (Now some people did do good, long-term, but the ones that did, seemed like they had a ton of money and made up the difference with expensive foods and supplements that the normal person just can't do, and unfortunately, these are the people that write the books telling everyone how fantastic their diets are).
In fact, the more research I did, I came to the conclusion that cutting out meat entirely was a little risky, so I added back game meat and organic meats to my diet (And eventually, I got so broke, I just went back to the SAD diet because I couldn't afford quality food anymore. Right now, I'm working on getting back to eating healthy again).
My personal stand on diet is, I 100% believe that a vegan diet is fantastic for a short-term cleansing, especially for cancer. I'm less confident of vegan and even vegetarian diets for the long haul, even though the research shows that vegetarians can be healthier than those on the SAD diet. In fact, if you read any of my writings, I recommend a reduced-meat diet, and that the meats be of high quality. A couple of books that I recommend are the "Paleo Diet" and "Neanderthin," ... but read them from a very reduced meat point of view, not the authors "gorge yourself on meat" point of view.
But the deal is, even organic produce is lacking in vitamins and minerals, compared to produce from just thirty or forty years ago, and some very important cancer-fighting vitamins have all but vanished from the American diet. I think it is nothing short of a miracle that we do as well as we do. And I hate to sound doom and gloom, but I don't see things getting any better.
There are also other factors involved, too. If you look at studies of people deep in some forest in China, they have a cancer rate that is a fraction of what we have here in the US...but even they are not cancer free.
What really burns me up, though, is that for those that do get cancer here in America, the "Land of the Free," you have to leave the country to get non-toxic treatments.
I've read about this so much that I truly know what you are going through, and my heart goes out to you.
My web sites, though I don't get to work on them much anymore, are www.vitaminb17.org and www.roadtowellsville.com
Now I have thrown out vitamin B17, and the quack flags will be flying, but I believe that the body has its own way to fight cancer, which is enzymes, but failing that, there was a dietary backup plan in the form of a vitamin...a vitamin which has all but vanished from the American diet.
There is a good book about it here:
http://www.whale.to/m/binzel.html
I had a close friend, a fine upstanding person, who not only knew the doctor, a real MD, that wrote the above book, but also knew one of the patients mentioned in the book. It was this friend who got me into my studies to begin with.
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Re:One more vote for the Conservatives, then?
it's simple really
.. Tony Blair and most of the Labour government are not true liberals .. they just ran as liberals to get elected .. something that has been going on for quite sometime now .. they just use a softer stance to appear to be a better chose than the hard line conservatives .. the majority of all politicians are members of the ruling class .. regardless of which party they belong to ..
they also own the media by the way .. not to mention the banks etc.
this all really happened in and around 1948 .. the year that Orwell wrote 1984 .. with the arrival of broadcast and cable TV ..
party politics democracy is a ruling class ..
simple majority democracies are noting but limited dictatorships .. calling themselves democracies ..
in a real and true democracy .. there and be no representation in lieu of the people .. party .. constitution .. or otherwise ..
but as Stanley Milgram and others have pointed out .. that 65% and upward .. of any given population can be counted on to simply submit to authority .. it's a done deal ..
and the ruling class is very well aware of this fact ..
http://www.stanleymilgram.com/
modern technology is just making it possible for the ruling class to have the amount of control and power that they have always wanted ..and thought was their birth rite anyway .. but did not have the man power or means to make it so ..
a good place to start investigating .. Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars .. the 25 anniversary is believed to be referencing to the first Bilderberg meeting ..
http://whale.to/b/dyke.html
http://whale.to/b/silentweapon.html
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Re:One more vote for the Conservatives, then?
it's simple really
.. Tony Blair and most of the Labour government are not true liberals .. they just ran as liberals to get elected .. something that has been going on for quite sometime now .. they just use a softer stance to appear to be a better chose than the hard line conservatives .. the majority of all politicians are members of the ruling class .. regardless of which party they belong to ..
they also own the media by the way .. not to mention the banks etc.
this all really happened in and around 1948 .. the year that Orwell wrote 1984 .. with the arrival of broadcast and cable TV ..
party politics democracy is a ruling class ..
simple majority democracies are noting but limited dictatorships .. calling themselves democracies ..
in a real and true democracy .. there and be no representation in lieu of the people .. party .. constitution .. or otherwise ..
but as Stanley Milgram and others have pointed out .. that 65% and upward .. of any given population can be counted on to simply submit to authority .. it's a done deal ..
and the ruling class is very well aware of this fact ..
http://www.stanleymilgram.com/
modern technology is just making it possible for the ruling class to have the amount of control and power that they have always wanted ..and thought was their birth rite anyway .. but did not have the man power or means to make it so ..
a good place to start investigating .. Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars .. the 25 anniversary is believed to be referencing to the first Bilderberg meeting ..
http://whale.to/b/dyke.html
http://whale.to/b/silentweapon.html
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symptoms vs. causeyou are correct to question the relationship between these plaques and the dementia known as alzheimers.
To paraphrase a quote:
'Modern medicine had tried to cure the symptoms of disease. The Cayce readings focused on building a healthy body that could throw off disease and disorder.' (emphasis added. pretty sure the quote is from With This Gift.)
The problem with curing a symptom is that the cause of the problem always manifests itself in a new form.
For example, the primary factor in polio outbreaks was the large amount of sugar consumed in industrial countries:... The fact that polio has not been prevented by advanced sanitation and hygiene indicates that its incidence is controlled and influenced by factors quite different from the factors that bring about the spread of typhoid and the other diseases. As previously stated, advanced sanitation and hygiene are to be found in the richer countries, and one of the unfortunate evils that accompany wealth is the consumption of sugar in the form of luxury foods such as ice cream, candies, soft drinks, cakes, pies, pastries, and the like. Poor countries cannot afford luxury foods, sanitation and hygiene. That is how I would explain the greater incidence of polio in countries with advanced sanitation and hygiene. The following table shows the extreme differences in sugar consumption in various parts of the world and it will be readily noted that the countries with the lowest sugar consumption are most backward in sanitation and hygiene.
Thus we see that sugar consumption is by far the greatest in the richer countries where one would also expect to find advanced sanitation and hygiene. Epidemics have occurred with the greatest frequency and severity in the high sugar consuming countries. In fact, epidemics have never been reported in the natives of the low sugar consuming countries, such as China.
-http://www.whale.to/v/sandler12.html
Sure, polio was conquered by a vaccine. But now we have epidemics of cancer, heart disease, alzheimers, and many other degenerative diseases.
I suspect that my greatgrandparents were much healthier than my grandparents. They lived their lives, and had a relatively quick decline (1-2 years?) before they died. My grandparents have been living in a long, slow (multi-decade) downward spiral into infirmity. Improvements in lifespan today can primarily be attributed to modern sewage systems, and improved survival rates for children less than 5.
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Re:Powerwatch is a company, not a nonprofit.Firstly, I hate to lower myself to grammar nitpicking, but for one who works in the scientific community your ability to spell, punctuate, and properly conjugate words is severely lacking.
Secondly, you cannot expect me to accept "I work in the scientific community" when you provide no credentials to me whatsoever. If you intend to have a debate with me on this, and you are so confident in your scientific qualifications, why not forgo the anonymous coward route?
Onto the "meat and potatoes" of your post (if you will)...
"The study suggests that there is no substantial risk of acoustic neuroma in the first decade after starting mobile phone use. However, an increase in risk after longer term use or after a longer lag period could not be ruled out." -- This is the last line of your first source, did you even read this? The risk increases were marginal, and could be ruled as coincidental. It's also important to note that acoustic neuroma is neither a brain tumor, nor a cancer. (Also, it's rather bothersome to me that none of your reports are full-text, how can I draw accurate judgment of your sources without full text? That is like reviewing a book by reading its sleeve.)You extol Alasdair Philips as an expert and one who is qualified to make conclusions about the dangers of EMF and microwave affects on people, yet he doesn't seem to be a doctor, and the medical condition he speaks of isn't listed on WebMD or Wikipedia leading me to think that it's likely a farce. In fact, if one takes even a short browse of his website, they will find several dubious looking things, all of which are enough to evoke the skepticism of someone of such esteemed scientific credentials as yourself.
You scoff at me for talking about the EMF of other devices and state that they only operate on the 50-60 Hz frequency range, and from that I can deduce that you mean to tell me that this frequency range is not dangerous to humans however, the man you speak of as being some sort of expert on the subject has posted a number of papers on how living under or near power lines can raise cancer risk.
And finally, you cannot tell me that "money-grabbing wacky organizations" cannot get significant coverage on large networks. In the United States, every news network in the entire country has covered right-wing religious organizations and their attempts at banning the teaching of evolution to children in schools and its replacement with the pseudo-scientific hokum that is "intelligent design." These groups have not only gotten coverage from media outlets, but they have even received what could be considered positive coverage by some. Extreme and sensationalist points of view make good news, they entertain people and they get more viewers, it's not at all surprising that your news outlets covered Mr. Philips for this reason.
Your argument holds very little water, while you're correct on two things: that it has not been unquestionably proven that EMF does not cause cancer, and we are being exposed to more microwaves than ever before, you fail to provide any proof that Alasdair Philips is anything more than a opportunistic hack, or that microwave EMF causes cancer. Your subsequent source postings are lackluster google attempts at finding something to back up your assertions and, perhaps worst of all, it seems that the goal of your post was simply to insult me. You can walk around in
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Re:Freedom and Free Software
Which is WHY China is and SHOULD be using Linux/FLOSS. I myself have said in the past:
If you have any value of your personal, business or governmental responsibility and desire self preservation and independence then you WILL consider microsoft (lower-casing/deprecation of ms' shoddy name intended) for what it is (by default or by intent) as a secret back door to the US NSA and other nations friendly to the USA.
But, don't forget: It's not just China in on Linux-- Japan and other nations in Asia (right or wrong, personal or business) are "collaborating" (in the Asian preservation sense, not the pejorative (aka, Western racist) sense) to make their own regional Linux. TurboLinux is hot in Japan. I've seen the boxes on the shelves in Akihabara. I saw them in Users Side (but not the one in San Jose) or other stores like Laox, and a few others, but some stores there, even in JAPAN, downright refuse to sell or speak Linux. They are far up mshaft's butt (or, each others') purely (I suppose) for profit.
But, back to security, even Lotus Development was found to
See:
TP: Only NSA can listen, so that's OK
http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/2/2898/1.html
Codename: Echelon: http://www.cybercitycafe.com/explore/echelon.html
But, as for mshaft:
http://www.whale.to/b/nsa3.html
These companies, and many other in the US, which create massively-deployed software that happens to have encryption capabilities MUST (read: are legally required or face jail and fines for failing to) supply the US-designated escrow company those keys, something like every quarter. I once saw some of those "men in black" wearing shades entering a building where I once worked. I quipped to a co-worker: "Who are they? NSA? Coming to pick up crypto?" The guy turned red and admonished me to not be so aloud saying that, and then went on to say that's EXACTLY who and why they were in the building.
ANY software company that ships products with crypto is definitely acting as an agent of the (pick your country) government, ostensibly so the government can track down and prosecute the bad guys. But it's gotta be and OUGHT to be frightening when mshaft's shit is de-facto on every friggin' system (93% or more, depending on the country) by default. Sometimes I think the anti-trust trials were just smoke and mirrors to distract the masses. -
Some alternative uses hinted at. . .
ALEXANDRIA BAY, N.Y. -- Security officials gathered Monday at a Canadian border crossing to mark the first test of a radio frequency identification system to be used by foreign visitors.
If successful, radio "tags" carried by travelers will be part of the standard registration process for those entering the United States.
The technology is like that used to speed passage at toll booths on many highways, said P.T. Wright, the operations director for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's US-VISIT Program [. . .].
-Full story here
Some other interesting thoughts here.
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Re:New Test subjects?Well here is just a small list of incidents that can easily be verified:
The CDC Tuskegee experiment
1955 - Army Chemical Corps continues LSD research, studying its potential use as a chemical incapacitating agent. More than 1,000 Americans participate in the tests, which continue until 1958. 1955 - The CIA, in an experiment to test its ability to infect human populations with biological agents, releases a bacteria withdrawn from the Army's biological warfare arsenal over Tampa Bay, Fl. 1953 - Joint Army-Navy-CIA experiments are conducted in which tens of thousands of people in New York and San Francisco are exposed to the airborne germs Serratia marcescens and Bacillus glogigii. 1953 - CIA initiates Project MKULTRA. This is an eleven year research program designed to produce and test drugs and biological agents that would be used for mind control and behavior modification. Six of the subprojects involved testing the agents on unwitting human beings. 1953 - U.S. military releases clouds of zinc cadmium sulfide gas over Winnipeg, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Fort Wayne, the Monocacy River Valley in Maryland, and Leesburg, Virginia. Their intent is to determine how efficiently they could disperse chemical agents. 1953 UK. NAZI scientists were involved in the nerve gas research that led to the 'suspicious' deaths of at least 25 ex-servicemen at the top secret Porton Down base. [Media] British nerve gas death tests 'had Nazi scientists' 1951 - Department of Defense begins open air tests using disease-producing bacteria and viruses. Tests last through 1969 and there is concern that people in the surrounding areas have been exposed. 1950 - Department of Defense begins plans to detonate nuclear weapons in desert areas and monitor downwind residents for medical problems and mortality rates. 1950 - I n an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Franciso. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the city in order to test the extent of infection. Many residents become ill with pneumonia-like symptoms. 1947 - Colonel E.E. Kirkpatrick of the U.S. Atomic Energy Comission issues a secret document (Document 07075001, January 8, 1947) stating that the agency will begin administering intravenous doses of radioactive substances to human subjects. 1947 - The CIA begins its study of LSD as a potential weapon for use by American intelligence. Human subjects (both civilian and military) are used with and without their knowledge. 1946 - Patients in VA hospitals are used as guinea pigs for medical experiments. In order to allay suspicions, the order is given to change the word "experiments" to "investigations" or "observations" whenever reporting a medical study performed in one of the nation's veteran's hospitals. 1945 - Project Paperclip is initiated. The U.S. State Department, Army intelligence, and the CIA recruit Nazi scientists and offer them immunity and secret identities in exchange for work on top secret government projects in the United States. 1944 - U.S. Navy uses human subjects to test gas masks and clothing. Individuals were locked in a gas chamber and exposed to mustard gas and lewisite. 1943 - In response to Japan's full-scale germ warfare program, the U.S. begins research on biological weapons at Fort Detrick, MD. 1942 - Chemical Warfare Services begins mustard gas experiments on approximately 4,000 servicemen. The experiments continue until 1945 and made use of Seventh Day Adventists who chose to become human guinea pigs rather than serve on active duty. 1945 - "Program F" is implemented by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC). This is the most extensive U.S. study of the health effects of fluoride, which was the key chemical component in atomic bomb production. One of the most toxic chemicals known to man, fluoride, it is found, causes marked adverse effects to the central nervous system but much of the information is squelched in the name of na -
Re:Time, July 1, 1974
http://www.whale.to/b/mindread.html
I checked it because I thought you were quoting from a Heinlein story featuring a Dr. Pinneo. I thought it was in "Green Hills of Earth", but I don't have a copy here right not...so I did the web search and I don't recognize it in the table of contents. I think the name was "Life-Line" (which the web reports as Heinlein's first sale).
There are indications that it was in the first editions(s?) of "The Man who Sold the Moon" (which,again I don't happen to have in front of me)...at least the title is present
Anyway, I suspect this of being a spoof, rather than a fake, but I can't prove either.
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Re:Possible dangersRemember, people were afraid of vaccines
And lots of people are still afraid of them such as http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html and http://www.mercola.com/2001/aug/18/vaccine_myths.
h tm for what they claim are very good reasons, including claims such as conflict-of-interest with vaccine manufacturers personel on regulatory boards, using children as guinea pigs without proper informed consent, supplying misleading information about historical disease patterns and whether vaccines really had a significant impact such as for measles, other disease cropping up to take the niche of supressed disease, known and unknown vaccine contaminates or preservatives potentially leading to cancer and autism, and more. This is one of the more balanced books on the subject: Vaccinations: A Thoughtful Parent's Guide: How to Make Safe, Sensible Decisions about the Risks, Benefits, and Alternatives by Aviva Jill Romm It includes a more complete history of Edward Jenner and early vaccination good and bad than in the typical purely pro-vaccine puff pieces on him.My point -- if the history of vaccines is anything to judge by -- nanotech will be pushed by greed and fraud and leave people wondering if the risk are woth the rewards -- and yet citizens will be left with few legal options but to accept nanotechnology in their daily lives because of government mandates ("what your child hasn't had all 30 required nano-implants -- well no public school or day care for them, and parents -- you go off to prison for neglecting your child's welfare!")
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Lyme, Gulf War Syndrome, and HIV...
The Connecticut town of Lyme (Old Lyme, and East Lyme as well) is less than ten miles away accross the Long Island Sound from Plum Island (If you were ever in the Navy and pulled out from New London or the Groton Sub Base, then youve been within 150 yardsof the place).
Mycoplasma Fermentans has been detected in patients of Gulf War Syndrome, Lyme Disease, and HIV in almost all cases. It is often also detected in Multiple Sclerosis patients, and the US Army released instructions to the Veterans Administration shortly after the Korean War that all MS cases developing within two years of a serviceman returning from Korea should be considered to be service related.
There is a connection that has been noticed by doctors in that area, as well as by doctors treating patients who have lived in that area in other locations.
There is also at least one patent held by the US Army for this organism.
It's good that there's covertage of some of the mishaps that occur at these facilities, but it seems that a "mishap" might not be enough to account for the problems that have been connected to the communitioes surrounding Plum Island and are spreading through the population. (Yes, Gulf War Syndrome is contagious, and did "originate" in many veterans who never left the states.)
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Re:Sad.
That's right! Humans who have experienced similar transformations are all living happier lives!
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Re:Sad.
That's right! Humans who have experienced similar transformations are all living happier lives!
Jump back in your SUV, nothing to see here, move along. -
Great! Push Prozac for "cyberchondria"!
And when this "cures" the patient's symptoms of cyberchondria, s/he won't do the internet research required to turn up the link between Prozac and the new symptoms of depression and suicidal thoughts s/he is experiencing.
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Re:Empowered patients...
Yeah, MMR. Definitely MMR. Yeah. It was... it was 1993, April 30 1993. Of course that was a Friday. Yeah, MMR stopped on Friday. Yeah.
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Re:"Corporatist"
Take the root word, corporate, and then ad the 'ist suffix to it and voila!, you've got a handy word that pigeonholes a certain group of people. Individual people I might add, and that's an important distinction because corporations are really just fictional creations used to describe the relationship of certain groups of people to each other and the rest of society.
That's SORT OF true. It's actually a bit closer to the way hierarchical religions tend to work: it is indeed comprised of people, but the people are indoctrinated to have the same primary belief system. Specifically that the most important thing your group can do is make more money.