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Helio's Sky Dayton recruited employees' kids
Mobile carrier Helio was founded by known Scientologist Sky Dayton. Like Diskeeper's founder, Sky Dayton also abused his position to promote Scientology, but Sky was a bit more subtle about it. On two occasions an Exchange meeting invite for a presentation located in a conference room in Helio's corporate headquarters was sent to the entire company. The invitation read, "Sky Dayton has invited representatives from his prep school alma mater, the Delphian School in Oregon [...] to do a presentation..." and contained a personal endorsement of the school by Sky. Questions were to be directed to a Helio employee in the Human Resources department. A quick bit of research revealed that the Delphian School is one of Scientology's many front organizations. Sky Dayton's recruitment of employees' children to Scientology did not stop until an employee threatened to sue under the EEOC.
You don't want to work for a Scientologist. Before you accept a job offer, find out whether the company is run by them.
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Religion: the ultimate free pass
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Re:Why?
xenu.net is a good source for a ton of info, but it's poorly laid out and, really, it's a bit of an information overload.
I usually recommend http://www.exscientologykids.com/ and http://www.whyaretheydead.net/ for a look into the damage done by Scientology.
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Re:Why?
Ooh, let's see...
There's the fact they separate their adherents from their families and then extract money from them.
There's the whole forced labour, separation from family and cruel punishment of children in their care thing (particularly look up Jenna Miscavige-Hill, neice of the current head of the CoS)
Umm, there's the fact that people have died in their care whilst being locked up and denied medical care
There's the fact that they have managed to get some state and national backing for their joke of a rehab scheme. Which, by the way, they claim is the most successful rehab scheme on the planet (without providing figures or evidence), whereas in fact its techniques basically involve a lot of the same psychological breakdown and cod science as scientology itself. This is sick, IMHO.
There's a lot of other stuff.
This is NOT about freedom of religion, or who believes what. This is about a dangerous organisation that have comitted felonies to try and wipe their record from government agencies and generally display a lack of respect for laws and lives, and yet is still in many coutries treated as a tax-exempt, legitimate religion.
Believe what the fuck you like, but you can't support the continued existance of the church of scientology.
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Re:Bizarreness matters too
"Oh, Scientology is not really any more far out than Christianity" (Subtext: this makes it "ok", it's like other bona fide religions and we let them stick around, right?)
I have heard this notion cast about for some time now, here at Slashdot and elsewhere, and it disturbs me that so many people miss the important point here. The issue is not whether Scientology is any weirder than other religions. Their bizarre beliefs are not in and of themselves the danger. The real danger is of the same kind we have seen before. It is very familiar, everyone here has probably read about it at one point or another, perhaps in a history book, or a newspaper.
And that danger is that to the average Scientologist the only hope for the world is through the philosophy of Scientology. It MUST be spread to every corner of the globe by whatever means necessary. Our society MUST be rewritten according to its standards and methods. And its current standards and methods are clear that any means are acceptable to reaching that end. ANY means. The laws, morals, ethics, etc. of the rest of the world are secondary and can be ignored if it means furthering the aims of Scientology.
THAT is the danger in a nutshell. As I have said, we have seen this sort of thinking before:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
And we have seen what happens when Scientologists are allowed to practice this "philosophy":
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/
http://www.scientology-lies.com/investigation.html
http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/index.htm
There are still other dangers to be considered as well. They turn people away from doctors, medicine and real mental help while giving pie-in-the-sky promises of curing all your problems (up to and including things like cancer, diabetes, schizophrenia, and homosexuality, which they consider a "mental illness"). Many have died believing Scientology would cure them.
Then there is the fact they their "disconnection" policies have, and are continuing to rip families apart: http://www.scientologydisconnection.com/
Children of Scientologists are often denied education, either by being discouraged to go to college (and in many cases any non-scientologist school), or if the parent is a staff member (or if the child is), they may be forced into a Scientology children's organization of one sort or another where they will receive a substandard education, if any. In my experience (which others shared with me and I have found out is all too common elsewhere), I was recruited at a young age and told that my education would be provided for. I and all the other children at the location I was at were given a 4-5 hours a day in a classroom-like environment in which we were to pair off and study "whatever". There were math books, science books, books on spelling and such. But there was no teacher, no curriculum, no grades, no structure of any sort. Often the class was cancelled if we were needed for more important matters (meaning anything to do with Scientology's well-being). To get around this we were all instructed and trained in how to lie if the city sent someone by to check on conditions there, and we were to tell them that we were always getting our study in.
I understand that there are some similar practices in other religions as well. I oppose these too. Religions that forbid surgery or blood transfusions, those that sucker people into "faith healing", all are doing a tremendous disservice and must be opposed.
Scientology too must be -
Re:Smear campaign by Scientology
This is the sort of thing that Anonymous does normally, though. Anonymous was not created for this anti-scientology crusade.
I know. It wouldn't make any sense to do something awful and attribute it to an enemy if the action is not plausible. But from what I understand, Anonymous' targets have been people who "offended" them in some way, or people so loathed by the general public that the majority will not object.
Anonymous attacking the "Church" of Scientology makes sense. Anonymous attacking random epileptics does not. Also, it's worth remembering that most epileptics are dependent on pharmacological treatment, and the "Church" claims that they can treat epilepsy without drugs. They are wrong, of course and have a body count to prove it.
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Re:IRL raids
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Scientology FRONT GROUPS
List of Scientology front groups, this is why we fight, these guys push their crap everywhere
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http://www.whyaretheydead.net/krasel/frontgroups.html
Plenty of govt agencies, politicians, mayors, companies, and schools have been duped into distributing Scientology propaganda by these groups.
or, often Scientology just distributes leaflets from these groups that CLAIM endorsement from upstanding non Scientology groups, quoted out of context, in the beleif no-one will check into it, or even if they do, the group concerned will be too afraid to speak up about it. This has begun to change (google or see entubulation for see the recent Coka-a-cola, Philips and Dell retractions, and the Mayoral compalins on wikileaks)
Scientology front groups
1. Maggie Council's list
This is a list of Scientology front groups, compiled from various sources. Criterion for inclusion on this list is that the connection must be mentioned in the media, and verifiable. Asterisks (*) next to a source indicates that the source is a Scientology publication.
The list was compiled by Maggie Council (council@luna.cas.usf.edu).
* ABLE Inc. - See Association for Better Living and Education
* Akademie Für Management Und Kommunikation - WISE member; business front to spread LRH and Scientology in Europe [Prosperity*]
* APPLIED SCHOLASTICS - FUnctions as an educational organization to spread LRH courses and Scientology ethics and beliefs in their schools. All schools licensed by Applied Scholastics are Scientology schools staffed and directed by scientologists. [Sci Adv*]
* ASSOCIATION FOR BETTER LIVING AND EDUCATION - RUns some of the church's front groups and activities. Under ABLE's management, other fronts infiltrate businesses and organizations to introduce LRH's ideas and methods. Includes Applied Scholastics, the Way TO Happiness Foundation, Narconon and Criminon. [Better Business Bureau] To get involved in education and community groups. Prmotes APplied Scholastics and other Scientology organizations. [Sci Adv*] [NHJ]
* Athens Gold - 4,500 acre mining property near Reno, CA, taken over by Michael BAYBAK, a scientologist [TIME]
* AUTHOR SERVICES, INC. - manages Scientology's literary and financial affairs controlled by the church and influential scientologists. [NHJ] To sell and promote books, particularly policy.
* BANCORP DEVELOPMENT, INC. - Members of the Patrons of the International Association of Scientologists (IAS) who have donated in excess of $40,000 to IAS' "war chest." [Impact*]
* BRIDGE PUBLICATIONS - Scientology publishing and printing company; puts out Dianetics and other LRH books.
* Business Success Sales and Management Training - Scientology front that lures people and businesses in with "management training" and seminars, and eventually steers them to LRH and Scientology. Members of IAS, donated to Authors Services Preservation of Tech.
* CALICCHIO & CO., SPA - IAS members who donated in excess of $40,000 to "war chest"; donated in excess of $20,000 to Author Services Preservation of Tech.
* CASA DOLCE CASA (Europe) WISE member fronting LRH tech in Europe [Prosperity*]
* Celebrity Center Kids on Stage for a Better World - Entertainment(?) nad PR, "THe group exists to spread the word of scientology to the rest of the world." {Celeb. mag*]
* Child Guidance Centers - Runs child Dianetics processing on children and encourages parents who are not already into Scientology to begin with Dianetics, etc. [Ch. Dia.*]
* CHURCH OF SPIRITUAL TECHNOLOGY (COST) - functions as an archivist fo -
Re:short answer
Especially since it's clearly stated in $cientology's doctrines that it's OK to ignore the law whenever convenient, e.g. as part of the harassment of a "suppressive person" (critic.) Their extremely large and well-paid lawyer army lets them get away with murder, literally in some cases.
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Re:Censorship vs. Karma
The fight against Scientology is not about censoring kooks. It's about judging people for kidnappings, wrongful deaths and murders, racketeering and what amounts to slavery.
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Re:I don't get it?
If that so-called "mosque" was allegedly responsible for the deaths of several of their members, then yes, I would say you were justified in picketing.
He was picketing because of the death of Lisa McPherson. But you know that and now so do those who choose to read the links. -
Re:Hmmm
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Don't Confuse Weight with Mass ...Like everything else, a domain name's WEIGHT depends on the gravity well it's in at any particular moment. The formula "worth its weight in gold" means a domain would be worth LESS on the ISS than on earth, but MORE on Jupiter. This is implausible (...although not impossible, if Jovians are fond of earth pron
... it may be why Jovian flying saucers buzz about implanting wireless connections in secret locations. But I digress ....)It is patently obvious that domain names are worth their MASS in gold, mass being a measure of the degree to which the domain name warps space-time about it. Massive (and therefore valuable) domain names attract web traffic effortlessly; it has been observed that some massive domains absorb apparantly endless amounts of energy, grossly increasing their value in gold.
Although earlier views held that this energy or effort, once absorbed, was gone forever, some very massive domains now appear to retain information in recoverable formats, with the attendant risk of uncontrolled release of dangerous amounts of information or its conversion into anti-information... but I digress...
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More real-life examples .... moronic lawyersBack during the start of the never-ending 'Net vs. Scientology online war the Scientology lawyers went after Keith Henson, they had him in a deposition one of the things was that they were trying to find out who was running the ftp server at 127.0.0.1 - seems Keith had joked on usenet about how many of scientology's secrets (probably the space alien stuff) were there, the scientologists had looked there and sure enough they were - Mr Henson was recorded by the court reporter as 'laughing hysterically'
Of course this is the same deposition where they tried to find out the real name of that evil 'majordomo' who was running all those anti-scientology mailing lists
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Re:Google AdWords
You can thank $cientology for that. Google won't let ads for search terms for $cientology point to sites like xenu.net, or whyaretheydead.net, or even the apologeticsindex site for it.
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Re:"Confidential" nature of religious documents?
The Catholic Church has never been comparable to Scientology.
Well, Scientologists don't burn people alive.
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Re:Suppressed DocumentsOdd, I though Hawaii didn't exist that many years ago (or the pacific).
You're right, a lot is wrong with Hubbard's Xenu fiction. Read Peter Forde's A Scientific scrutiny of OT 3 for some fun. He takes the whole story apart
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Re:Right
> It's not like the RIAA can just go into people's homes
> and start busting open computers for pirated music.
[ solely on the basis of alleged copyright infringement ]
Actually, they probably can, but have not yet adopted this tactic.
This is exactly what Scientology's OSA did to Dennis Erlich,
a former high-ranking Scientologist who started to discuss the
secret inner doctrines of Scientology on Usenet newsgroup
alt.religion.scientology sometime in 1994.
OSA went to a judge, alleged copyright violation, got an
ex parte writ of seizure, and ransacked Erlich's home,
tacking his computer and backups, and many paper documents
not covered by the writ.
The raid is described here, and
you can download a Real video of the raid here
Scientology is way out in front of the **AA on this copyright business.
They had the foresight to call Erlich, (and others who dared to
publicly discuss the Sekrit Skripchurs on Usenet)
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