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4,000 Anti-Scientology Videos Yanked From YouTube
An anonymous reader writes "From the EFF webpage: 'Over a period of twelve hours, between this Thursday night and Friday morning, American Rights Counsel LLC sent out over 4000 DMCA takedown notices to YouTube, all making copyright infringement claims against videos with content critical of the Church of Scientology.'"
Aren't DMCA notice senders supposed to be legally responsible for the accuracy of the notice? Where is the consequences for blatant abuse?
It's really simple - critique =/= infringement.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's a big no-no to use the DMCA knowingly falsely, right? Not that I think anything will come of it...
Hubbard-approved
Other than a strange misuse of the DMCA I mostly feel sorry for whoever had to go through and delete all those videos that quickly. They must have a hell of a dedicated workforce in that department.
In Soviet Russia meme tires of you!
By abusing the DMCA they can get slapped pretty heavy. Especially in light of the latest ruling that copyright owners must explicitly consider whether a suspected violation is fair use. Certainly if any of the folks that got harassed decide to litigate back they may well have a decent case.
From the article: "YouTube users responded with DMCA counter-notices. At this time, many of the suspended channels have been reinstated and many of the videos are back up."
Good for those YouTube users for responding with the counter notices.
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All your video are belong to us
bankrupting them through legal expenses? Time to mirror the content folks.
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Will we see DMCA Takedown notices claiming news stories like these infringe on the property of the lawyers who issued the original DMCA Takedowns? :P
Actually... I really shouldn't joke about that. It may just happen...
Admit it. You post strawman arguments as AC so you get modded Insightful for refuting them, rather than Troll
You can't win, Hubbard. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
Expect us
Of the clear abuse the law has provided.
More examples like this and the DMCA may get repealed, castrated, or at least altered to require judge approval of each takedown notice....
Running the risk of getting modded down, here's the COS's viewpoint on the entire matter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI
Out of curiosity, why is it that people get bent out of shape about this 'religion'?
I got to witness an anonymous rally in San Diego about a year or so ago and it was just silly. Yes, you and I may know the whole thing is a crock, but isn't there supposed to be freedom of religion?
Not looking to start a pissing contest, I'm just wondering where people get their priorities.
This is probably in response to anonymous's 08-08-08 campaign
For those who don't know about Scientology, this AFP news article summarizes the typical non-Scientologist's view of Scientology activities: The controversial Church of Scientology will be tried in a French court for "organised fraud".
This WikiNews report explains more about the current story: the alleged "rights group" does not exist as a physical entity.
hasn't scientology been exposed as a cult already?
they give science and ologies a bad name.
They're using their grammar skills there.
and anyone who tries to expose the scam gets declared "fair game", although they don't use that precise term anymore...
Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
We think Disney is bad? Imagine if the bible were copyrighted. It'd run the eternal life of the author plus 75 years. But with a religion so blatantly a business like scientology, what will copyright be like _next_ century?
And regards to those protesters, I just want to ask what has the Scientologists done to you - personally?
I have never heard anything where the Scientoloists have a policy of hurting people. Sure, they may use some heavy handed legal techniques, but it's within the legal system and apparently those judges involved thought they had grounds. And as far as charging folks hundred of thousands of dollars to get to a level - so what? It's their money. It doesn't harm anyone. There are folks who voluntarily give that much and more to their church, temple, etc...
The Church of Scientology isn't even on my list a problem organization. Some people need to get a grip and need to learn how evaluate things better.
Get the facts on their video channel. Nice advert to go with this article.
It states that the vids went down and the users counter-claimed and got the vids back up again.
"YouTube users responded with DMCA counter-notices. At this time, many of the suspended channels have been reinstated and many of the videos are back up."
... leaving them with 250,000 more to send.
I say go to it. The only way these jokers can know which videos to hit with a DMCA is to watch them. Maybe if they're exposed to anti-CoS messages enough, it'll start to crack through the brainwashing, and they'll free themselves.
So keep posting those videos, folks! It's good karma.
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Yay! I was wondering when Scientology was going to wield a big wad of cash to make this go away. Good for them, they are only proving the videos have information they do not want seen. I just hope the Anonymous movement against the church of Scientology can use this to pick up some momentum.
And this has been another installament of Captain Obvious!
How is this not a blatant abuse of the system in order to silence free speech? By this logic, it is perfectly within the legal rights of Google to shut down websites which oppose their ideals and corporation. Nice try Scientology... but ultimately an epic fail. Good job jacking up the PR (again).
"The best way to accelerate a Macintosh is at 9.8m/sec^2" -Marcus Dolengo
Part of the process of filing a counter-DMCA claim involves revealing your personal information to the party who initiated the DMCA complaint [http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?hlrm=en&answer=59826]. Given the Co$'s history of harassment, perhaps this is just a way of gathering information for retribution?
Do the anti-Scientology posters to youtube have to reveal information about themselves to Scientology Inc. through their counter-notices? Isn't this just a way for Scientology to get the identities of the posters?
Good heavens Miss Sakamoto - you're beautiful!
This makes me VERY ANGR--- --- This post was removed by legal request of the Church of Scientology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF9Um2GwgMQ
Send $5 and xerox photo ID to watchtower publications, BUTTWASH UTAH USA
Consider the possibility that the main aim of CoS was not simply to remove those videos, but to gather information about the people who posted them. Google DMCA Counterclaim information: http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=59826
2. Provide your full name, address, telephone number, and email address, and the username of your YouTube account. ...
What happens next?
After we receive your counter-notification, we will forward it to the party who submitted the original claim of copyright infringement. Please note that when we forward the counter-notification, it includes your personal information. By submitting a counter-notification, you consent to having your information revealed in this way.
CoS files false takedowns, Anonymous critics file counter-claims, CoS gets all of their personal information.
And yes, they do collect personal information and do exploit it to threaten and silence their critics. See, for example, the case of G. Allen. Allen was a regular guy who stopped by to look at the Anonymous protesters in February, with no real interest in the group, and then received a threatening letter from CoS because they ran his license plates and dug up his information to harass him.. and harass him they did. http://blackfish.biz/allen/?p=246
present day... present time... hahahaha...
Soon they'll be breeding us like cattle! You've got to warn everyone and tell them! Scientology is made of people! You've got to tell them! Scientology is people!
Years later, a doctor will tell me that I have an I.Q. of 48, and am what some people call "mentally retarded".
Could u still find them alive in the google cache??? I know google wont bend over for these arseholes
Don't forget the hungry lions...
Would make a good movie theme for Tom Cruise actually!
I only look human.
My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
I mean come on when you have a cult like CoS this needs to come out. I can't believe youtube(which is owned by google) is allowing this sort of nonsense to continue. I can't support youtube any longer if they are going to continue to infringe on free speech, i suggest you all do the same.
Not sure what they actually expected to gain from doing this. They will likely be in legal trouble and now they have just made the anti-Scientology videos more popular than ever. What asshats.
Dirty Fuckin Bastards!
The head of the Galactic Federation (76 planets around larger stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 years ago, very space opera) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet, 178 billion on average) by mass implanting. He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb on the principal volcanos (Incident II) and then the Pacific area ones were taken in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic area ones to Las Palmas and there "packaged".
His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means of circuits etc. was placed in the implants.
When through with his crime loyal officers (to the people) captured him after six years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap where he still is. "They" are gone. The place (Confederation) has since been a desert. The length and brutality of it all was such that this Confederation never recovered. The implant is calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it. This liability has been dispensed with by my tech development.
One can freewheel through the implant and die unless it is approached as precisely outlined. The "freewheel" (auto-running on and on) lasts too long, denies sleep etc and one dies. So be careful to do only Incidents I and II as given and not plow around and fail to complete one thetan at a time.
In December 1967 I knew someone had to take the plunge. I did and emerged very knocked out, but alive. Probably the only one ever to do so in 75,000,000 years. I have all the data now, but only that given here is needful.
One's body is a mass of individual thetans stuck to oneself or to the body.
One has to clean them off by running incident II and Incident I. It is a long job, requiring care, patience and good auditing. You are running beings. They respond like any preclear. Some large, some small.
Thetans believed they were one. This is the primary error. Good luck.
Maybe they feared some bad press coming for Will Smith?.
I'd like to think we were a stronger democracy than this too.
But I gotta believe my eyes. We The People are allowed to play our little game of self rule so long as we don't get in the way of Big Oil, Big Pharma, the Telco Gang, and the *IAAs, and so on. Which leaves us precious little to play with.
--MarkusQ
Someone else mark this funny, please!
Unless a post is hilarious, a Funny mod is worth basically -½, since sense of humour varies, and someone else is likely to mark the post -1 Overrated. They might, or might not, depending upon whether the post is funnier on the initial rater's clock, or the modder's.
This is true even is one is the first moderator and others push it up to an equilibrium, since the poster will be short of a point of Karma at any given level of moderation.
Funny should therefore be used ironically. For example, where someone has a hilarious and outrageous political opinion that one would not wish to reward. To act in any other way, one would have to be confident that funny mods would at least insulate against downmods, even if they didn't bring Karma in their own right.
Personally, I agree that funny shouldn't bring Karma unless the post gets to +5, whereupon it is worth a single point. But then, funny mods shouldn't cost any Karma either.
*?!#ing unicode. Well, /. should cope, just as it should understand the <p/> tag. I don't feel like fixing it.
Wikileaks, no DNS
That's a pretty good name for a company attempting to ensure that some aspect of free speech is squelched.
"It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." -Albert Einstein
Where have I seen this before? Hmm.....
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
Because everyone who has the time to make videos against the Church of Scientology has a legal dept and funds to boot. EFF will MAYBE fund something in the way of a class action suit (IANAL), but that doesn't mean the bulk of people will know how to bypass a DCMA take-down notice and get their lolz back.
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
It also opens them up wide to perjury charges, so it doesn't come without cost. Granted, there aren't a lot of people well-healed enough to take on Co$ lawyers, but when they use a scattershot approach like this, they have no idea who they might be shooting.
"It's my view that the people complaining most are the same Christians who hate Jews, Muslims and any other religious believers that don't follow their God.
I have no religion* and they hate me too."
You know that's not true. The Scientologists have made enough enemies online to have people spew hatred against them. If you respond to every criticism of your organization with lawsuits, even against websites that are just reposting other people's words, you'll end up making lots of enemies.
My family maybe Catholic, but I consider myself Atheist, and haven't followed Catholicism for a long time. I haven't liked Scientology for a long time, and it has nothing to do with my high school teachers attempts at defining cults. Come on - these bastards threatened THIS site with lawsuits over their "sacred OT3".
I have no problem with most Christians, aside from the ones that want their beliefs enforced by law. I have no problem with most Jews aside from the most conservative of Jews, and the ones that believe they are completely justified in their occupation of Palestine. I have no problem with most Muslims aside from the ones that again want their morality enforced by law, the ones that feel women should be subjugated to a different set of law, and the ones that support the likes of Bin Laden and irrational aggressors in Palestine.
And if you have no religion, but still believe in some social conservative horseshit, I won't like you either.
You go adhere to some fictional neo-Buddhist code Inda. There's no hate against that.
... or they might make me sit through Battlefield Earth again. :-(
The fact that it was necessary to display "This is what scientologists actually believe" on the screen while parodying the cult of scientology on Southpark speaks volumes. This is the show that puts a nuke up Hillary Clinton's snatch and a hamster up Mr Slaves ass in front of a class of school kids.
If a brave congressman read all thier so called "doctrine" into the public record would this break their so called claim of propriety?
I mean the Bibble is pretty much avail for all to quote as much as you like in order to be a religion all works must be copyright free, otherwise IT IS A CULT!
Tsukasa: All I really want, is to be left alone...
greed, fear & ego are unprecedented evile's primary weapons. those, along with deception & coercion, helps most of us remain (unwittingly?) dependent on its' life0cidal hired goons' agenda. most of yOUR dwindling resources are being squandered on the 'wars', & continuation of the billionerrors stock markup FraUD/pyramid schemes.
Holy smokes! You don't let up!
When are you going to figure out that nobody listens when they are bludgeoned? You won't wear people down, you'll just teach them to grow comfortable in filtering out your white noise. Heck, I find the kinds of topics you spew on about fascinating and worthy of exploration, but I can't even get through the first sentence of your sermon on the mount howling.
You sound like a lunatic, and not because of your concerns or your content. You're scary, and not because you're telling people things they don't want to hear, but because, simply put, you sound like you've done too many drugs and that parts of your brain have been destroyed. This can only lead people to associate your subject matter with brain damage and sickness. It is natural for people, on an instinctive level, to avoid people who show outward displays of disease and by association, the subjects and activities they immerse themselves in. --If you truly want to communicate, you have to stop shouting and start listening. It's a two way street. Until you learn this, you're going to be all alone in the wilderness talking to yourself, which is I suspect all you're really trying to do anyway. I even suspect that you might be doing this specifically to instill fear of inquiry in people. It would certainly not be the first time knowledge was attacked in this way. Question your impulses, because they are NOT helping.
-FL
A whole bunch of anonymous should join up and then destroy the church from the inside out.
As long as no one gets addicted to that much power.
Tsukasa: All I really want, is to be left alone...
Is why the folks at the national agencies aren't doing anything about it. I mean, they have clearly crossed the line. Where are the ATF and FBI guys that acted in Waco when you need them?
Were any of the videos placed anonymously? Will the Anons who placed them have to un-mask to defend them? Will this give Co$ a glimpse behind the masks?
I mean I am here from the Perseid Branch of Galactic investigations to destroy Scientology for spreading lies about our lord and master Xenu. I don't think they can run my plates and find out I am from another star system, I wonder just how good their Private Dicks are.....
Tsukasa: All I really want, is to be left alone...
am i being intolerant?
no: intolerance of intolerance is not intolerance
scientology is not interested in your rights and freedoms. scientology is intent on enslaving gullible fools. opposing scientology is about protecting rights and freedoms
read this, get a primer on why you should oppose this fungus:
http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-06-24/news/Scientologys-Crushing-Defeat/
this nonsense should be outlawed
am i being too harsh on an alternative religion?
a system of overt financial enslavement is a valid religion in your mind?
why must the definition of a free society include tolerance of institutions hellbent on purposefully destroying rights and freedoms?
if a con man duped you into writing him a check, do you have to tolerate that crime in the name of free expression?
then why don't you see that is all scientology is and that you must stand against it in the name of your cherishing of human rights and freedoms and dignities?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
Nit-pick - it's "well-heeled", as in "rich enough to afford good (well-heeled) shoes" (though I suspect your mistake was a typo).
It's official. Most of you are morons.
I think that the sanest alternative, given the separation of church and state and that the church does not pay taxes, is that materials published by any non-profit or charitable organization should not be copyrightable.
This is my sig.
By presenting to the court a pleading, written motion, or other paper - whether by signing, filing, submitting, or later advocating it - an attorney or unrepresented party certifies that to the best of the person's knowledge, information, and belief, formed after an inquiry reasonable under the circumstances:
(1) it is not being presented for any improper purpose, such as to harass, cause unnecessary delay, or needlessly increase the cost of litigation;
(2) the claims, defenses, and other legal contentions are warranted by existing law or by a nonfrivolous argument for extending, modifying, or reversing existing law or for establishing new law;
(3) the factual contentions have evidentiary support or, if specifically so identified, will likely have evidentiary support after a reasonable opportunity for further investigation or discovery; and
(4) the denials of factual contentions are warranted on the evidence or, if specifically so identified, are reasonably based on belief or a lack of information.
I've lost all my marbles except one & It's fun to test angular & centripetal acceleration in my skull
Did they put "This didn't really happen" on the screen during the scene .. and
Is anything in the SouthPark CoS parody inaccurate ?
davecb5620@gmail.com
... that has worked out.
I wonder if it costs more for a bunch of random people to open fake youtube accounts and post these videos or for their lawyers to post DMCA take downs. Maybe we could win the war by losing 10 million battles.
lol: You see no door there!
Scientology will be taken to court in France
for "organised fraud":
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/europe/7604311.stm
The term "Church of Scientology" is a pronoun. That isn't a DMCA violation. If so, anyone using the churches name would be in violation, which is absolutely ludacris. The only reason they are doing it is because they are hoping nobody fights them.
My problem with the whole thing is Google responded by complying.
I think you owe it to yourself and your view to read up on the CoS' various misdeeds, before you loop them in with other, more sincere religions. Their creation myth and spiritual theories are horseshit, but that is not different from other religions, and not offensive in and of itself. What the CoS does that is different, is bleed tens of thousands of dollars out of its membership while systematically mounting legal, professional, and personal attacks, many of them illegal, against those who stand in its way OR try to leave the organization.
FYI, I am a militant agnostic (I don't know that which is unknowable, and neither do you). I will wager ten US pesos that 90% of the CoS' opposition group "Anonymous" is similarly unaligned.
Posted anonymously for the above reasons. I live a mile from the local CoS headquarters and I am not sure they have anything better to do there than to harass me.
All those dead alien bodies that were dumped by the billions into volcanoes millions of years ago added an enormous amount of Carbon to the planet that wasn't with earth originally!!! All those bodies burned in the volcanoes causing CO2 to be release, CO2 is a greenhouse gas, thus Xenu caused global warming!!!
Not to mention all those pesky thetans, they must obey the laws of thermodynamics like everythign else in the universe which means they have to give off heat if they are actively trying to attach themselves to living things, so all these thetans are just bleeding heat energy causing the temp to raise even more.
We need to sue the Galactic federation for Global Warming NOW!!
Tsukasa: All I really want, is to be left alone...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7604311.stm
You thought you could break the laws of physics without paying the PRICE?
The ebst way to fight this is to post videos that praise Scientology.
"Are you FRIKKIN' crazy?" you ask?
Nope.
If Scientology doesn't issue takedown notices for the videos praising them, they eventually lose their copyright power over the material. If they do issue takedown notices they look even more ridiculous.
And no, I'm not trying to secretly elicit praise for Scientology. There's no reason why you can't throw in a bit or sarcasm in with the honey. :)
Let me open a can of best worms....
The original US constitution didn't give monkeys about religion, it had to be added in later. Which points out the fundamental flaw in the 'do not fuck with freedom of religion' argument. There is no natural law that suggests that this should be guaranteed, and I would imagine that these guarantees were enshrined by people with a religious point of view. Since then this right has been abused in attempts to impose religious nonsense on society.
Now personally I don't have a problem with anyone believing any old nonsense they want to, but when it comes to filling children's heads with this crap and forcing restrictions on one group in society over another, that's another thing.
(I'm not talking about the freedom of assembly right - if someone has a problem with that let them deal with it).
Genesis 1:32 And God typed
I don't get this hatred for Scientology when other religions on this planet are guilty of much much worse.
And if Scientology is something that you people spend all this time on because of its evils, you need to get out more. Scientology is nothing.
The CoS goes through desperate measures trying to prevent the truth from getting out. However, thanks to the power of the internet they cannot beat us.
They can try to harass and annoy us both legally and physically but in the end they are fighting a battle they cannot win. For every web page they take down ten more will be created, for every video they manage to pull offline, hundreds of copies will be stored in hard drives waiting to be posted back again.
We never forget, never forgive and you can't stop the signal.
This is the really scary thing about this whole ordeal. Thanks for the link to that blog. Just read through it, and its great how he went from someone documenting a protest out of curiosity, to a supporter of the protests all because of the CoS's harassing him.
No, they don't. Copyright is termed, it doesn't have to be vigorously enforced. Trademark has to be enforced or lost.
That all churches have fanatics, even if they don't require faith in a divine being
Do you mean this site?
"I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write." --Voltaire (Letters, 1770)
-- Political fascism requires a Fuhrer.
You're confusing trademark enforcement with Copyright. Selective copyright has never been a problem in the courts.
Good thought, but they're two very distinctive concepts.
"The bass, the rock, the mic, the treble. I like my coffee black, just like my metal" - Mindless Self Indulgence
Ah. Oops!
free speech was meant to be free for all, how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ? stand up ?
beware he who denies you access to information for in his mind, he already deems himself to be your master (SMAC-ish)
No, I would pretty much agree with you. Then again, I'm one of those dirty, dirty atheists.
Did anyone else get the advertising banner from Scientology at the top of this post? It said to click the link to see a video that told the real truth about Scientology. I tried clickin but it seems my employer has blocked scientology.org - I can't imagine why!
/. has with them and censorship I'm surprised they agree to show their ads or maybe Cowboy Neal is now a member of their "church"
Considering the past history
I AM A SEXY SHOELESS GOD OF WAR!!!
according to this news article (ansa is the major news agency in Italy), Scientology has been put into judgment for fraud (sorry for the rough translation, but I have no knowledge of english legal words).
google translation (to english) here.
That's a good news for europe
It'll be really funny when they show up with their lawyers, and I show up with a pair of six-guns.
nice to see a government hold them accountable.
OK, now where can I see these videos?
Let's make these things famous.
Wikinews did an in-depth report and interviewed the accused behind the attempted removal: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Alleged_'rights_group'_tries_to_have_4,000_anti-Scientology_videos_removed_from_YouTube
If the Co$ is sending people letters saying you're violating the law by infringing on their copyright, and it's not true, and they know it, doesn't that count as libel?
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
With all the activity this has generated, it seems like there would be an open source alternative to Scientology?
It might, at first glance, seem surprising for an organization like Scientology to support a site that regularly covers them fairly negatively, or for said site to accept their ads, but. . . the slashdot editors, I believe, do not control advertising, I think SourceForge.net does, and most businesses will take just about anyone's money. As for the scientologists, it gives them an opportunity to provide their talking points to slashdot viewers.
Coming next: the scientology internet AstroTurf campaign in the comments of /. and other communities and blogs.
I wonder if the double standard could be countered by posting through one's own LLC. At one point I subscribed to AdBusters and was properly outraged at how corporations are granted more rights and fewer liabilities than citizens, but then realized how easy it is to make that work for me, and act only as the representative of my LLC (a $50 sheet of paper in Colorado) which along with a couple small bank accounts, is the entity which bears liability for my actions.
Tm
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Gay people who cannot be cured and critics like me should be 'disposed of quietly and without sorrow' (from Science of Survival, p 170).
If you Google Wikileaks RPF you can read the policy about their labor camps, how they have to run everywhere, are in isolation, can't talk to anyone.
Also on Wikileaks: the False Purpose Rundown, which talks about 20% of the population being psychotic, inluding journalists and government officials. RPF members have to read that shit for 5 hours a day, week after week, month after month until they believe they are psychotic and commit to their non-existant crimes, before they are released to be able to return to their 80 hour a week job, living on rice and beans.
You can Google TR Lie, or Training Rundown Lie.
Critics have can be 'tricked, lied to, sued or destroyed', or in another spot: 'if possible, of course, utterly destroy him.'
'These are men dead because they attacked us' can be Googled as well.
A nice one is from a policy called ethics protection: 'you can get away with murder as long as you are upstat' (ie in good graces with the cult). This gets repeated in various wordings throughout the policy.
Gosh...there's so many.
How the hell are they allowed to put "church" in front of their name. If you are really a church you can't send complaints to have videos that speak against your religion. Them hiding behind the DCMA is border line criminal imo.
Where's a class-action lawsuit over the first amendment? This is blatant abuse against the Constitution.
(John Edwards is available to spearhead it now that he's out of politics for good.)
Table-ized A.I.
Don't know why I never noticed this before but Xenu backwards is Unex. Maybe a thinly disguised reference to Unix? Was L Ron a programmer, well obviously, I mean computer programmer? Perhaps he was forced to use Unix which he thought was evil and that's how he came up with Xenu?
Why if these things stayed on You-Tube, they could destroy the Scientology business model.
Are you kidding me? Man, I am posting anon because I am slow....but honestly...CoST? They are mocking their followers...
He couldn't possibly do more in twelve minutes to discourage people from joining Scientology himself.
Hopefully the owners of those videos are all aware of this:
http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca/counter512.pdf
Generate a DMCA Counter Notification to bring the video back, assuming they should not have been taken down.
Mark
scary that you have to submit your address and phone number, which is forwarded to the plaintiff. Would they then pass such information onto the Scientologists?
Okay, so scientology believes in aliens. I don't care. So they swindle and scam and rob people. I don't care. Maybe the conspiracy people are right when they say people have even died from it. Okay. I still don't care. I don't get why people obsess about scientology so much. The only thing lamer than scientology are the people who spend their whole life angry about scientology.
These "body tarpnars" cause irrationality because of the huge 3d movie theatre where I assume the tarpnars were forced to watch the Spice Girls movie for millions of years until they thought it was a good movie.
Sadly, this would explain so much of what's wrong modern life...
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
Have you seen Battlefield Earth? One of the worst movies ever? The bad guys lose... sorry, did i spoil the ending for you?
soylentnews.org Go there to enjoy the people!
Except that L. Ron Hubbard wasn't just an individual.
He was the founder.
hmm, i think people should stop attacking Scientology when they've not been members or know much about it themselves.
I'm not a member - nor have i had a free "stress test" lol , but i don't see why a religion defending itself is such a hoo-harr. people seem to make fun of Scientology non-stop - just look at the number of videos removed! don't these people have anything better to do than attack a religion who, to it's members, is obviously fulfilling a need in their lives.
if the pornographic pictures of 13-year-old girls can be hosted in $(COUNTRY), it can be made accesible to anyone.
I wasn't able to find the posting this quote originally came from, but the simple "legal availability" somewhere else of what US law considers to be child porn will not be useful as a defense to a charge in the US of "possession" of that porn. All the legal availability means is that, absent other agreements, the US would have no standing to tell another government to require removal
However, all these countries piss in the same pot and, especially where "commercial interests" (e.g. the CoSsholes) are an issue, they'll all walk in lockstep. Kinda like the old joke about why, after a ship is sunk, the sharks won't bother any surviving lawyers in the water -- professional courtesy.
The book was just awful. Incredibly bad. The hero's name 'Johnny Hero'...also L. Ron obviously flunked every science course he ever took.
The movie at least sort of worked as comedy.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
I love a good parody.
http://www.churchofmyconology.com/
Sounds like a job for Anonymous!
I heard they have good memories.
In general you are correct.
If I was a Mormon or a Scientologist I'd want some parts of my religion secret. Just to keep the laughter down.
As founder of 'The Church of Our Lady of Copious Lubricants' I won't say another thing about our services except that /.ers in general are NOT INVITED.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
All the legal availability means is that, absent other agreements, the US would have no standing to tell another government to require removal
My point is that the United States and/or the several states might have standing to tell the backbone providers to block the server hosting CP or infringing copies.
Step 1: Found Religion Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit
Let's say I'm some random person. I've uploaded an anti-scientology video, using Tor. The video is taken down due to DCMA complaint. I respond with a fake name/address on the complaint and allege ownership. Wouldn't the video get reinstated, and scientology not have my name? (As long as a real world name/address combo was used, it'd be basically untracable.)
Hell, what's to stop anyone from doing this? From what I've read, the document you sign says you agree under penalty of perjury you are the work's OWNER, not that the name you are using is real.
I don't know what the cost of an improper takedown notice is supposed to be, but if you multiply that by 4000, that should cause even Scientology to say 'ouch'.
And it might be enough to make even the RIAA sit up and take notice.
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
YouTube has a choice. They can take down the videos as requested, which absolves them of liability but stifles free speech.
Or they can ignore the takedown notices, which preserves free speech but opens them up to the possibility of a lawsuit. If the videos aren't actually infringing, then YouTube will end up winning that suit. Obeying the takedown notices just lets them avoid it completely.
Keep up the good work, an ounce of prevention is far less scary than a pound of cure!
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
So curious in fact, that I'd like browse every page of their website over and over again for the next week or so...
scientology illustrated
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Scientology Secret L Ron Hubbard Lord Xenu Files Audio Tapes.
Direct Links To Download
The Class VIII Auditor Course Lectures Xenu Lecture Confidential Tape 68
http://www.mediafire.com/?vfh9tuiyham
Scientology Role of Earth Lecture 10-30-1952
http://www.mediafire.com/?gctr3yoipfe
L Ron Hubbard Audio Clips Collection Links
http://www.mediafire.com/?fr7m2j4xyot
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http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/4093016/The_Profit_(2001).avi.4093016.TPB.torrent
Now onto the description: (from wikipedia)
The Profit is a feature film written and directed by Peter N. Alexander. The film premiered at the Cannes Film Festival in France in 2001. Distribution of the film was prohibited by an American court order which was a result of a lawsuit brought by the Church of Scientology, although the filmmaker says that the film is not about Scientology. The Disinformation Book Of Lists and The Times have characterized The Profit as a banned film in the United States.
http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/4093016/The_Profit_(2001).avi.4093016.TPB.torrent
http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/actualites/societe/20080908.OBS0447/la_scientologie_en_correctionnelle_pour_escroquerie_en_.html
[dragged to court for "fraud in an organized gang" ]
so they are taken for what they are
I take it you have never heard of laches.
Copyright does have to be enforced, though not as vigourously as trademark.
...the viability of open source.
...Lorenzo / I'm into kinky crustaceans. I just discovered internet praWn.
Looks like this markov generator has passed the turing test. :P