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Griefers Assault Epileptics Via Message Board
An anonymous reader tips us to a story up at Wired reporting on what may be the first computer attack to inflict physical harm on victims. Last Saturday, griefers posted hundreds of bogus messages on the support forums of the nonprofit Epilepsy Foundation that used JavaScript and strobing GIFs to trigger migraines and seizures in users. For about 3% of the 50 million epileptics worldwide, flashing lights and colors can trigger seizures. "'I don't fall over and convulse, but it hurts,' says [an IT worker in Ohio]. 'I was on the phone when it happened, and I couldn't move and couldn't speak.' ... Circumstantial evidence suggests the attack was the work of members of Anonymous, an informal collective of griefers best known for their recent war on the Church of Scientology. The first flurry of posts on the epilepsy forum referenced the site EBaumsWorld, which is much hated by Anonymous. And forum members claim they found a message board thread — since deleted — planning the attack at 7chan.org, a group stronghold."
The members of Anonymous that did these hacks, if, in fact, that is who planned them, are likely not the same people protesting the Scientology organization.
One of the things about Anonymous that makes it different than most groups is that there are no real leaders and that, due to its very nature, nobody really knows anyone else in the group short of a few people that they might know outside the anonymous forums (this is because on a lot of the boards that Anon originated on, posters are forced to post anonymously, hence the name).
So it's really impossible to tell whether the people doing this are the same ones behind the masks at the protests.
It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.
- E. Debs
I admit I usually think it is funny and appropriately rebellious when hackers set out to make a point. When they picked on the Scientologists it was funny. But this? Why this? It's like torturing your goldfish. Where is the challenge? What's the point?
Careful What You Wish For....
it was ebaumsworld... they hate us for our freedoms.
count on it.
Two particular L. Ron Hubbard quotes are especially instructive in this regard- And- Certainly makes you wonder...
Also, Epileptics need to build themselves a Firefox plugin that'll detect any harmful behaviour, and block it Adblock-style. As the tech progresses this plugin could even be integrated into special sunglasses....
"Be light, stinging, insolent and melancholy"
Why did they go through all that trouble? They could have simply redirected 'em to Myspace.
There is not much to say, really. These people lack any form of human decency. Attacking objectively bad groups like Scientology is somewhat justifiable, but to target people with disabilities is the lowest of the low. Fuck them.
What the hell is a "Griefer?"
Slashdot: Failed Car Analogies. Amateur Lawyering. Anecdote Battles.
Newbie griefers pretending to by Anonymous are caught posting from IP addresses associated with Scientology.
[blockquote]And forum members claim they found a message board thread -- since deleted -- planning the attack at 7chan.org, a group stronghold.[/blockquote] Careful! The internets are serious business!
Obviously 'Anonymous' did this, because the Church of Scientology is so moral as to never stoop to breaking the law and framing others to remove a detractor.
Just how they would never try to drive a critic to suicide or cause the death of one of their own due to denial of basic medical treatment.
Edward@Tomato - /home/Edward/ man woman
man: no entry for woman in the manual.
"Qua!?"
As an epileptic, I find this absolutely sickening. Although I have a very mild form that is not photosensitive, this is a terrible act. For some, seizures do have a small risk of sudden death. When I was first diagnosed, I found these and similar message boards to be an absolutely invaluable resource in finding comfort and support for what is an often incurable and sometimes still stigmatized disease. For me, these forums will never feel like the same safe haven that they used to be.
What signature defines me as a person?
boards for epileptic support shouldn't be written with javascript and image upload ability in the first place? Just a thought. I don't recall ever having strobing marching penises coming out of the monitor at me when I read usenet all those years...
Reminds me of the terrorist attack by the Panther Moderns on Sense/Net in Neuromancer
"I bless every day that I continue to live, for every day is pure profit."
If the past 15 years of strobing pages, CPU gobbling animated backgrounds, looped 'all keys disabled' rickrolling with an endless supply of modal dialogs weren't enough to convince you, perhaps this should be.
Flash, you're next.
I've already seen this sort of thing before. About six years ago Reuters had a series of flash based adverts for BMW that produced a swirling pattern on the screen. This advert produced an epileptic fit in one of our users and when I sent an emergency email to Reuters the adverts were pulled.
For someone to do this on purpose is kinda sick.
Ganty
The headline of the news article is "Hackers Assault Epilepsy Patients via Computer", yet all the perpetrators did was troll the message board with offensive links not unlike what happens here daily on Slashdot. The media never could grasp the correct usage of hackers (hackers versus crackers, hackers versus script kiddies, etc), and confusing Anonymous for hackers isn't likely to help.
And I am supposed to believe that this is Anonymous branching out from their protest against Scientology, and not some asshat member of Scientology trying to give Anonymous a bad name because...?
Anonymous has a beef with Scientology, and that is the sole extent of their agenda to date, so there is absolutely no reason for them to suddenly decide to launch an attack against epileptics. On the other hand there is every reason for Scientology to try and smear Anonymous in order to gain a more sympathetic ear in any future court actions against Anonymous. Given the track record Scientology has with the use of smear campaigns against people and organisations that try to stand up to them, I'd say it's pretty obvious what's really going on here.
Oh, and expect incoming pro-Scientology astroturfers in 3... 2... 1...
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
More like Snow Crash, or even better: the short story BLIT by David Langford. This story immediately brought BLIT back to mind.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
Many computer security analysts have been screaming for years that there needs to be tighter security in applications and that law authorities need to do more against cyber crimes. As much as I don't want the law breathing down my back when I'm using the computer, it's time someone did something to stop stupid little script kiddies from pulling shit like this.
Now that the line has been crossed, and hackers are using exploits to cause physical harm to people, I hope that this will be the wakeup call for governments to start doing something about it. They need to start pressing hard on companies who release bug riddled software. Universities and books need to start ingraining careful, methodical programming and security mindedness before they even learn "Hello World."
And for goodness sake, get those donut eating pigs off of their fat asses and get them protecting people instead of chasing after 7 year old kids downloading songs from the internet!
Dear diary: Today I stuffed some dolls full of dead rats I put in the blender.
In other words, I do believe they would do something like you are suggesting.
I also would expect another phone call from them tomorrow for this post :~(
Careful What You Wish For....
I have a relative in the Fire Alarm business and he tells me about the restrictions on strobe lights on long corridors, they have to flash simultaneously because the random flashes could cause a seizure during a fire. I thought, "wow, that's right. I wonder if they actualy thought about it before hand, or if they wrote the regulation based on a real incident."
Anyway, having that on my mind, I was looking at some of the more garish web sites and thought to myself, "I wonder if someone would construct a site that could trigger an epileptic seizure. Well, now we know.
As for "Anonymous" be the same anti-scientology "Anonymous," I would bet with 99% confidence that if there is such an accusation, it is scientology that did it. We know "why" anonymous is going after scientology, whether you agree or disagree, they have a cause. The epilepsy incident has nothing to do with that cause, and furthermore undermines it. It only makes sense that since it undermines the cause of "anonymous," it was likely done by scientology since they are the ones with the actual motive.
using NoScript is a Good IdeaTM. Linking to a page with a black-white pixel gif animation on the background is still possible though, there's no risk with animations disabled as well (unless you like to scroll).
How did this get moderated as Funny? What am I missing?
Maybe this is how Anon rolls on 7chan, but the Anon of 4chan simply does not work like this. Perhaps someone encouraged them, but usually such an idea would be met with accusations of using /b/ as a personal army. The raids I have seen always target pornographic webcams, racist radio shows, or rival internet groups such as Gaia. Anon may laugh at harm that happens on others, but they aren't actually malicious when it comes to their own actions. It is more their style to troll a dyslexia forum with garbled paragraphs. I suppose this could be the doing of a minority of truly evil people who take advantage of the anonymity, but this just seems too convenient of timing. I believe the Co$ is to blame for this.
Is that true?
Not the actual "attack" itself, of course. But immediately, someone mentioned "anonymous" and everyone knew who they were, that they had a beef with scientology, and that scientology was possibly behind it to discredit them.
This shows that scientology is losing the PR war. They are completely out of their league when they can't actually identify and personally harass their detractors.
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How about we find the people behind this and beat them with a bat and see how they feel?
---- Booth was a patriot ----
After all, we know 7chan is a Scientology stronghold. It is doubtful that the fearful and timid Anonymous people would dare plan something so nefarious under the very noses of their foes. They'd probably use the Something Awful forums instead.
Obviously you were just in the wrong newsgroups.
So what you're saying is we should eliminate the while loop and return all web interaction to server side processing. Perhaps we should ditch images too?
Everyone knows that there is no real anonymous... there is one guy that makes all the posts on all chans and a bunch of lurkers from ebaums that latch on to his insane ramblings and spread them throughout the internet. The lack of basic understanding on this matter just reaffirms the fact that slashdot is no longer relevant in today's intarwebz.
Animnated gifs have nothing to do with Javascript. Maybe boards don't allow posting animated gifs. An easy fix to this problem.
Seriously. Don't you have something better to do?
I make websites and stuff. Buy one.
List of places it's not safe for me to open my eyes:
- Las Vegas
- Times Square
- Japan (any city)
- teh internets
That's OK, we've still got lots of safe places.
Scientology causes migraines?
Next thing you know, someone claiming to be part of Anonymous will be posting pictures of pizza on weightwatchers forums, and pictures of beer on the AA forums.
First off, I don't think whoever organized the protests against Scientology would do this. The negative PR alone would be a demotivating factor...
No....to me this has all of the hallmarks of a "false flag" hack. I can think of two groups who would want to do this to cause harm to the image of Anonymous AND "hackers" in general:
Scientology and elements within the US government.
Man, I thought I was 1337, but it seems those days are gone. Great, now what am I going to do when my dad finds out I don't understand the internet anymore?
What's the connection between Anonymous & eBaumsWorld, and why do Anons hate it so much? Is EBW a Scientology site? Anybody with a better understanding, would you please shed some light on this?
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
Don't these people have mothers who tell them such things are in bad taste ? If not, why would someone who could be considered an adult be doing this ?
Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
anymore. he's also a inept vandal. we're keeping track of your spoiled brat behaviour. there will be a charge for the damage.
Ebaum's did it!
And what the fuck? Best known for their recent war on scientology? Bullshit, we're best known for coming into your computer, raeping your myspace, and DDoSing your websites.
Man, that's trippy. Assholy, but trippy. Never thought Snowcrash would come true! /me sharpens katana and looks for YT.
-- My Sig is a P228.
I notice a number of folks here are convinced that these attacks are Co$ trying to discredit Anon. I wonder how many have wondered if it's Anon trying to discredit Co$ because they know that in geek circles Co$ is automatically blamed for anything like this that they're anywhere near.
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True, but I'm not talking about animated gifs, but rather animated mouse trails and crap like that.
I shouldn't need to run foreign code in order to display a bloody page. Or at least, that language should not enable abusive things.
You can't take the sky from me...
Operation Freakout, Anyone?
this could be an attempt by Scientology to strike at the people who have struck at them, by impostering those who attacked them, doing something horribly wrong in order to damage them, in return for what they apparently did to them. Please read the sentence closely to understand :o)
When I found out that people can do this, it really shook me to my core.
Hello, Slashdot. We are Anonymous.
.info with the most horrendous filth porn and human gore imagery to be found online.
Anonymous, peacefully campaigning against the Church of Scientology, condemn this attack.
There is also little doubt that those who would attack a site such as this, and unprovoked, are the same 'Unnamed People' who covered the anti-Church of Scientology Campaign wiki page, Projecct Chanology on partyvan
It is possible that these were both orchestrated by anti-moralist members of 'the chans', but it is also not impossible that the 'Church's' online operatives managed to instigate this unprecedented attack to discredit the peaceful protesters.
Perhaps 'the chans' do not realize they are being manipulated.
Sadly anonymity is a catch all, literally anyone can and will say "I am Anonymous", even The Church of Scientology is "Anonymous" when they connect to public FTPs. You can not have the security of anonymity both inside and out, without the problems of defending against anonymous insurgents, just ask Wikileaks.
Condolences to any harmed.
This attack, as any violent attack, is condemned by Anonymous.
Though the 'Church' will push this at every opportunity, it will feed their policy of ad hominem attack. It does not in any way negate the crimes of the 'Church', they cannot hide behind another.
We will legally fight the corrupt pyramid scheme organization that is the Church of Scientology regardless.
Knowledge is free.
We are Anonymous.
We are Legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
Expect us.
Black bag = breaking and entering to steal information; a meatspace attack on someone's files, like Watergate.
False Flag = committing an act while disguised as one's enemy so that the consequences accrue to that enemy, like the bombing of the Al-Askari mosque.
Seriously. It'd help if there was anything more out there than innuendo. Personally, I wouldn't put this crap past either Anonymous or the Co$.
What does this button d$#%* NO CARRIER
This case mirrors the fictional news report of a hacker who created a virus that did something quite similiar in the .hack series. What happens next? A virus wipes out all possibility of any OS being used other than the most obscure one which begins to dominate the market.
*Boots up Solaris*...
Ginga no Rekshiya Mata Each page.
You can't take the sky from me...
...and for good reason. I really, really wanna slap that guy. Someone needs to tell him how funny he isn't. Just about anybody can do a Joe Peschi, Jack Nicholson or Christopher Walken impression -- which are the staples of his "shtick."
you forgot meatspin
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
All this talk of cohesive groups and "weakness" really reminds me of Scientology literature. Hmm. I sure doubt Scientology had anything to do with this, too...
-- arstchnca
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Your "fix" still leaves open the possibility that Anon is simply trolling Co$ by using their own reputation against them. I frankly hate both groups and fap over the fantasy that they will destroy one another, but the RL outcome is unlikely to be so appealing.
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In the 1971 movie The Andromeda Strain a flashing red light causes a seizure.
Run and catch, run and catch, the lamb is caught in the blackberry patch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
The cult is doing this to make Anonymous look bad.
I used to be a Scientologist, and I can tell you based on first hand experience that this is EXACTLY what the cult would do.
This is not the work of those who fight and oppose the cult of Scientology.
The cult has already taken to creating fake videos and messages that appear to be from Anonymous and that contain threats of violence against the cult itself. This latest stunt is simply the next step in their campaign of demonizing Anonymous.
The problem with Anonymous is that anyone can pretend to be part of the group. While they are highly resistant to efforts by the cult to target them as individuals, they are vulnerable to false-flag tactics such as this one.
This is not the first time the cult has done this. Back in the 70's they targeted a woman for writing a book that revealed the evil nature of the cult. The cult responded by forging evidence linking her to a fake bomb threat, among other things:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout
She was facing a long prison sentence until the FBI accidentally discovered that the cult had set her up while conducting another investigation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White
Scientology is evil. It is something that most people who have never dealt with the cult have a hard time understanding or believing. To describe the nature of this cult to someone who is unfamiliar with it is very difficult because polite society lacks the terms needed to accurately convey the depth of evil found within this organization. It is also difficult because an accurate description defies belief. Most people are unable to contemplate something so evil actually existing in the real world.
But scientology is that bad, and it is real. Its victims are a multitude and its crimes are horrific.
But don't take my word for it, read up on it yourself:
http://www.xenu.net/
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/
Muslim community leaders warn of backlash from tomorrow morning's terrorist attack.
you are the 4th or 5th person with a low post count asserting that Scientology could not possibly have done this and that they aren't afraid of anonymous.
a pattern emerges
the pattern says go back to clearwater
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
I don't feel guilt. I understand why I should, but...
Don't fret about it. Guilt is no more than a built-in pro-active self-preservation thing. It's an internal warning bell that lets you know that when your civilized neighbors catch up with you, they're going to beat the shit out of you, or maybe even kill you. Don't worry about ignoring it, it's not there for anyone else's benefit.
It is scary, real, and a major force on the rise.
The proper way to say this is:
"They LAUGHED at me when I was [born deformed/dismissed from my university post/lost the vote 434,555 to 1], but soon, when my [super Internet weapon/fiendish subversive plot/giant mutated killer penis clone] is finished, THEY'LL BE SORRY!!"
DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS
...and tell them to expect US.
This is Anonymous -chan anonymous, goin' back to their roots -you know, exploiting weaknesses in habbo hotel and secondlife; phishing hundreds of myspace passwords and putting up shock-images, harassing forums for disabled people and children.
I don't know who the fuck you are, but you're not Anonymous.
You are Legion -legions of LJ emo-fags, amirite?
You do not forgive -but you don't have the teeth to get a single story on Digg, much less take out someone like Hal Turner, amirte?
You do not forget -clearly you have forgotten your roots if you condemn this after so many raids have been done by your group which have cost people jobs (..IS A FUCKING POKEMON) and drove people into suicide.
And yes, we expect you, simply because you myspace faggots are so pervasive on the internet that one would be a fool not expect you to waltz in and start fagging up the place.
tl;dr -True Anonymous fucks up cripples, Fake anonymous BAAAAAWWWWWWWSSS about suckers getting chumped by Co$
gb2/enturbulation.org, faggot -and tell them that the Old-school Anonymous are sick of them ruining our name
OK, it sounds like "anonymous" is just a really poor spelling of "asshole".
Am I part of the core demographic for Swedish Fish?
I pains me to read most of the comments here, and indeed most of the crap that is posted about anonymous. The anonymous who posted the seizure inducing content are probably not the same who protest against Scientology. They are all anonymous, and all come from the same collective, but the collective of anonymous does not operate in one single hivemind, but several different hiveminds, each with it's own mentality. I really do with people would do their research before commenting on this subject.
Why do we need a new word for the sort of people for whom there are plenty of words already? Although I suppose 'griefer' is acceptable in polite company, whereas the other words I'm thinking of aren't...
Sounds like OP hit it front and center to me. Didn't like realizing the Co$ is pulling your strings? BAAAaaaaWWWWWW BAAWWWWWWWWWWW How do you like being a tool of the Co$? you like little Tommy C and tiny Miscavige diddling your little pee pee?
Since there's actually a surprising amount of the population that are sociopaths (better term than psychopath for this particular disorder). Somewhere in the range of about 5-9% of people are like this. They just cannot empathize with others. They can't put themselves in the shoes of another person, and as such they cannot understand when that other person feel sad or in pain or whatever.
Most people associate this with just serial killers and while it is true that you are pretty much guaranteed to be a sociopath if you are a serial killer, there are actually plenty of normal people who are the same way. They don't necessairily break any laws, they are just the real inconsiderate pricks out there.
Good chance on your average day you run in to at least one of them.
I'm not sayng CoS aren't behind this story, a joe job by them was my first reaction. However the post count for Kyokugenryu is 58 going back at least to 2006, I think they're genuine person, rather than a sock puppet. Alex.
Read that any way you like...
I can see no purpose for someone attacking an epileptic this way other than to be purely sadistic. It's a sadistic assault, pure and simple, and I think in this case it would be entirely within the right of law enforcement to try and track back to the people that made these posts. This just offends just everything I think is fair and right.
This is my sig.
I'm not expecting all epileptics to know about this, but you should spread the word and teach them how to disable animations in their browsers. For anyone photosensitive, killing all animations will probably be a huge benefit.
Someone else already mentioned how to do it:
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=504340&cid=22907278
I lost my sig.
Akin to the nigger race maybe..
More akin to the racist brand of Anonymous Coward.
"anon is not your personal army.",
"Anonymous is devoid of humanity, morality, pity and mercy."
you have no right to say what is and what is not condemned by anon. This prank was an epic win that created many lulz. for that alone, even if it was done as a misguided attempt at sabatoge it was a success in the eyes of all Anons who lold. Anon does whatever the fuck it pleases. you cannot attribute ideals to anonymous. conversely you also cannot say an action goes against the ideals of anonymous for when you do, you are no longer talking about anonymous. http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Anonymous
Rules you have forgotten:
Anonymous is the only page on encyclopedia dramatica that takes herself seriously.
Anonymous is devoid of humanity, morality, pity and mercy.
Anonymous works as one, because none of us are as cruel as all of us.
Anonymous exploits all weaknesses and flaws.
Anonymous doesn't have a family or friends.
Anonymous is not your friend.
Anonymous does not hurt children or animals.
Anonymous is not your personal army.
Anonymous is in control at all times.
Anonymous does not accept failure, Anonymous delivers.
Anonymous has no identity.
Anonymous cannot be betrayed.
Anonymous obeys the Code.
Anonymous does not wear fanny packs.
Seriously guys?
Sounds like Anonymous is having an identity crisis.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
how can people be so mean?!?!
Agree with parent. The whole point of being anonymous is that people don't know who you are. Now, one or more persons might specifically take on the pseudonym "Anonymous" (capitalized), but then that would only be applicable within a very specific context, and certainly it would be silly to say, "But *I'm* the *real* Anonymous!" Imagine a conversation like this:
A: "Someone suggested that taxes be raised. I didn't know who it was."
B: "Really? Someone whom I didn't know had suggested that taxes be lowered. Boy, this person that we don't know sure has trouble making up his mind!"
(Yes, I know that "anonymi" is not the correct plural. Yes, I know that "anonymous" is not spelled "anonymus". If the plural of "mouse" is "mice", perhaps the plural of "anonymous" is "anonymic"?)
404555974007725459910684486621289147856453481154 in hex is "You sank my Battleship?"
[GPG key in journal]
Oh shit how that article scared me! I suffer from epilepsy and have heard stories that cops sometimes think you're high or something if they see you having a seizure but I've always dismissed them as just stories and - apparently very naïvely - thought that cops should be smart enough to tell ordinary people apart from drug addicts and such.
So thus I want to take the opportunity to spread knowledge. Please read the article!
It's fucking insane that he had to plead insanity. I wonder how worried he must've been of getting convicted considering how he was willing to be humiliated by pleading insanity? What could they accuse him of? He certainly wasn't masturbating in public so they couldn't possibly prove that and falsely proving that he was resisting arrest is IMHO also hard. They cannot claim that he said anything or that he made any violent moves (seriously, spasms don't look violent - they're relatively small movement back and forth - only a couple of inches or so). I might also add one thing about how it feels to have a seizure - during the seizure and after it you can often still have some rational thoughts going on but be incapable of speaking and it is extremely frustrating. You would like to explain to whoever notices you what is going on but can't - it feels like you've forgotten virtually all words.
A part of me want the world to believe this is really Scientology trying to give Anon a bad name, but it's not.
Check out (NSFW!) http://not420chan.com/i/res/116176.html (/NSFW!)
(You want to use an alternate CSS if you don't want to vomit/make your head hurt. It's there to prevent outsiders from coming in)
taken to the next level.
...Anonymous Cowards
Yeah, screw the 240 million websites that use Javascript every day without causing seizures! We should throw them all out the window immediately because of this one offense! Also, I think C++ was used to write a virus once, so let's destroy all C++ compilers and programs! Help us make the world safe again, Dogun!
Comment of the year
newfag
lol, internet
if this is true then i'm moving to 7chan. /b/2.0 makes me sick to my stomach, its nothing but 14yearold protesters,camwhores and gaiafags now.
this new
worthless cancerous scum.
i miss the good old days of unprovoked raids on people who frankly, probably don't deserve it.
this scientology shit is just a huge e-penis circle jerk by perpetuated newfags who weren't beaten by their parents enough! scientology became un-funny a week before the first raid
if you see any protesters then please run them down with your car. you will be doing 4chan a great service and i'm sure that any jury on earth would sympathize with you for doing it
Makes you want a Trans-orbital Leucotomy...
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Who is this? ^click^
The only 'cause' they have is lolz. Scientology is just a nice far target because of their high profile and unpopularity.
" Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her crimes, known and unknown.
... that L Ron was onto something. If you get arrested as a suspect for crimes, even if you committed them or not, the State, the Police, the people who helped get you arrested, are not standing on trial at all for any crimes they committed. It's moral relativism to an extreme, but there is a point behind all of this: Even if the people who are trying you have committed much worse crimes, you are still standing on trial for what you've done.
... but that's not fair to the 99% of ___chan users who just come to visit for random laughs, debauchery, pr0n, and contribute to the removal of child porn images from the site.
Certainly makes you wonder..."
The whole point is to discredit those that are attacking you so they have no leg to stand on.
Let's say for example, some relatively young band, goes and sues a bunch of people who downloaded their music. There's a good chance that some members of that band, if not the whole band, did the exact same crime themselves. For them to proceed with their lawsuit flies in the face of logic, just from their own blatant hypocrisy. The "law" has no premise for any of this though. The only hope you have is to discredit your opponents, especially in front of a jury.
The problem Scientology faces is an international, distributed group of individuals, who may or may not maintain anonymity, and they can't individually target any of them. There's too many people for them to build cases on and attempt to ruin their lives through legal, punitive, harassment, or public humiliation methods. It's the BitTorrent problem - they can't charge and arrest every downloader because the legal system just isn't designed for this widespread "looting". Plus making an example of a few seems to embolden everyone else. They'd have to make a ridiculous response, like start shooting people. That would instill fear, but then in a month's time, the rest of the country would descend on them and rip them to shreds. Maybe it's the same reason the US government hasn't dropped a MOAB on the Khyber Pass - it would anger many more in the Muslim world, and increase the rate of suicide bombers, which of course one always gets through. A similar problem was seen during the Cold War: the assumption was that a nuclear bomber would always make it through the interceptors, the anti-aircraft missiles, and whatever defense response they could create.
So, Anonymous as a pseudo-organization, which it isn't - it's far too ad hoc to even call it that - does benefit from their current strategy, as it uses Scientology's own terms of engagement against them. There is no means of attempting to criticize the critics. All Scientology can do is attack the critics and anyone near them as a whole. This means Scientology must attack EVERYONE on 4chan, 7chan, ___chan - which they do. They call them child pedophiles, deviants, etc etc
In the end, this comes down to Scientology's own stubbornness, who hold onto Soviet style tactics of secrecy, hiding their own crimes, and general deceit. If Scientology just embraced "glasnost" they'll have kicked the legs out from the table Anonymous stands on. Maybe they fear openness is a weakness. Or they're behind all the protests, 4chan, and the videos, just to make sure they make headlines regularly.
That sounds more like it. That's the Scientology I've grown to understand. Teach society how easy it is to create a fervor of hatred over complete lies, even if they seeded the lies themselves. meh - not likely - Scientology seems too uncreative to do something like that. They're probably just confused why these people aren't at home reading comic books, playing video games, getting wasted, having sex, and jerking off to porn.
"This attack, as any violent attack, is condemned by Anonymous."
WHAT ABOUT THE FOOTBALL STADIUMS, ANONYMOUS?!
Anonymous does it for the LULZ. Everyday Anonymous submits several "Party Hard" flash which has music and flashing colors on may chan boards. This person is not Anonymous but rather a cruel imposter using a simple set of JavaScript, CSS, and HTML.
The Rapture is NOT an exit strategy.
He is not a scientologist I tell you! And look I have a high post count..
SHUT UP HUBBARD IM TRYING TO DISCREDIT THIS GUY..
oops did I just type that out loud..
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I am so sick and tired of people saying that "Anonymous" is something like a group of internet superheroes who have taken to fighting the evil CoS. "Anonymous" of course refers to the collective that frequent the *chan sites.
Some of which are attacking/protesting Scientology. Many enjoyed harassing CoS via the internet. Some actually cared about CoS and what it stands for, and thought real life protests were a good idea. Some think the protests are just sad get-togethers for basement-dwelling teens.
More importantly, Anonymous did not form to combat CoS, it existed long before and has done many things. They may have been good or bad, but that's besides the point. What most of the participants cared about was if it provided them with entertainment. The more vocal the victim, the better.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that Anonymous as a group has no such thing as 1 opinion. They are certainly not above ruining people's lives. So to assume that this griefing of some epilepsy forum is the work of CoS is beyond deluded.
when did /. start catering to troll children
I can't believe this is even being reported here, it only perpetuates this kind of behaviour.
Take away their stage and wait for them all to grow up.
You seem to know an awful lot about Anonymous. Too much for a guy who claims his job is to do security testing for "networked medical devices". And you're sure it was Anonymous. Even though Anonymous is not a group. And you know all about the attack.
Incidentally, since HIPPA is about security of information and ISO 13485 is about developing management systems for medical devices, your comments about trying to protect medical information and management systems don't make sense because slashdot is not a medical device.
Are you asking whether the web should be safe for epileptics? If so, the answer is "it already is".
You're kind of all over the map. Maybe when you reach OTVIII things will be better for you. Either that, or you will be able to control time and space, so you'll be able to prevent these types of attacks by going into the past and stopping the ne'er do wells before they even start.
Attack some other group and blame your enemy in an attempt to discredit them. Sick and pathetic.
You are trying to use "Anonymous" like someone else would use GNAA or Trollkore.
Don't. You can't. It hurts to see you try and fail.
The people who went after the CoS coalesced from the same people who troll, grief, raid and generally try to make life on the internet miserable. Did you already forget that they started out with a DDoS attack on the CoS website?
Anonymous is the online equivalent of a race riot.
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Anonymous
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MIEN EYES Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:13 No. 2501134
Epeleptic forum raid..
1) Make account. 2) Spam flashing gifs, party hard etc. 3) Troll the userbase. 4) ??? 5)PROFIT!! CURRENT TARGET:http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org/efforums/forum/
Precious Javascript Weapon:
window.location = "http://gilf.co.nr/myeyes"
ALWAYS WEAR A CONDOM!
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:14 No. 2501142 | this has potential for lulz and win.
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:16 No. 2501165 | anon armed and ready.
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:22 No. 2501208 | First good fucking idea I've seen in days. I'll be right over there once I'm done fapping on my bosses desk.
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:23 No. 2501214 | Good principal, probably won't work in practice.
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:23 No. 2501217 | this is relevant to my interests
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:25 No. 2501231 | Wait, their forums support Javascript? That means...they support HTML? FUCK this will be too easy
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:30 No. 2501289 | Haha. Holy fucking shit. I wrote that code...fuck that, Anonymous wrote that code. For Anon By Anon. The Javascript is a nice touch...I'ma go flood that shit now.
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:32 No. 2501296 | >>2501134 }} oh wow, thats gotta be the best idea ive ever heard, well done.
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:36 No. 2501322 | File: 120624335935.jpg-(67.39KB, 850x719, FreeInternet.jpg) By the time I got there, you have all already filled it with seizurebait. GOOD FUCKING JOB, ANONS, WELL PLAYED.
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:37 No. 2501337 | I laughed really hard.
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:38 No. 2501346 } someone get a cookie stealing script and post it on a legit thread, then hack the whole thing, give it epic flashing index.
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:38 No. 2501352 | File: 120624350150.jpg-(32.28KB, 1138x48, 1206240592977.jpg) >> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:39 No. 2501360 | >>2501352 }} lol'd
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:39 No. 2501366 |
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:42 No. 2501388 | File: 120624374380.jpg-(5.90KB, 1030x41, epilepsy.jpg) also, requesting sticky
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:42 No. 2501395 | >>2501352 }} I fuckin lol'd hard
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:43 No. 2501400 | This is evil
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:43 No. 2501403 | OH GOD HOW DID I GET HERE IM NOT GOOD WITH COMPUTER
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:44 No. 2501409 | >>2501134 }} Hi I'm going to hijack your thread nao. Where did the Do It spider expert originally come from? Sadly despite months of lurking moar I have yet to figure out where I've seen this bitch before.
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:44 No. 2501412 | The name pedrobear made me lol. +1 internet to whoever that is
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:44 No. 2501413 | this isn't funny my brother did that way. Also, sticky this, plox.
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:44 No. 2501418 | >>2501413 }} died* I fail.
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:47 No. 2501435 | I haert u so hard anon lol.
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:47 No. 2501436 |
window.location = "http://www.hey.doyouhaveepilepsy.com/"
Even better script
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:47 No. 2501438 | Ah god, I love you evil bastards.
>> Anonymous 08/03/22(Sat)20:48 No. 2501450 | Is somebody DDoSing it too, cause it's getting slow as fuck
In 1 minutes googling I've found :
That was one guy, Jake Brahm, who learned the limits of free speech in America (thou shalt not make jokes about planting bombs)
why bring that up and not things like pedophile Chris Forcand was investigated, and brought to justice by Anonymous (as a group, not an unnamed individual)
So as the answers so easy to get, seems people bringing it up like that all the time are probably just going for defamation/black PR.
I've been reading Slashdot since '99 and this is the most spectacular astroturf campaign I've ever see. Anon posts don't even sound like anon for fuck sakes. All the fake anons are giving me such a serious case of uncanny valley that it's making me physically ill. It's impressive how much the Scientologists have learned in the few short months anon has been fighting them, but they still aren't quite there. Fair Game indeed, get the hell off my slashdot idiots! You aren't quite smart enough to post here.. even as anon (and that bar is pretty low).
...don't forget our instinctive drive to put mayonaise on everything!
CoS or not CoS, besides the point. Whoever did this needs to be strung up by their privates and then flayed alive. This type of behavior cannot be tolerated. This isn't griefing, this is akin to assault and even attempted murder (if someone was to fall, hit their head and die, it would be murder). It's time people wise up and start behaving like civilized adults. If you know who did this it's time to turn them in to pay for their actions.
I'd like to see more Slashdot stories about griefer groups.
It's something that's going on on the Internet, but not many people know about it.
You are more informed than I am.
The cult is doing this to make Anonymous look bad.
You're an idiot. No, this is the sort of thing that Anonymous would normally do -- "Anonymous" is the informal moniker of visitors to the "random" (or "/b/") section of 4chan.org, and the "group" has been around far longer than this (stupid) anti-Scientology campaign. Anonymous frequently picks on groups that are easy targets (such as in their campaign to spoil the ending of Harry Potter for all Harry Potter fans), and when Anonymous picks on a given group, it is often an entirely different group of random internet surfers griefing those victims than the groups of "Anonymous" that grief the other victims. Picking on Scientologists, as well as picking on epileptics, is just an extension of "Anonymous's" normal griefing pattern.
Trying to make sense of Anonymous's actions by interpreting them as a single, coherent organization, would be like trying to make sense of the actions of every American teenager who calls himself a "goth," by setting out with the flawed assumption that all goths are somehow organized, and share things in common. They don't. They're just kids.
This attack, as any violent attack, is condemned by Anonymous.
What are you smoking? Anonymous condones violence all of the time. In fact, Anonymous even condones racial violence. Against niggers.
Stop acting like Anonymous is a unified organization. It isn't. It's as unified in purpose and philosophy as a bunch of teenage sp00ky kids.
...since it's an adjective.
Fuckin LULZ!
I've been poring over the dox that Anon has (re-)leaked to the world over the past few weeks. The cult is a fascinating study in memetics -- there are memes for propagating itself ("Make money! Make others make more money!"), for defense ("Never defend, always attack"), and the every instance of jargon throughout the dox is itself a meme for encouraging separation of the in-group from the out-group in order to reinforce group identity.
Your post made some of the missing pieces fit into place. Considering Hubbard's Naval background in the 50s, the insane bureaucracy (Office of Special Affairs, Hubbard Communications Office, Sea Org, Staff, Flag, etc...), his love of acronyms (HCOPL = Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, basically anything he felt like needed to be done got made into policy), and the whole "us against the world" ("Clear the Planet!", "We are the Authorities!") insanity he ended up building, I think you're a lot closer to the truth than you know.
Which is this: Hubbard was very likely a paranoid schizophrenic, and he used his experiences in the Navy, colored by Cold War stories of CIA vs KGB, to build his cult. To this very day, the basic bits of tradecraft that are used to train OSA goons into stalking and harassing critics are basically lifted from techniques used by both sides back in the Cold War days.
This is memetic warfare. The Scilons are ironically hampered by the same thing the Muslims are -- that their holy texts are the received word of God (Scilons call it "Source") and are unalterable.
Hubbard's memes for distracting critics with the tu quoque logical fallacy (never discuss your crimes, discuss your opponent's crimes -- we see it every day when Pubs and Dems yell "B-b-but Bush did..." and "b-b-b-but Clinton...") were effective means of distracting the mainstream media of the 60s-80s. When those techniques failed, Fair Game ("Operation Freakout") and barratry "The purpose of a lawsuit is not to win, but to harass") were enough to dissuade reporters and critics, and the lawsuits made sure the editorial desk kept the reporters in line even when Fair Gaming didn't.
All of that started to fail in the 90s with the development of many-to-many communications protocols offered by the Internet. Anonymous vs. Co$ is merely the next round. Problem is, since what Hubbard wrote was "Source", and cannot be altered for any reason, the Scilons are fighting a 1990-2000s memetic war with the weapons of the 1960s. Anonymous recognizes opportunities for lulz, and if there was ever such an opportunity, a dangerous, but predictable opponent certainly qualifies. :)
If there was a +6, Insightful, you'd have earned it. Since I can't do that, I'll have to settle for changing the Subject: line, and point out in passing that you just won the Internet.
I shouldn't have to make a server round trip just to change the presentation of the data on the page.
It's pretty obvious that this is merely Scientologists acting as agent provocateurs to discredit Anonymous.
In fact, they're probably just beta testing some secret tech like Snowcrash, since they're going to need to take out the hacker community anyways.
And while we laugh at them now, this is all part of their secret plan which also involves assembling the Raft somewhere in the Pacific. Why else would their leadership be called "Sea Org"? It won't be so funny when half a million brainwashed zombie Scientologists invade the shores of California and take over everything. Hopefully someone can reach the Mafia in time...
Did someone send them a link to http://ytmnd.com/?
Just because you can mod me down, doesn't mean you're right. Shoes for industry!
ANONYMOUS DECLARES: THERE IS NO ANONYMOUS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ4HSwb59IA
In before "caps lock is cruise control for cool."
Stop trying to frame the best website in the world, you jerk. Ebaumsworld rules, channers are lamers and probably all cry themselves to sleep because no one wants to spend any meatspace time with them, so they take it out on people with REAL LIVES and by that I mean ebaumsworld users, because we try to live and love and laugh at funny things while you sit in your parent's basement and wank to people stepping on kittens. EBAUMSWORLD RULES Anonymous DROOLS.
So THERE.
It is not unreasonable to assume nor would it be out of character for the Scientologists to have done this as part of a revenge smear campaign against Anonymous.
I wonder what they will post on internet addiction sites ...
I'm not a Scientologist, I just don't support all this retarded crap against Scientology. Standing outside is not a "raid" as those Raidchan/insurgents call it. It's a bunch of nerds standing outside a building. It's not bothering anyone most likely. Why would a religion have a reason to be scared of a bunch of kids who think being on 4chan since 2006 makes them an "oldfag" and intentionally making epileptics, who have done NOTHING TO YOU, have seizures? You're saying this like my IRC network wasn't linked to Partyvan for what, 2 months? With all of 7chan/Raidchan/Insurgency. Go back to standing outside of CoS buildings and thinking they care in the least, but leave people with disabilities alone. That is genuinely disgusting, not even the GNAA went that far.
Is a story concerning who 4chan's latest victim was really slashdot news? Slow news day much?
The massive amount of /i/nsurgents/7channers/Raidfags posting here telling people it's the Church of Scientology makes it pretty obvious who it is. Stop BAWWing about being scapegoats and just say you did it, it's blatantly obvious you did. Are you going to stop saying ebaums did everything and blame it all on the CoS now?
So glad I stopped going to the *chans when it started being overrun by newfags a couple years ago, 4chan is literally a completely different site from back when thrust vectoring owned the skies and Snacks kept /b/ awesome.
...didn't 'come' from Europe, but live in Europe. And they don't have much to do with colonialism either.
White people in the US may be different, but i guess many of them went to the US near WWII, which also has nothing to do with their history of colonialism.
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This part of the post wasn't necessary, as we wouldn't have been able to tell what you do in your personal life if you hadn't told us... and we don't have to disregard what we don't know. Just sayin'.
Ooookay, anyone getting a "Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex" vibe from this whole thread? Seriously, if you were all in a virtual-reality chat room instead of /. this would be the Laughing Man discussion down to a T...
Meta will eat itself
Being a regular fixture of the anime community that most of the *chan boards spawned from, I've had a fair amount of exposure to all things Anonymous and /b/tard. I know enough about Scientology to know I don't like it, not one bit, and I know they like to do anything to get their way. But I can tell you this; I am 100% sure that the anon kiddies did this. It's wanton internet hate machine bullshit as usual. I'm surprised they didn't surround the offending images with 'UR BRAIN IS CLOSED' or something equally witty.
/b/tards. I'll take either. (Granted, less /b/tards would have a more immediate positive impact on my existence...since the CoS has never caused me any trouble.)
I honestly can't wait to see what happens next though. Like most things of late, this is heading into cyberpunk territory... Roving tribes of anarchistic internet terrorists... I mean, seriously. wtf? It also amuses me to no end to see Anon going after the CoS... It's like a win-win situation. Less scientology, or less
Friend: "The NIC is misconfigured..." Me: "No prob, I'll just telnet in and fix it." *Silence*
If anyone understands the title of this comment, you'll know what I'm talking about. What name is missing? ;)
As a lurker of the missing forum, I saw information about this event about two hours ago.
I'll only paraphrase what I saw.
"Guys, we caused 20 people to have migraines and headaches."
"OH GOD! WHAT HAVE WE DONE?!"
That's why we can't have nice things! http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2890/coondauz3.gif
see http://shii.org/knows/Anonymous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFjU8bZR19A
Heck, entire domains have been set up to hold this sort of content. .com (avoid if epileptic)
I even stumbled onto one once, but fortunately for me I do not suffer from epilepsy.
www. & seizure & robots &
It is inevitable that there will be some obnoxious clownhat somewhere that would enjoy such attacks on people who suffer from photosensitive epilepsy.
I personally fail to understand how anybody could correlate this AT ALL with the Anonymous group debunking scientology. Completely different. It is almost as bizarre as trying to suggest that there is only one anonymous group on the whole internet, which is patently false.
Any correlation is most likely created by Co$ themselves, and hopefully will backfire on them.
For if scientologists *are* found to be responsible, law enforcement will frown upon such behaviour, and their (already shaky) reputation will be further tarnished, (hopefully along with their laughable religious status, and leaders).
If not, then it's probably just kids from some backwards forum...
There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face - Ben Williams
Anonymous is everywhere.
We are the the pimps and the prostitutes, the doctors and the politicians. We are the teachers and the schoolchildren. We are the jesters and outcasts of the internet.
Anonymous is largely chaotic neutral- we are both moral and immoral. However, the actions of a few do not represent the actions of the whole.
It is impossible to make judgments when anyone can be one of us.
PS: lulz your captcha just made me type "lynches".
Seriously go read 4chan or Somethingawful, they do forum invasions and mock people with disabilities all the time. They are mostly a bunch of bored teenagers and loser nerds with massive nerd rage. Just because they sometimes do something good, or the non-arseholes get noticed, doesn't mean the vast majority of those groups aren't just griefers. I only like them because most of the time they are funny, even when griefing people.
"...and that is the sole extent of Anonymous's agenda to date..." Anonymous as an organization has a long history of attacking institutions that foster unwarranted self-importance, and new-age mystics peddling superpowers are simply the latest permutation the collective will has bent itself against.
I can't believe that around 80% of the posts here are trying to defend the chans or blame Scientology for this. Is it really surprising they'd do stuff like this? Site invasions of innocent groups for 'lulz' isn't exactly a radical change in behaviour for them.
So it may not be the same people taking part in the Scientology protests. I'm sure that makes the victims of these invasions feel so much better. When the chans decided to organise themselves under the banner of 'anonymous' the same as they do all their site invasions under, they chose to directly associate themselves with these activities. They're all part of the 4chan and 7chan userbase and without any attempt to prove they're different from any other group of chan users doing site invasions, why SHOULD they be seen as any different?
The chan's are filled with people who think the funniest thing in the world is to post child porn images and do crap like this. It reeks of desperation or naivety to call this a smear campaign
Oh, wait, ...
Computer memory is just fancy paper, CPUs just fancy pens with fancy erasers; the 'net is just a fancy backyard fence.
I think it has something to do with anonymous.
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I wonder if they chan get the joke.
Non-Scientologists also torture puppies, sell kittens to Communist postal addresses, and are responsible for decades when Zuuul or Zeron Or Evilex or whatever his name was from the other planet who was supposed to save us all were afraid to contact Earth because they were afraid of Space Invaders' message.
Folks, it's not too late! Let's all convert to Scientism! Get in touch with your inner Thetan. Bonus points for finding her Thetanspot......
Honestly, I've scarcely seen a more blatant attempt at spin
You know, lots of the stuff I use on the web is better because of javascript. I would hate to go back to the days of plain useless HTML. How would I see when my gmail contacts logged in, or have cool features on the message boards I frequent? You might as well ban programming all together. Javascript is no more abusable than any programming language.
It is anonymous as you people think of them. They just thought it would be funny to do it simple as that. Before this whole scientology debacle people would accept this as anonymous. Remeber these are the same people who did the bomb threats to football stadiums/
I'd like to say a big f**k you to whoever did this.
Seizures are horrible and I wouldn't wish one on my worst enemy.
Linux fan and Win32 developer
really i dont understand that shit. they are just as buggy as any software out there, except maybe some linux stuff, and then again they are also buggy. i dont understand the need to despise those 'off the shelf' forum scripts that way. they power hundreds of thousands of communities harboring millions of people very well. so whats the problem ?
anyways mod this offtopic.
Read radical news here
and i have 400kbps broadband, amd 4800, 4 gig ram, firefox, zonealarm, no viruses, no problems in my xp. despite being a web developer myself so i know how to avoid that kind of shit.
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imagine what would it do to a epileptic
Read radical news here
i cant even start to imagine what the middle eastern islamist sects that are organizing in turkey to abolish secular republic are gonna do to them. they know no kind of intimidation.
Read radical news here
everybody blaming this on scientology is a tard. the posts originated and got lots of support on 420chan /i/.
and while i'm here, i would like to point out that the protests against scientology were not in the nature of anonymous, this is the kind of malicious thing we do you fucking newfag enkindlers. Anonymous has always been malicious, and that wont change. the majority of anons have grown to hate the pathetic raids on scientology, and all the associated internet love machine bullshit. gb2/gaia enkindlerfags. you will never change the nature of anonymous.
Posting AC because it advises Chanology to act in a certain way and implies that Co$ might have been responsible for the attack.
Anonymous members should have noticed what was being plotted and posted something to this extent on the epilepsy group:
Name: 4chan Anonymous Date: March 30th 2008
Dear Epilepsy Group Members,
I am posting on behalf of Anonymous, a group of anonymous posters who are best known for our current war on Co$ (not to be confused with the Church of Scientology).
It came to my attention that some posters were planning an attack on your site that would trigger epilepsy. For this reason we advise you to not follow links with out checking what domain they're going to (you can do this by hovering your mouse over the link and looking at the status bar) and disable animations.
This attack seems to be an attempt by Co$ to implicate us in something illegal. We are sorry that you have been dragged into this conflict.
~Anonymous
I hope that this despicable assault can be, and shall be, prosecuted to the fullest extent of the applicable laws. An interesting case... It's a sort of neurological trespass and vandalism, or a DOS on one's own CNS.
Incidentally, Coeur d'Alene is in Idaho, not Ohio.
long term infiltration is standard MO for Scientology, and given previous encounters between /. and Scientology i am quite suspicious of such sparsly posting accounts suddenly active in this thread alone after almost a year without posting. http://slashdot.org/~Kyokugenryu
not a sock puppet, but possibly a Scientologist operative.
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
My first hand experience with SoC is nil and Kyokugenryu posting history is similar to mine - extended and sporadic. So I I won't refute your point, but I prefer to assume the best in him/her.
I'll just say I agree with your sentiments on this particular post & it royally sucks that CoS practices mean we must have this debate. Alex
I stopped posting to /. when I finally realized, after years of using it, it was nothing but a bunch of *nix nerds complaining about how bad Microsoft is. I get the RSS feeds of both Digg and Slash, but I usually reply much more often on Digg than Slashdot because trolling there is a lot more fun. I'm just an oldschool /b/tard who thinks all this shit is stupid and too far away from the stuff we used to do. /b/ used to be about trolling furries (even though 99% of /b/ was furries), praising the GNAA, and watching DashBillions and SovietRussia troll all day. It's not the /b/ we built, newfags destroyed it. /b/ is dead, why do you think moot doesn't even care about 4chan anymore? When Lulznet (now partyvan) took the domain he couldn't care less, 4chan has become something not even he really wants to be associated with, but he makes so much money off of it, how can't he? He tried making it like the old days and removing forced anon, but newfags cried too much because they can't stand the thought of oldfags being there.
It is absolute immunity that corrupts absolutely.
Regards;
Yeah, yeah, yeah... we all heard that spiel before.
If it's GOOD, anonymous did it. If it's BAD, somebody else did it. Yeah, yeah... that's the ticket. Somebody else did it. Like maybe the victim. Yeah, the victim is PRETENDING to be anonymous, and did it to themselves to make US look bad!
Let's look at the reasons anonymous gives for not doing it:
1) They are not an organized group- they are individuals doing their own thing.
2) They have no leadership and therefore cannot plan to do anything.
Don't blame anonymous. They are just a mindless mob who HAPPENS to be anonymous to protect their identities. No, they are not a group, even though they network with one another, have a name, a logo, an image, and plan hacks, stunts, assaults and events. Of course, when any subgroup of the greater amorphous anonymous network does something bad, somebody gets on the boards and spams them with their damage control. Which they wouldn't have to do if some of them hadn't engaged in DDoS attacks, Pizza Bombing, Taxi Bombing, Crank Calls, Threatening Faxes, White Powder hoaxes, and other terrorist acts most of which they DID take credit for at the beginning of the year.
Anonymous started on the wrong foot, they say. NOW, they don't do bad things. Just ask them. Unfortunately, every bad thing that happens is going to be attributed BY THE PRESS and the PUBLIC AT LARGE to anonymous because it started it's PLANNED and ORCHESTRATED campaign against the equally reprehensible but legally operating Church of Scientology by committing CRIMINAL ACTS.
The only way to get the blame put where it belongs is for people not to ascribe to the image of anonymous. But they enlist people to join their ranks by giving them what they want. So, many of the legitimate critics of Scientology have donned the image and uniform of the anonymous movement and distribute and promote it's agenda whatever that is. Of course, the more people who claim to ba anonymous there are, the more people the perps have to point their fingers at when they commit crimes.
Unless they point their fingers at the VICTIMS, as they are on this board.
Your sig line says it all, anonymous.
Pay heed people.
Love,
Os
Hello :-) The first thing comming to my mind is : "Attack on epileptics is quite nuts. But spreading a rumour that it's an anti-scientology group who did without solid justifications is completely nuts. That sounds tortuous enough to come from pro-scientology people". I mean scientologist are so twisted and ready to harass by any means the ones against them, that they could well have perpetrated all that. Regretfully this scenario matches pretty well the extend of madness scientologists are used to exhibit boldly.
I couldn't help a loud laugh out while RTA. Again now: lol !
Bye.
Anyonymous and the OP, don't state it wasn't Anonymous.
The OP just uses lingo to separate the peaceful protesting anonymous, from the anonymous greifers attacking whatever they feel like greifing about, including Anonymous.
All the OP is guilty of is obviously intentionally throw a few seeds of suggestion that the attacks could also have come from purely external sources (Scientology) under the guise of, or manipulating those of Anonymous with fewer brain cells.
Throughout history some of the kindest acts imaginable have been done under the guise of anonymity.
Throughout history some of the worst acts imaginable have been done under the guise of anonymity.
And no, the Church of Scientology is not operating legally, hence the protests, times are a'changing, Texas is already moving to revoke their tax exemption that was based on lies and lawsuits.
This has the fingerprints of Scientologists all over it. Germany has it right: Scientology is a cult. It is dangerous. In a sane society, it deserves to be outlawed.
And just a quick shout-out to Tom Cruise: Blow me.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
I am a conscientious observer to this Anonymous/Scientology war, and I know that this was an attack by Ebaumsworld, not an attack by Anonymous. Ebaumsworld loves to do things like this to Anonymous.
This is deep and thoughtful and true. You deserve lots of mod points.
Watch your step on the porch, there's broken glass there.
Everything I've ever learned the hard way was based on a statistically invalid sample.
But the connection exists. The folks who were protesting scientology identify with the culture of the "/b/tards" and the "Internet Hate Machine." The folks were in a position to know the sort of hateful shit anons encourage their fellows to do. The connection between the scientology protester and internet assholes was there before the epilepsy stuff.
With friends like these, Who needs enemies?
7chan, etc being as dumb as theyt are, they are probably glad to get somebody else to blame it on
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Considering that calls for moderation in dealing with individual scientologists are often met with pythonesque taunting.
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
How folks "roll" == what they do. See also: T-shirts attempting to be funny.
7chan, 4chan == same shit, different sites (slightly different communities, but not by much)
"/b/ is not your personal army" == what happens when you try to give Anon a shitty target. In this case, Epileptics are a shitty target. (Autistics are a little better target; not that their issues aren't any more or less serious, but just for their drama factor. Same thing goes for Furries; fursuits are funny, sure, but it's the drama generated that makes them prime targets.)
Scientology == The Granddaddy of Anti-lulz. Period.
Actually, that was a clever quote reference.
Sadly lost among a post crafted in fourth grade.
I thought advertising agencies had been doing this for years. Or do you mean to imply that those flashing "YOU'RE A WINNER!!!!!11threeminustwo" banners aren't specifically designed as a mental assault?
The CoS protesters are not the true "Anonymous". Habbo, Hal Turner, Tom Green, that is Anonymous. This is exactly what we would do. INTERNET HATE MACHINE
This is just like that "hackers threaten to shut off power in cities" story. Another piece trying to scare everyone into believing the internet needs government regulation.
My issue is about running code on my system that has the potential to be obnoxious as all hell. It's not quite so bad if the content is only going to affect how the page is displayed.
Still, I think the right way to go is to describe an extension to html that is flexible enough to let you dynamic content fans to get your content updates, maybe do some SOAP-fu here and there, but not provide access to thinks like input hooks. I can see no compelling reason to hook the keyboard and do mouse crap. Modal message boxes are a similarly bad feature. Your web page should not screw with my browser.
I clearly wasn't picking a fight.
You can't take the sky from me...
I hereby propose that all anonymous-related stories should be tagged "anonymous," so we can more easily follow the exploits of anonymous for our anonymous amusement.