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Re:There is thing thing called "a phone".
The women DO deserve their day. So tell us why Sweden is stalling and not doing an interview to move this case forward? I mean they will interview a accused murderer in Serbia but they will not interview Assange!? That clearly shows that Sweden prosecution does not have the girls interest at heart. Also please explain why the girls texted a message, paraphrased in English "that we have to figure out a good plan of revenge." . This is in addition to one of the girls previous publication of the guide "Seven steps for revenge against an unfaithful lover". You have to admit, that does not put the story you have highlighted in a good light. I think everyone involved wants this to get to trial so these little details can be fleshed out in court, but Sweden is stalling by not performing a simple interview. Political Asylum is not given lightly, so the ball really is in Swedens court.
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Re:Prosecuted? Maybe not.
Gottfrid Svartholm (amongst others) was held in solitary for months, without charge, despite the ruling of Stockholm's Tingsr. So it is hardly a red herring, we have a clear example of solitary being used without charge. If you dispute this or wish to claim you would have to prove beyond doubt that they cannot apply the same treatment to Assange, and empty promises will not suffice.
I read your other comment. The facts we have on hand don't support it. If we look at what Swedens justice system has done in similar cases we see that they are fully capable and willing to interview suspected murderers in Serbia, so they are perfectly capable of interviewing a "minor rape" accusation in London if they really cared about resolving the case for the girls. Claiming it is a translation issue ignores this fact and is indeed just a red herring, but I am sure you know that already.
One google and we see that Borgström was fired by Wilén, and he even said so himself so I am not sure what lie your referring to. Also you provide no evidence that there WAS DNA found - all reports show that there was none found and the forensics on the condom show that it was cut with a knife/scissors. If your claiming all these reports are lies you had better come up with some references.
It is just a matter of weighing up the facts we have on hand and calling out the bullshit when we see it, and this case reeks to high heaven from the moment Marianne Ny reopened the case after it had been dropped. You may very well be right about the charges not being dropped and that the case is in a holding pattern despite the enormous damage it is doing to Swedens reputation and credibility as each month passes. Too many powerful vested interests here.
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Re:Prosecuted? Maybe not.
I find it hard to believe that a Social Democracy throws people in solitary before formal charges have been brought.... Are you seriously claiming that the Social Nirvana that is Sweden treats defendants worse than the United States?
Well prepare to be shocked by Swedens draconian system then, as it has already happened. We have well documented examples of people being held in solitary FOR MONTHS without any charge. One of the more high profile examples was Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Svartholm, just another who pissed off the powers that be.:
"concern surrounds the Swedish detention facility, where Mr Assange would be held incommunicado upon arrival. Similar treatment can be seen in the case of Gottfrid Svartholm, founder of The Pirate Bay, who was held in solitary confinement for months without being officially charged."Lost in all of this are his alleged victims, whom are supposed to actually receive some measure of justice. Their allegations may be completely bogus, totally legitimate, or lie somewhere in between, we'll never know as long as he keeps ducking the judicial system.
Interesting you should mention them - because if Sweden actually cared about justice for the girls they would hold an interview as they have done for murderers, see "Assange is willing to return to Sweden but prosecutors can also question him in the UK.". Then Sweden could let the girls have some closure by pressing charges, or dropping them as looks increasingly likely. The plot thickens by the month.
For someone who proposes to have spoken a lot about this case you seem to be missing a lot of high level well known and confirmable facts. Things that make one go Hmmm?
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Re:Sweden is an US colony by now
Along with UK veto'd the discussion of NSA spying without informing their population, wiretapped Russia, and we know what they did with Assange and Pirate Bay. From a country that used to be proud of its defense of human rights the path to the bottom was pretty fast.
hmm where did you get that? the swedish freedom is the freedom to do nothing. there's even worse cases in past 12 years than what you provided though.
their biggest human rights faults have always been being too trusting of the americans wanting to do the right thing, or germans, or whoever. heck, they sell offensive weaponry too, as if USA wasn't using it in offensive ways.
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Sweden is an US colony by now
Along with UK veto'd the discussion of NSA spying without informing their population, wiretapped Russia, and we know what they did with Assange and Pirate Bay. From a country that used to be proud of its defense of human rights the path to the bottom was pretty fast.
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Re:Illogical all around
The US government has already shown they really don't give a shit about him. He is not worth the bother.
Except that the CIA set up its Information Review Task Force (aka Wikileaks Task Force, WTF) solely to deal with Wikileaks: 80 defence analysts working 24 hours a day (later increased to 120 analysts) in their self-styled "Wikileaks War Room". Why would the CIA assign 120 full-time defence analysts to deal with someone who "they don't give a shit about"?
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Stratfor Wikileaks Hack Paybaaack
Payback for recent Anonymous hack of Stratfor. Corrupt global economic hitmen protecting themselves by going after the whistleblowers, yet again?
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Re:While they're at it
further restrict our online privacy.
They want to make more criminals. Yadda yadda yadda law enforcement make-work program for otherwise unemployable combat vets coming home. Those of you in certain states like California are used to being bombarded with news of squabbles over union pensions and union this and union that. The teachers' union is obviously the most evil, according to the local Fox syndicate, and so they deserve to be cut first and hardest because its their fault you're too busy reliving your own failed childhood dreams to properly raise your own damn kids. But, it's funny how the prison guards' union was never mentioned through it all.
Look at the bigger picture. Your corporate leadership wants to kick out all the expensive, skilled personnel and replace them with cheap foreigners who will Autocad for peanuts because it beats the hell out of working in a shit-ridden shoe factory. The angry displaced born citizen workers, desperate when their unemployment and savings run dry, will then be jailed for terrorist threats because some plainclothed cops overhead them badmouth the government in a coffee shop, and their jailers will be all those predominantly minority combat vets and/or desperate immigrants who still believe in a god and find a roof over their head and drinking the government Kool-Aid preferable to shitting in a stool pit in some Nicaraguan villiage square. It's a make-work problem that solves itself! -
They Sure did have it coming
Considering the news from just the last week:
- WikiLeaks: Iraqi children in U.S. raid shot in head, U.N. says
- Wall Street Journal: Why Does Jeanne Whalen Have a Hardon for Julian Assange?
- The Guardian Leaks unredacted unpublished US diplomatic cables
- Former Wikileaks Spokesman Destroyed Documents
- New Your Times: The Nixonian henchmen of today:
I am not surprised at all that powerful organizations continue to attack them, cheered on by the usual propaganda fan club.
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Re:A Tale of Douchebaggery and Egomania in Three A
Trolling much? Try pushing your script in Hollywood. Maybe you can get Charlie Sheen to play Julian Assange.
DDB is a CIA stooge. He has single-handedly almost completed the destruction of WL documents which the US vowed to do a year ago.
http://www.menwithfoilhats.com/2010/08/pentagon-vows-to-compel-wikileaks-to-destroy-documents/
http://wlcentral.org/node/2170
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Re:A Tale of Douchebaggery and Egomania in Three A
Trolling much? Try pushing your script in Hollywood. Maybe you can get Charlie Sheen to play Julian Assange.
DDB is a CIA stooge. He has single-handedly almost completed the destruction of WL documents which the US vowed to do a year ago.
http://www.menwithfoilhats.com/2010/08/pentagon-vows-to-compel-wikileaks-to-destroy-documents/
http://wlcentral.org/node/2170
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Re:More information please
If you have been following DDB and Wikileaks since last year, the mud was actually flowing from DDB toward Wikileaks/Assange, not the other way around. DDB went so far as to write a book about his time at Wikileaks, generously throwing mud at Assange in the process. There was such retarded stuff in there that it made DDB look silly, obviously he was holding a grudge. In the few instances where Wikileaks referred to DDB was to say he had been fired at some point in the past, period. No mud-slinging. This week only Wikileaks addressed the DDB-saga by disclosing more about DDB when it appeared the unpublished leaked materials was not going to be returned.
No need to speculate, stick to the track record so far to judge, and Wikileaks' track record is impeccable when it comes to standing up for whistle-blowers, to publish their leaked materials, and to defend in court the publication of their leaked materials. On the other hand, DDB's track record rather shows a trampling, not support, of the whistle-blowers' wishes.
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Swedish Court System - A medieval political circus
The Sweden "court system" for this issue is almost a regular medieval political circus. Look at what Sweden has all but promised Assange in his "fair" trial: Solitary confinement before trial without access to his lawyers. Closed door secret court - no one will hear let alone be able to refute any testimonies. Three of the four judges to be (or appointed by) politicians! Not to forget that the case was closed before being reopened by, you guessed it, a politician - apparently because they say the girls did not know they were being raped at the time and it is up-to their court of laypersons to decide (I kid you not, crazy system Sweden has, huh). The rabbit hole of deceit by Swedish authorities goes way deeper than most would like to see however - in this case starting with the Swedish prosecutor Marianne Ny, lawyer Mr Claes Borgström and their relationship with the Swedish Democrat party which stands to gain from this circus.
Who in the right mind would not try to fight for a fairer trial than this? I don't care if it is Assange or anyone else, Sweden should be ashamed of these "courts", if you can even call them that.
The only good thing coming out of this abuse is the increased scrutiny on the very broken European extradition laws - and perhaps some Swedish rethinking their leaders (although the last election shows this to be unlikely).
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Swedish Court System - A medieval political circus
The Sweden "court system" for this issue is almost a regular medieval political circus. Look at what Sweden has all but promised Assange in his "fair" trial: Solitary confinement before trial without access to his lawyers. Closed door secret court - no one will hear let alone be able to refute any testimonies. Three of the four judges to be (or appointed by) politicians! Not to forget that the case was closed before being reopened by, you guessed it, a politician - apparently because they say the girls did not know they were being raped at the time and it is up-to their court of laypersons to decide (I kid you not, crazy system Sweden has, huh). The rabbit hole of deceit by Swedish authorities goes way deeper than most would like to see however - in this case starting with the Swedish prosecutor Marianne Ny, lawyer Mr Claes Borgström and their relationship with the Swedish Democrat party which stands to gain from this circus.
Who in the right mind would not try to fight for a fairer trial than this? I don't care if it is Assange or anyone else, Sweden should be ashamed of these "courts", if you can even call them that.
The only good thing coming out of this abuse is the increased scrutiny on the very broken European extradition laws - and perhaps some Swedish rethinking their leaders (although the last election shows this to be unlikely).
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Re:Actually, that's not what it says...
Nobody RTFPDF before stuffing the
/. submission system with this crap because (A) Wikileaks just won a prestigious, rarely awarded Australian peace prize (see video here full of stuff to rile up the establishment) and (B) A US Grand jury into busting up transparency supporters, whistleblowers and Wikileaks is just warming up and calling people in to testify in secret. To negate these big-news headlines (on the world stage that is - not so much in the US it seems), the anti-whistleblower spin machine has had to invent extra negative stuff about WIkileaks today - hence this £12M "gag on it" spin. (BTW - Notice how the two factual stores on Wikileaks never made it even close to getting onto Slashdot submission. I agree with Nemyst post below - the Slashdot submission system appears to be all but owned). -
Re:good enough if their poor and/or the wrong race
There are not many Americans currently being tortured or indefinitely detained without due process, plus those being so overtly abused are very high profile cases.
There are however countless cases of law enforcement inventing evidence to harass or detain some random guy they don't like. And this writing analysis software will obviously get used by them.
In addition, foreign governments and peace organizations routinely get fooled by state secret police.
For example: Amn Dawla Leaks revealed that Gamal Mubarak and Egypt State Security were behind the Sharm el-Sheikh resort bombings in 2005 that killed 88 people and wounded over 200. It appears that Gamal Mubarak's motivation for the attacks was revenge against the resort owner Hussein Salem who had apparently reduced Mubarak's commission for an Israeli gas deal from 10% to 5%. Egypt had blamed Islamists and Bedouins. Pro-Palestinian conspiracy theorists had blamed Israel.
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Avoid Prison & more
Forget prison, they are just shooting them - videos and update blog: http://wlcentral.org/node/1312
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Re:Bitter from competition?
> The Guardian has made similar public claims
...I've said it before. The Guardian do not have clean hands in this saga:
http://wlcentral.org/node/839As someone else here put it, I wouldn't trust Assange with my life but I would trust him with my leaks. More importantly, I would trust him with my leaks well ahead of the vast majority of bottom-feeding scum in the mainstream press.
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two recent cablegate stories
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two recent cablegate stories
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two recent cablegate stories
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anonymous protest tomorrow! :)
There will be anonymous protests like everywhere tomorrow.
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FOIA and WPA
The Freedom of Information Act and the Whistleblower Protection Act are the single best deterrents against leaks, especially megaleaks like these.
First, federal employees with some social conscience commonly see FOIA requests deliver tangible improvements.
Second, any federal employee wishing to leak documents may avoid doing so by describing a desirable FOIA request to an organization like the EFF or Amnesty International. Such 'micro-leaks' may not be desirable for the federal agency filling the FOIA request, but they prevent real leaks, especially mega leaks.
Third, the WPA prevents all manor of leaks by instead encouraging whistleblowing. Did you know whistleblowing saves more federal taxpayer dollars than all other cost saving efforts combined?
Despite all this, Republicans stripped the Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act of its protections for federal employees working in classified projects and then secretly vetoed it.
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Read this before judging...
The Guardian do not have clean hands in this matter.
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Re:I don't know
Amazon is currently hosting wikileaks for a Danish media group, just not for wikileaks themselves.
I've a quick question for all the network gurus out there. The JS LOIC stops sending packets once the currently open connections without responses reaches a preset limit, which happens to be 1000.
Is that really how one should approach a DDoS? Would doing otherwise be a SYN flood which kernels now block fairly effectively? Or are they perhaps doing this to make it more like a virtual sit-in, i.e. all the computers play nice but still suck up time?
You'll notice for example that verified.visa.com:80 hangs around 1001 for several seconds.
Sorry if the question is stupid. I've never cared too much about networking details, especially related to silly DDoS attacks, but all the media talk about wikileaks made me curious just what people were doing.