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If climate change is a vast government conspiracy why aren't there any leaks yet? Oh wait: https://worldnewsdailyreport.c...

Neither. It's the World News Daily fact-checker for me.

http://worldnewsdailyreport.co...

I mean if told you that a hunter was mistaken by Canadian bull moose as a rutting female moose and subsequently sexually assaulted the hunter, you think that Fox News or the NYT would have the facts to tell whether that was true? Hardly.

But it is ...

Neither. It's the World News Daily fact-checker for me.

http://worldnewsdailyreport.co...

I mean if told you that a hunter was mistaken by Canadian bull moose as a rutting female moose and subsequently sexually assaulted the hunter, you think that Fox News or the NYT would have the facts to tell whether that was true? Hardly.

But it is ...

I figure that's this guy's plan.

Hi. I heard there is intelligent life in /. Now I found it. I thought it was a myth.
Thanks for the response and the time you took to write it. I mean it. If you were here, I'd offer you a beer.
I know about Venus, it rains lead. I think the Russians sent a probe there. It was crushed. That's where we're headed by the way. No matter what we do, we will become Venus eventually.

I wanted to link to the actual 2013 report, however they took it down. No surprise there, they took a beating and had to do a lot of explain'. However there is a BBC story about it here - http://www.bbc.com/news/scienc... . What was indefensible was where they admit there was a pause, yet they were even more sure it was happening than before. That's a very strong indicator there's an agenda, facts be damned. That's basic statistics.. well let's call it what it is - fraud. I'm sure the IPCC has access to real statisticians and they should know the confidence must go down in that situation. Again, unless there's an agenda. Reminds me of a student that knows the outcome of an experiment and fudges numbers to get the correct result. Never mind his actual numbers. Yes, I can tell.

Jail bit - I guess you're not watching the news lately. I see the idea popping up here and there. Not just in the US, other countries like Germany.
http://www.washingtontimes.com...
http://worldnewsdailyreport.co...
well you get the idea, just google "jail global warming deniers" Of course simply questioning if CO2 is the cause wouldn't help you. They don't want any descent or discussion.

Now for the discussion. Things were warmer, very recently in geological time. We had settlements in Greenland, that are coming back into view due to the snow melting. They date to around 1500s (http://archive.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland/). Before our little ice age. If you look into Venice, you'll find that they were trying to keep out the Adriatic in the 14th century. So let's not be so quick to blame man, it was happening without him. What really gets me is when there is a period that they can't explain, they'll go to whatever they can to try to explain it. If we get an odd hurricane like Katrina or just about anything else happens (too cold, too hot, nothing happened, hurricane, etc) - it's MMGW. No, it's weather. Recently if you look at Mr. Hansen from Goddard Space Flight Center, he said in 2000 that the 1990s was the hottest decade in the 20th century. Then he had to admit it was really the 1930s. He blamed it on a y2k bug - yea, right. IMHO, it was a lie and he got caught.

So how do you explain these things? The 1930s being hotter than every other decade since up to 2000? How do you explain clear indications that prior to the 1600s it was warmer, much warmer? How do you explain with record levels of CO2, it's not a lot warmer to coincide with their predictions from the 2000 time period? You know the scientific method, I think. You come up with a hypothesis and then if something doesn't work out, you're wrong. They've been doing this for years, and there is still no indication they have it right yet. I'm starting to see where they're finally admitting other gases have a role in this. Before, nope - it's only CO2. Again, a clear indication of an agenda.

Having said that, I don't disagree that it's getting warmer. Maybe we can do something about it. Let's find what is really causing it to warm up and go from there. CO2 seems to be a good scape goat. Everyone produces it, let's tax it. As if that'll do anything more than make a few people very rich. It would go a long way towards their credibility if nobody could make money from the carbon tax. It must be spent on fixing it, not making Mr. Gore well beyond rich. It

You mean like this fucking vampire?

"I have no doubt that the NSA (etc) have been monitoring your top level communications the same as they have for the rest of Europe (etc)."

Not according to Wikileaks.

Absence of confirmation is not confirmation.

"Luxembourg demands clarification on NSA allegations"
http://www.wort.lu/en/politics...

"NSA spying | Luxembourg threatens military action against America"
http://worldnewsdailyreport.co...

Also didn't your PM have to quit over a spying scandal just a short two years ago?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...