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And people think this is new
Module music in the "scene" carries samples of the instruments along with the file. Yet Discover magazine thought an MIT researcher's work in the field was so novel that he was a finalist in their 1997 Discover Awards (see "Bringing Music to the Web"). A project (whos name escapes me) combines audio data with the music to play it, and calls it a new format.
Anyway, there are plenty of players out there if you want to listen in. For MS Windows users, there's Winamp, although I personally prefer Modplug over Winamp, hoping that my favorite player of all time, Cubic, will be worked on again and make a comeback.
Linux users have their choice of a variety of players. XMMS has a plugin available with the engine from modplug. Several others also exist as well.
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Wow.I didn't realize exactly what this was (the site linked is mega-slashdotted), but a quick google search turned up the following:
- It's part of the Linux Video project, which describes it as "completely useless to 99.99 percent of users out there. It is mostly of use to those interested in audio coding research and evaluating codecs."
- There's an XMMS plugin for it.
- It's also part of the ALSA project, which chances are provides your sound drivers if you're using one of several popular Linux distributions.
- RPMFind also has RPMS for it (try rpmfind ac3dec!)
Before someone accuses me of being a karma whore - I'm already over the cap and sinking towards 50 fast!
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Re:re-encoding?
You know, XMMS, my preferred music player, has this really advanced "plug-in" thing that allows it to register multiple file loading mechanisms at once so that you can listen to both MP3s and Ogg/Vorbis files with no problems... I have even heard WinAmp is capable of this!
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Seriousity moment: Personally, I made a simple choice. When I went from MP3 to Vorbis, I chose to Ogg only the new tracks that I rip, and those tracks that really sound crappy in MP3 format. The old MP3s were still there.
(Well, most of my MP3 collection were nuked due to disk space requirements anyway... and I have the original CDs that I'll rather listen to.)
When changing to different format, you don't need to re-encode the old tracks. (Unless, of course, the player for this format is Evil and will not allow coexistence of other players, but that's another issue.)
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Re:MediaOh, I see. You mean like the ability to play mp3 or ogg or DVD (see this artitcle although I still don't understand why people are so bent on seeing a dvd on their massive 21 inch monitor rather than their 36 inch tv).
Or, were you looking for the ability to mix/create video or record video in one of many ways.
or did you just want to play those MPEG-1 (there are several others) or MPEG-2 or or
Basically the point I'm trying to make is that the multimedia stuff is there already. just use it.
The one piece I know of thats missing is Sorenson (sp?) codec quicktime player. anyone doing this, or know of a project that is?
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Re:And in other news...
If you can listen to a MP3 stream, you can record it. XMMS can save streaming audio or you can use downloading utilities like wget to directly download the stream.
The RIAA doesn't like MP3 at all because there's no real way to attach any copyright protection to it. They are currently turning a blind eye to MP3 broadcasters, but that position may later turn hostile. For now, all MP3 broadcasters should abstain from publishing playlists for future shows, and archiving high-quality copies of old shows to avoid future legal battles.
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Re:Windows Media player
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Re:KDE: one of the most successful OSS projects
KDE comes with so many other good programs as well, like KNode (News reader) and KMail (lightweight email program)... Does GNOME have any comparable programs?
Errr... yes! Pan is probably the best free newsreader for any platform, Evolution is an incredibly well-integrated mail, calender and addressbook program, and Balsa is a very decent more lightweight mail reader. For office programs, Gnumeric is way more advanced than KSpread, Guppi (still in CVS) is one of the only serious free graphical data analysis tools, GnuCash is very polished, and Dia rocks. Graphically, Sodipodi is shaping up very nicely, gPhoto rules, and the GIMP integrates better with a GNOME environment than with KDE. And then there's XMMS (the best mp3/ogg/mpeg/divx Linux player), Grip (the best CD player/ripper combo) and GStreamer for multemedia; there's GnomeICU, Gabber, Gaim and X-Chat for messaging; there's Gnapster for file-sharing; and there's more useful utilities (e.g. Bug Buddy), system utilities (e.g. Red Carpet), and panel applets than you could shake a stick at. And I know I've missed out quite a few more (Gnome-DB, Oregano and Dr. Genius have just spring to mind - and, yes, Galeon, which rocks and is now my primary browser). In other words, GNOME is hardly short on applications.
If anything, I've often found it to be the other way round. While Konqueror rules, and KWord is much better featured than AbiWord (though I personally dislike the interface), I think where KDE usually excels is in the underlying desktop core, rather than the applications. But that's just my opinion.
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Re:GPL --BSD
I'm conflicted about this: on the one hand, I am concerned that companies will glom on to Vorbis, make proprietary extensions, and not release them back into the free software pool. Not good.
Let them. I'll just keep using Oggenc or LAME for encoding and I'll play them using Xiph's Winamp plugin and XMMS, which has the Vorbis plugin now in the main source tree.They can embrace and extend all they want, but the free stuff will still be there.
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Re: 2.4.0 & XFree86 4.0.2Yeah, I'm having similar problems with 2.4.0 and XFree86 4.0.2. I went back to 2.2.16--which is playing havoc with my System.map, 'cause I'm too lazy to get a proper copy:-) Anytime I'd run Netscape, or a few other apps (xmms, gnucash), after a fairly short period of time the entire system would hang. 'Twas bloody annoying. I refuse to be reduced to only the console--this is my desktop machine here--and thus for the nonce I am back to 2.2.16.
I've a feeling I might need to fiddle with the shm filesystem and it'll go away; I understand that it's needed to make shared memory (and hence X) run properly.
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Skinnable? *sigh*
It will be skinnable in newer versions
I really hope that by "skinnable" you mean that it will use the widget set that your window manager & desktop environment provides, or at the very least provide that as an option.
That last thing in the world we need are 500 "desktop-ready" applications, each with their own skin format. I already use four different applications that have separate theme formats: XMMS, Nautilus, Mozilla and gkrellm. Combined with GTK and Sawmill, that's 6 different theme formats I have to keep track of. (Well, that's kind of a lie; I have Mozilla installed so I can use Galeon...)
I don't need a themeable package manager, ICQ client, mailreader, image editor, web server, and SETI@Home client. Desktop environments provide those widget sets for a reason...
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Re:Not like MP3.com
MP3[.com] is paying for the rights to license the songs for a limited time, so that they can stream them like one would stream a radio station. However, Napster is licensing in a different way - they are allowing people to download the songs, and keep them permanently.
There's no difference between the MP3 that you can download and the one that's streamed over TCP.
If you want to download (save a copy of) an MP3 that mp3.com doesn't have a download link for, all you have to do is tell your MP3 player to save it.
Example using mp3.com and xmms: click the "hi-fi play" button in the web browser; wait for xmms to get the URL; click the PL button in xmms; hold down the Load List button in the lower-right corner of the new window, and drag the mouse up to select Save List; in the resulting dialog, type some file name. The file name that you just typed will now contain the URL for the 128 kbps MP3 file -- you can do wget `cat file` or whatever.
The simple fact is, you can't prevent people from saving copies of things that you send them. If you have a web page, you can't prevent people from reading its source, because you send them the source every time they request the page. (CGI is different; you're sending the output of a program instead of a static file). The same applies to audio streams, video streams, etc. If you send the data to someone, that person has the data. Even if my xmms example didn't work, it would still be possible to use a wrapper program that writes the incoming MP3 encoded audio stream to a file and also sends that audio stream to the real xmms.
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Re:NullsoftHave you checked Xmms? It's every bit as good as winamp and it's for Unix. The plugins are coming along nicely. Winamp wouldn't be any better about the plugins because they would all have to be rewritten anyway to run on Unix. I really like the plugin that lets you use K-jofol skins with it. I also like the Palm Amp plugin. I like to use my Palm Pilot for controlling the music while I'm working on full screen programs.
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Re:redhat 7 bugs & QA
There is a fixed RPM on http://www.xmms.org
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Re:I don't get it.
Why bother waiting for cubic? Granted it was a nice player, but Modplug is presently the module player that's turning out the best output, and has the most features, and it's player engine has already been ported as an XMMS plugin.
Of course, neither Modplug nor XMMS are particularly demostyle, but I don't think Linux is a particularly scene oriented system. All those things that make it a "modern, secure, robust" operating system just get in the way of old-fashioned bare-metal coding.
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Stopping all the closed-source players... won't.
SDMI-enabled players are distributed out to surpass their existing versions. The MP3 decoders are time-stamped to expire (aka shutdown) on a set date, after which only SDMI will be supported. Nice, eh?
If that's true (probably not), you'll just see Winamp replaced with "WinMMS" (a port of XMMS) with hardly a hiccup.
Oh, BTW, if you can dig up a link to the article, mail it to me. You know how to fix up my address; bots don't.
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Re:yet another step closer...
> now if only there was a decent media player....
What would you like to have? xmms started as a winamp-clone, and with its plugin-architecture it's really getting a standard media player for me. At first, "x multimedia system" sounded a bit hi-flying to me, but with support for mp3-streams, mpeg, Ogg Vorbis, and, last not least, audio CD, it got my standard media player.
Of course, there is some work to be done, and there is ongoing work. You can't blame the developers for not supporting MS media, though, remember MS patents:-( I'm only using xmms, xanim and realplayer (getting real integrated into an xmms-plugin would be fun, think you get rid of the ugly Real UI:-), that's mostly all I need of media playing.
Of course, DVD's have to be playable under Linux! But that's a different story.
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Media player?Mainnsoft announced that Microsoft Corp. (NYSE: MSFT) had selected its MainWin solution to meet customer demands for a Solaris adaptation of Windows Media Player,
Uhh, I'm fine with xmms. -
Speaking of themes?
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Re:Finally far enough for some apps
Forget about Winamp - use XMMS instead
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2 mp3 streaming software programs
try mpg123 or xmms, both of these can stream mp3s. If these won't work for you, there's always http://freshmeat.net/.
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Re:Not surprised at this
So, on the plus side, it should be fairly straightforward to write a
.ASF/.ASX plugin for Xmms.
On the minus side, most of the interesting stuff seems to be in .WMA or .NSC format.
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K-J�fol skins
There is actually a plugin for K-Jöfol skins, just see under Vizualization plugins at the XMMS Plugin Page
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Official Press Release and ChangeLog
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Official Press Release and ChangeLog
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Re:Seamless mp3 files (mp4?)
My old mp3 player, mp3studio used to have those annoying gaps as well.
I am now using xmms and it seamlessly plays entire ripped cd's using a playlist. Use grip to rip the cd's and generate the playlist.
On another note, I think that we need a standard format for mp3 CDROM's. I would love to be able to pop my mp3 CDROM into a portable player, a computer or a car sterio and have it know in each case where the music and the playlists were located.
I propose that we use a directory structure of
/type_of_music/artist/album
where type of music is country, R and B, rock, various....
artist is the name of the group or individual that performed the work
alblum is the name of the collection of songs, singles should be used for a groups set of singles.
all the MP3's will be located in the album level of the subdirectory and each album subdirectory will contain a single M3U of the tracks that are present in that subdirectory.
There could also be one or more M3U's at the type_of_music and artist level to give a higher level view of how to play the music on the CDROM.
For instance, At the root level you could have M3U's called sad.m3u and dance.m3u all.m3u that contain colectively only sad songs, only dance songs and all the music on the cdrom respecively.
How does this sound? Anyone else have any ideas about how to do something like this?
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Mp3 Anytime - Anywhere for Linux Users
Oddly enough I posted this story last week but Slashdot ignored it..... Perhaps because I pointed out that the whole site is an exact carbon copy (check some of the html and layouts) of Myplay.com.
Myplay have been offering an online storage system like this for free for the last 4 months and they don't force you to use their technology, or limit you to streaming only.
So - for all you Unix users who don't want to cart a CD selection back and forth here's an online music HOWTO
(1) Get CD Paraoia or cdda2wav
(2) get LAME
( You can also get GRIP - that's a fancy GUI system that uses GTK - nice and easy)
(3) Extract your favourte CD audio to .wav files
(4) encode .wav files to .mp3 files using LAME
(5) Delete the .wav files
then....
(6) Get XMMS
(7) Listen to your funky mp3's
Now for the anytime/anywhere part....
(8) go to Myplay.com
(9) Get an account (they're free)
(10) upload your chosen tracks
(11) Listen to them wherever you go
okokok but there's more
If you want to show off your music taste you can assemble your favourite tracks into public playlists which anybody can listen to - so it's like creating a radio show. (they use icecast for this BTW)
Plus they've also got a few free tracks, both from themselves and from affiliates like emusic.com....
SO.... my.mp3.com is not Innovative... it's a copy.
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Re:Mirrors URL'ized
For your point and clicking pleasure, I took the liberty of linking these...
MIRRORS
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UK - http://uk.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (virginia)- http://us.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (los angeles)- http://ca.us.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (maryland)- http://md.us.xmms.org/plugins.html
Holland- http://nl.xmms.org/plugins.html
Germany- http://de.xmms.org/plugins.html -
Re:Mirrors URL'ized
For your point and clicking pleasure, I took the liberty of linking these...
MIRRORS
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UK - http://uk.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (virginia)- http://us.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (los angeles)- http://ca.us.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (maryland)- http://md.us.xmms.org/plugins.html
Holland- http://nl.xmms.org/plugins.html
Germany- http://de.xmms.org/plugins.html -
Re:Mirrors URL'ized
For your point and clicking pleasure, I took the liberty of linking these...
MIRRORS
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UK - http://uk.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (virginia)- http://us.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (los angeles)- http://ca.us.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (maryland)- http://md.us.xmms.org/plugins.html
Holland- http://nl.xmms.org/plugins.html
Germany- http://de.xmms.org/plugins.html -
Re:Mirrors URL'ized
For your point and clicking pleasure, I took the liberty of linking these...
MIRRORS
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UK - http://uk.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (virginia)- http://us.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (los angeles)- http://ca.us.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (maryland)- http://md.us.xmms.org/plugins.html
Holland- http://nl.xmms.org/plugins.html
Germany- http://de.xmms.org/plugins.html -
Re:Mirrors URL'ized
For your point and clicking pleasure, I took the liberty of linking these...
MIRRORS
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UK - http://uk.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (virginia)- http://us.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (los angeles)- http://ca.us.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (maryland)- http://md.us.xmms.org/plugins.html
Holland- http://nl.xmms.org/plugins.html
Germany- http://de.xmms.org/plugins.html -
Re:Mirrors URL'ized
For your point and clicking pleasure, I took the liberty of linking these...
MIRRORS
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UK - http://uk.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (virginia)- http://us.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (los angeles)- http://ca.us.xmms.org/plugins.html
US (maryland)- http://md.us.xmms.org/plugins.html
Holland- http://nl.xmms.org/plugins.html
Germany- http://de.xmms.org/plugins.html -
XMMS PluginHi all... Why not nominate my XMMS plugin?
It lives at http://stu.magd.cam.ac.uk/~jakdaw/xmms/
</SHAMELESS PLUG> - Jakdaw (too lazy to log in)
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XMMS Plugins
I'd like to nominate two projects from the XMMS plug-in competition.
Blursk - More configurability then you can imagine and seamless transitions between functions.
Blur Scope MAX - Trippy visuals combined with a build your own favorites philosophy.
(DISCLAIMER: I wrote the Blur Scope MAX plug-in)
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Re:I'm probably going to get beat up over this butXMMS is X11AMP. They just changed the name.
See: www.xmms.org
-- Gunnar
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its called XMMSworks the same, looks the same, even uses the same skins. check it out =)
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Re:What about WINE?
> remember that WinAmp does a buttload more than x11amp
Maybe I am wrong, but have you recently visited the XMMS home?
It's a long time since x11Amp switched to XMMS.
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Re:That sums it up, actually..
"and easier to configure than I expected"
"When *BSD is as easy to use, configure, and setup for my own personal needs and wants"
You contradict yourself. As it is, I find FreeBSD far easier to configure than Linux, for two reasons.
1) I find the BSD style Init process to be less complicated than SysV. There is one master rc script that is configured via one single config file. Local programs can be run via a single rc.local, and scripts placed in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ are executed at startup. Just how many files are there again in the Linux Init?
2) FreeBSD is an entire system, not just a kernel and a hodge-podge collection of packages the distributor includes with it. The entire OS can be rebuilt with 2 commands.
This doesn't mean FreeBSD is better (it is better in other ways for other reasons.) I'm just reacting to your totally baseless claims.
"no apps!"
StarOffice and WordPerfect run just fine under Linux emulation.
The problem is that far too many Linux users think that Unix software is only for Linux. It doesn't occur to them that source code is *supposed* to be portable. Linux software developers are as guilty as this as anyone...they present their software as being for Linux, even if it compiles on BSD without modification!
Many "Linux" programs compile cleanly on FreeBSD. The ones that don't only require a few changes. That's what the ports system is for..someone's already made the changes for you.
Not only does the Linux Netscape run under emulation, but there's a native FreeBSD version as well, and has been at least since 2.2.2.
The xmms (formerly x11amp) homepage says It works on most unix systems with sound, preferable OSS but on i386 systems any sounddrivers that is OSS compatible should work without any problems.
Of course..then they go and ruin it all by saying This player has most of the features as the original winamp from Windows 95/98/NT but it will of course feature some specials only available for the linux version.
This proves my point above about Linux software. People are being misled (though unintentionally) by the very people who write their precious software!
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A pleaPlease don't let stories like this put people off developing open source software. Yes, there are jerks out there, but there are some cool people as well.
About my only contribution to open source software has been adding Solaris support to XMMS; I've put a fair bit of work into it, but others have been forthcoming with patches, modifications and rewrites. Nobody has tried to claim excess credit for work or tried to fork it off, perhaps because I've been willing to accept that (a) I am not a brilliant programmer and (b) others can do it better. Noone has insulted me or called me names (one person said the code was a mess, but I agreed with him; he was one of the coders who supplied fixes). In short, my only experience within open source software has been good.
Open source projects can be very successful; just look at Apache, which has scores (hundreds?) of developers. However, the larger the project, the larger the requirement for a core developer or small core team to coordinate efforts.
In this case above, the maintainer perhaps couldn't devote as much time as he would have liked to the project (or as much as it deserved?) resulting in Mr J. trying to take over.
The world is full of jerks, and unfortunately some of them use computers. Try to make the world a better place by not being one of them.
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