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Y is already used as a name for this project

• In windows we have a control panel called "add/remove programs" and it helps us to manage the software that is installed, and the the components of our operating system. In linux we have rpms, debs, ebuilds, etc that we have to work hard to find out how to use. We have no way of creating programs commercially and installing them well. Many of the cited thousands of programs on sourceforge and freshmeat resemble the shareware of win95 found on tucows and download.com. I wouldn't use that software for most things and I'm skittish about using anything I can't buy in a box, with a user's manual and an installation guide. I might not ever use them, but a man page, or the author's sparse quotes on the web aren't usually enough for me. Don't misunderstand, I'm not saying add-remove programs is all good, but I sure think it would be a step in the right direction.

• Samba is an awesome product and I'm really happy to see the huge improvements in it since I started working with it some years ago, but working with it on the client side is almost always torture, the best implementation of it are using it within konqueror and nautilus, and they use the non-mounted/mapped style, rather than the quicker, connection based session style, and use more bandwidth and are slower. This needs to be fixed

• WE all hate the windows "we'll tell you how you'll do it" feeling but a lot of our friends and parents and non-geek specifically don't mind being told how they do it; at least they'll be able to do it. We need there to be a big switch we can throw somewhere where we can switch between these UI modes. It's really daunting to sit down at a computer and want to play solitaire, and you just don't know how, even if I can do it 300,000,000 ways (3hun mil) ways.

What desktop linux needs is ONE desktop to replace them all. That is; one set of widgets, one way of doing everything, and one interface for developing gui apps for linux.

Y-Windows--and Mark Thomas' paper there describes all the reasons. I have yet to heard anyone validly refute them.

They are aiming for a 1.0 release within a year.

Miguel,

I tend to agree that the existing toolkits leave a lot to be desired. But, what I would really like to know is what direction you (and others in the know) see toolkits going in?

Are we looking more towards things like gnustep or Y Windows?

Should we be looking to take the best aspects of each of these toolkits and create something new? (and if so, what do you see being included?)

Hell, Y-Windows is thinking of using SVG for describing all their widgets. They plan a 1.0 release within the year.

SVG is being used almost everywhere I look. Icons are just the beginning.

the Y-Windows system is copyleft.

When will we get the Y?

I'm waiting for Y-Windows, personally. They've been making great strides on their core widget set. They plan an initial X compatibility layer, but other than that it's a completely rewrite abandoning X all together.

Y-Windows is the future. Read the PDF paper on the site, which explains perfectly all the reasons for completely discarding X aside from a mere compatibility layer for those who are stubborn.

Y plans to have a 1.0 release within a year. Let's help out...they're the first real project I've seen actually attempting a seamless replacement of the failed experiment (IMO) that is X.

If people would help finish Y-Windows, which will support driver module loading and unloading without even needing a restart (imagine the ease of upgrading video drivers), ATI would probably be putting out drivers more often, with better support. Right now you have to compile Radeon DRI into the 2.6.3 kernel if you have a card up to an 8500. Higher than that, you use the XFree86 DRM drivers, or the ati-drivers.

That is correct. The gentoo team is considering moving to The Y Windowing System instead, when Y is more mature.

Y-Windows as recently covered on /. is such a GPLed redesign.

However, right at the moment x86-specific speed tweaks are less important than a smarter deisgn that works better irrespective of the platform you're running on.

Y Windows is currently under heavy development and not yet suited for end-users -- and is unlikely to be so for a while.

Freedesktop X server
y windows

Would that be X vs. Y debates?

"promise not to throw a brick through your X Windows"

So they're racketeering. But why should anybody care what happens to their X Windows?

btw, I didn't know that the "The Godfather" movies were legal in Utah. Where else did SCO dream up their schemes?

Why use Opie when Y is here! Y is small, fast and free! The ideal replacemnt for X and Opie. 0.2 has just been released and is an exciting system, complete with hardware acceleration, alpha blended widgets and more!

Get Y!