Anybody do the math here? $500m is their GROSS income from these domains when their NET annual profit is more than 1000 time bigger. They're not making any important profit here. That they allow this is probably just a volume-mitigated oversight. If I sell a Widget that breaks for a $1 profit and a company that makes a better, more durable version sells 1 billion of them for $2 more and pays $1.50 more, for them, and makes $100 Billion dollars, I'm pretty sure I'm still the evil one.
I think is right on target, and add that the closed-culture at Apple functions to so specifically target this, in part through the secrecy. People always put themeselves into groups. You would never know a true free-thinker if you met one, and you probably wouldn't like then very much, too much of a perspective gap.
someone else has already seconded this -- so I'll just add My $0.02us. I like that python has strict rules on coding style. Also -- while python has a lot of good features, I'd definitely suggest (to you student) that C be next, so that he'll appreciate python better, and know a classical language as well.
FWIW -- I find the majority of this story, stupid, in general, but your comment shares one of the least bits of actual sense.
I don't think a genuine assumption of privacy is possible, no matter how many I-saw-it-in-a-movie things you use to block google.
The fact is, as someone else commented, People commit crimes everyday, it's who gets prosecuted that's the problem. Personally, however, I think that the issue of being a dissadent runs deeper that my privacy in google, and that, ultimately, I'm less likely to be incriminated by my web activity than any other, but My hope is that I will be able so Subpoena Google in my own defense.
As far as sharing it with secretive agencies... this is a government control problem, not a Google Problem
I've solved the drm problem for myself. When in less than a year, the denve stations all swtich to hdtv streams, I suspect that will be the last of broadcast TV in my house. My family doesn't pay for cable or satelite, we just get what we get. I don't even watch tv anymore, except in hotel rooms, So I don't care.
I read papre newpapers and online journals, TV has eliminated my need for it. THere's never anything on, and I can do more interesting things without it. I congratulate the folks at RIAA who have removed my need to purchase anything at all, really. I can listen to broadcast radio if I'm REALLY bored, or I can continue to break the law by putting copies of the few remaning copyable cds on my music server. I hope they DRM even more, so I have even less motivation to pick up their crap.
I go to theaters to watch movies and friends to watch DVD's but I won't be a consumer for much longer, there's just no point. If I break it it's gone. I'd still buy ut2k4, a great game becuase 6-months or so after release, I don't need a no-cd crack, it just doesn't require one, it runs on linux, and is just great.
I say DRM it up make me buy it 3 or 4 times, You can keep it. I don't need it that bad.
I Develop Web Pages semi-professionally and I feel that using javascript to produce some basic functionality is the best way. As I see it the only alternative is flash, which I dislike becuase of the insecure way that it runs, and because I've always felt it was buggy and caused problems on the computer I use. I hate the installation process on linux, and javascript can completely replace it, SO I guess I just miss the point. The fact is, Javascript is as secure on firefox as flash or any other form of animation, so I think you're off base. ON the other Hand, Konqueror has really crummy support for it, so It's always good to make usre that basic functionality doesn't require the javascript, but so few developers realize they do the same thing when using flash. Honestly how many people go without javascript on a regular basis? I'd be surprised to find out that anyone does, since almost every website in existence reguires it in some form or another, in order to function.
Actually, all the signature on the credit card reciept is only a way to verify identity. The Agreement you made on the cardholder forms for the card garantees payment. However, the signature on the recipt has one feature of being legally or not legally binding: you can charge-back any charge you didn't sign for, on the grounds that the store can't prove you were present at the time.
Yeah, that's what I though: I think this is most important because it shows that linux is stating to matter to the mainstream. Additionally, this is a little more free advertising for "that linux thing" that we all know and love
You all tout desktop linux like it's in the near future, then when a company brings a trusted name over to the linux desktop, all you see are complaints about how it's not free.
I think these complaints refrence the summary not the vendor. people are complaining that the summary is wrong/inacurate.
How about stop whining and give them a little support. Nero has been around on windows desktops for quite a while. Not that it's going to be the app that makes 2 million users stand up and switch, at least it's a start. People can now use their 'favorite burning application on linux' if in fact that is their favorite.
don't know if you looked at this product at all, but I wouldn't switch. NeroLinux uses gtk1.2 which is old, looks old, and doesn't really apeal at all. I think more people will be 'burned' by Nero Linux and leave the platform than those who will switch becuase they can use it to burn other things. (pardon pun).
The point is joe schmoe doesn't even know what cdrdao is, nor does he want to learn another application.
I find it more likely they'll be pleasantly surprised by (k3b/nautilus-cd-burner) which both work great. I don't know how to use cdrdao, and don't intend to use it, I'll use GUI apps to do this type of thing, or I'l use windows.
Yet, you say linux is destined for the desktop? I say bullshit. It's not destined for anything.
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The biggest hurdle to Desktop Linux, is the current users of linux themselves
software not being GPL is not really the issue here. Tthe issue is whether customers are the source of profit or theft. Trust customers and your product will sell, treat them like theives and expect a GPL product to compete. I really think that's the whole picture.
A product doesn't have to be GPL to trust me and not treat me like a criminal.
no.
This is an example of an image imporvement / marketing move that will probably backfire. NeroLinx Adds little/ no new functionality to the desktop. I use various form of non-GPL software even on linux, and I do so becuase there are no comperable linux products. Photoshop released on Linux will still be photoshop, unless they wait until gimp developers duplicate ALL of the're prized features. Macromedia is in the same boat. I complain the companies with useful software fail to develop for linux until someone has already developed a competing product, especially a better one with OS/DE integration (k3b/nautilus-cd-burner). Bad move on Nero's part does not make your case.
No one's calling for them to GPL their software. A vendor can license as they please; I don't really think non-stallman-ites really care that much.
As far as distro ports? um. . . explain rpm2ebuild, rpm2deb, targz2rpm, deb2rpm and similar programs. as far as distro compatibility, newbs whine; but newbs always whine: it's what newbs do.
not sure how parent was modded 'insightful': try 'flamebait.'
about 2 years ago, I was looking for a copy of nero that worked with linux. You know, right about the time k3b was released?
I think that they're just a little behind the eight-ball since I can use a real gnome-navite app like nautilus-cd-burner, or sound-juicer instead. Would have been interested in the past. Now? not so much.
in short: yes. don't you see it moving that direction. Just look at network atached storage, the new wizards in windos 2003 server, the way linux/Novell/IBM are moving to less configuration, more automation. eventually,function will be segmented and generalized, and there will be no need for VP of IT: the dell (insert name of competitors here) sales rep will be the "in effect" VP of IT. they'll sell the "solutions" that customer needs, and the customer will buy "solutions" to real-life BUSINESS problems.
Um... not the best example of good code. Have you ever tried to do anything with microsoft tcp/ip stack? one of the most self-corrupting pieces of software on the window platform: win9x->XP. I'm not bashing BSD either, Just pointing out you contradicted yourself; probably on accident.
I use LInux as My primary sdesktop, and windows when I have to. . . but one of those have to's is just that there isn't a complete app for linux that can handle my document needs. Openoffice works like a copy of a copy, developed too quickly by too few people with too little planning, and without really paying any attention to how it should have been done. OO.o feels like 90% of development time was spent tweaking the interface so it would be identical to Office, and 10% of the time was actually spent doing th development. That's retarded. I think that Mozilla's team is the only group I've seen that has any hope of developing a really good cross-platform app to do that kid of document processing. I really appreciate all the work done on OO.o but it's not going to last, it's disgraceful, and I'll aplaud when someone comes along (like abiword, and gnumeric) to completely destroy the marketshare it's developed in the linux community.
There are good apps, and there are mediocre apps. most linux apps are of the former and it's sad that the mainstream Word Processor is of the latter. [/rant]
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Anybody do the math here? $500m is their GROSS income from these domains when their NET annual profit is more than 1000 time bigger. They're not making any important profit here. That they allow this is probably just a volume-mitigated oversight. If I sell a Widget that breaks for a $1 profit and a company that makes a better, more durable version sells 1 billion of them for $2 more and pays $1.50 more, for them, and makes $100 Billion dollars, I'm pretty sure I'm still the evil one.
I think is right on target, and add that the closed-culture at Apple functions to so specifically target this, in part through the secrecy. People always put themeselves into groups. You would never know a true free-thinker if you met one, and you probably wouldn't like then very much, too much of a perspective gap.
you're old-fashioned!
someone else has already seconded this -- so I'll just add My $0.02us. I like that python has strict rules on coding style. Also -- while python has a lot of good features, I'd definitely suggest (to you student) that C be next, so that he'll appreciate python better, and know a classical language as well.
FWIW -- I find the majority of this story, stupid, in general, but your comment shares one of the least bits of actual sense. I don't think a genuine assumption of privacy is possible, no matter how many I-saw-it-in-a-movie things you use to block google. The fact is, as someone else commented, People commit crimes everyday, it's who gets prosecuted that's the problem. Personally, however, I think that the issue of being a dissadent runs deeper that my privacy in google, and that, ultimately, I'm less likely to be incriminated by my web activity than any other, but My hope is that I will be able so Subpoena Google in my own defense. As far as sharing it with secretive agencies ... this is a government control problem, not a Google Problem
technically, this is a calculus problem
I've solved the drm problem for myself. When in less than a year, the denve stations all swtich to hdtv streams, I suspect that will be the last of broadcast TV in my house. My family doesn't pay for cable or satelite, we just get what we get. I don't even watch tv anymore, except in hotel rooms, So I don't care. I read papre newpapers and online journals, TV has eliminated my need for it. THere's never anything on, and I can do more interesting things without it. I congratulate the folks at RIAA who have removed my need to purchase anything at all, really. I can listen to broadcast radio if I'm REALLY bored, or I can continue to break the law by putting copies of the few remaning copyable cds on my music server. I hope they DRM even more, so I have even less motivation to pick up their crap. I go to theaters to watch movies and friends to watch DVD's but I won't be a consumer for much longer, there's just no point. If I break it it's gone. I'd still buy ut2k4, a great game becuase 6-months or so after release, I don't need a no-cd crack, it just doesn't require one, it runs on linux, and is just great. I say DRM it up make me buy it 3 or 4 times, You can keep it. I don't need it that bad.
it's easier to use his code this way, I apreciate it. Also its good form to do it that way.
I Develop Web Pages semi-professionally and I feel that using javascript to produce some basic functionality is the best way. As I see it the only alternative is flash, which I dislike becuase of the insecure way that it runs, and because I've always felt it was buggy and caused problems on the computer I use. I hate the installation process on linux, and javascript can completely replace it, SO I guess I just miss the point. The fact is, Javascript is as secure on firefox as flash or any other form of animation, so I think you're off base. ON the other Hand, Konqueror has really crummy support for it, so It's always good to make usre that basic functionality doesn't require the javascript, but so few developers realize they do the same thing when using flash.
Honestly how many people go without javascript on a regular basis? I'd be surprised to find out that anyone does, since almost every website in existence reguires it in some form or another, in order to function.
Actually, all the signature on the credit card reciept is only a way to verify identity. The Agreement you made on the cardholder forms for the card garantees payment. However, the signature on the recipt has one feature of being legally or not legally binding: you can charge-back any charge you didn't sign for, on the grounds that the store can't prove you were present at the time.
Absoulutely. Switch when windows no longer meets you needs, to do anything else is just stupid. I use linux becuase windows doesn't do what I need.
Only on slashdot.. someone posts off-topic and spawns a whole thread until someone is actually maked 'funny' for resoponding to same off-topic post.
point(s) taken, moreover, I will review further up the page, I'm sure you're right.
IS there a BLACK Stormy???... or just a black Debie, . . . well and the other Debie.
Yeah, that's what I though: I think this is most important because it shows that linux is stating to matter to the mainstream. Additionally, this is a little more free advertising for "that linux thing" that we all know and love
You all tout desktop linux like it's in the near future, then when a company brings a trusted name over to the linux desktop, all you see are complaints about how it's not free.
I think these complaints refrence the summary not the vendor. people are complaining that the summary is wrong/inacurate.
How about stop whining and give them a little support. Nero has been around on windows desktops for quite a while. Not that it's going to be the app that makes 2 million users stand up and switch, at least it's a start. People can now use their 'favorite burning application on linux' if in fact that is their favorite.
don't know if you looked at this product at all, but I wouldn't switch. NeroLinux uses gtk1.2 which is old, looks old, and doesn't really apeal at all. I think more people will be 'burned' by Nero Linux and leave the platform than those who will switch becuase they can use it to burn other things. (pardon pun).
The point is joe schmoe doesn't even know what cdrdao is, nor does he want to learn another application.
I find it more likely they'll be pleasantly surprised by (k3b/nautilus-cd-burner) which both work great. I don't know how to use cdrdao, and don't intend to use it, I'll use GUI apps to do this type of thing, or I'l use windows.
Yet, you say linux is destined for the desktop? I say bullshit. It's not destined for anything.
This is Offtopic
The biggest hurdle to Desktop Linux, is the current users of linux themselves
I'd like to see that substantiated.
software not being GPL is not really the issue here. Tthe issue is whether customers are the source of profit or theft. Trust customers and your product will sell, treat them like theives and expect a GPL product to compete. I really think that's the whole picture.
A product doesn't have to be GPL to trust me and not treat me like a criminal.
Otherwise: good call: "More bullshit?"
no. This is an example of an image imporvement / marketing move that will probably backfire. NeroLinx Adds little/ no new functionality to the desktop. I use various form of non-GPL software even on linux, and I do so becuase there are no comperable linux products. Photoshop released on Linux will still be photoshop, unless they wait until gimp developers duplicate ALL of the're prized features. Macromedia is in the same boat. I complain the companies with useful software fail to develop for linux until someone has already developed a competing product, especially a better one with OS/DE integration (k3b/nautilus-cd-burner). Bad move on Nero's part does not make your case. No one's calling for them to GPL their software. A vendor can license as they please; I don't really think non-stallman-ites really care that much. As far as distro ports? um. . . explain rpm2ebuild, rpm2deb, targz2rpm, deb2rpm and similar programs. as far as distro compatibility, newbs whine; but newbs always whine: it's what newbs do. not sure how parent was modded 'insightful': try 'flamebait.'
about 2 years ago, I was looking for a copy of nero that worked with linux. You know, right about the time k3b was released? I think that they're just a little behind the eight-ball since I can use a real gnome-navite app like nautilus-cd-burner, or sound-juicer instead. Would have been interested in the past. Now? not so much.
If it's worth printing out: it's worth saving. If it's not, I don't save it. Paper: one of the cheapest data storage comodities available.
in short: yes. don't you see it moving that direction. Just look at network atached storage, the new wizards in windos 2003 server, the way linux/Novell/IBM are moving to less configuration, more automation. eventually,function will be segmented and generalized, and there will be no need for VP of IT: the dell (insert name of competitors here) sales rep will be the "in effect" VP of IT. they'll sell the "solutions" that customer needs, and the customer will buy "solutions" to real-life BUSINESS problems.
um. . . for what? can't you find the 'forgot password link' or are you just unfamiliar with runlevel 1
Um... not the best example of good code.
Have you ever tried to do anything with microsoft tcp/ip stack? one of the most self-corrupting pieces of software on the window platform: win9x->XP. I'm not bashing BSD either, Just pointing out you contradicted yourself; probably on accident.
to avoid posting duplicate: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=141694&cid =11874143
uh. . becuase it sucks. a lot.
I use LInux as My primary sdesktop, and windows when I have to. . . but one of those have to's is just that there isn't a complete app for linux that can handle my document needs. Openoffice works like a copy of a copy, developed too quickly by too few people with too little planning, and without really paying any attention to how it should have been done. OO.o feels like 90% of development time was spent tweaking the interface so it would be identical to Office, and 10% of the time was actually spent doing th development. That's retarded. I think that Mozilla's team is the only group I've seen that has any hope of developing a really good cross-platform app to do that kid of document processing. I really appreciate all the work done on OO.o but it's not going to last, it's disgraceful, and I'll aplaud when someone comes along (like abiword, and gnumeric) to completely destroy the marketshare it's developed in the linux community.
There are good apps, and there are mediocre apps. most linux apps are of the former and it's sad that the mainstream Word Processor is of the latter. [/rant]