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Non-PROFIT!?! What's wrong with these people? Donating their time and (most importantly) money, without ever considering getting something tangible (as in more money) back?

We have to rid ourselves of these evil communists before their cult of "sharing" and "cooperation" destroys the fabric of capitalism!

As the Great Prophet Ayn Rand once said, "Screw the poor, I got mine."

Or was that Ronald Reagon who said that? I can't recall. In any case...

We can't allow these godless pinkos to spread their ideas. We must rid ourselves of the whole notion of "altruism" and "selflesseness." People who care about other people will never help out those in need. Only people who care purely for themselves can help out the poor, the homeless, the sick, the underprivileged.

Join me as I pledge my allegience to these people, these leaders of the capitalist utopia.

Our Beloved And Respected Comrade Leader Bill Gates!
Our Beloved And Respected Comrade Leader Phillip Knight!
Our Beloved And Respected Comrade Leader Donald Fisher!

All Hail Monsanto-Novartis-DuPont-PhillipMorris-Time-Warner , Inc!


Michael Chisari
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Guilty as charged.

It's just that when I was a godless commie Warez swappin' Hotline-usin' no-good SOB, I was also a otherly-grammared, politically correct phraseologist.

Now that I'm a godless Corporatist profiteering flak, I am once again a grammar pedant. I use apostrophes correctly (even with the word "its" versus "it's"), I attempt to preserve voice whenever possible, and I never say "quote" when I mean "quotation."

Grammar is just another natural transition engendered by such a political shift; others are exemplified by driving a Porsche Boxster instead of a '69 Volvo Stationwagon, dating a woman named Elizabeth instead of one named Sunshine, and drinking dry martinis instead of Ernest & Julio jug wine.

OK. I admit it. Even with all those changes, I'm still a godless commie Warez swappin' Hotline-usin' no-good SOB. So sue me.
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Hopefully, when a court run by a TRUE conservative (USA style) gets hold of this, the mess will be over. Can you ever imagine a true conservative saying that a bunch of "lefties" in Hollywood should tell you what you can do with your own computer equipment?

No, they'll say that "the good capitalist owners of the Intellectual Property on the DVD have the right to protect their property, and as good, True Conservatives(tm), we will preserve property rights and fend off the godless free software communists!"

Couching this issue in a "conservative" vs. "liberal" cockfight is disingenuous and misses the point completely. Both conservatives and liberals have an appalling voting record when it comes to digital media, be it efforts to censor the internet (CDA), to entrench existing monopolies (DMCA), to prevent encryption (remember the defense fund for the Author of PGP?), or to gain control of the internet and silence its many non-conformist voices.

It was Orrin Hatch who cosponsored the DMCA, for crying out loud.

And Bill Clinton who signed it (and the CDA) into law.

It really doesn't matter whether you elect the Republican or Democratic branch of the Corporate Party of America, the policies on all but a few social issues deemed unimportant to the almighty bottom line (e.g. pro-choice vs. pro-life) have been decided at a higher level of authority and are nearly identical in both branches of the Corporate Party.

Personally, I'm voting for Ralph Nadar in the hopes he gets a high enough percentage to impact the policies of those who do win (Ross Perot succeeded in this, giving us the balanced budget we enjoy today). In addition, I am preparing a way to get the hell out of this country quickly. With nearly all of our civil rights in tatters and most peaceful means of effecting change neutralized by Corporate America, change, when it inevitably does come, will probably be extremely violent. I don't want to be anywhere near this country (the USA, or "CSA" as another aptly named it) when that happens. In the meantime I'll vote and raise a voice of protest, but if and when the shit really does hit the fan I'm outta here. I refuse to sacrifice my well being because the rest of America is to lazy and stupid to stand up for their own rights.

FreeUser - who (after following the conventions and the treatment of the attendant protestors) now believes the system to be broken beyond all possible repair.

We used to paraphrase Marx's

"From each according to his ability,
to each according to his need."

into

"From each according to their assets,
to each according to their greed."

Of course, this was in our godless commie Warez swappin' Hotline-usin' phase...

In the long run, it's OK. There are 90% leeches. But the 10% who make up the providers is not always the same 10% of the people. Today's leech is tomorrow's provider, and vice versa. Sometimes.
It all tends to work out eventually.
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It is no Secret that LEGO is an acronym stands for "Let's Expedite God's Obsolescence", an obvious call for Children everywhere to ignore their Traditional moral teachings and instead embrace the Liberal view of the world. By encouraging children to Create, liberals and atheists are trying to Trick children into believing that they have the power to create. Only God has the Power to create, as we know, but the Liberals want to brainwash our Children into their Godless viewpoint. To this end we must Ban LEGO and everything LEGO-related. Our Children must be brought up in a world where they are provided with a strong Moral Center. LEGO does not provide that.

You evolutionists say Creation Science is untrue, but I can prove you are wrong. I am a native of Wichita, Kansas, and a graduate of Robinson Junion High School and East High School, so I can enlighten you on the legal underpinnings we Kansans bring to Creation Science. In 1940 our state legislature enacted a law declaring L.Frank Baum's "The Wizard of Oz" to be the Official State Allegory of Kansas and further declaring it to be an allegorical representation of three Biblical truths--creation, damnation, and salvation. The preamble to this law reads as follows: "Whereas (1) "THE WIZARD OF OZ" is an allegorical representation of the Bible, (2) L. FRANK BAUM, its author, therefore represents the Bible's author, God, (3) DOROTHY'S HOUSE'S LANDING in Oz, and the attendant appearance of Oz on the scene, depicts the Creation of the Universe, (4) the film's subsequent SWITCH FROM BLACK-AND-WHITE TO TECHNICOLOR when Dorothy arrives in Oz symbolizes God's command, "Let there be light!," on the first day of Creation, (5)KANSAS, where Dorothy yearns to go, is heaven, created by God on the second day of Creation, (6) the SCARECROW, protector of vegetation, symbolizes the vegetation created by God on the third day of Creation, (7)the EMERALD CITY is the sun, created by God on the fourth day of Creation, and the many sparkling EMERALDS there are the stars, also created on the fourth day, (8) the COWARDLY LION symbolizes the living creatures God created on the fifth day of Creation, (9) the TIN WOODSMAN, an image of man, is man, created by God in his own image on the sixth day of Creation, (10)the WICKED WITCH OF THE EAST, on whom the house lands, is an unrepentant sinner, condemned to eternal damnation, (11) the CYCLONE that drops the house on the witch is the Wrath of God, (12) the AREA UNDER THE HOUSE, where the witch's body lies, is hell, (13)the WICKED WITCH OF THE WEST is Satan, (14) the WINGED MONKEYS are Satan's demons, (15) Dorothy represents Jesus, the epitome of goodness and purity, (16) Toto symbolizes Jesus' disciples, who follow their Master wherever he goes, (17) GLINDA THE GOOD is the Holy Spirit, which guides Dorothy [Jesus]in her efforts to defeat the Wicked Witch of the West [Satan], (18) the WIZARD is the prophet Elijah, who is carried off to heaven [Kansas], (19) the Wizard's BALLOON is the chariot in which Elijah is carried off to heaven, (20) AUNT EM AND UNCLE HENRY, who are already in Kansas [heaven], are angels, (21) the YELLOW BRICK ROAD is the road to salvation, (22) Dorothy's act of THROWING WATER ON THE WICKED WITCH OF THE WEST symbolizes baptism, which removes a major barrier to salvation, (23) the rosy RED SLIPPERS are a rosary, which enhances the power of Dorothy's prayer, and (24) Dorothy's famous words "THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME" symbolize prayer, which delivers her to heaven [still Kansas], now therefore be it resolved that "The Wizard of Oz" is ideally suited to be the official Kansas State Allegory. Three generations of Kansans have now been raised under our Official State Allegory. So every Kansan who is "officially" educated and pure of thought (that rules out a few atheists and Communists and Unitarians)knows that God did indeed create the universe (item 3), that he did so in six working days (items 4-9), and that all 24 things allegorically symbolized must be true because item 5 says Kansas is heaven, which is obviously true (an axiom of Kansas Creation Science),in which case everything else must be true too. Therefore, evolution is a whole bunch of malarkey, and Creation Science is indeed a science, and godless people like you should spend more time studying "The Wizard of Oz" and less time studying Darwin.

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BS. You just can't face, to put it in Chomskian terms, to expand the floor of your cage.

And see how you prove my point with every single word you type. You just have to deny the existence of radicals; your propaganda just does not live to the fact of this reality. You want nothing but others to believe the world is such that there are nothing but conservatives and liberals, so you can expose the liberals for what we agree they are. (Of course, you accompany this with some delusional ideas of what the conservatives are.)

The fact that there are people like me who break the pattern you want to impose on the world is the worst news you could ever have. You just want to deny the fact, even to yourself. But, non-buddy, no amount of denial will change the facts. Actually, *please* stay on denial. We could use that.

Heh, I bet you've never even done anything "radical" in your life.

Go tell that to the Canadian national security agencies, and the secret police of a couple Latin American states. I could use that break from a fine upright citizen like you.

Your ignorance of the Truth does not make it any less true. Some of us know in our hearts what is real, and some, like you, have been blinded by your liberal peers and educators into believing in the bleakness of the cult of atheism.

So do you believe in slavery, and that women are the property of males, as one of the commandments requires just to make sense?

Liberals are a bunch of pansies that talk about marginally progressive values while pandering to the megacorps.

For once we agree.

I am you fucking worst nightmare, that which you won't even let yourself publicly acknowledge exists (thus you choice of terminology): I am a radical.

Oooh, I'm scared. The sad truth is that your "radicalism" is just a pretence to cover up the fact that you really are a liberal but want to pretend that you are "extreme" because otherwise the fact of your insignificant, loveless, Godless life would send you spiralling into the pits of depression, suicide and Hell.

Heh, I bet you've never even done anything "radical" in your life. Oh, and masturbation doesn't sound, and nor does exposing yourself to small children.

Yeah, those people who see through your myth-making, and your reverence for the mythology of some random nomadic tribe from 3,000 years ago.

Your ignorance of the Truth does not make it any less true. Some of us know in our hearts what is real, and some, like you, have been blinded by your liberal peers and educators into believing in the bleakness of the cult of atheism.

Go back to BJU, you idiot.

If only I could. Those were happy days and good people.

Given you're a slashbot, this should be read as "I disagree with you". Why the fuck do you state the fucking obvious?

Because you need it spelt out to you since you're so ignorant?

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This bill/amendment sounds like it is another case of Congressional Chicken. Remember to bake lots of chicken pot pies in November!

Congressional Chicken, if you haven't heard of it before, goes like this:

Each Congressman: This bill is flat-out unconstitutional. (It clearly violates *at least* the First and Fourth Amendments, with prior restraint of speech, restraint of peaceful assembly, seizure without court authority and searches without timely notification.) But the voters in my district are SO DUMB (how dumb are they?!) that they'll applaud me taking a Tough Stand Against Drugs, Rapists and Godless Communists. Besides, the Senate would never allow this piece of crap to pass!

Now you jump to the Senate. Historically, they've had enough respect for "the system" that they would not play along. But Senators aren't cut from the same cloth any more, so they're also letting obviously unconstitutional stuff get through. After all, the President will surely veto this piece of crap!

Now you jump to the President. Sometimes he'll veto the bills, but it often seems to be a function of party politics. If the president can veto the opposing party's puff piece and come across like a "Statesman," it's history. If it's Dubya and a Republican controlled Congress dropping trousers and pulling out micrometers expect to see legislation that allows school crossing guards to summarily execute jaywalkers.

Ultimately it comes down to everyone's favorite bogeyman, the Supreme Court. They are the ones who throw water on the bonfires by saying that "speech" doesn't require words (e.g., daring to breast-feed an infant on a city bus to protest the laws that declare *all* naked breasts in public obscene), that we are *not* a Christian nation which can force people to swear oaths to Jesus before you can drive/vote/take office, etc. For the most part, they do a pretty good job. But nominees must be ratified by an increasingly politicized President and Senate that seem far too focused on litmus tests. (Disregard their protests of innocence.)

The bottom line in this game of chicken is contempt for the voter. They believe - and act on that belief - that the voters are too dumb to recognize clearly unconstitutional bills, and too apathetic to do anything about it anyway.

Unfortunately, history suggests that things will get worse before they get better. E.g., there are a lot of similarities between Congressional Chicken and the chicken-shit Court Martial that sentenced Pvt. Slovak to death for dissertion during WW-II. All of those officers believed that a higher court would commute the sentence, and meanwhile they could avoid appearing "weak." It took his death (his particularly gruesome death) for everyone to accept that they had to take responsibility for their own actions.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but what Im interpreting from the above statement is that you believe that prayer was removed from schools and replaced with evolution because of Sputnik?

Yes Plebe, I do. At about this time, Cold War panic had set itself firmly in our government. There was a frenzy to contrast our society against the "godless" menace of communism.

On June 14, 1954, Congress unanimously ordered the inclusion of the words "Under God" into the nation's Pledge of Allegiance. On July 11, 1955, President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed Public Law 140 making it mandatory that all coinage and paper currency display the motto "In God We Trust" in some cases replacing Jefferson's beautiful 'E Pluribus Unum'. It was enacted October 1, 1957.

It's funny you should mention Madalyn Murray O'Hair as she has written on the motivating influence of these legislative acts.

These actions took a backseat after the launch of Sputnik. The Sputnik scare prompted a renaissance in American science education, during which evolution worked its way back into the mainstream. In 1961, the National Science Foundation, in conjunction with the Biological Science Curriculum Study, outlined a basic program for teaching the theory of evolution and published a series of biology books in which the organizing principle was evolution.

You will find the Executive Directive, with mention of Sputnik and the United State's emerging space program in the National Archives; Records of the National Science Foundation (Record Group 307.4.2).

Or look at this.

Yes, but like I said, the quote indicates strongly that they are merely recognizing the national, not international, aspects of the internet. For one thing, US law only applies in US territory, so the standards of godless foreign states would be moot.

I believe that the near-infite resources and creative know-how of the Open Source community should shed some light on this contentious issue.

Taking a leaf from SETI@Home and other distributed-computing systems, I propose the creation of a new application tentatively entitled SMUTI@Home. While programming an AI system to recognise porn is doubtless an unrealisable pipe-dream, I propose that we place the highly discriminating pr0n-appreciation skills of the OSS community in the hands of those who have taken on the holy mission of defending the welfare of our youth, skills honed by years of furtive self-abuse in front of the glass tty.

The system will work as follows. SMUTI@Home's spiders will traverse the Web, the alt.binaries.* hiearchy, everywhere we expect this filth to rear its swollen tumescent head. Any time J. Random Horny Geek feels in need of a little, uh, code break, he simply double-clicks the SMUTI@Home icon in his system tray/ GNOME bar/ whatever, and the SMUTI@Home servers will send him a dozen or so suspect images, which he votes upon. Anybody wishing to prevent their young 'uns perusing this sort of smut can nominate a SMUTI@Home server as a blocking proxy.

What a splendid system! The horny geeks are guaranteed a flood of images, saving them the irritation of having to go look for them, while the Moral Majority can rest assured that the images their kids are downloading are being vetted by real humans (or, at least, geeks), and not some faceless, Godless, and probably useless AI bot. One more way in which the Open Source community enriches the world!

"If the courts allow Napster and services like it to continue to facilitate massive copyright infringement, there is a grave risk that the public will begin to perceive and believe that they have a right to obtain copyrighted materials for free," Valenti said.

You mean...like radio and broadcast TV? And libraries! Godless libraries, treating information as something other than a commodity...shame! SHAME! Don't they know they are promoting illegal and immoral behavior? Don;t they realize they are undermining the sacred trust of intellectual property? Libraries lead to lawlessness! Burn them all to the ground, I say!

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Of course - It should be clear that all the large problems in modern society are caused by the atheists.

Seriously - why to we need dogma for morality? I consider myself a decently moral person - and I hold to no faith whatsoever. Morality can be found just by looking at what is positive & negative human interaction. Many people have proposed what can be considered very high minded morality - and do not need a god to back it up. Two examples are the humanist movement (Human interaction that causes negative repercussions is probably bad, actions that make people's lives (and perhaps the world as a whole) better are porbably good.), and the writings of Ayn Rand (basically - don't steal - murder is stealing a body, fraud is stealing, etc...)

But I honestly resent the implication that the reason society is becoming more impersonal, and life is being devalued - is that soceity is increasingly filled with godless masses..... Ya know.....Atheists can be moral too.....

OK, Jon, this happened in Utah. Utah is not in general known for its high degree of tolerance of social malcontents. That goes double for small towns. And the fact that the Internet is, as everyone knows, the source of all evil and godless things only makes this worse. Basically you had a kid that hated everyone and that most everyone hated, who angered a lot of people. The "good people" of this town probably weren't counting on anyone really finding out about this on a national level, and I'm sure that this sort of thing has happened in this same town before to drug users, long-hair types, girls who got pregnant out of wedlock, and the like. The only thing that makes this unique is that "The Web" was involved. It does not signal a newly emerging social dynamic.

If anything, the fact that this sort of thing can now get instantaneous national attention will probably help put a stop to it. But let's not overreact, OK? It's just the same old story with a new form of media thrown in.

A number of US firms chose to trade with Third Reich, and are now being bullied into paying reparations to primarily Jewish groups for losses (real property) or lost wages (slave labor).

My point was that if trade is trade and we don't give a rat's ass about moral choices, then we shouldn't be paying off the Jews and others who are claiming damages. Hey -- Nazi Germany was just a country which didn't adhere to the same cultural values as our own and our businesses transactions with them were just business transactions, pure and simple, and we shouldn't feel any obligation to pay reparations to them.

My larger point is that we expect our Government's policies to be a distillation of our own values, and that it is entirely appropriate to box the Chinese on the ears over their human rights record when they come asking for a trade deal. This is especially important to our foreign policy in other parts of the world, like Muslim nations, that already think we're godless money grubbing heathens.

Earth's gravity just above the atmosphere (about 100 miles up) is about 95% of surface gravity. "Microgravity" is an effect of free fall: you aren't pressing against the floor because the floor is accellerating just as fast as you are.

The bottom line is that you need a delta vee of a few km/sec to drop something on the Godless Commies or the Yankee Imperialists from the other's territory, about 8 km/sec to put something in low earth orbit, or about 11 km/sec to reach the moon.
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Well Adams is an atheist(i've read that in many bios and interviews), and one of the ways he shows it is by 'disproving' god in the hhgttg books.. How can there be meaning in a godless world? I've found the books probably the most depressing thing i've ever read(Shakespearean tragedies dont even compete with Adams... Adams tells the truth and the tragedy is fact, not based on our emotions when reading these stories). And with all the amazing scientific advancements in the series, it really makes man feel worthless... Computers can do more than anything imagined or able to be done by man, time travel can help accomplish all feats ever existing in the universe(time travel to the last day and i would suppose the beings that exist would know all).. what can man do then?
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These are the same mofos who shut down Anon.Penet.Fi. Godless freaks!