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Red Hat Linux Available Free To UK Schools

Sara Chan writes "Red Hat is making its distribution of Linux available free to schools in the United Kingdom. This might mean that a whole generation grows up in the UK with very positive feelings about Linux: the long-term value could be really large. Red Hat will still charge for support (likely at a discount)--but this will probably just encourage schools to grow their own Linux gurus. "

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  1. Re:So where is the news? by worth · · Score: 4

    Yes, but the reason that they made this deal with Redhat is for the much needed support schools needed. Redhat agreed to give discounts for technical support which is a big plus.

  2. Re:Attention RedHat... by SoftwareJanitor · · Score: 4

    Unfortunately, very few OSes are secure out of the box with the default install. Most newbies with any given OS will generally install it in a less than optimal way as far as security goes. This isn't something that is unique to Linux, or unique in the Linux world to Red Hat. Certainly the same things are true of Windows 9x and NT, and true to a perhaps somewhat lesser extent to the *BSDs. Even the commercial *nixes default installs aren't locked down tight.

    What I would like to see Red Hat do is provide some options right up front on security settings similar to how you select 'client', 'server' or 'custom' so that you could pick whether you want your machine locked down tight, locked down a little, wide open, or let the advanced user pick and choose what they want for custom installs.

  3. CD ROMs and manuals do have value (was Re:Free?) by dsplat · · Score: 4
    Seriously, what value is a shiney box and a manual going to have for a school? They should be downloading everything for free anyway.


    I've been using Linux since the SLS distribution in the pre-1.0 kernel days. I'm not a kernel hacker, but I've recompiled it myself to add non-default drivers on a couple of occasions and I have configured LILO by hand once or twice ... successfully. I'm not a newbie even if I don't build my own system from scratch.

    And I like having a printed install manual and a CD ROM. There are a small number of documents that are useful in printed form. Installation documents, and the ones I need to recover when I screw up the boot process: LILO docs, Bootprompt HOWTO, that sort of stuff. The reason is blindingly obvious: I don't have a running system at the time I'm referring to them.

    As for the CD ROM, I've done the floppy swap install too many times. I timed it once. Flat out, a full install on my trusty old generic 166 MHz Pentium took about 6 hours off of floppies and about half an hour off a CD ROM. And I didn't have to sit in front of the machine to install from the CD ROM. Getting that kind of speed doesn't require any hardware that isn't pretty common these days even in schools with a tight budget. No missing or damaged floppies either.

    If Red Hat is supplying a boxed set to each school, I applaud them. Even if the schools don't install it, if they are willing to loan it out to the students through the library, then the students can try it out. Hmmm, maybe I'll donate a copy to the local library.
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    The net will not be what we demand, but what we make it. Build it well.
  4. Apple beneficiary by Corrinne+Yu · · Score: 4

    // deep thanks

    I was one of the early Apple 2 beneficiary to elementary and junior high schools.

    If it was not for Apple founders' foresight and generosity, I would not have had access (however great my desire) to coding and programming computers as early as I had wanted.

    This one random act of kindness changed my (and probably many others') life and where it went from then on.

    // Apple loyalty

    It did work and it didn't.

    In my case, I stood staunchly steadfast against DOS-tel (yup, that long ago :) ). (Windows? What Windows?)

    There were 2 circumstances that forced my hand very reluctantly away from my beloved Apples.

    a. Macintosh betrayal

    To me the creation of Mac-line (Lisa) itself, and then Apple's favoritism to Mac and abandonment of my beloved Apple 2-line (Apple 2 gs is ADORABLE!) hits me like a dagger to a naive child's heart.

    How could they abandon the simplicity of command line, the "hackability" of a machine you keep fiddling the internals with into this icky GOOEY dummy-proof box that discourage you from playing with it?

    Apple 2's have a LOT of room to grow. Dummy-proof-ing and pretty-fy-ing it was not what I was thinking.

    Apple 2 gs was a good and right direction. (ah I can program sound cards, I have more graphics programming options, yeah, etc.)

    Then the double betrayal of giving up on us loyal Apple-2-ers to support the new-fangled Mac-line, that was too much.

    b. $ and survival

    After a while, there is absolutely no (not even minimal wage) income to be made in Apple 2 ... compared to DOStel.

    So I sourly crammed in DOS knowledge and Intel processor knoweldge (was surprised how similar things are) ... and became professional DOS-tel programmer.

    Was "conformed" even before the Windows OS.

    c. could they have won?

    I don't know about the entire population, but I knew I would had stuck with the Apple 2 line if Apple itself would had stuck with it and not made the dreadful Macintosh thing.

    Even if it meant poverty and unemployment (in coding field, I will just do it on the side).

    But then I guess my life would had turned out very differently then.

    // digression

    BTW, teachers were no help. It was a funny situation. One day a bunch Apple 2 showed up. No one knew what to do with them. I just turned them on, fiddled around.

    Still no teachers knew what to do, but I started to teach myself everything, how to code it, connecting them together. (HW-wise the Apple 2's were very hackable.)

    The teachers started to ask me questions on them, and started to ask me to make use for them.

    I started to code grade book programs, automatic letter to parent generation programs.

    My elemenatry-junior high school started to pay me minimum wage (my first PROFESSIONAL programming job!) to do computer coding work.

    I wrote up curriculum, wrote (supposedly) educational games, taught students and teachers, while having access to a whole bunch of Apples at one time.

    Some teachers started to think I knew about this computer thing from another country, but I only started learning while in America at the school!

    I learned a new language English at the same time I learned Apple BASIC, and then Apple assembly. So yes, I have been speaking assembly for as long as I have spoken English.

    It was empowering to have the confidence to be the smartest computer person (to be so young and be treated to "guru-hood" :) in a school of all computer illiterates of course :) ) in a small pond like this.

    The educational Apple games I wrote for the teachers were hilarious!

    One was "supposed" to teach math. What it does is it asks a simple + - * / arithmetic question. If you answer 1 right, you get to play to short Space Invader like game.

    Basically the gaming sections are much longer than the "educational" content ... they let me anyway, since they couldn't find and buy any educational (or otherwise :) ) Apple software at all ... they were at my mercy ... HA HA HA!

    I wrote an Apple HGR program of a girl friend who talks to me, in both HGR graphics, and also in text.

    I had so many fond memories. It gave me so much positive experience growing up with computers.

    Did the "experiment" fail? Naw. Not in my case.

    Thanks again to the wonderful Apple founders.



    Corrinne Yu
    3D Game Engine Programmer