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Linux 2.3.40 released
Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk writes "Linux kernel 2.3.40 has just been released. You can find a description on what's new in it on kernelnotes.org. It's available on one of the ftp.kernel.org and on most mirrors." Remember, this is a development kernel.
I'm not sure about previous relesaes...but I got 2.3.40 earlier this morning, and it seems to have a slightly major bug. Every 15 or so minutes it decides to hose my networking, and requires a reboot to get it going again...for another 15 minutes. Has anyone else noticed this?
Yet Another Minor Kernel Revision
Either that or there are some serious bug patches here.
I'm still waiting for 2.4, at which time I will build my second computer that's exclusively for Linux.
That and XF86 4.0 so i'll be able to play some games on it with relative ease (hopefully)
2) Some kernel.org sites don't seem to have 2.3.40 or even 2.3.39 (I ran across one the other day that only had kernels up to 2.3.28.) How do we know what the latest kernel REALLY is in these circumstances?
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
I'm glad to see rapid progress in the Linux kernel.
Does anyone know when 2.4 will be out for those of us who aren't on the kernel mailing list?
The soundblaster 128 was revised on Jan 4, 2000 such that either the PCM recording or playback won't work in any of the 3 sound drivers. Also the gain on the PCM output itself is set too high, resulting in clipping at all levels. No control on the mixer has any effect on this.
http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ ubb/Forum22/HTML/000159.html I had initially suggested that entrants ante their /etc/passwd, winner take all, but Sensei had a better idea: the person who guesses the correct date wins a Linuxnewbie t-shirt.
Can you say (or scream) redundant? I mean, yes, linux is nice. I run it too. But is that a reason for posting the devel versions on slashdot. Hell no!
http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ ubb/Forum22/HTML/000166.html
That thread shows what dates are still available. Most of February and March are booked.
Kentucky Fried Chicken is going to sue Linus and everyone associated with linux for using the word Kernel...It is too close to the word Colonel which is their mascot.
When there was a story for every kernel release, it was, indeed, too much. Now /. only reports every once in a while on minor releases. In this case, I think it gives us a good forum to discuss how stable the 2.3 branch is getting and what we might expect to run into if we switch over.
To be more specific, I'm considering playing with 2.3, and reading the responses to this story tells me that there are some networking problems that I would prefer to avoid and there might be some sound problems. Consequently, I'll hold off for a while longer.
I know, all these posts are out of hand.
I have posted many very good articles that were dropped in favour of other things. Some which I posted were "Learning from Y2K" in humour, "Sexual Reproduction of Computer Viruses", about the new e-books, about the Great AIP(Artificial Intelligence Project), "Automounting in Linux", and several others
On my buddies Rev 7 Creative 128 board, installing ALSA seemed to get sound working great.
i would like to see only those comments with a score LESS than 3 is this possible? im tired of all the ass kissing 5-rated posts.. and the -1 are hilarious.
this appears to be the first kernel to support ieee1394/firewire... someone try it out and let us know how it works.
later,
ian
Shouldnt we get a freeze on this soon and move on? :)
;)
.40+ is starting to sound stupid
Just installed 2.2.14 on my pIII and I have no need for anything more, but still......... have to try
I thought there was a consensus that it was far better to let other sites post news about new kernel, especially for development kernels.
Does this kernel have some exceptional new thing integrated beside his number (Oh yes, we have reached the 40th release of 2.3 WHAT A NEWS) to justify to be posted??? Is it the first kernel of a new serie (like 2.2.0 or 2.3.0?)??? Does it fix a big bug??? No, then don't post it.
Those that are interested by cutting edge kernels know where to find them, those that are not able to find it by themselves probably aren't able to cope with the possible problems that may arise from a development kernel.
(this is not meant as a flamebait but
"The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers." Bill Gates,
Try 2.3.35 I did and I think that sound and networking were solid, on my 1 Linx box anyway. Using Intel EtherExpress 100B and Creative SB awe64 cards. I do want to find out more about the new packet filtering dealie that's "replacing" ipchains. Does that mean ipchains will not work right anymore? Must study up on this question before I move 2.3 to active duty.
Johnny Quest has two Daddies.
Yes. ALSA produces the same clipping quite nicely.
They fixed it. the emu10k1 (sblive) driver works with the newer experimental kernels again.
It has been statistically shown that helmets increase the risk of head injury.
2.3.40 is rock solid, I guess I should turn on some alien features then :)
For anybody running laptops, the big deal with the more recent 2.3 kernels is the built-in PCMCIA support. In the 2.2 series if you want to configure your kernel at all you have to get not only the kernel source but the (big) PCMCIA patch and compile it separately, and there's a somewhat intimidating series of questions you have to answer in the config. It's anything but seamless, and you have to mess around with it every time you upgrade the kernel. In 2.3 it's just one more checkbox item in make xconfig. :-) Progress marches on.
Life's a bitch but somebody's gotta do it.
It doesn't look like anything really major; just a driver update here, a driver update there. Progress as usual...
David E. Weekly (dew, Think)
David E. Weekly
Code / Think / Teach / Learn
h4x0r for
It doesn't list the pre patches with authority because frankly nobody can be sure. There have been cases of as many as 3 official patches in a single day but pre patches are much more frequent ( usually 3 to 7 per official patch ).
At that rate it's theoretically possible to have over a dozen pre patches in a day. Worse yet there are people other than Linus putting pre patches out, then there are the AC patches.
--= Isn't it surprising how badly I spell ?
-jwb
emu10k.o
I got the latest CVS and it didn't work. Jan 15th worked (lots of warnings).
whoever said development kernels were perfect?
Real Soon Now (tm). I expect an alpha release within the next week, but this is not 2.3/4 material.
A friend is running a bunch of firewire hard drives on his mac -- he does a lot of video capture and is constantly filling up his drives. He just yanks one out and puts another in, and they're more than fast enough for his purposes. I'd mention the company names if I could remember them.
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
and that they won't do it again, because this can only cause confusion to newbies and loss of time to the kernel developers.
"The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers." Bill Gates,
works fine here. I can send you a binary if you email me. make sure you do a make dep in your kernel tree before you try to build this module.
It has been statistically shown that helmets increase the risk of head injury.
How long did it take before 2.2.1 came out, less than two days? LOL
Linux hype is what attracts investors' billions these days, so it's important for everyone to pretend their business is "all about Linux".
Thats's precisely why I love windows so much! None of that pesky kernel updating. It's nice to know that if a bug is here today, it will be here tomorrow, and next week, and next year. It's good to know that FreeBSD has taken that step in the right direction. Maybe it will be as good as windows someday.
Since whan is lack of active development a feature?
0 1 - just my two bits
FreeBSD is a kernel /and/ a distribution of software. It has two general branches - Stable and Current (I think). Current is where the bleeding-edge changes go; people who know what they're doing and/or need features only in current track it. Otherwise, you use Stable.
Linux is a kernel, only. There are many distributions based around it. It is developed in two branches; a stable and development branch. You can tell which branch a kernel is in by the minor version number (Linux kernels are numbered major.minor.patchlevel - Major is iterated very infrequently, after major changes; minor is iterated not so often, when going from development to stable; and patchlevel is the development on the minor version). If the minor version is odd - 1, 3, 5, etc - it is a development kernel, and if it is even - 2, 4, 6 - it is a stable kernel. Development kernels should not be used on production boxes, unless you're willing to support it yourself and deal with problems that may occur. Things can and will break in development kernels. Stable kernels should be used pretty much everywhere, particularly if you are new to Linux.
Remember: You don't ever need to update a kernel unless it fixes something that's broken, adds support for something you have, or adds a feature you require. Otherwise, stick with what you've got - it's not a prerequisite to update when new versions are released.
Learn to read; that stupid page hasn't been updated in ages. Thats the changelog for .36
I am very intersted in AI and I think that your progect is probly a good thing, BUT if you keep addvertising it like this you will put a lot of people off of joining.
They will promise anything if you are going if you have a large enough install-base. You want the sun, well they will give it to you if you buy 100 site license.
Well, being fair it should pointed out that a open source software usually does not come if any warranty or promise of reliability. My window manager (sawmill) says that it is intended to be useful but has no warranty or implied warranty. I could find other examples but I am lazy.
When is 2.4 due to be released? Is it true that 2.3 is still highly unstable?
2.3 is still extremely buggy for me with ATA66 and Abit BP6.
We still have a ways to go. But maybe things will get locked down fast.......
Now this just doesn't make any sense to me. The development kernel must be as stable as it can possibly be made before it becomes a stable kernel. I take pride in that when a Linux kernel is released as stable, it really is stable. If the kernel were to be released before it were ready just so we could "move on" Linux would end up being just like any number of commercial products: released before it's fully ready.
Chris Hagar
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
Minor development versions are released almost weekly... Is there anything special about 2.3.40, or will /. from now on announce every minor development release? Let's hope so, at least for the sake of consistancy and integrity (which would be a welcome new feature of slashdots ;).
"Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
Not everybody follows every latest release of the kernel, but some people like to follow the general progress. When Slashdot posts a story about a new kernel version once in a while it helps people (like me!) keep up with the general progress of the project without being obsessed by it.
As to complaints of "Go To Freshmeat!" my point is that some people don't want to rabidly follow every release of software, they just want a general feeling for the situation.
After all, does your life end when Slashdot posts a story about something you already know or is not relvent to you personally?
Maybe Slashdot needs a filter for kernel release posts, similar to the ones for filtering various authors.
Hello Dudes,
The hackers at Linux USB Visor has managed to get Visor to sync over USB in Linux 2.3.40. They managed to do this with a few extra patches (Which you can get from that site) and help from a freebsd dude. Freebsd dudes hop over there to find out how they did it as well..
Enjoy syncing the Visor on USB!
Long live the kernel!
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What I would really like to have is the ability to tailor my reading of each score level independently. That way I could say, see the -1 trolls and the ACs, as well as stuff that got moderated to 2 through 4, while skipping all the posts rated at 1 or 5. That way I can read the stuff I find funny, and yet get the better opinions all in one swell foop. I don't know how big of a pain this would be to implement, though.
... then search for "Score:3", or just use page down.
perl -e 'fork||print for split//,"hahahaha"'
where can you get fbset I've been trying to find it.
It has been statistically shown that helmets increase the risk of head injury.
>[...] debian's method where you have no clue what's happening ...
I've never found that to be a problem. Either you set your system to track "stable", in which case you get a major upgrade about once a year, or you set it to track "unstable" or "frozen", in which case everything updates very often but might be broken once in a while.
If they make the proposed changes to de-emphasise the importance of "releases", then it'll be more like FreeBSD's method.
perl -e 'fork||print for split//,"hahahaha"'
(Because it is.)
:)
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
Linux 2.4, XFree 4.0, ext3fs, KDE2.
...
Kind of like brownies right out of the oven- they need to cool off but I want it now! With the release of these four software packages Linux is going to have a great showdown with Windows 2000 on the desktop.
Well I guess I should stop typing and start downloading/compiling
Linux: Long live the source code.
Why:
there is now no method of sending packets from kernel to user space. Transparent proxying isn't exactly "right". Masquerading is bolted on top of packet filtering, which is what makes building a firewall so complicated.
The rest of the story:
The new protocol (iptools (?)) is 'podabe backwards compatible with upchains and ipfwadm.
Can I bum a
The subject says it all. ... 1-2 years back when .. stable ones are OK .. but let's face it.
I seem to recall about
a lot of peeps were complaining about slashdot telling everybody about a devel. linux-kernel.
Sure, ok
Development Kernels aren't for the faint@heart.
Agreed. The dev kernels are works in progress. Commercial software places spend months debugging their stuff. Their final releases still have bugs in them. At least the Linux people let you try out the works in progress...
[root@sambaserver cdr]# /sbin/modprobe ide-cd
DON'T load the ide-cd driver, otherwise the ide driver steals the CD-ROM and doesn't allow ide-scsi to convert it to a scsi device. If you don't load ide-cd support, it should work
http://www.cs.kuleuven.ac.be/~geert/bin/
of course debian has it, like everything else on the globe...
Every once in a while it is good to get some idea of the state of progress.
You also get a bunch of semi-clueless newbies (like me) who need some kind of feel for what's going on.