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Caldera Prices Its IPO

A reader writes, "Caldera has priced its IPO. See here in Wideopen for what little there is to read about it. " Summary: $7-9 expected range of price, while selling 5 million shares. Update: 02/26 01:31 by R : Slightly deeper story at News.com.

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  1. hmmm.... by Issue9mm · · Score: 2

    So that means it'll open to the public at what... $30? I'd really like to purchase some of this, but I don't really see it happening (not by fault of them, but by my own. Same reason I don't own any RedHat or VA).

    Well, Just realized that my first sentence was the only relevant thought I had on the matter, so, I'll just take this time to congratulate them, and wish them a very well IPO.

  2. Nothing Compared To by OpenSpace · · Score: 2

    This is noting compared to linux-pets.com's expected price.

  3. Better link w/more info by Brento · · Score: 4

    For a more in-depth look at the IPO, click here for IPO.com's filing.

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  4. The rise and fall of the Linux IPO by Brento · · Score: 5

    Have you checked the stock prices on Linux stocks lately? Sure, a lot of people who got in quick made a great buck, but anybody who bought after the first month is really getting clobbered.

    RedHat - opened at $7, rocketed to $151, now $68.
    VA Linux - opened at $30, rocketed to $320, now at $113.
    Cobalt - opened at $22, rocketed to $172, now $104.

    This sends a message to Wall Street - get in fast on Linux IPO's, and then dump them on the unwitting public. It also sends a subliminal message about Linux as a whole - that it's not a long-term option, only a short-term one. (I'm not saying I agree, but that's the subliminal message.)

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    1. Re:The rise and fall of the Linux IPO by mangu · · Score: 3
      Actually, RedHat reached a peak of $300. I think the prices you mention are averages. And the actual price for the public at the opening was around $45. But, anyway, buying at $45 and selling less than a year later for $68 is not so bad.

      In the end it boils down to dividends. You can't live on buying low and selling high, in the long run you'll take losses as well as gains. These huge initial gains and later losses are typical of all hi-tech papers, Yahoo and Amazon have similar price histories. But if those companies keep year after year of steady losses and no dividends there's no way their prices will ever go up again.

    2. Re:The rise and fall of the Linux IPO by Animats · · Score: 2
      RedHat - opened at $7, rocketed to $151, now $68.
      VA Linux - opened at $30, rocketed to $320, now at $113.
      Cobalt - opened at $22, rocketed to $172, now $104.

      All three of those Linux stocks peaked around December, and are now tanking. So Wall Street seems to think that the Linux fad is over. That was quick.

      The Caldera IPO is somewhat less ambitious, but it's still one of those "we're selling a few percent of the company but want more for it than we're now worth." deals. There are over 20 million shares of Caldera around, and they're selling about 5 million. Noorda will still own a majority of the stock after the IPO.

    3. Re:The rise and fall of the Linux IPO by elflord · · Score: 2
      In the end it boils down to dividends.

      Take a look at how the S&P and the Dow Jones have been doing recently. Take a look at how the perofrmance of these indices compare to dividend yields of dividend stocks-- how many companies can you name with a dividend yield of more than 5% ? Many dividend stocks do not perform much better than savings accounts if you only consider the dividend yields. Something like an index fund ( or any solid mutual fund ) will not only have a modest dividend yield but also have some growth. What this tells us is that if the average Joe sticks money into a diversidied portfolio ( or mutual fund ), the chances are that they will make money.

      However it's important to invest in companies with a good business model ( not like Redhat ). Companies that don't and wont turn operating profits are simply put, bubbles. On the other hand, promising companies that are experiencing steady earnings growth can make good investments, dividend or no dividend.

      live on buying low and selling high, in the long run you'll take losses as well as gains.

      Yes, but if you gain on average, then that's not a problem. If you're talking about day trading, then I agree. However, there is a case to be made for investing in growth stocks with solid financial performance and a good business strategy.

      These huge initial gains and later losses are typical of all hi-tech papers, Yahoo and Amazon have similar price histories.

      These companies have poor financial records. One needs to consider not just possible stock increase -- it's important also to check that the price increases are driven by earnings increases and not hype. In the case of internet bubble stocks, the companies not only aren't experiencing solid earnings growth, they aren't even able to run at an operating profit.

  5. Split adjusted! by cyberdonny · · Score: 3
    > Actually, RedHat reached a peak of $300. I think the prices you mention are averages.

    Nope. Brento's prices are adjusted for the split that happened in early January. Those $45 were before the split and would be $22.5 split adjusted. Thus, even at today's pricing, that's still the triple!

    > In the end it boils down to dividends...But if those companies keep year after year of steady losses and no dividends there's no way their prices will ever go up again.

    Actually, not quite true either. There is one (in)famous company which never paid any dividends, but nevertheless gained value year after year. Yes, it is indeed that company that we all love to hate...

    1. Re:Split adjusted! by SimonK · · Score: 2

      In general fast growing companies are not expected to pay dividends. The stock market prefers them to invest the money instead, in the expectation of future profits.

      In practice, paying dividends is getting increasingly rare across the board.You could interpret this either as an indication of a very rapidly growing economy or an insane stock market.

  6. Caldera's Revenue is Flat, Not a Good Sign by jonathansamuel · · Score: 3
    According to an article on CNET
    Caldera Systems had revenue of $553,000 for the quarter ended Jan. 31, 2000, a slight increase over the $538,000 garnered in the same quarter a year ago, the company said.
    The market values Linux companies highly because they are supposed to be experiencing massive revenue growth. But Caldera has hardly grown at all in the past year, if this statistic is any indication.
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  7. VC's dump most IPO shares on FIRST DAY by rambone · · Score: 2

    This is why you see things like all of Amazon's stock changing hands four times in its first week. The VC's get in at prices you wouldn't believe and get out before you can even place a trade.

    1. Re:VC's dump most IPO shares on FIRST DAY by Kit+Cosper · · Score: 2
      Actually this is not at all true.

      All early investors and employees are bound by a lockup agreement. The underwriters demand
      this as a condition of their participation in the IPO.

      This keeps the market from being flooded from the outset.

      Generally the VC firms pass their stock back to the investors in the VC funds, who tend to hold
      things long-term. The initial activity on an IPO is simply people flipping the stock back and forth
      trying to maximize their gain.

      Red Hat's lockup period just ended, which is a likely contributor to the recent slide from the mid 90's
      to the 68.5 that it closed at yesterday. VA just released earnings last week that were misinterpreted
      on several fronts. You can see the details on the investor relations page.

      The stock market is a complex beast and doesn't lend itself to simple or absolute explainations.

      --Kit

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  8. That logo... by Tim+Behrendsen · · Score: 3

    Does anyone else see a partial Micky Mouse painted on a globe whenever they see that logo?

    Given Disney's litigiousness, I predict a future lawsuit. :)


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    1. Re:That logo... by Otter · · Score: 2

      Yes!

      It reminds me of the Mickey Mouse o n the side of blue G3's that spurred the constant rumors of an Apple/Disney merger. I assume the arrival of the G4 put an end to that.

  9. Disney World Domination - stock market by ch-chuck · · Score: 2

    is what it looked like to me, yes it does.

    In related matters, it may be a not so good time for IPO's, the market in general appears to have peaked around last Dec., and economists are talking about 'soft landings' again - don't think I've heard that for several years. And I can't beleive Greenspan said he sees "no sign of inflation" with a straight face - he obviously doesn't pump his own gas into the limo! When they worry about price rises and jack up interest rates bonds perform better than stocks.

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  10. Somewhat related news by spaceorb · · Score: 2

    Due to Caldera's distant relationship with Novell, I thought it would be worthwhile to point out that they are rele asing NDS and GroupWise for Linux. I think something like this could hype up the value of Caldera and RedHat stocks, and might offer these companies some way to actually make money.

  11. This is why caldera scares me by dieman · · Score: 2

    Its a Disney logo in disguise! check here AHHHHH!

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  12. IPO = Goodbye Business, Hello Casino by Asterisk · · Score: 2

    This is likely the end of Caldera as a viable Linux vendor. The moment any company issues an IPO, they cease to be an economically signifigant business. The main impetus of their activity becomes financial activity - playing the stock market - and ceases to be competitively providing goods and services to the market. And the people who founded the company, with the original intent of earning profit by selling a quality Linux distribution, will no longer be the actual owners of the company. Their policy will now be determined by a corporate bureaucracy at the behest of stockholders, whose main purpose in investing is to gain a short term profit without regard for the actual business operations of the company. The stock market is anti-Capitalistic, anti-Individualistic, and detrimental to the economy. Caldera has, in issuing its IPO, handed the company over to the practical equivalent of Las Vegas gamblers.

  13. Off topic but funny by ch-chuck · · Score: 3

    Always liked this 'rags-to-riches' story:

    A golf caddy asked a patron how he'd earned his fortune. The Billionaire replied, "Son, it was the depths of the depression in the 30's. I was down to my last nickle. One morning I bought an apple with that nickle and polished it all day. At the end of the day I sold it for 6 cents. The next day I did the same, an after a week could afford 2 apples. This went on for several months, at the end of which I'd earned a grand sum of $4.38. Then my wife's father died and left us 3 million dollars".

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  14. Caldera will be the first major distro to fall by rambone · · Score: 2
    Of all of the production linux shops I go to, one thing they all have in common is the distro they aren't running - Caldera.

    This isn't to say that it isn't of high quality, but simply that Caldera has been outmarketed and outpromoted by Red Hat.

    I just don't see how Caldera can make a go of it unless they drop their witless marketing department and really start working on getting Caldera into more places that matter.

  15. Unfortunately, Caldera must IPO or be left behind by rambone · · Score: 2
    Caldera is already slipping off of the radar as RedHat bulks up and outmarkets them.

    Caldera's only hope at avoiding complete irrelevancy is to bulk up with some quick cash and either start marketing their product for real, or make aquisitions that give it a reason to exist.

  16. Method to Participate in Directed Share Program by foo_48120 · · Score: 4
    I downloaded the Caldera IPO filing on Edgar to try to see how to participate in the Directed Share Program. I found that you need to open an account with Wit Capital (Their site is jsp :) )

    The specific text from the filing is on page 69 and 70 of the document, on my printed copy it was pages 74 and 75 of 393...

    They say half of the 10% Directed Share Program goes to company employees and insiders and the other half to the Linux community via a program at Wit Capital. Apart from needing to fund a $2,000 account at Wit Capital, there is no more information about the program. I have an email in to ask of this at Wit.

    Anyone have more details?

    Here goes:

    Directed Share Program. At our request, the underwriters have reserved for sale, at the initial public offering price, up to ten percent of the shares of common stock offered in this offering under a directed share program. We currently expect that approximately half of these shares will be offered to directors, officers, employees, business associates, and related persons of Caldera Systems pursuant to a directed share program being administered by FleetBoston Robertson Stephens Inc., and that approximately half of these shares, pursuant to a directed share program being administered by Wit Capital Corporation, will be offered to open source software developers and other persons that we believe have contributed to the success of the open source software community and to the growth of Caldera Systems. We cannot assure you that any of the reserved shares will be so purchased. The number of shares of common stock available for sale to the general public in this offering will be reduced by the number of reserved shares sold. Any reserved shares not purchased will be offered to the general public on the same basis as the other shares offered in this offering.

    Purchases of the reserved shares pursuant to the directed share program administered by Wit Capital are to be made through an account at Wit Capital in accordance with Wit Capital's procedures for opening an account and transacting in securities. In addition, Wit Capital is an underwriter of additional shares in the offering. A prospectus in electronic format is being made available on an Internet web site maintained by Wit Capital. In addition, all dealers purchasing common shares from Wit Capital in this offering have agreed to make a prospectus in electronic format available on a web site maintained by each of them. Other than the prospectus in electronic format, the information on the web site and any information contained on any other web site maintained by Wit Capital or any dealer purchasing common shares from it is not part of this prospectus or the registration statement of which this prospectus forms a part, has not been approved or endorsed by us or any underwriter in its capacity as underwriter and should not be relied on by prospective investors. The National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc. approved the membership of Wit Capital on September 4, 1997. Since that time, Wit Capital has acted as a co-lead managing underwriter on one offering, a co-managing underwriter on 61 offerings and a dealer on 107 offerings.

  17. Re:Why tech stocks don't pay dividends by elflord · · Score: 2
    Tech stocks typically have P/E ratios of over 60 unless the company in questionis in big trouble. This means that it is impossible for the companies to pay decent dividends -- more than a 1.7% dividend would use up all the companies annual profit. On the other hand, big established companies that aren't experiencing rapid earnings growth and consequently carrying more realistic P/E levels are more prone to paying dividends.