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German Governmental Agency Says: Use Open Source
belbo writes "An official team of the German Ministry of the Interior has released a statement which examines the possible use of Open Source software in the German administration.
The statement concludes: "Linux and FreeBSD and accompanying Free or commercial software provide a stable, cheap, low-on-resources, safe and sufficiently supported environment even for professional offices."
Does this mean I can write my next tax declaration in Vi? ;-) "
There is a free (as in beer) Windoze software for preparing a German tax declaration and sending it to the tax authorities via the internet.
Oh, you want. It is the only known way to ensure that it is a save encryption algorithm. You are arguing for security by obscurity, an idea regarded as "sub-obtimal" by the encryption comunity. The encryption algorithm itself has to be secure. If this is the case, publishing doesn't harm the security. If the algorithm is not save, publishing and the following peer-review will point out its weakness - and you do want to know how secure your algorithm is, don't you?
David
25-8*3 = 1 year's experience. Stop using Win$$$ while you're still ahead!
Almost. The DE Gov. (like all govs.) is a bureaucracy, the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing, that's all. Though the article is very conviencing, someone did their homework quite well (kuess die Hand!) and IMHO they did an execlent job.
Actually English (250,000+) has over twice as many words as German. German's grammar just makes the language a bit clumbsy at times and is normaly the cause of its verbosity.
nobody is gonna email you with such a stupid anti-spam feature... like i'm gonna waste time removing letters or rot13'ing them... why don't you just use some free mail account you don't care about. when it's full of crap use another address.
Remember, open source will go above, because it is open.
Since $lashdot/andover hasn't seen it worth mentioning any of these it seems important to mention them here.
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I wonder if an evil cult could be a weapon in the FUD against proprietary software...
"'is ultimately more reliable"
-- chuckle --
shall I pull your other finger now?
Wrong. Running freeware on a large site (and the German government is a large site) is often far cheaper because of commercial per-seat licensing adding up to very big dollars. It's not possible to ammortize the cost of commercial software per seat. It is much more possible with Open Source.
Per-copy pricing of intellectual property is somewhat weird if you think about it. People tend to forget that Open Source works partly because somebody, somewhere in the world could have both the means and the motivation to create a piece of software which might be copied a million times (eg. Apache has saved the community millions of dollars). Not so commercial software - every single copy costs. It's a very inefficient mode of distribution.
Please get your facts right. It was not the government, but just a record industry / artist representation organisation comming up with a wish list. No one except some xenophopic /. readers took that serious.
Which government please? In case you haven't got it, there is more than one around in the world.
As far as I know there _is_ no translation of "Open Source Software" to German. Well, they don't translate it, but it's perfectly translatable: Offener Quelltext Software. And if you want to get picky about the word software, at least the "ware" part of the word has it's roots firmly planted in German. ;-)
Buy Microsoft instead and support gun toting American mummies and daddies.
Madonna
because the server now responds with a 404. Zoltan
Germany is investigating Scientology because of their involvement with the clown. The clown wants to prevent sleep in Germany. The clown was responsible for much of the sleep deprivation research conducted in Germany over sixty years ago, and he wants to see it continued now that Germany is reunified.
What is an IRS form? It's a mechanism to allow the IRS people to enter your data into a database and to crunch it there.
:)
What we need is a set of common formats which can be reliably understood by open software. So, if the IRS allows digital submissions, they can specify their requirements in some database template which we would then fill out using a generic database editor.
By understanding several formats, we could have a multiplicity of solutions but would escape the imprisonment of proprietary solutions which are seeking to keep us fragmented. Plus, organizations all over the web could count on the ability to hand data from one system to another. And building this generic database editor into HTML (or whatever they're working on these days) would eliminate the insanity of passing 1200 arguments in an HTTP request.
So, if multicolumn text were one of the standard formats, you could indeed use vim.
The format for electronic tax submission in Germany (on sloppy as well as via the internet) is called ELSTER (www.elster.de). The ELSTER library is free (as in beer).
There is some irony in the name ELSTER (Elektronische Steuererklaerung, electronic tax declaration), since it is also the German word for magpie, a bird which is supposed to steal valuables (like the tax authorities :-)).
So what is a "self-service impulse system" anyway?
-Lars
As far as I know there _is_ no translation of "Open Source Software" to German. There sure isn't a German word for software, neither for source, and so the choice is between "Offene Source Software" or "Open Source Software", and the choice is easy.
:)
In Dutch it would be even easier, because Open is also Open. Hmmm, hold on, Source in Dutch could be translated as Broncode (souce code, literally), so maybe in German it could be something like Brunncode... Nah, doesn't sound like anything.
OSS it is, and OSS it will ever remain.
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From Operation Clambake:
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...where they become brainwashed slaves. There they work a hundred hour week for almost no pay. There they are subject to every cruel whim of their masters. It is a living hell that they endure because of the conditioning they have received and this now perverted sense of ethics that they have accepted. The "Sea Org" is the ultimate in brainwashed slavery. They are expected to work harder and harder to achieve ever higher targets of production. If they fail to meet their targets there are various penalties. One of them is to be put onto a diet of beans and rice and to miss sleep. Another is to be sentenced to a period on the RPF (Rehabilitation Project Force). This is the equivalent to "hard labour". Such is the extent of their brainwashing that they actually write "success stories" when they complete their sentences.
}
Yes, I know, I've read about Scientology. It's evil. It's twisted. But it does come close to describing many of my best friends, and I hope to join a very similar organisation in the near future. They call it "grad school". Be afraid.
"The biggest problem with communication is the illusion that it has taken place."
The German Goverment "Gets It" the use of open source helps in keeping certain cost down. Allows you to add extentions to the software you use. Also allows you to audit the software you are using at the source so there are no question about certain things.
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Well, I might begin to sound like one of RMS's zealots at this point...Although I feel that this is a good thing, they miss the whole point of what free software is about: the precise weakness of 'open source' as a term. Free software is about freedom, not about price. The real reason why free software is stable, low on resources, and so well-supported is because of this freedom. And we shouldn't forget this.
Qu'on me donne six lignes écrites de la main du plus honnête homme, j'y trouverai de quoi le faire pendre.
I've been looking for a list of governments, universities or school districts that have a policy of using open source or open standards, or at least evaluating them impartially.
Many places use windows because that's what everyone uses and that's all they know.
If nobody is doing this I am willing to maintain such a list.
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As long as you can convince the congressmen from the state of Washington or Virginia or any of these places that it's worthwhile not to give lots of money to lots of American companies, you have my support.
A politician not paying money for software can hand out tax breaks, or spend the money on something more visible.
Either way there is no loss for American companies, all you get is a different distribution of money. Using open source do not transfer any money to foreign entities, buying from a company may very well do as they cut costs by having foreign subcontractors.
and you've got a version of vi new enough to support umlauts
This is usually not a problem. Umlauts etc. are handled by loading the appropriate keymap and fonts. 8-bit clean apps need no more than that, and old popular software is normally 8-bit clean.
Danke. Wie du siehst ist Babelfisch nicht nötig; ich habe sowieso den Artikel gelesen, aber ich wollte schon den Artikel jemandem zeigen :-(
Anyone else? I've looked in my Netscape cache but no go.
Chris
San Francisco values: compassion, tolerance, respect, intelligence
That's all very nice, but will they *mandate* the use of OSS packages?
"Linux is a stable reliable platform..." "You must use NT. That is our standard"
As long as you can convince the congressmen from the state of Washington or Virginia or any of these places that it's worthwhile not to give lots of money to lots of American companies, you have my support.
Enough said.
Well,in Germany there *is* a format for submitting tax forms electronically, it is binary, encrypted (no idea of how strong that encrypt is)and can only be used from the usual financial packages like Quicken et al. together with transaction numbers obtained from the revenue service. Maybe somebody might come up with an approved OSS prog for taxes?
The format, btw is called 'ELSTER' (ELektronische STeuerERklaerung, which in English means magpie...
Hey - good news. I really had trouble to convince those people in the public sector they have to use open software to meet their need ( less money every year, fewer people to run their systems...).
I hope the administration will make the things clear up to the last member of the chain - too few people read slashdot and I know people have not heard the news!
Flori
"Yup, it all boils down to apps again"
No - it all boils down to what kind of apps.
If the typical application is MS-Word or something
similar that is expected to be installed on millions of platforms, then the marketing costs
exceed by far the costs of development. Conversely
if the application has a limited installation
potential - something to be used by at most a
few hundred civil servants, then the development
costs a paramont. In this case, the quality and
developer friendliness of any UNIX/Linux/(X)emacs platform far exceeds that of any MS-Visual-Studio
type of development environment (I speek from 25
years UNIX and 8 years Windows/*/NT experience.)
Madonna
Madonna
"...the freedom and openness that actually make Linux/BSD good."
Only half true - I wouldn't give two hoots for Linux/BSD if it were just free (as in speech). Its the quality which counts. One of Ritchie's and Thomson's major objectivies were to create an OS under which they themselves would like to work. Hardly, I thing, a Microsoft ojective.
Madonna
This is interesting in light of the German government's recent decision to consider blocking mp3 servers from the router. Now, all of a sudden, freedom means something to them?
Of course not. Methinks they chose Linux/BSD because of the stability and price (beer not speech). All of this without realizing that it is the freedom and openness that actually make Linux/BSD good.
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Friends don't let friends misuse the subjunctive.
Of course they should use open source instead of commercial software since it's saving tax payer money and is ultimately more reliable (which means more efficient employees).
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Of OSS in general (like the grant they gave to the GnuPG project a while back). I wonder if we'll start seeing that in the US as well (ie, instead of hiring someone to code a program, donate money to help provide a OSS version). That would be cool - tax breaks for US kernel hackers. :)
This sounds like Communistic propaganda!
"Hey, guys! Over here! I've found one!!"
"W-What?"
"Time to die evil Communist!" A gun is pointed at the evil communist's forehead.
"B-but clearly sharing is better and mo-more efficient."
"Bah, that's what they all say. Everybody in their right mind knows the free-market is stronger!"
"Okey, I admit it. I'm an evil Communist trying to convert you superior Americans. I want to live in your luxurious spendor, but the KGB cover-salary doesn't cover such expenses."
*BANG*
"Another strike for the US! Huzzah! Huzzah!! Huzzaaah!!!"
- Steeltoe
What do you do to limit yourself today?
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A possible translation of Open Source Software is: :-)
Open => Offen(e)
Source => Quelltext
Software => Software
but I think nobody would use this.
-coyo
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Look, our puny human meat minds are not likely to suddenly underand Truth or Creation anytime soon. Believe what you think you should. Believe what is most fun to believe, and be cool and stuff. If you're wrong...oh darn. You made a wrong choice of manymany choices (and maybe none of the choices you see is the right one). It's pretty likely you'll pick wrong.
-coyo
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I think it's sort of amusing how they use the term "Open Source Software" in English instead of it's translation into German.
Isn't Open Source Code about internationalism? At least Linux has a Finish creator and not somebody from Seattle (who left a backdoor in his OS for the biggest Spy-Agency of the world). Do you seriously think that Open Source Code will be used for hegemonial purposes? Give me a break. Get over your animosities, this is the 21st century.
...wysiwyg!
Aber Sepp, das ist ja wunderbar!
--- WWSD? What Would Strider Do?
It's great to see more countries going OSS in their administration. First the French, then the Germans and tomorrow the WORLD.
Actually, that's not so offtopic as you might think:
While I think it's somewhat paranoid to believe that Diskkeeper could be more dangerous because it originated from a Scientology member (M$ certainly does have the full sources and compiled them themselves, further, a defragmenting solution does have less access to your data than a video driver), this anti-hype could actually lead to the conclusion that every proprietary software is potentially dangerous: If you can't look at the sources, you can never know what the software really does - whether it is from Scientology, Microsoft or the NSA does not matter then. Don't trust an operating system you don't have sources for.
That the German government is discovering this at the same time they discover that Open Source software is less expensive and better is maybe coincidence, maybe not.
Claus
(Actually, the only German term is Opensourcesoftware or Open-Source-Software, ie adapted spelling, but there's no German word for it.)
Claus
I think that real life could use some more of the open source mind ... It comes very close to real democracy, in contrary to what most governments try to make of it ...
Knowledge first. Social contact later.
Stable, low-on-resources, safe. These are key words, folks. These comments reinforce the point that many in the open source community make that, rather than chase Microsoft, we must "stay the course" - continuing to produce tools that are of the highest quality in all respects.
Kudos go to the multitude of open source contributors (and let's not forget the folks who document the stuff, as well!) whose efforts have resulted in such high praise from the German Ministry of the Interior!
I'll certainly miss the open and liberal minds of our politicians. The old government was crying for more control of the Internet while the new one gives money to Open Source cryptology projects and even recommends the use of encrypted communication channels.
Why the hell do I have to leave for the puritan US government. ;-(
I didn't meantion that because it's debateable whether or not proprietary formats are "bad". You wouldnt want your encryption algorithms open sourced. A single "proprietary" document format would be much better than a free spec, that way everyone could build a reader/parser/manipulator that would behave in the same fashion as someone else's with a standard document spec.
I'm a loner Dottie, a Rebel.
Government agencies really ought to take note of GNU software. One of the biggest reasons is price, an office of FreeBSD or Linux boxes is going to be ten times cheaper than the same office with M$ products. Besides initial cost, the same hardware will be competitive for many years (many of the government computers in my city are old Sun machines from back when it was SunOS). Besides price there's the benefit of having third parties do the development and programming. A 50,000$ grant to an Open Source project goes alot farther than 50,000$ in software licenses. I think it's a great idea for government agencies to push Open Source, workstations and servers is what Linux and the BSDs do best.
I'm a loner Dottie, a Rebel.
Did anybody mirror/cache the page in question. It's dissapeared! If you follow the link now you get 'Not Found'
Chris
San Francisco values: compassion, tolerance, respect, intelligence
> As long as you can convince the congressmen from the state of Washington or Virginia or any of these places that it's worthwhile not to give lots of money to lots of American companies, you have my support.
Remember: all America was in favor of the SuperCollider until the decision came down about where it would go, at which point everyone but the winning state turned against it.
Personally, I think that's a bad way to manage science, but at least it tells us a lot about state-oriented politicians and money. Perhaps we could mobilize the same sentiment here? What's good for Washington and Virginia is bad for the rest of the country, at least if you look at it in terms of sources and sinks for a megawad of cash.
If the politicos are willing to fuck science over that kind of parochialism, surely they should be willing to ditch MS&AOL over even larger sums of money?
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Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Religion began when the first rogue met the first fool.
So it was, so it is, so it ever shall be.
A bit back, I submitted an article that the Norwegian was also seriously considering moving to Linux. If I remember correctly, their decision was not only based on the fact that Linux is free, but that, in switching to Linux, they would be reducing or eliminating their dependence on Microsoft, a U.S. company.
Chris Hagar
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
As far as I could pick out from what has been going on at /. and from Bruce Schenier's (I hope I spelled it correctly) book on the DDJ CD, the real security is in the keys. The algorithm should be public, and subject to public (at least peer) review. Closed source algorithms are merely security through obscurity, not good enough when it counts most.
And with respect to the spec, if your implementation is consistent with the specifications, then any program should be able to read the document properly. If the implementation is inconsistent, then its a situation like having a new proprietary format, bad for all of us.
I can throw myself at the ground, and miss.
The other obvious format is bitmap, e.g. G3 Fax or GIF (if they've fixed the patent silliness), or PBM/PNM/etc.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
I would have posted the entire article but my boss would kill me if I /.'d our server ;-)
Open SOURCE software in the federal administration
Summary
In the area of the public administration to a large extent workstation PC in the office area as Clients, more efficient systems are used also than servers. Many authorities are at present before the function of the separation of old systems. In the industry open SOURCE software (OSS) wins increasingly in meaning for the moment. OSS is used into authorities in the server area already the longer one and proved there than extremely reliable solution (aspect of the availability).
During the processing of classified materials the aspect of the privacy is the center of attention. Here OS self-service impulse systems offer prerequisites by their special possibilities of configuring, on which in the Federal Office for security in the information technology (BSI) projects were already begun, which have the development secured PC and its safe on and integration into networks as a goal.
In the office surrounding field with its special requirements at user friendliness open SOURCE software was however so far only meagerly used. With the development of graphic surfaces, which are not constituent of the actual OS self-service impulse systems such as Linux or FreeBSD, the open SOURCE page drew even however with commercial products. At application software, which puts to a graphic surface on such, there are in the meantime several Office packages as OSS. Among other things the package StarOffice of the company SUN for the commercial application is available and free of charge available for the OS self-service realm.
Besides providers of commercial Office software portiert such as Corel, Oracle, Informix or SAP their products on OS self-service impulse systems, so that in the meantime extensive options exist.
Already today the possibility exists of covering the office request completely by means of open SOURCE often commodity. A successful migration strategy must be directed with consideration of the available configuration toward a coexistence of the software of different manufacturers.
Situation within the authority area
The situation within the office area of the federal administration is coined/shaped by the application of officecommunication packages of a manufacturer. Besides is the information technology before substantial challenges and high requirements from the political area, whereby on a noticeable increase of the budgetary provisions cannot be counted at the same time. Under this edgeconditions shrink from many IT responsible person transferred into another IT world. Indicated as reason frequently to high costs of conversion, in particular too hightraining courses spends. The present situation is intensified still by the fact that for the application of the current in each case software packages usually new hardware is necessary, since the available hardware the performance requirements of the new software does not become fair.
The disadvantages which are due from this dependency are various. The products are often expensive and of frequent release change characterized. Documents will usually stored in proprietaerem format, can by older program versions not satisfying documents of newer versions be processed. The use of proprietaerer interfaces makes more difficult or prevents the application of competitive software. User can not surely to be that the product range, on which it created itself is continued also in the future.
In the past there were numerous occurrences, which questioned the reliability of commercial operating systems and hardware particularly also regarding the privacy. A deficiency of such operating systems and also commercial Office packages is that the program code cannot be seen. During the 57. The federation andthe countries formulated the commisioners for data protection assigned conference the data security therefore a resolution about " transparency hard and Software"[3 ]. They recommend to use the users of modern technique " only such products, whatever ensure a transparency of the operational sequences ".
Also interesting:
Is open SOURCE software safe?
The disclosure of software alone means still no security. Because usually users, in addition, programmers, at all will not be able to determine whether a certain program is safe. Only a small set of specialists will be after detailed study in addition able. All different are thus dependent on information second-hand.
Despite at present still open questions their disclosure is however the in any case fundamental prerequisite for the evaluation of the security of software.
With open SOURCE software is fulfilled this. In addition it comes that the creators are always in particular well-known and attainable. For problems in the technical literature and in the Internet solutions offered [ 1.2 ].
It's not the first time they're saying OSS is good (which of course is a good thing), but they don't ever act on it.
Every time I get a new passport or something I look at their screens, and they're still running on SuckOS (NT 3.51 last time I was there).
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Of course they should use open source instead of commercial software since it's saving tax payer money and is ultimately more reliable (which means more efficient employees).
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you just forgot to put the smileys at the right places, but this undoubtedly there are some of us here that actually think this statement has any truth in it.
The fact that one uses open or closed source software doesn't mean anything in itself when it comes to costs. True, with open source there is generally no fee that needs to be payed, but to see this as a major cost saver is incorrect. The costs in any IT-related project within organisations is generally not associated with software nor hardware, but with the amount of man hours needed to complete the project. Espescially when specialist knowledge needs to be hired from third parties the costs are rising like the amount of Guinness in an Irishman on Saint Patricks day. After the roll-out of a project the cost is in the ease of use for the user and in the cost of keeping everything up and running.
At the moment the cost of running open source based software on server(-like) configurations is probably tied with that of various closed source alternatives. It all depends on what you want, who you have working for you and what kind of other systems you use. The cost of open source on user-systems is probably still higher then that of various closed source alternatives. Most notably MS-Windows based products, but for some uses the Mac comes to mind. Even if one accounts for BSOD's and related stress issues, loss of working hours etc. A properly configured system is still a cheaper option then Open Source because the money for an organisation is in the applications and in the added value that a worker gets from those apps.
Yup, it all boils down to apps again. Though i must say that in certain areas this gap could be bridged quite easily. Espescially there where users are doing data entry, where all data goes to a large database(eg: call-centers), most screens are designed espescially for that database. With that in mind, new systems in this area could be as easily build to work with an open as a closed source environment.
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If they did, then they'd know how "insecure" Open Source is. :)
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Is anyone out there actively lobbying the government to officially endorse OSS solutions rather than proprietary software? It seems to me as a taxpayer that I would like to see the vast number of government projects out there actively evaluate Linux as well as Solaris and NT as platforms.
Alot of us are trying, believe me.   Most of us have OSS snuck in the background but contributing none the less...   The more "public" uses are seen at NASA with their Beowulf cluster and at NIST.
There's a FOSE conference coming up next month and one of the seminar tracks includes a session on Linux.   However I wish that more on OSS was scheduled to be discussed at this.   The timing of FOSE is really good considering all that's going on right now, but seems no one in the D.C./MD/VA area appeared to push it for this year's conference...
-- Win2k: "It's not so much that it's only 65,000 bugs, it's just that they stopped at 65,535 to prevent an overflow."
Maybe the reason is that the german govt. is afraid that microsoft will put in backdoors for the CIA and NSA to exploit Cant do that with open source
**Life is too short to be serious**
French gov have also a law proposal for *exclusive* use of free software (logiciel libre, in french). If it is accepted, no french administration could use commercial or closed source software after 2002. It seems the OSS is beginning to take over the world...
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AFAIK Scientology is classified as a cult / sect here, and not as a religion. In fact, I think they are registered as a company. Furthermore, scientology is under observation by the internal intelligence agency (Verfassungsschutz) for allegations of plotting to overthrow the democratic system and for trying to infiltrate the government.
Executive Software is not only run by a Scientologist; it is a member of WISE, the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises. WISE member corporations are operated for the benefit of the Church of Scientology, even though the CoS is supposedly a "nonprofit religious organization" and the WISE orgs are for-profit corporations.
Babelfish said that it means that the German Federal offices can use Open Source products. Not you, just the office workers. Which jibes with my rusty German understanding of the document.
So, if you work for the German Federal government, you can go ahead and use Open Source software now.
Will in Seattle
usually, when the government spends money on a project, only one group in the population benefits. Although this is often a large group, there are almost always some people who are left out.
But with OSS, when the government works on a special program designed for one group, the whole community benefits, because the whole community gets free source. And more, since in the course of the project it's highly likely that the government-employed programmers will contribute patches, code, ideas, etc. to other projects.
So, not only is OSS good for government, it also constitutes good government.
Want to work at Transmeta? Hedgefund.net? AT&T?
Can your IM do this?
When I was a govt contractor, we were using the GNU tools and perl on several Department of Defense projects because the were the most portable around. Of course these were Unix based projects.
Is anyone out there actively lobbying the government to officially endorse OSS solutions rather than proprietary software? It seems to me as a taxpayer that I would like to see the vast number of government projects out there actively evaluate Linux as well as Solaris and NT as platforms.
Not only would they be getting a high quality, low cost platform, the code that the government contractors develop could be fed back into the community. The govt develops a considerable amount of software and while much of it is specific to its needs, there are other areas such as infrastructure where having an OSS solution makes sense.
If they used OSS software as the basis of building their systems, it would prevent a lot of the reinventing of the wheel and proprietary lock-in that occurs now.
In a somewhat off-topic note, Wired News ran a story yesterday about MS's problems introducing Win2K in Germany. It seems that Win2K comes bundled with an defragmentation utility called DisKeeper; now, this utility was written by a company called Executive Software and the German government has a problem with this because Executive's CEO is a member of the Church of Scientology. Under German Law, state and federal governments can't do business with a member of the Church of Scientology (maybe someone knows exactly why, I don't). So there were rumors over the weekend that MS was disclosing (parts of) the Win2K code for the German Govt to examine. Just thought this might be interesting.
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