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Konqueror.org Launched - KDE2 Web Browser
Rob Kaper writes: "The KDE team has launched www.konqueror.org, a site devoted to their browser component for KDE2. "Konqi" can do HTML4, CSS2, SSL, Java, Javascript, SMB shares and soon even Netscape plug-ins such as Flash. I've seen it in action and looks like a very worthy competitor to Mozilla."
Konqueror itself will be released with KDE2- the web site is there to be a place for users to find out information about it and decide whether or not they want to use it. If GNOME's killer app will be Evolution, KDE's killer app is definitely Konqueror. It is the testbed and backbone for nearly every one of the new KDE2 technologies- KIO, KParts, KHTML, and several more.
It's an interesting world to be in, and the site is only going to get better. As the webmaster, I can say that it *will* definitely get better.
-Chris
Konqi???
You've got to be kidding me. Will the person responsible for this step forward so that they might be beaten with a pointy stick? It sounds like a bloody teletubby for gods sake!
Does anyone actually think to themselves, "ooh i wonder if there's anything new on slashdot, I'll just fire up Konqi".
This is right up there with Geeko, the Suse chameleon/gecko/greenturdwithatail.
Really... If you're going to name your software, for the love of god, please try to make it something inspiring instead of this cutesy crap
Konqueror has not been released - konqueror.org has been.
Besides, you can run it from any desktop environment you want - as long as you have the KDE libraries installed, you don't need to be running KDE's window mangager or any other KDE tools to use Konqueror.
RPMs of a recent CVS snapshot for Red Hat Linux can be found at
http://people.redhat.com/bero/experimen tal/. Konqueror is part of the kdebase package.
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Web browser?
file manager?
Document viewer?
Customizable?
Uh... so they want to be Emacs? (somebody had to say it =) )
"You want to kiss the sky? Better learn how to kneel." - U2
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Barbeque is a noun. Not a verb.
Hmmm. XML based configuration of menus and other stuff; support for ECMA script; support for an object embedding and linking model... Stir in Reiser FS (to handle data storage at the file system level instead of the file level)...
I can see this assemblage of stuff morphing into a VB like application platform.
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Care to share where some of the worst bombs are? :-) Seriously, I've noticed that the latest version of Explorer on the Mac and Mozilla on, well, anything, do an almost perfect job at CSS1, at least according to the w3.org test suite
That's the sound of the market not insisting on standards compliance. But note that things are really beginning to catch up now. Within a year, I susptect sites that don't effectively use CSS (including slashdot) are going to look increasingly dorky.
Really, really hard I think. Seriously, once you start getting to support CSS at the level of units in ems, exes picas, mm and pixels when your output is some random CRT, I think it would make the strong weep.
CSS3 is, alas, way out there; there's not even a unified proposal yet
I suspect that the first universal thing we'll see out of CSS3 is the paged media stuff, which is already sort of available in Explorer.
Doing style right is hard, and I think everybody can see now that it's worth doing right. At least, I hope that's the case...
Babar
It's not complete and bugfree, and it has several flaws, but trying it out just to see the huge improvements from KDE1 is fun! :-)
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how much of it is working so I can download it now and use it instead of netscape?
Almost all of the functionality is there right now, it just needs to be fixed up.
You can get a current copy out of the KDE CVS tree, or get an RPM at
http://people.redhat.com/bero/experimen tal/.
Konqueror is part of the kdebase package. It needs kdesupport and kdelibs to run.
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There is entirely too much abuse of useless java apps, useless javascript requirements, useless flash, and a bunch of other crap that looks pretty but makes your website less usable.
[what follows is slightly OT]
I agree with you on the whole 'too much useless crap' notion, but you seem to think that usability is the most important part of website design, as does most of the slashdot community. A lot of you/us seem bent on the idea of 'make everything text, get rid of images, get rid of animations'
I believe that it's good to consider the users who are unable to view all that fun stuff, but without it, what exactly _is_ the web? I'll tell you: gopher.
Every month, I shell out the $7 for the printed version of Wired magazine. Why? Most of the stuff in there is available online now, from wired, or otherwise. Simple. I like all the cool stuff they do with their mag. Fluorescent spot colors, metallic inks, scratch and sniff covers, all of that makes it worth the $7 to me.
Same with web sites. If a site is bland, but has good information, you'll get somewhat poor user opinions. Same as a flashy, animated, graphic, loud site with no good information. The key is getting a mix of both that degrades gracefully to browsers that don't support 'features' of your site.
Sorry. My rant-of-the-week.
Has anyone tested how extensive the CSS/CSS2 support in Konqueror is? All of the other main browsers (yes, even Mozilla) support CSS in a very patchy 'mine field' sort of way.
I'm getting really tired of writing CSS that works in only one version of one platform. What's up with that?
How hard could it possibly be to support CSS in an even way, across *all* platforms??
CSS Level 1
CSS Level 2
Two last notes:
IE5 *on the MACINTOSH* has the most extensive CSS1 coverage BEFORE IT WAS EVEN A COMPLETE RECOMMENDATION. Almost perfect (still problems with embedded fonts and some other stuff).
What about CSS3? Anyone heard what the browsers are doing about this? IE3 supported some minimal CSS1 back in the day, why aren't browsers not only keeping up, but staying ahead of the curve?
Rami James
Pixel Pusher
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I do find this trend of converging every possible function into a single app to be most disconcerting. It happened with Win98 and KFM, it's happenning to Konqueror, and even Mozilla is getting in on the act (in a few different ways, but it's just as guilty as the others). Gnome's Nautilus seems to be slightly different (each aspect being a Bonobo component, and thus a separate module) but the end result seems to be the same, so I'll roll it in here too.
A Web browser is a Web browser. A file manager is a file manager. A media player is a media player. Trying to combine these into one massive app is just a bad idea, no matter the platform or widget set or whatever. Rolling FTP into the original KFM was different; that's still managing files (on a remote machine, perhaps, but same basic idea). Not at all like Web browsing, where the goal is to view files rather than manage them.
So why bring them together into one massive app that's nightmarish to debug when you can simply make several smaller apps, each of which does its job more efficiently and is still much easier to program and maintain? You also don't have the overhead of interface components which might make sense in, say, a Web browser but not a file manager (do file managers really need a throbber? And what use is the "delete" function on a Web browser where 99.99% of the time you wouldn't even have permission to delete files anyway?)
Nothing against KDE; I prefer Gnome myself but use both on a regular basis since the Solaris boxen here only have KDE. But I'm not so sure that making Konqueror into The App That Does Everything (tm) is such a good idea.