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EU Ministers Approve ".eu" Top-Level Domain
Kooki Monster writes: "The Council of Ministers unanimously approved on Wednesday the European Commission's proposition to create a ".eu" domain name. European institutions as well as private users and corporations should benefit from the new domain, as it is expected to improve the Internet's image and commercial infrastructure in Europe. Its organisation will be managed either by a non-profit institution, a private company, or an existing public administration." Note the reference to "rules recommended by the World Organisation for Intellectual Property" -- probably no hope of squatting in dot-eu.
One of the better non-statements I've seen here on Slashdot.
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gee-whiz! i am sure they needed a big comittee for this and will work on rules and regulations for the next ten years.
.-expletive- domains? -slang_for_coital_activity- that -metabolic_result-!
what is the -bleep- point of the TLDs anyways? why can't we have -really_bad_word- arbitrary TLDs? because... then all the -dont_call_them_that- companies who paid lots of money for their bank.com domains look even -filthy_word- than today? or because horrible people will register
fuck you, lameness filter!
Simply put: this .eu appears to be the equivalent of .us I don't think .eu should be used for commerce as it says, and we all know .us isn't
"spare the lachrymosity when the fulminations have inveighed"
"spare the lachrymosity when the fulminations have inveighed"
-madd
Imagine:
The problem is that Network Solutions was (and still is) a private (only) for-profit company. They sought to relax all the requirements between org, com, & net tld's and then *sold* as many of them as they could. Instead of the domain naming system acting to help people find or create things on the Internet, we have the majority of domain names going unused, having been secured by individuals and companies hoping to profit just as NSI did with their original sale. (And NSI gets yearly rent.) It is very unfortunate that the company put in charge of domain name registration many years ago was a profit-driven company. Somebody pocketed a lot of money for that to have happended.
It has been a little over a year ago since registrar competition was introduced. But it is much too late to fix this system. The whole thing should be scrapped and new domains should be given out much like vanity license plates -- you can't sell yours to another: if you don't want it or use it, it goes back to the state to be reused. And NSI should have nothing to do with it.
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He lives in a world where those who do not run the client software of the omnipresent meme are unacceptable.
Yes! We really need this TLD! Maybe it is different for non-european people. But for us it is much easier to trust a .be/.nl/... (or other european domain) e-commerce site, than a .com site that could be anywhere in the world where our justice system doesn't reach. But for a somebody with a good idea, it is a tedious and expensive business to go out and buy all European country domains. It is also impossible as for example a .be domain can only be purchased by Belgian people who own their own business. A .eu domain could change this, and I think this is very important. An important concern is the manner in which those new domain names will be assigned. Anybody with a good proposal? Chris. http://www.vandenberghe.org ---- 24 hours in a day...24 beers in a case...coincidence?
no.
In fact, to keep things more intuitive and descriptive, one would need to do:
something.uk.eu, giving rise to unneeded extraneous data '.eu'.
It's nice though... but that's what apeals to politicians.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. The DNS is not being used appropriately.
It's a heirarchical system that has been abused by the registrars to the point where it's effectively a flat naming system; *.com.
End users should not have access to domains above 3rd or 4th level. First, second and maybe even the third level domains should be reserved exclusively for domain administration purposes. Think of it as a filing system. Would you allow users to randomly create directories off root or /usr or even /home? No. You administer that heirarchy and create areas where users can create and access information.
The DNS needs to be re-organised or even just organised. ICANN and the registrars should design the heirarchy rather than completely abdicating responsibility and allowing chaos to ensue.
A properly designed heirarchy would allow everyone to have their place without all this domain squatting and trademark infringement bullshit.
The new TLDs and the .eu TLD will simply cause more chaos. They will not solve anything. Do you really think that the IBMs, Microsofts and Apples of this world will not simply register their name in every existing TLD? They can and will.
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Well, acctualy "European Currency Unit" was just made up by the French in order to get the ECU name into non-french ppl's "hearts". Ecu is an old, even very old, French currency, and someone there simply thought it would be nice of them to influence EU with a bit of French class.
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The EU is not a country. EU is not in ISO 3166. Indeed, EU could never be put in ISO 3166 under the current rules.
If the EU was able to get a country code despite not being a country, it could potentially set a precedent which would allow the creation of a very large number of new TLDs "by the back door".
Think of it like techno stamp collecting.
But if some country I haven't received hits from only has sites in the .eu domain there won't likely be a way to figure this out (although I think I have all of Europe at this point).
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The WIPO's FAQ about ICANN and domain name arbitration can be found here.
Do a search on 'ICANN'. Sorry for not including the final link, but they use frames.
The *.com namespace could be a little less crowded if three U.S. states were to open up domains to outsiders. If the State of Colorado opened up its domain registration process, we'd have *.co.us like the Brits have *.co.uk. Then get Oregon to do it, and nonprofits (*.or.us) can jump in. ISPs can come in on Nebraska's domain (*.ne.us).
Will I retire or break 10K?
When Tuvalu sold off .tv , one of my bosses asked for us to get a domain in that space (id.tv), where it matched one of our trademarks (idtv, a local digital television service).
We were told: auction, starting at us$10k. Sorry, no. Not interested.
Adding a TLD is a good money-spinner, but it doesn't make much sense: getting the existing space re-organised (yes, I know, painful idea) would be so much more beneficial IMHO
... and today's pet project has
I AGREE, OOG. Will BLOW SOME KARMA to SHOW MY SUPPORT. I also do not think OOG is a troll. (An all bold filter would be much more useful.) Caps are like yelling, but THEY ARE NOT. They are caps. Easily moderated down if the content is not liked. I can understand the 70 second rule, but this is ridiculous. I've recommended this before, but a fractional point system where each moderator gets about 25 one-fifth Troll points to apply would solve much of Trolling. Five people with moderation would have to agree a post is a Troll. Then it would get moderated down 1 point. Easy cake. Filtering of what gets posted is simple censorship. I thought that was what moderation was suppose to avoid -- censorship. :(
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He lives in a world where those who do not run the client software of the omnipresent meme are unacceptable.
Were it not for those profiteering bastards at NSI, people would have used the .US domain, and we wouldn't have this whole damn domain name squatting controversy. Say I owned a store with a terribly cliched name -- let's make it the "New Leaf Bookstore." And we'll say I'm in Olympia, Washington. I'm www.newleaf.olympia.wa.us. Say there's a totally unrelated New Leaf bookstore in Tacoma. They're www.newleaf.tacoma.wa.us. How hard is that? You gotta remember a city instead of a com, org, or net. Then apply the related state and dot-us. That would SEVERELY cut down on the quibbling. Sure, there would still be a problem between me and the guy who owns the new leaf health store in Olympia, but that's a hell of a lot less of a problem than every New Leaf bookstore, health store, grain refinery and horticulture joint fighting over newleaf.com (out of curiosity, I looked it up -- turns out to be a "community market").
Remember fraud and misrepresentation laws still apply -- someone couldn't register newleaf.lubbock.tx.us and claim to be me. More over, squatting wouldn't be profitable because A) lubbock obviously isn't me and B) They'd have to buy thousands of domain names, not just three.
Moreover, the entire co-op way the US domain is put together should appeal to the hacker ethic -- there's no giant corporation holding all the strings, each region (i.e. olympia) is done by someone in the community who elected to do it. Like I said, I paid a one-time ten buck fee, but I'm in LA (california) -- lots of regions don't charge a dime. The workload is distributed.
But no, big money prevailed over reason, prices were inflated and service dissipated.
I urge you all to at least LOOK at the .us system and understand its beauty before you run off and buy a shiny new dot-com. Pisses me off when sites bounce my email address as "not a valid email address" 'cos the dumbass site admin has never heard of .us.
Whew! Bitterness vented. I thank you.
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There shouldn't be any; .nato was a TLD formed on the whim of one Mark Pullen at DARPA, before nato.int was sorted out. No subdomains were allocated and it should have died out by now.
http://www.netplanet.org/i-files/file 001.html (German)
Here's hoping the .eu registers enforce some kind of rule to stop all the domains being instantly sold to the foul parasitic domain brokers that have so royally fucked up the existing namespace, charging stupid prices for what was once a public good.
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think of all the .edu or .eu confusion!
fuck.eu
would .com be so popular if it didn't sound like it does?
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But imagine that every US state had its own TLD with no common TLD; then you'd have www.microsoft.wa, www.redhat.nc (or is that www.redhat.sc?), www.nytimes.ny, and so on. It'd be completely messy -- you would have to remember for every company where it's based, and companies based in several states would have to settle on one TLD as the primary one.
That's how it is in Europe: It a common market, so it's becoming increasingly irrelevant where a company or organisation is based, and very often there simply is no good choice -- hence the European Union has to use .eu.int, and most companies prefer .com domains.
For large monolithic states like the USA, India, the European Union, or China, country codes may make some sense, but I really think that it would be better to abolish this country-based system.
If you really want to distinguish between geographic entities, it can easily be done as e.g. eu.redhat.com vs. us.redhat.com or eu.parl.gov vs. us.parl.gov vs. zh.parl.gov.
I'm sure that they are thinking - 'lets give the companies an alternative TLD to use'. Unfortunately, if I was a EU company, I would still register the .com, .net and .org TLDs anyway, so this doesn't really reduce domain squatting at all does it?
.com needs a business license, .net an ISP license, and .org a non-profit organisation license. So I really had no choice but to register on the .org TLD for my own use...
I guess they could prevent it in the EU TLD by imposing crazy rules to actually register a domain, like here in Hong Kong, myself as an individial, I can't even register a domain,
I thinking the same thing is going to happen with this EU TLD from the looks of it. Maybe the EU TLD will be 'cleaner' in the sense that so many people won't squat in it, but by no stretch of the imagination is it going to improve the situation with the worldwide TLDs (and yes, they are WORLDWIDE, NOT AMERICAN TLDs...which so many people seem confuse them for).
No, that's just our politicians!
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I don't mean to be a troll but isn't this up to ICANN (The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers)?
To quote their about page:
I'm all for people/countries agreeing (including the EU folks) but as I understand it without ICANN or maybe IANA playing along, this doesn't mean much.
Yes, I'm aware that the article says:
but that says nothing about ICANN supporting this decision. It just says they are going to uses the guidelines that ICANN reccomend.I don't mean to piss anyone off but as I understand it, the internet is still largely American due to it's roots in ARPA and that most "authorities" on the internet are American.
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"So many idiots, so few comets"
Boy now weren't most of those international domains?
Interesting question. From back in the day, I thought that they were all US only. (And it's pretty believable that the US would have an ego like that, isn't it?) But RFC1591 and IANA seem to agree with you. .com, .org, and .net are all intented to be international in nature.
To save you a click, IANA says:
But you can find plenty of people that state or imply that .com is for US commercial interests, so I don't feel too bad for being confused.
Oh well. I'm going to try to get myself registered as a .int just for the hell of it.
I'd better go register linux.eu . No more of the problems we got into when http://www.linux.nl was suddenly registered by a company.
Okay. So they've run out of .coms. Easy answer: set up a new top level domain.
.com or .co.uk or .de addresses already will simply buy the equivalent .eu address as well. Once the initial buying boom has settled, all the same names will be taken by the same companies for the same sites. The only difference will be that all the DNS servers around the world will need an upgrade.
.com) are organisations which are geographically fixed, but the internet's biggest asset is the way it breaks down geographical boundaries.
.org, and such. The newly liberated .tv would have been another good step in the right direction if they hadn't gotten greedy (although I think your average tv company can afford it). Now we need things like .fun, .shop, .news, and so on.
Nope. Sorry, it won't work.
The trouble here is that all those companies with
The solution is not to set up more and more geographical domains. Consider: The only people who really want those (rather than
The solution is to have type-based domains, rather than locality-based. We already see this with
(Spudley Strikes Again!)
One point often made when discussing the new domain (or domains like .shop, .bank, ...) is, that it will make it easier for companies with simmilar names to have "nice and short" domain-names, so that one takes smith.com and the other smith.eu....
.xx they can get their hands on and will sue everyone who has registered this domain before...
But the big-ones will just register their name in every
As long as people do not understand, that there is such a thing like www.de.company.com (instead of company.de) or www.company.com/de or www.company.de/product (instead of e.g. www.hp2000.com for HP's 2000-Printer) this just makes no sense....
The Euopean Union tonight unanimously agreed to create the toplevel internet domain ".eu". Our France correspondant went on record stating "Ewww!". Puzzling isn't it?
Elsewhere around the globe the United Guatamala Hegemony is going to lobby for the toplevel domain ".ugh", while the Urguay National Federation plans on aquiring ".unf".
Sources close to the Micronesia Open Organization say they would enjoy ".moo" but it looks like they would be turned down as they aren't big enough to aquire it, unlike the Hundouras Organization of Tribbles who want ".hot" and the Guam Rightously Inspired Troll Service who want ".grits".
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