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Transferring Domains From NSI?

Dr.Doom asks: "So, the latest change to the service agreement by NSI is the last straw. I want to switch registrars, but I've heard some people say that NSI makes it very difficult to do so. My question is how can I do this with the least amount of trouble (and least amount of risk of losing my domains)?" There is some mention of the fact that NSI reserves the right to revoke a domain if it is to be transferred. Does anyone know how likely NSI is to do something like this? Is there any way to prevent it?

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  1. Re:Wow, scary.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2
    At the discretion of the losing registrar

    reread that.

    At the discretion of the losing registrar

    that means, since NSI is the losing registrar (they are losing your business), they have the final say. Am I missing something?

  2. Re:Does the "Evil NSI" really exist? by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 2

    I don't think you should let your fondness of Jon Postel blind you to the incredible lameness that is NSI. They suck. And it's not worth my time to point out all the reasons why they suck. Do a search on Slashdot for "Network Solutions" and you will find plenty of articles and comments detailing why this is so.

  3. Re:Cost? by aqua · · Score: 2

    Naw, some people consent to being brutally sodomized by NSI, just as they'd line up to buy Microsoft Sodomy 5.0, the finest and most innovative form of sodomy developed through years of secret research. From the companies that brought you The RBL Potential Lawsuit Fiasco and "Bob."

  4. Re:Cost? by aqua · · Score: 4
    Domaingeeks looks better than NSI (the only way to look worse at this stage would involve sodomy and microsoft products), but here are some problems:

    You agree, during the period of this Agreement, that we may: (1) revise the terms and conditions of this Agreement; and (2) change the services provided under this Agreement. Any such revision or change will be binding and effective immediately on posting of the revised Agreement or change to the service(s) on our web site, or on notification to you by e-mail or regular mail as per the Notices section of this agreement, Section 20. You agree to review our web site, including the Agreement, periodically to be aware of any such revisions....
    You further agree that we, in our sole discretion, may modify our Dispute Policy at any time...
    You agree that we may, in our sole discretion, delete or transfer your domain name at any time.

    What I'd want out of a registrar, based on our experiences sofar, would be:

    1. Any changes to policy either come from ICANN or don't go into effect until the end of a reg term, when you will be notified of changes beforehand.
    2. The domain is yours, and we won't turn it off so long as you've paid and the courts haven't ordered it shut off and our server's aren't on fire.
    3. We protect your privacy -- including that we won't spam you, or let anyone else do so through information of ours.
  5. Re:What happens to NSI now... by Koos · · Score: 4
    In the current domain system, NSI will never go bankrupt even if they lose their last "dotCom bizcard" (funny letting something as important as domain registration go to a company that doesn't even call it a domain).

    NSI runs the master registry database. A version of the agreement can be found on the icann website but even further digging there will even show the exact amounts NSI gets from the Dept of Commerce and from the registrars for running the registry and which bank accounts to use for payments.

    A very interesting conflict of interest could arise between the role of Network Solutions as database keeper and Network Solutions as competing registrar although the contracts try to close any holes.

    I found this yesterday as I was digging for "when does an expired domain become available again" which isn't answered by NSI or ICANN at all.

  6. Depends On When You Registered by Seumas · · Score: 4
    If you registered your domain before NSI claimed the rights which they currently are asserting, then you are only bound by the obligations of the contract at that time. If you renew your domain name with them, though -- you will be subject to the new contract.

    I don't have a credit card unfortunately, but I'm going to see if I can get my webhost or someone else to transfer my domains as soon as possible. I'm fed-up with NSI and all the problems I've seen them cause people I know. It's rediculous that something so simple should be so complex.

    NSI acts as if they're god's gift to the internet and hopefully they'll find themselves bending over to AOL as just another luser concept that only people with AOL accounts would bother to use. NSI and AOL deserve each other.
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    1. Re:Depends On When You Registered by FunkMonkey#9 · · Score: 4
      If you registered your domain before NSI claimed the rights which they currently are asserting, then you are only bound by the obligations of the contract at that time. If you renew your domain name with them, though -- you will be subject to the new contract.

      Read Section 6, "Modification to the Agreement," of NSI's domain service agreement. It's your standard-issue God clause that says they can change the terms of the agreement anytime they want.

      The best part is: You've agreed to it. You're damned if you do...

      It's always been in there (to my knowledge, and I would assume they're pretty smart about screwing the little guy), so they can always get away away with it. ISPs do the same thing, typically.

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  7. Re:same way you stop any corp... by llywrch · · Score: 2

    >sue them and win.

    IANAL, just a basically honest guy, so what puzzles me about the whole contraversy is how the laws of Virginia affect an interstate (or in some cases, international) commercial transaction?

    I figure that if Federal Law (or the laws of another sovereign nation) say that a domain name is the IP of the registered party, then this pre-empts anything NSI attempts to assert.

    It's fascinating to consider how corporations cry & wail over the theft of their IP, while at the same time they are stealing it from other people . . .

    Geoff

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  8. It simple, or it can be simple by Duke+of+URL · · Score: 5

    Find the registrar you want to use, contact them and ask them to transfer your current domains at NSI to them, your new registrar.

    They want your business and most are happy to do it. I just did this myself a few weeks ago and switched from NSI to DomainDiscover.com. All in all, it was a pleasant, painless experience. DomainDiscover doesn't charge a transfer fee, but has you instead sign up for an additional year through them for $30 USD. They honor the rest of the time you had on NSI's contract.

  9. Re:Does the "Evil NSI" really exist? by Outland+Traveller · · Score: 2

    As someone who deals with NSI regularly, I can say that they are indeed evil! Do you want some first hand examples? C'mon, you can try these yourself!

    1. Try and make a domain name change via an email template. Did it work? Did you have to wait a couple days to see if the change went live? Now try making the same change with almost every other register via an https form. Notice the simplicity, and instant feedback. What kind of company (other than an evil one) would put you through such email template hell when cheaper, more customer-oriented alternatives exist?

    2. Try and resolve a change request failure with NSI via email. Notice that aside from the automated response, you never receive a reply.

    3. Try and find NSI's customer service number on their web page. How long did it take you? When you call the number, is it constantly busy so that you don't even get the pleasure of being put on hold for 30 minutes? When you have to call the number a month later on a different issue, is it still busy? how about 1 year? Bonus points if you can say exactly why NSI can't increase their phone support capability despite knowing that it is woefully inadequate for years.

    4. How much did you pay for your domain name for NSI? Was it marked up 200% from what competing registrars charge?

    Here's my favourite bit of NSI hell.. Although you may not be able to replicate it as readily as the others. One of the domains in good standing that I administered at the time (mprint.com) was suddenly, without warning, transfered to a different owner. That owner then pointed their name servers to match our original ones, presumably so we would not notice the change of ownership. They screwed up a bit, however, and we found out. Imagine my surpise when we finally tracked down a network problem to the domain name registration information being wrong! When pressed for information network solutions said that they had a "golden agreement" with the ISP that took our domain name away, and that they make changes for that ISP without proven authorization. Luckily the domain name was given back to us because the ISP claimed it had been taken "in error". The whole situation was really fishy, however.

    So, who *wouldn't* want to transfer their domain name away from this greedy, kafka-esque bureaucracy that has not concept whatsoever of customer service?

    -OT

  10. ICANN is international by DHartung · · Score: 2

    NSI is an American company that runs the master registry by contract with ICANN. ICANN is a non-profit corporation with board members appointed by various entities, some of which are the longstanding US entities with an interest in the DNS, some to represent Europe and other countries. This was a grand compromise about 3 years ago after a conference at the White House.

    Under ICANN any qualifying company can become a domain registrar, and scores have already. This is intended to provide competition in the domain registry marketplace, and it clearly has.
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  11. Re:I think Congress already addressed this... by DHartung · · Score: 2

    It's called the Anti-CyberSquatting act (or some such nonsense).

    The bill was S.1948 (read Title III) and passed as an amendment to other legislation.

    NSI revoking the domain simply because you decided to go elsewhere (and had plenty of time left on your existing legitimate registration) would violate several areas of law

    Indeed, which is why they're required by ICANN policy to transfer it to your chosen registrar on your request. If they were to violate this, they could be booted as a registrar, apart from any other legal considerations. Domain transfer is a built-in feature of the SRS (shared registration system), which many of the knee-jerkers on Slashdot don't seem to know or care.

    Think about this -- what would happen if NSI claimed ownership of Microsoft's or Yahoo's or Altavista's domain name? The intellectual-property lawyers would be all over them in seconds! The name itself has got to be the intellectual property of the company.

    NSI was not claiming the intellectual property rights; these two rulings were not addressing the question of whether the company or NSI owned the rights to the domain. They were about whether a domain name is subject to certain property laws such as garnishment (Virginia) or registrar liability (California). They haven't really addressed the issue of whether John Smith or Mary Jones or Widgets, Inc. "owns" a domain name; if anything, the judges and ICANN have all tiptoed around this question. The judge in California practically begged Congress to pass a law settling the question for once and for all.

    Guess who Congress would side with on that one?

    Anyone up to putting a RFC together? (And subsequently stuffing it down ICANN's throat?)

    An RFC for what? Are you sure the things you want aren't already in place? In any case, this has already moved far beyond the capability of the net to "legislate" and well into the realm of intellectual property law. That RFC wouldn't be worth the paper it is (not) printed on; one lawsuit could blow it away like so much lint.
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  12. ICANN registrar transfer rules by DHartung · · Score: 2
    The document I posted above was a draft document from 1998. The current ICANN Registrar Agreement contains the following proviso:

    Sponsorship [i.e. choice of registrar] of a [domain] registration may be changed at the express direction of the [domain]holder.

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  13. Re:same way you stop any corp... by DHartung · · Score: 2

    llywrch asks:
    IANAL, just a basically honest guy, so what puzzles me about the whole contraversy is how the laws of Virginia affect an interstate (or in some cases, international) commercial transaction?

    In the main, because Network Solutions is a corporation domiciled in the Commonwealth of Virginia. You generally have to sue a person or corporation where they "live". Secondarily, because the NSI contract specifies that Fairfax County is the jurisdiction of choice for issues relating to their contract. (This is normal for contracts, IIRC.)

    I figure that if Federal Law (or the laws of another sovereign nation) say that a domain name is the IP of the registered party, then this pre-empts anything NSI attempts to assert.

    Actually, federal law does not state that a domain name is the IP of the registered party. A domain name that is similar to a trademark is subject to certain rules, but under federal law, a domain name is not yet explicitly intellectual property in and of itself.

    Besides, the rulings in question did not, repeat not, address whether NSI "owns" the name or the trademark, only whether the domain name was "property" for legal purposes of liability (i.e. like when you sue your neighbor to return your hedge-trimmer).
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  14. Re:Cost? by freejack · · Score: 2
    This is actually something that we overzealously require that our RSPs use in their terms and conditions.

    A much friendlier version of this agreement will be available and in force this week - the basic changes will most certainly meet your requirements as noted...

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  15. Re:Use OpenSRS by freejack · · Score: 3
    ...I'm leery of a registrar who feels it necessary or apropriate to run a site like this -- blatant spamdexing, Arial-only fonts, etc....

    To your first point...check out What Is...spamdexing (a definition)...I have a hard time believing that our use of metatags qualifies as spamdexing.

    To your second point, it's actually Times New Roman exclusively.

    It's not pretty, but it is full of content and conforms to a reasonable estimation of standardized HTML (with the exception of some lame font elements in a list item array). If it matters, it has less than 1/2 of the standardized design problems of our competitors...

    ;)

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  16. Does the "Evil NSI" really exist? by Medievalist · · Score: 4

    Everyone's always talking about what hosers the guys at NSI are. Yet, I'm old enough to have gotten several domains directly from Jon Postel, and I have never known NSI to screw anyone who wasn't actively trying to be a dick.
    Sure, they yank domains from cybersquatters, because otherwise it'd be impossible to control the costs of doing business on the Internet. What makes a cybersquatter less reprehensible than a company that is just trying to serve the needs of the majority of their customers?
    NSI has made a couple of big mistakes, and they've been crippled by Jon's death. But they are not the evil moneygrubbers the propaganda makes them out to be. In fact, for years they didn't even charge for domains despite having the legal right to do so.
    What exactly are the motivations of the people who insist that they are evil? I don't see the AlterNIC guys in the headlines too often anymore... are they mad that nobody paid any attention to them, or something? They had good ideas but poor public relations, it seems to me.
    --Charlie

    1. Re:Does the "Evil NSI" really exist? by Jasn · · Score: 2
      Hear, hear. I can't think of a single transaction with them, going back years, that didn't have a flaw or screw-up, including a NIC handle problem similar to the one described here. So much so that I consider myself lucky to be "holding" the domains that I do (in whatever sense of the word applies these days).

      The scary part is, I did get a response from a human -- after some of my changes not only failed but bungled my records further, I finally called them. Told them (truthfully) I was Administrative Contact for the domain. They found the changes (hung up on authorization), and completed them. Now, any system that is so hopelessly bungled that I am grateful for this insane lapse in security, and then has the gall to charge me a 90 percent markup or so, doesn't deserve to profit -- and probably wouldn't unless it chose to resort to anticompetitive measures. At least back in the early days of the NSF's transfer to them, their collection department was also too screwed up to enforce timely payments.

    2. Re:Does the "Evil NSI" really exist? by Fzz · · Score: 2
      Please don't confuse NSI with ISI. Jon worked for ISI (USC's Information Sciences Institute) and ran IANA (the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority). But it's been a long time since IANA handled registering domain names - that role passed on to Network Solutions under contact to the government when it became too large a task for one person. IANA continued to handle registrations of protocol numbers, etc, but not domain names. I don't think Jon ever worked for Network Solutions.

      --Fzz

  17. Lawsute potental by Felinoid · · Score: 2

    If NSI shutdown a domain when a transfer request was put in that wouldn't be a big deal as the new agentcy would just re-registure the name.
    If NSI resold the domain or held on to the domain in some way instead of honnering a transfer the domain holder would have grounds to sue.

    Such a case would not be cut and dry.

    It would be nessisary to prove that NSI acted in responce to the domain transfer.
    It would be nessisary to prove that the domain transfer request releases the domain holder from NSIs contract.
    NSI would have to prove that they in revoking the domain did act within the bounds of the contract and what they did was not wholesale theft.
    There is also the whole trademark issue that may enter into the picture of the domain holder owns the trademark to his/her domain.

    It wouldn't be a cut and dry case and there would be much image bloodshead (trashing of each other).
    I would hope this alone would give NSI pause before trying something like this.

    Sadly I suspect if NSI dose pull this the first few victoms won't be able to sue.
    If however something happend to Microsoft.com.... Microsoft has enough image scars to act as armor for an NSI vs Microsoft lawsute....

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  18. Jumpdomain by Serk · · Score: 3

    ...Ask me this question again in 5-10 working days. After the last story about NSI, I went to www.jumpdomain.com and filled out their form to transfer a domain from someone else to them. The form was simple enough, if anyone's interested, e-mail me in 5-10 working days and if the mail gets through to me, the transfer most likely worked out okay. =)
    Or, for that matter, has anyone out there every used jumpdomain to transfer off of NSI?

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    1. Re:Jumpdomain by Robert+Hayden · · Score: 2
      OUCH! Jumpdomain has the following in their legal language:

      You agree that we may, in our sole discretion, delete or transfer your domain name at any time.

      Um....I don't think so.

  19. Cost? by Mike+Schiraldi · · Score: 2

    Yeah, and what's the cost of transferring a domain like this?
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    1. Re:Cost? by MoxCamel · · Score: 2

      Using one of the OpenSRS affiliates (ObPlug: Like Domaingeeks.com :), the transfer process is pretty uncomplicated. All you need to agree to is registering the domain for an additional year. So if you have a year left on your NetSlo domain, transfering it would give you a total of 2 years (of course, you have to pay the affiliate whatever the cost of that year is).

  20. Keep your contact clean. by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    Well..
    1) Who is the domain registered TO? (not the contacts; the actual registrant)
    2) Who are the contacts?

    If at least one of these are you, you should have no problems modifying the registration.
    If the contacts are generic role accounts at youre previous employer (so you can't modify them) and the domain is registered to some BS company you made up.. you might have trouble.

  21. Confusion by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    NSI and NetSol... are one and the same though.....

  22. Re:Cause a run on the bank by LLatson · · Score: 2

    >Imagine if your bank were to declare that your deposits with them were not physical, but electronic...

    All the obvious legal issues aside, I would imagine that the bank would start losing customers pretty fast and probably wouldn't get much new business.

    Everyone on this site is complaining about that clause but I haven't heard of one actual report of NSI taking away a domain name for their own use or to sell to someone else. The simple reason is because it would be bad business practice. People transfer domain names every day, some of them worth lots and lots of money, and NSI doesn't stop any of it from happening.

    That clause is just legal backspeak to protect their asses. Everyone needs to calm down.

    LL

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  23. speechless by quux26 · · Score: 5
    I had to pause before posting this (because it looks like flamebait at first glance), but the community should be figuring out how to cram a spinning lawnmower up the financial tailpipe of NSI, not how to organize damage control. I mean, pardon the knee-jerk reaction, but this positively rivals the audacity of any FUD that MS has thrown our way.

    I'd say this calls for a Stallman-esque boycot of NSI. Find out about places like dotster.com or processing innovations (I have a domain registered with each). This is absolute bull****, and I'm sorry to see the community diving for shelter. How many /. readers sit in a position to select which registrars their company uses? Just a few, I'd guess...

    My .02
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  24. Switch to DomainDiscover / TierraNet by Izaak · · Score: 2
    I will likely switch my domains to DomainDiscover from NSI. You must print out and mail in a form to do it (no web based form yet), but their reg agreement has none of the nasty clauses that many other registrars have.

    It is sad really. I've been admining Internet domains for so long that my InterNIC handle is just my initials (TDP) with no numbers in it. It is painful to see the system corrupted and twisted in this way.

    Thad

  25. Discretion of the losing registrar... by GoNINzo · · Score: 4
    As I stated, any court of law can clearly recognize that a person should be able to transfer a domain that they have purchased, and promptly paid for. It's only when there are problems with the domain initially that there should be any reason to delay the transfer.

    Network Solutions could refuse to transfer domains to other registrars, but if they do for many institutions, they risk being audited by the government for refusing to give up their government instituted monopoly. ie, bad news for NSI, they are out of the 'give us free money' business of being a registrar.

    But, if you never try, you'll never find out, will you? I know many people that have transfered domains around with no problems. But, how they react to a mass exodus, we'll see.

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  26. Wow, scary.. by GoNINzo · · Score: 5
    I do some research this morning, and I get an 'ask slashdot' today...

    Okay a couple steps for Register.com, my current domain registrar choice.

    1. Get the PDF form. There is a web based version here, but it prints worse.
    2. Fill it out
    3. Get a photocopy of your drivers license or something and have it notorized.
    4. Fax it or mail it. It takes around 3-4 days.

    NSI can only block you if:

    • The transfer request was initiated within the first 60 days of the original registration date
    • There is a dispute over the domain name
    • There is a pending bankruptcy of the domain name holder
    • There is a dispute over the identity of the domain name holder
    • At the discretion of the losing registrar
    So be careful of the last clause. In theory, they are only shooting themselves in the foot, and the legal notification to change should hold up in court. and of course, the implied IANAL.

    I garnered all this info from the Register.com help pages in preperations for my domain transfer today. Also, I've been quite happy with Register.com's hosting so far, so this is all IMHO.

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  27. I think Congress already addressed this... by Raetsel · · Score: 2
    It's called the Anti-CyberSquatting act (or some such nonsense).

    NSI revoking the domain simply because you decided to go elsewhere (and had plenty of time left on your existing legitimate registration) would violate several areas of law (IMHO/IANAL):

    1. Restraint of trade against you (they're taking away your ability to do business!)
    2. Monopoly-level restraint of trade against the other domain registrars (Keeping them from attracting existing domains -- Microsoft would be proud and Janet Reno would come running!)
    3. Cyber-Squatting (intent to sell a trademarked/copyrighted domain for a profit -- you did remember to trademark it, right?)
    Think about this -- what would happen if NSI claimed ownership of Microsoft's or Yahoo's or Altavista's domain name? The intellectual-property lawyers would be all over them in seconds! The name itself has got to be the intellectual property of the company. Like a thousand people have pointed out before me, all you're paying NSI to do is
    1. make sure there's only one of each name,
    2. associate that name with an IP address,
    3. and make that database reliably available to ISPs everywhere!
    Simple enough, right? Now, all you need is the cash reserves to have a pack of rabid lawyers at the ready! Good luck -- there has to be a better way to do things like this.

    Anyone up to putting a RFC together? (And subsequently stuffing it down ICANN's throat?)


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  28. Moving one or two is OK, but thousands? by OgGreeb · · Score: 2

    We operate a six year old Internet services company and we have thousands of domains registered with NSI and owned by our clients.
    It may be one thing to reassign one or two
    domains, but as an IPP, what could we really do
    to change things and go with a new provider
    without sticking ourselves or our clients with
    a huge bill. I've been waiting on the phone
    for many hours trying to reach a NSI staffer
    for various domain problems, and many times I've
    thought that it would be great to have a choice.
    Still, organizing and executing such a move without disruption to our clients would be a
    nightmare undertaking. What we need is a
    stable, reliable registrar with tools to help
    us with many domains simultaneously. Any thoughts?

    -Gary
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  29. Re:Use OpenSRS by Ruzty · · Score: 3

    I used Discount Domain Registry, an OpenSRS affiliate, and had my domain transfered away from NSI in about 2 business days. It was simple and painless and now I'm saving money as well as being able to manage my domain without annoying emailed templates.
    -Rusty

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  30. Re:Cause a run on the bank by 1010011010 · · Score: 2
    Imagine if your bank were to declare that your deposits with them were not physical, but electronic, and as such were merely forms of information that were the product of your contract with the bank. Therefore, they actually owned your money, allowing you to use it at their "sole discretion", and if you tried to move it to another bank, they had no legal responsibility if the "information" somehow ended up in the hands of a third party.
    Umm... it is already this way. When you make a deposit at a bank, you are loaning the bank your money, and they have no obligation, legally, to give it back. They nearly always do, of course, but once you deposit it, it is not your money.

    Here is a Depost Account Contract. Read it carefully.

    Deposit: Money given in advance to show intention to complete the purchase of a property. Also, money transferred into a customer's account at a financial institution. see also American Depositary Receipt, Global Depositary Receipt, certificate of deposit, demand deposit, depository trust company, earnest money, escrow, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, margin call, near money, savings account, savings deposits, security deposit, time deposit.
    In short, once you give it to the bank, the bank owns it.
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  31. Re:NSI kills the little guy by Cramer · · Score: 2

    You forget... Microsoft owns part of NSI, so this will "never happen."

    What do you expect from people who call everything a "web address"? They are starting to become as stupidly greedy as Micro$oft.

  32. Re:What happens to NSI now... by fuhrcub · · Score: 2


    Business will drop dramatically from those who know what they are doing.


    Slight problem. Of the people who register domains, how many "know what they are doing?"

    For example, here in Central Ohio, there have been radio ads for Spot.cc which lets you reserve domain names in the *.cc domain. Unfortunately, they don't mention that you could (a) loose your domain name if it's trademarked or that (b) you're actually paying more than if you registered through NSI.

    A lot of people have gone ahead and registered domain names that probably won't be worth very much. Ah well...

  33. Re:Any ratings of alternate registrars? by ars · · Score: 2
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  34. Re:http://www.domaindirect.com $24.95 to transfer by Sativa · · Score: 2

    if your domain registration expires prior to the transfer taking place you are required to renew the registration with the originating registrar. The Orginating registrar does not "Have" to accept the transfer request. The main reason they do not accept the requests is that the domain is on "hold" or it has legal issues associated with the domain.

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  35. P.S.:Use OpenSRS by Ledge+Kindred · · Score: 2
    The at-cost price of transferring a domain is about $10 I think, plus the annual fee for having your domain held in OpenSRS, although the affiliate may decide to charge the customer more for the service.

    It's probably easier to find an OpenSRS affiliate to handle your domains for you than to become a new affiliate, unless you have hundreds of domains yourself. It was fairly painless for us, but requires a lot of setup and back-and-forth with the OpenSRS people so takes at least a few days, maybe as long as a couple of weeks.

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  36. Use OpenSRS by Ledge+Kindred · · Score: 5
    The OpenSRS "affiliate" admin screen has an option to "transfer a domain" that as easy as clicking on the option, typing the name of the domain you wish to transfer to OpenSRS, clicking the "submit" button and they do all the rest of the work. We've transferred literally hundreds of domains away from NSI without a hitch.

    Either try to contact the OpenSRS people directly about becoming an affiliate, or otherwise try to contact an OpenSRS affiliate to handle your domains for you.

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    1. Re:Use OpenSRS by dkh · · Score: 2

      While their service looks decent they also have the offending items in their user agreement, namely, "You agree that we may, in our sole discretion, delete or transfer your domain name at any time." and they also have a clause allowing them to change the agreement at will.

  37. NSI kills the little guy by sturm66 · · Score: 2

    seems likely that NSI will just use this to pick on little guys. as *if* they would take away a big corps domain name. can you imagine - www.microsoft.com taken back because they decided to switch registrations. NSI would be sued flat in 10 minutes.

  38. Sometimes I wonder by sansbury · · Score: 2
    GCP Writes: big legal departments out there that would be horrified to learn of NSI's legal claim, but I'm willing to bet that few of them know about this yet.

    Sometimes I wonder if people here read nothing but Slashdot. The worldview of 3/4ths of the posters here are so divorced from reality that a tremendous amount of intellectual potential is really going to waste. It pains me to see so many otherwise smart people getting whipped up into such frenzies over non-issues like this.

    NSI is not going to "lose" valuable domains and re-sell them just because it's in the subscription agreement that they own your domain. I love the fact that every other registrar under the sun uses almost the same exact language and yet people excuse it because "so-and-so's not NSI." I sympathize with dislike of Network Solutions, they're a typical pain-in-the-ass monopoly company, just like the phone company.

    Try sometime reading the terms of your bank account, credit cards, brokerage account, driver's license, or AAA membership, and you will likely be "shocked." Everybody who writes agreements goes to their utmost length to insert such "Cover My Ass" statements so they have some legal recourse in extraordinary circumstances.

    I will readily retract and apologize for these statements if NSI does start pulling systematic monkey business with domains, but I'm not afraid b/c it isn't going to happen. Spend some time outside of Slashdot, get some fresh air, and stop making mountains out of nothing.

    -cwk.

  39. On a similar note... by Rhyas · · Score: 2

    Does anybody know if the new contract takes effect for those who have had Domains registered under previous contracts?? Doesn't NSI have to notify it's customers if they modify the contract?

  40. List of OpenSRS resellers by kbahey · · Score: 2

    Someone above asked for a List of OpenSRS affiliates (i.e. resellers). I have been trying to do the same, but never could get such a list, despite extensive searches.

    Note that the Domain Name Buyers Guide does not cover any OpenSRS affiliate yet.

    Last week, I decided to ask OpenSRS themselves, and opened a sales ticket and a support ticket. The support guy gave me the usual run around ("Our reseller list is confidential", "we cannot release such info", "try a web search").

    The sales person was more helpful and gave me a list of five resellers:

    I checked them out, but none of them seemed exceptionally cheap or impressive.

    Independantly, I tried searching for such info myself. Here is what I found:

    All of them provide online domain transfer from NSI or from other registrars.

    In case you are wondering, if your reseller goes out of business (many of them are small operations or a one-man-shows), then OpenSRS will be the registrar. The sales person told me they would help me find another registrar should this happen.

    I am willing to maintain a list of OpenSRS resllers that offer cheap (20$ or less per year) domain registrations. If you find more, please let me know. You can contact me via the web site above or via 2bits.com (fill a contact form) or you can e-mail me at khalidATbaheyeldinDOTcom.

    As a related issue, I have been looking for a PHP port of the OpenSRS library (Yeah, I am a Perl-Hater!), so I can implement it myself, shell out the 250$ minimum needed for being an Open SRS reseller, then I can provide domain registry for friends, family and clients. However, there is no such port planned by OpenSRS.org, and one reseller (forget which one) has a library that is working in every aspect except the encryption stuff.

  41. Re: No Problem with GoodbyeNSI and Tita-nic by StopLifePatents · · Score: 2


    it is very easy to switch. NSI engineered these fears. it is pure manipulation.
    the risk is far greater if you stay.
    Use any OpenSRS registrar for easy fast and safe transfers:
    the one you find on Tita-nic.com for example is very good.
    please don't pay more then 11 - 15$ per domain per year.

    we pledge to track any abuse by NSI you report to us.
    we will publicize it widely. KeepYourDomain .

    >How do I know which Resistrar I have my domains with ?
    on Tita-nic.com push "who owns/whois",
    search for your domain, then see: "Server used for this query:"
    for any transfer, it is not necessary to know.
    just get the transfer done with a few clicks
    and have the domain for a full additional year
    on a safe place within 5 days.

  42. Cause a run on the bank by GCP · · Score: 5

    Good domain names are so difficult to obtain that they sell for millions. There are a lot of large institutions with big legal departments out there that would be horrified to learn of NSI's legal claim, but I'm willing to bet that few of them know about this yet. Once they find out, we'll have some powerful allies.

    Imagine if your bank were to declare that your deposits with them were not physical, but electronic, and as such were merely forms of information that were the product of your contract with the bank. Therefore, they actually owned your money, allowing you to use it at their "sole discretion", and if you tried to move it to another bank, they had no legal responsibility if the "information" somehow ended up in the hands of a third party.

    I would guess that if this move got out, there would be a run on the bank. That's exactly what should happen to NSI as well as any other institution that claims ownership of something I deposit with them for a fee.

    I suggest that we generate a Slashdot effect on NSI by getting the word out anyway we can, to everyone who will listen, hopefully causing a run on this "bank".

    NSI would then either have to publicly change its policy, or publicly explain its unchanged policy. The latter would probably put them out of business as all the folks in the world who give computer advice decided en masse to advise against NSI. Either way, it would make news.

    All eyes would be on them, with the press sniffing around for stories of NSI "losing" domains that were transferred away from them, probably making them much more careful. At the same time, there would probably be a few large organizations willing to combine their legal resources in a bid to stop NSI. After all, NSI isn't just setting its own policies, it's setting precedents -- precedents that organizations with billions in intellectual property and large legal departments wouldn't want set.

    This approach is about the only way I can think of to increase our likelihood, as small fish ourselves, of maintaining possession of our hard-won domain names in the face of this sort of outrageous behavior.

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  43. my transfers went fine by aozilla · · Score: 2

    I transferred all of my domains from network solutions to opensrs. Every one of them went through, and it took about 10 days. Most of the people who have had problems waited until after their domain had expired before transferring it (or even never had paid for it). If you do it early enough, everything should go through just fine.

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  44. Re:What happens to NSI now... by Yardley · · Score: 2

    My question: How can we get NSI out of the role of running the registry database?

    Well, looked it up and it won't be long depending on a couple of things:

    23. Expiration of this Agreement. The Expiration Date shall be four years after the Effective Date, unless extended as provided below. In the event that NSI completes the legal separation of ownership of its Registry Services business from its registrar business by divesting all the assets and operations of one of those businesses within 18 months after Effective Date to an unaffiliated third party that enters an agreement enforceable by ICANN and the Department of Commerce (i) not to be both a registry and a registrar in the Registry TLDs, and (ii) not to control, own or have as an affiliate any individual(s) or entity(ies) that, collectively, act as both a registry and a registrar in the Registry TLDs, the Expiration Date shall be extended for an additional four years, resulting in a total term of eight years. For the purposes of this Section, "unaffiliated third party" means any entity in which NSI (including its successors and assigns, subsidiaries and divisions, and their respective directors, officers, employees, agents and representatives) does not have majority equity ownership or the ability to exercise managerial or operational control, either directly or indirectly through one or more intermediaries. "Control," as used in this Section 23, means any of the following: (1) ownership, directly or indirectly, or other interest entitling NSI to exercise in the aggregate 25% or more of the voting power of an entity; (2) the power, directly or indirectly, to elect 25% or more of the board of directors (or equivalent governing body) of an entity; or (3) the ability, directly or indirectly, to direct or cause the direction of the management, operations, or policies of an entity.

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  45. What happens to NSI now... by ivan37 · · Score: 5

    Now that Network Solutions has decided to do this, this is what is going to happen next:

    Business will drop dramatically from those who know what they are doing.

    Eventually this drop in business will effect them so much that they will consider repealing this new clause to their contract.

    Due to their way-too-big egos, they will not repeal it for fear of looking like idiots (too late).

    To make up for lost revenue, they will start taking popular domains away for frivilous reasons. A few hell.coms auctioned off here and there and they make up quite a bit of money.

    If people haven't moved away from Network Solutions yet, they will now.

    Pretty soon Network Solutions won't have any domains left and will go bankrupt unless they decide to fess up and give in (fat chance).

    1. Re:What happens to NSI now... by John+Jorsett · · Score: 4

      This brings to mind a question: if NSI did take away a domain, say amazon.com f'rinstance, could it auction it to the highest bidder, or are they in any way legally bound to give it to the first applicant for $70? If the former, there'd be quite an incentive for NSI to set up some sort of easily-violated 'rules' in order to seize and resell domains that have high value. Sort of like many law-enforcement agencies have a tremendous incentive to seize private property since the revenue goes directly to them.

  46. NSI - Domain Transfers by vinceh · · Score: 2

    Well, I recently wanted to change my domain registration, it is registered under the name of my previous employer.
    NSI now has basically made this impossible for me, because I do not hold any contacts with my previous employer now, and they want someone with "Authority" within the current registrant.
    I think these policies blow! My address is wrong on the domain, I recently moved so I cannot have forms mailed to my current address, because it is not listed anywhere on the current domain agreement.
    Does anyone know what I can do? I do not like the fact that my previous employer has full control of my domain. I cannot have them change it because I quit on the "not so best of terms".