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PeterPan writes: "QuickTime for RealNetworks 'RealNetworks has licensed Apple intellectual property for streaming digital video and audio over the Internet in QuickTime. RealServer 8 now supports delivery of QuickTime content to QuickTime players.'" It'd be great to be able to actually watch high-quality QuickTime clips without either proprietary hardware / software combinations or jerky (or space-hogging) downcoversions.
It'd be great to be able to actually watch high-quality QuickTime clips without either proprietary hardware / software combinations...
I suppose this is referring to running QuickTime on a Mac, perhaps a bitter statement in regards to the fact that there is not a QuickTime player for Linux. QuickTime 4 does run under Mac OS and Windows. Aside from that, QuickTime is far more open than RealPlayer. I've seen many programs, both on the Mac OS and Windows which utilize the QuickTime libraries - movie players and non-linear video editing applications, mostly. The QuickTime libraries can be called and used from other programs, and not just confined to the QT4 player.
Because of this, at least on the Mac, there are QuickTime players, using the QT4 libs, but not the QT4 interface, for people who don't like the brushed metal UI/look.
It is a bummer (for me as well) that there is no QuickTime player/libraries for Linux, but Apple doesn't owe you a thing. Next time, think before you tag something biased and uninformed onto the post.
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Did anyone notice the name of Real Media's representative?
Jenny Sorenson
RealNetworks
Probably just a coincidence.
Johan
No, actually, dehydrated mothers in Central Africa with HIV and cholera are the most pathetic people on Earth.Get some perspective, d00d.
Apple zealots are no more pathetic than Linux zealots or Winbigots.
My point, and I think it's well understood in this community, was that Windows' underlying structure confounds smooth operation for third-party and Micros~1 stuff alike. What is emerging to my mind is that Linux zealots for all their vaunted technical expertise are as stymied as any other novice when it comes to systems they're not familiar with. A little humility is in order for all of us.
...as the note says, it would be nice not to have to use quicktime player. Or RealPlayer, for that matter. In my experience, both of them tend to conflict with other applications/snap up the rights to play certain files without consent. Neither program is all that great, as far as I'm concerned.
RealPlayer and Quicktime rank as my #1 and #2 most annoying pieces of software, ever. The thought of them working together makes me cringe.
They've probably got a team of engineers working on new, unexpected places to put shortcuts, fully integrated networks of "Register Now/ Later" windows, hideously overdone interfaces, and random things to stick in unexpected places in the registry.
This is the worst news I've had in months.
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Apple has never intended to make any money on its streaming server software, evidenced by the fact that while MS and Real charge out the nose for theirs, Apple gives away the whole server, with source to boot.
So for Apple, they get a major boon: RealServer, which is an established media server for many businesses, will now also stream QT files. That means the likelihood of sites offering QT streams will go up, which means more people will use the Quicktime software to view those streams. RealServer gets the ability to cater to millions more people since they can now stream to a client that is included in every copy of Mac OS on every Macintosh sold in the past year or so (and there's quite a few of those, believe me) plus another slew of clients on Windows.
Frankly, I think Apple is making a good move here. The more people that integrate QT streaming into their apps, the more QT becomes an entrenched standard.
And for the Qt-on-Linux people: I am almost sure that Apple has looked and continues to look at Quicktime on Linux. It's a shoe-in considering the porting efforts to Darwin.. but consider the effort needed to port QT to Linux. First of all, the video system in Linux needs much work to get it up to the same speed as proprietary systems. Moreover, which windowing system: should they call it kQuicktime or gQuicktime?
But the most important question: how many of you asking for Quicktime on Linux would be satisfied if that happened? Or would the new Question of the Day on Slashdot be: When is Apple going to Open Source Quicktime for Linux? It's not GPL, so why should I use it? etc...
If some of us would be thankful for the efforts the proprietary software community HAS made to work with and join the Open Source movement, instead of being so damn jaded and ungrateful, perhaps these companies would be motivated to join the cause wholeheartedly.
Instead most of us can't accept the fact that companies, like people, change and can mend their ways. Most of us see green and hate it. Most of us can't get beyond our petty prejudices to see the benefits some of these companies bring.
And until then Linux and the like will continue to be a fringe OS, because we refuse to work with others to improve ourselves.
Get off your high horse and write a thank you to IBM's Open Source advocate. Or Apple's.. check the Darwin list, there are many of them at Apple.
Some of you are just so self-righteous it's sickening.
The Market Leader in user base joined hands with the market leader in quality. M$ is going to cry hoarse shouting monopoly !!!
RealNetworks let Apple have the rights, but at what cost? And what favours will they have to do back?
This seems like a story where patents really work, but I'm sure RealNetworks isn't just doing this because they're nice guys.
If I, or any other low-brow programmer wanted to do something related, what would it take to get the rights as well?
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HUH? I don't get this comment....
Go here:
http://publicsource.apple.com/projects/streaming/
Darwin Streaming Server 2.0.1 includes minor performance and reliability enhancements. Download compiled binaries below (requires acceptance of the APSL):
FreeBSD 3.4 (server and proxy)
Red Hat Linux 6.2 (server and proxy)
Solaris 7 (server and proxy)
Windows NT Server/Windows 2000 Server (server)
This is equivalent to QuickTime Streaming Server 2.0.1 for Mac OS X Server.
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Maybe I'm being dumb here (is the poster just talking about playback?) but you clearly can serve Quicktime content without proprietary hardware and software solutions.
Sure, you need to be able to encode it first, but the Sorenson codec is a whole other problem. If we had that then these guys:
Quicktime for Linux would be having a much easier time of it!
What's really needed is a shit hot open source video compression codec. Anyone know of such a beast?
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So let me get this straight, instead of using a high-performance open source RTP-RTSP server to serve quicktime (darwin streaming server), you now have the option of paying out the nose for a proprietary one (real)?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
And seeing as how Darwin runs on these platforms:
FreeBSD 3.4 (server and proxy)
Red Hat Linux 6.2 (server and proxy)
Solaris 7 (server and proxy)
Windows NT Server/Windows 2000 Server(server)
AND real player can play RTP-RTSP streamed media anyway, why on earth would you bother with real's server at all?
go figure
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Uh... No. QuickTime can be seperated from it's "integrated player," as you put it. I've seen it as a part of more elaborate applications on Mac OS and Windows, and know on the Mac OS, there are players which people have written in RealBasic (more or less like Visual Basic), which basically hook into the QT libs, and there you go, a QuickTime player, as good as the "official" QT4 player, but with a standard interface.
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RealNetworks have proven themselves to be liars, thieves, spammers, and dirtballs. I couldn't care less what they come out with--I won't support them. Not now, not then.
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The thought of them working together makes me cringe.
.+n[ui]x environments than it is now.
I disagree. Having the option of a single tool to play both RealPlayer and QuickTime streams sounds like a good idea to me. Finally they'll stop fighting over who gets to be my default viewer for everything from MP3 to RLE to DVD!
Both players have awful user experiences, whether it's Quicktime's violating Apple's UI guidelines and asking you every day if you want to upgrade to Pro, or RealNetworks asking you, just one more time, what your connection speed and email address are, and asking if it's okay to contact you with exciting information.
All in all though, it's easier to herd one cat than two, and just maybe Quicktime will be better implemented in
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Why is it that I can never seem to reproduce these problems that supposedly make Quicktime this horrible POS myself? Bust be the kryptonite I keep on my keychain.
.mov that it doesn't know
>What genius decided to have the player "silently
>fail" if you launch a
>how to play? (it just brings up a bar -- and
>waits). But if you do a File->Open, then it will
>say that it doesn't have the CODEC.
Dunno what you're smokin. I've NEVER had this happen. When I try to launch a movie for which QT doesn't have the CODEC, it just tells me. No "bar" ever appears.
>Probably the same geniuses that have it scream at
>me to upgrade "now or later" everytime I run it.
1) Open your "Date & Time" control panel.
2) Set the date ahead a few years.
3) Close control panel
4) Launch Quicktime Movie Player
5) Click on "Register Later"
6) Go back to "Date & Time" and reset the year.
7) Now you won't see the banner for a few years at least.
>Or possibly the same Einsteins that make wacky
>controls that are totally different from every
>other Windows application. Isn't it in the Apple
>style guide that, above all, everything should
>work consistently?
1) Go to Raul's GUI goodies @:
http://www.teamdraw.com/raul/stuff/stuff.html
2) Download and install the fix
3) do the same for Sherlock II as well, if you don't like the new look.
OR
1) Grab a copy of the Quicktime Movie Player ver. 3
2) Replace Movie Player ver. 4, with ver. 3
3) The Movieplayer 3 has access to all of Quicktime 4's APIs and CODECs, but has the look and feel of the original.
For crying out loud! These have been common knowledge forever!!! I think it took all of a week of outrage over the new look (admittedly bad) before people started figuring out the first workarounds.
>I really like how it dumps garbage in the first
>frame from whatever was previously in the video
>buffer. Hmmm; no other application does that, why
>does Quicktime player?
Once again, never had that happen to me.
>the icons that make absolutely no
>intuitive sense,
Hm... considering that the "Play" button on Movieplayer looks just like the "Play" button on my VCR.....
john
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What does that all mean? It means QT on linux almost guarenteed (why wouldnt apple want that market?)
Also, i remember reading a few years back that Quicktime for windows is an almost complete port of the mac os. I do not recall to what extent it was, or the validity of my memory, but its food for thought...certainly would be a huge engeneering effort(as i recall, QT uses allmost all macOS toolbox api's)
I dont know if anyone reading this has seen it, but the new UI for quicktime on osX is way better then its current incarnation. You can see it here
As far as Apple liscensing[sp] QT pieces, its a win win i think. If MS really just got windows media player support, then it seems like the right thing to do to be in that camp as well.
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The CDDB linkage always makes me nervous. I've been recording a LOT of my vinyl collection to WAV and burning CD Audio disks. Every time I bring up the CD Player in W2K it asks (or it used to ask, before I went in and disabled it from doing so) if I wanted to look up the CD title. Obviously letting it do that would either:
1. Come up not knowing what CD I am playing
or
2. Summon down the enforcers on my townhouse. They'd discover I've dared lace together a network of boxes including the dastardly Linux and NetBSD, and they'd *sob* take away my Microsoft Preferred Customer status. They might even tell Apple one of their poor little SE/30's was being held hostage by NetBSD-68K.
Since I'm doing an analog-to-digital conversion, what I am doing is perfectly legal even if CD Ripping is found illegal at some point. But it still makes me nervous, and wondering if my identity would go on a list for further action.
Clean yes, but is it released under GPL?
With M$ pouring in BIG BUCKS into its own, even more proprietary, whinedoze only software, they are probably rather concerned.
Lets face it, it wouldn't be a big deal for M$ to engulf them. They simply make their software free (done already), spend millions on it, and try to make it attractive to content providers.
You'd think M$ would be on their best behavour these days..
Anyway, what this does is give real player larger market share, and the ability to compete with M$, who seem to be developing quickly, in an effort to take over. This is a smart move on real's part - M$ seems to have been catching up.
Think of the evilness of the M$ plan - the only way to access media is through whinedoze... another good reason to split them up (although I still think it should have a seperate internet section).
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1. launch a program that allows you to monitor your streams. On the Mac you can use OTSessionWatcher.
2. click on the link, then it will launch the quicktime player.. you can stop before the streaming is done if you want..
3. Go back in OTSessionWatcher and search for ".mov".. it'll find the location of the actual file for you.. sometimes if it uses Akamai the URLs are multiple lines long so you have to clean them up a bit. copy the URL
4. Launch Anarchie or any other good FTP program, do an HTTP GET on the URL you just copied, and that's it.. it should start downloading.
hope this helps
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RealPlayer has been known for several things, like having the #1 hardest to download free software on the net. This will just add to something that will put them in the #1 spot for serving streaming applications. Apple probably got a great deal of money for this, and RealPlayer ended up getting a great deal, the support is pretty much free for them as far as client-side goes. For the server-side support, they'll probably just have to deal with people in a similar manner they do with other types of streaming media.
All in all, I think Apple is relying on OS X server to offer the better support in the long run over RealPlayer, and they know that Real will focus on the PC market, something Apple probably doesn't want to mess with as far as server-side programming goes.
The result? Quicktime format will be more widespread giving Apple a better position for their free client software, and ensuring that there will always be people buying Quicktime Pro to make movies..
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You know, every time I end up with an unplayable quicktime movie, I let loose my dismayed cry: "Sorenson!"
Why, it's becoming almost as recognizable as Seinfeld's "Newman!"
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> What does that all mean? It means QT on linux almost guarenteed
LOL
> (why wouldnt apple want that market?)
I wish I knew, but all indications thus far seem to show that they are working to distance themselves from Linux...
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This may be a little off topic but I need to get it off my chest. The internet was started so that computers running a variety of operating systems on a variety of hardware could all communicate with some standard languages. The idea of being able to sit down at any machine and perform work on a remote computer regardless of the computer make and model was ingenious. As long as a computer could talk acording to an open standard language then it could be included on the network.
Now it appears as thought companies don't really care about the long-term goals (which really are not just fantasies, we've already have all the basic technology for an open network system) of the internet. They just don't know how to make money releasing open specifications of their protocols and formats. On the internet any information which is available should not be in a format which can only be read on systems which have been deemed profitable enough to warrant development.
I believe if you want to make a new format for distribution on the internet you should be forced to open the specs up. This is what the internet was based on, this is why it caught on, this is what will continue to help it grow.
I saw a quote a few days ago, I don't remember where or who, that got across the idea that if something on the internet appears differently in Internet Explorer than it does in Navigator (or is not availiable on a certain platform) then we have taken a step backwards.
I guess I'm just annoyed that I don't have a good Quicktime viewer for Linux, or that I sometime see sites which say I need to install shockwave to view them. In the long run I think technologies such as XML, CSS (and XSL), javascript (EA???..insert Standard name for javascript here, or something like it ) and other open standard protocols and formats are what will expand the internet to the point where it fulfills the vision people have for it.
From the looks of this, realSERVER 8.0 will allow the SERVING of quicktime files. It dosen't mention anything (at least not specifcally) about realplayer being able to play quicktime movies. This means we still will not be able to view quicktime 4 movies under linux.
As for quicktime serving, The quicktime server software is already available for free for linux, and from what I've heard from people who've run real server, real server itself is a pain in the ass.
This however does not mean that you can encode from within linux. The encoding itself must be done on a macintosh (or possible windows, i'm not sure), due to the unavailability of the codecs for linux. I'm not sure how realserver handles the encoding, but this could bring qt encoding to other platforms.
Didn't I read a few months ago that Real also licensed Windows Media for their servers as well? I suppose more companies will be buying real server.
I suppose we'll have to see how this turns out, but I think it's basically going to expand an already too big streaming company.
Since when was Real non-proprietary? You can't get Real's codec without their "integrated player." QuickTime is the same way.
So now instead of just one source for a single-purpose, doesn't-fit-in-with-the-rest-of-the-system media player, you now have two. I suppose this is an improvement, but it's slight at best.
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