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Yahoo Will Use Google Instead Of Inktomi
Yoje writes: "Someone's probably already submitted this, but it looks like sometime
in the
next 30 days Yahoo! will switch from inktomi to Google for
search requests. More attention for Google is always good. :)" I'm not sure Google strictly needs attention, but capsteve and others pointed out Google's own press release which says Google has now indexed over a billion pages. (Note: around half of these are not fully indexed.)
Is Google really better than Inktomi? Or are a bunch of folks just praising Google because it is linux based and Inktomi is not?
Right now Inktomi serves up more queries per day for just Yahoo than Google serves up in a day for all customers. And they still have the horsepower to serve several other big sites, like AOL.
Let's let it run for a while, but like several analysts have said - don't be surprised if Yahoo goes back to Inktomi because Google breaks under the load.
And if you think this move was based purely on technology, dream on. Google and Yahoo happen to both have the same guy on their board of directors. Don't be surprised if Yahoo even just buys Google at some point. I just hope that Google can take it.
Just as Inktomi sells their search engine and directory (ie, yahoo-esque) engine services seperately, i'm sure google does exactly the same.
No problem there, then.
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From waht I understood, Google has sets of more trustworthy pages and less trustworthy ones.
A trustworthy page is one linked to by many trustworthy pages or a page that the Google designers found interesting.
Thus to get high relevancy, spamlinkers would have to be linked from trustworthy pages. Of course, if a page links to spam, then it is not so trustworthy.
I hope Google has a way to continously reevaluate the value of pages.
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There are lists of the other specialized searches here.
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Yahoo needs google because it isn't a search engine. It's an index, maintained by human editors. They sell it as "the best of both worlds". You get human-filtered stuff in yahoo, but if you want something so recent that it hasn't made it through the editorial pipeline, or something so utterly obscure as to not warrant its own category, you can use google.
In hotbot's case "powered by Lycos" basically means "owned by Lycos".
The only thing that bothers me is: what's to keep them from catering to specific commercial interests?
I think the people at Google understand very clearly that while their money comes from the advertisers, they only have advertisers because of their users. They don't want to piss off their users, and they understand that the key to keeping users is to provide the best results, with no BS.
In fact, they put pretty big restrictions on their advertisers. Ever notice how the ads are really small text-only ads, that are related to your query? If an advertiser doesn't like the restrictions, it's easy to get another advertiser. It's hard to replace a million pissed off users.
Actually, Lycos has dropped their original search technology, and moved to using the Fast engine (read the press release.)
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I must say. I really enjoy using google. I really really do. No advertising. pure search.
Hmm. So now yahoo isn't even a 'search' engine anymore.... they are just an index.
Hmm. Today Inktomi announced they will provide search services for Corporate Yahoo [I'd put a link there, but my nslookup seems to not be finding it].
It's agreements like this that keep Google from having to place ads on their search page. Hopefully they didn't sign an agreement not to compete with Yahoo!
The interesting thing is that this provides incentives not to link to other sites, and to spread your content between several machines.
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Does this mean that they will create customizable personal web-search ehgines called "Mininktomies"? Sorry bad pun
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While debugging an Apache build with a coworker I used Google to look for a certain bug. And, as expected the first few hits contained what we needed. Later said coworker referred to this as the "Google trick" I showed her. (??) Don't know what part of it was a trick. It's just a search engine like the rest. Just happens to be very good
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hotbot is also owned by lycos, so it's pretty reasonable that they share technology.
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Actually the answer to how Goggle makes money is more interesting than ads.
It's good old business2business relationships.
They are currently in the process of stealing Inktomi's business - the people who supply the data for the searches on most of the major portals.
Firstly they won Netscape's portal, and now they have Yahoo.
Google have turned from plucky underdog to the rulers of the scene in a matter of a year.
Unfortunatly, Google still returns several of my archived /. posts with the linked .sig before the actual page on CDROM RAID. Thankfully my sig changed, so there won't be too many more interfering entries, but still!
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I actually really like Google's caching features. Quite a few times, I've found a page that will tell me exactly what I want, only to find that it no longer exists, access denied, etc. If google has it cached, then no problems for me. I can't really see people using the caching feature at any other time.
the display the user sees will still be a Yahoo-formatted page, with Google search results but Yahoo-managed banner ads, hyperlinks, and other decorations. I'm more interested in what Yahoo does to link the banner ads with the search terms or search results, though perhaps Google also gets to sell that information to advertisers or information aggregators, even though they're not providing the banner ad themselves.
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Yeah, my problem is, I only have so much web bar-space.... I like the fact that this doesn't take up any room....
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I notice a pattern of people and search engines. Those that use hotmail as their e-mail use yahoo as their search engine. Those who use POP3 use altavista or google. I had a public speaking teacher that wanted us to visit a website. She was too dumb to give us the address, so she said, "Go to a search engine and type in blah blah blah....." I couldn't find it using AV or google. But when I typed it into Yahoo, it was in the first page.
The point of this is that some people are too dumb to write down URL's. They depend on search engines to find a site again. If they site changes, people might become confused.
To search for really common words that google would otherwise skip, use a plus (+) sign. In your example, enter "+I love you" as the search term. Likewise for the words 'a', 'to', 'of', etc.
new sites will never become popular, since they aren't linked to by the highly-rated ones.
We already have a dose of that with the Bow Tie theory of the web.
I wonder what effect Google/Yahoo will have on Spamdexing "industry" ? Rather than stuffing <meta> tags, will the lexicographic whores turn to setting up "stooge pages" with loads of links to their favoured targets.
A large auto-generated farm of stooges could carry a lot of "relevant" text on a particular subject, and links to the target pages. It's almost impossible for Google to detect wordlist drivel from real sites (that's nigh-on a Turing Test). As storage space is cheap, and bandwidth needed would be minimal, the spamdexers could afford a large collection of these.
I think google's slip into commercialism is inevitable, but by the time that happens there might be another slick clean engine to use. =)
They aren't replacing Yahoo with Google searches as some people think, they're probably replacing the 'search engine' portion of yahoo (once powered by AltaVista, in fact) that comes up if you explicitly ask for it or automatically if the regular yahoo search yeilds no hits.
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In today's "go! go! go!" Internet boom, we seldom take time to appreciate what we have done so far.
1 billon. 1 thousand million. 1x10^9. That's the population of China. That's 1/6 the population of the world. If you presume the web was really born on January 1, 1990 (I don't know the exact date, but this is close enough), 261,096 pages were put up per day on average. Impressive.
According to this Inktomi has "more than 80 customers". Their current market cap is "Fifteen Biiiillion Dollars" [Dr. Evil]
80 customers and a market cap that ends in a B. This new economy scares me!
For those complaning about Altavista's and other's portals, there's a nice little solution. If you use IE 5 and windows, that is. I'm sure there's something similiar for other browsers/OSes. The quick search accessory from ms. You get it as part of the Web Accesories Pack. It lets you type "ly search for this" in the address bar which searches lycos for "search" "for" "this". Or type "av thiscompany -host:thiscompany.com" to do a custom Altavista search. You can even "teach" it to use engines it doesn't have built in, like google. I love it.
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> "scruntous"? Define please.
What do you mean? It's a perfectly cromulent word.
Whaddya mean? I sure didn't have any trouble.
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I love Google (now GigaGoogle (try saying that five times fast)), but I really wish it had better syntax. It supports ANDs, AND NOTs, and phrases, and that's it. No ORs or XORs, and certainly no NEARs or searching by date. I used to use AltaVista before they turned into a portal, but now I can't stand it. So I use Google because it's fast and gives relevant results, but most importantly because it doesn't tell me what the Dodgers score was, or which town in Texas was the host of the most recent gun-nut massacre. I still wish it was a little less primitive, though.
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What I'm wondering is how this will impact Yahoo's use of the open directory. Currently Google uses the open directory in their search results, and you can visit it at directory.google.com, and now Yahoo's using Google's search results? How many of these search results are going to be coming from The Open Directory, or at least spidered due to the work of the volunteers at the ODP? In some warped way Yahoo may have the largest index again.
So either Google really is catching up, or Michael needs to change his formula.
I'd say the most important factor in Google.com's growth is the fact that if you enter "Farting Sounds" as your search term, you get my web page as both the second AND third results.
Over a billion pages... and two of the top three "farting sounds" pages are mine.
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Perhaps this is just slightly OT, but one of the things I really like about Google is their Linux-specific search engine!
:)
They always seem to turn up Linux stuff anyway - sometimes I wonder if rpmfind.net alone accounts for 75% of their 1 billion pages.
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While I love google, and use it for all my searches, a little voice in the back of my head tells me to be worried. Google rates sites based on how many other sites link to them (and how many other sites link to those sites). So, let's say I decide to create a page about the very tasty fish Red Snapper. I'll probably include a section of links to other Red Snapper pages, which I will find using Google. As more and more people create pages with links they found on Google, the set of pages that were popular when Google started get higher and higher ratings, until there is just an incestuous web of interlinking, highly-rated sites.
If everyone uses Google-like search engines, new sites will never become popular, since they aren't linked to by the highly-rated ones. The result will be a fairly static set of pages returned by search results, with an impossible barrier for new sites.
Maybe google can do something to give the new sites a chance (Give extra points to pages created in the last month, or something).
On the other hand, it was becoming clear to me that some of the newer search engines, especially Google, were beginning to do a hideously good job of indexing things in a most-un-Yahooly way. Well, not completely un-Yahooly; Google is fast and simple, too. And people really like that, even if they miss that hierarchical, home-made feel.
Now, I understand that the current agreement is for Yahoo to provide Google results for searches it doesn't do anything useful with, but I would be a bit surprised if they didn't adopt the technology more widely to crunch through the Web, which can really no longer be lovingly indexed by hand. And I predict that people will learn to like it, which is something I would not have predicted a year ago.
But the end result will probably be the same: Yahoo will still make lots of money, while very few other outfits will. And the reason will probably be the same: Yahoo provides what people really want.
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it seems funny to me that all of these supposed 'search engines' are all using other 'search engines' to do the work for them
used to be you had yahoo, hotbot, altavista, lycos, etc. -- now yahoo is going to be 'powered by' google, and hotbot is 'powered by' lycos, and altavista still returns pictures of santa claus when you do a search on "caffeine free diet coke"
you know - i'll bet if you look into this far enough it probably all links back to one guy who stays up all night answering queries.
guy: "jesus another search for 'caffeine free diet coke' - wtf...let's see how he reacts when i return links to pictures of santa claus!"
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Google still can't find my car keys.
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So far, it seems that Google hasn't fallen into a commercialist trap - they've generally kept everything clean and unbiased, and they turn up darn good results. (Heck, I got a Google t-shirt for Father's Day, and I'll proudly wear it.)
The only thing that bothers me is: what's to keep them from catering to specific commercial interests? How long is it before it becomes YASE (Yet Another Search Engine) that favors some commercial hits above any others? I sure hope there are some people up top at Google who push fairness. Of course, when those people go away, what's left to do that work? Have they forced themselves into a process that will do it for them?
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