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Senate Judiciary Committee On Digital Music

An unnamed correspondent writes: "The Washington Post has a story about the Senate Judiciary Committee meeting on the future of digital music at [this link]. Real Video's available from [The Washington Post] or on CSPAN. (I'd recommend using the CSPAN link, it appears to work better). Witnesses include Lars Ulrich of Metallica; Roger McGuinn of The Byrds; Hank Berry, CEO of Napster; Michael Robertson, Chairman and CEO of MP3.com; Fred Ehrlich, President of New Technology, Sony Music Entertainment; Gene Hoffman, Jr., Founder, CEO and President, Emusic.com; Gene Kan, Gnutella developer and Infrasearch founder; Jim Griffin, Founder and CEO, Cherry Lane Music. (A hard copy of their planned statements can be found at [the U.S. Senate Web site]." Of course, whether this is an issue that ought to be handled politically rather than in the marketplace is a question I hope the witnesses get around to in their spare moments.

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  1. Big Rant by tunesmith · · Score: 4
    I've been reviewing the articles that refer to the congress meeting. One of them on abcnews.com said, "Drummer Lars Ulrich of the heavy metal band Metallica condemned online song-swapping entities such as Napster Inc. and MP3.com for giving away other's music." Other sites have referred to Napster and MP3.com in same breath without referring to Lars.

    Just how many morons are there in the media? This is more than annoying, it gets kind of dangerous to know that this kind of misinformation is being propagated.

    MP3.Com at least made an effort to protect artist's rights. Their regular mp3.com service doesn't even have anything to do with established contract-bound artists, and everyone in the know is familiar with their security strategy at my.mp3.com, which you have to admit was pretty effective. The security criticism was about how it was easy to give a friend your cds and have them put it in their accounts. But the lawsuit didn't have anything to do with piracy. The stupid thing about the lawsuit was that if the users had actually uploaded the tracks rather than uploading proof, the whole thing would have been legal. The whole thing only hinged on a technicality. my.mp3.com is an example of something that followed the spirit of the law, but not the letter.

    Napster, however, is the opposite. Their whole defense strategy can be put in the "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" category. "Oh, we just have a technology that enables people to do something illegal. We're not doing it OURSELVES." They write a utility whose express purpose is to enable this, and then put on a disclaimer saying they don't condone it. Uh, bullshit? And finding undiscovered music through it? Please. You search off of artist name and title. Yeah, you can browse other tracks in a person's directory, but I'd love to see the comparitive percentage usage of that feature. They are following the letter of the law, and not the spirit.

    Their new strategy of arguing copyrights might work, but it still doesn't help ultimately. Say they win, and there's a precedent that trading any record company's tracks for free are legal. What about the artist?? Are they just SOL? For those of lazy morality, Napster is cool because they are against the RIAA. But Napster is also against the artist, and ultimately, the consumer. Lazy consumers can convince themselves that going against the RIAA and going against the artist are the same thing, but they are very different. Using the service and hurting artists will eventually hurt the consumer. Using Napster to protest the RIAA is short-sighted and immature.

    For those interested in consumer rights versus just getting something for nothing, a real solution is to investigate the anti-competitive practices of the RIAA, and champion artists' rights. Don't defend your "right" to download and keep your free tracks from Napster and Gnutella. And be honest with yourself when you are telling yourself you are only downloading the tracks to see if you want to buy the album. How often have you rationalized this and then realized that the unpaid-for mp3s are still on your disk and playlist weeks later?

    Protest the RIAA. Throw away your Napster client. Show your support for micropayment solutions. Write your congressman, write your favorite artists. And to take a break, go to your local open-mic night and drop some coins into the tip jar. Being a responsible consumer doesn't mean figuring out how to get the most while costing yourself the least; damn the consequences. It means to do your part to protect the free economy. To be responsible consumers, it is OUR duty to know when our actions are damaging or constructive in the long run.

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  2. Re:Take this seriously, folks by |DaBuzz| · · Score: 4

    If you value your freedom--freedom to link and freedom to copy music for noncommercial purposes

    This is where people like yourself just don't get it. Back in the days before the Internet, high bandwidth and GHz computers, consumers did not have the ABILITY to distribute music like their commercial counterparts ... this is why making a tape for your friends never got ANYONE in this country arrested. It was no big threat simply due to the amount of tapes you could dub and distribute was so miniscule.

    Now fast forward to the year 2000 where kids in dorms have FATTER PIPES than many corporate sites and you have a serious problem. Regardless if you're sharing your /MP3 directory for "non-commercial" purposes, you are DISTRIBUTING at the level of a commercial enterprise.

    The dynamic has shifted from one guy bootlegging a few tapes for his buddies to people sharing hundreds of thousands of albums that can be downloaded in a matter of MINUTES by anyone in the free world. Non-commercial or not, the IMPACT is what matters ... or in the case of MP3's, perceived impact.

    Think of it this way ... if you take the NY Post into your local library and copy an article for your friend, are you breaking the law? Sure but not on any grand scope. Now take this SAME article, scan it and put it up on your Geocities account, then get it linked from /. ... are you breaking the law then? You're damn right you are, regardless if you intended for hundreds of thousands of people to utilize your illegal distribution of copyrighted material.

    This is why your argument for "non-commercial" duplication and distribution is deemed to fail, it's a brave new world out there were the individual has gained a tremendous amount of publishing power, more than anyone could have ever dreamed ... now it's time for folks to step up to the plate and realize that with this power comes accountability, regardless of your intent to be "non-commercial".

  3. More Fodder by jmorse · · Score: 4

    I can't wait for the inevitable campchaos cartoon about this one...the first 3 were hillarious....beer GOOD!

    On a serious note, I hope they talk to people other than artists, record execs, and software makers about this. It would lend a great deal of credibility if your average mullet-head Joe Schmoe came up to the mic and testified that he ended up buying the entire Selloutica collection (well, up until the black album anyway)after hearing Sanitarium.mp3 from some random site. But then, given congress' inclination toward corporate welfare, don't expect a balanced & representative set of speakers.

    I think the real issues here are twofold;

    1. Distribution channels:Record execs fear Napster, the internet and the MP3 format because it offers aspiring young artists a way to bypass the traditional music distribution & promotion channels. As such, musicians will have an alternative to selling their souls & signing all their rights away just to get recorded, promoted, and distributed. They will no longer be able to dictate what we should and shouldn't like. Just imagine; no more Britney Spears/Christina Aguilera/Backstreet Boys drivel being showered upon us by money-grubbing record execs. Maybe talent and creativity will actually count for something again!
    2. The recording industry isn't giving consumers what they want:Who the hell wants to spend $20 or more on a CD they've never heard before, which might contain songs that suck? I know, I know, artists often craft an album as a statement or single unit. And indeed, some of the best music I've ever heard (Rush, Queensryche, Ice Cube) fit into this model. But then, why does the record industry promote one song at a time? I think consumers would love to be able to (a) sample an entire album before buying the album and (b) buy only those songs he/she likes. Think about it; this would be a music marketer's wet dream! They would know exactly what soungs consumers like without having to pump all those marketing dollars into promotion.

    Some bands are starting to get this, and have (thankfully) put pressure on their management to adapt. It's not like we're going to be able to ban the MP3 format, eradicate Napster & Gnutella and their derivatives, or prosecute/sue everyone who does pirate a song. It's simply a change in the market that the record companies are going to have to deal with.

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  4. Take this seriously, folks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5

    Speaking as a person who was sued by the RIAA, spent 6 months of her life in fear, and lost tens of thousands of dollars in cash because of sharing MP3s files--a system which only a few people participated, hardly the level at which many music-swappers operate--I feel compelled to speak about this matter.

    The [record companies] v. Napster lawsuit has finally brought to light the significance of digital music to Congress. Billions of dollars are at stake here--a figure big enough to catch Congress' attention--and an entire sector of the economy will be impacted in ways that will shape the landscape of intellectual property policy for decades.

    You must get involved NOW while you still can, to push the tide of the law on our side rather than on the record companies'.

    If you value your freedom--freedom to link and freedom to copy music for noncommercial purposes--now is the time to write your senators and demand that any legal issues regarding non-commercial copying of music be settled once and for all. We continue to live in a legal grey area in which recording company lawyers, backed by tremendous wads of cash, have the ability to coerce people to concede to their demands to stop all activity involving music that does not involve paying them $16+ for a brand new CD or tying the listening of digital music to our fingerprints.

    While there is little doubt that linking should be made unequivocably legal, Congress could seriously limit our ability to share music--or even make backup copies--if we don't make clear our desires while their ears are open. Fight now, and fight hard! Make your opinions known, through phone call, letter or FAX.

    Don't let the RIAA run away with our rights!

    1. Re:Take this seriously, folks by ToLu+the+Happy+Furby · · Score: 5

      Think of it this way ... if you take the NY Post into your local library and copy an article for your friend, are you breaking the law? Sure but not on any grand scope. Now take this SAME article, scan it and put it up on your Geocities account, then get it linked from /. ... are you breaking the law then? You're damn right you are, regardless if you intended for hundreds of thousands of people to utilize your illegal distribution of copyrighted material.

      This is why your argument for "non-commercial" duplication and distribution is deemed to fail, it's a brave new world out there were the individual has gained a tremendous amount of publishing power, more than anyone could have ever dreamed ... now it's time for folks to step up to the plate and realize that with this power comes accountability, regardless of your intent to be "non-commercial".


      Luckily your argument is completely without any legal merit. According to the 1992 Audio Home Recording Act, any non-commercial sharing of music is in fact perfectly legal and not copyright infringement at all. The method, scale, or "impact" of the copying has nothing to do with it. Period. So long as there is no fee or other quid pro quo exchange, trading music on Napster is not infringement.

      What's more astonishing is how your argument is so completely...well, to be fair, so completely based on ethical norms which are opposite mine. You realize that the Internet has moved us into a "brave new world" of content distribution, where, amongst other things, music is no longer a scarce good (like, for example, a car) but a potentially nonscarce good (like air). According to any economic theory (especially free market Capitalism), goods only need to be controlled and sold for profit when they are scarce; once a good is ubiquitous, it ought to be freely available. It has nothing to do with how much the good is worth to someone--after all, air to breathe is undeniably worth more than any other possible good, but any economic system which suggested that air should be charged for would be both unconscionable and plain dumb.

      The fact that our technology has partially moved music from the scarce category to the ubiquitous category should be cause for celebration, not handwringing and worry. Napster and programs like it are providing a positive service for humanity (or at least that portion with Internet access), and so are those who, like the poster you responded to, choose to share their music with others.

      Yet you apparently don't see it this way at all. You view the "brave new world" the Internet has moved us all into, which allows everyone to (just in this example) share in all the world's musical art, as a negative to be handled with some extra-legal sense of "accountability"--which, by the tone of your post, apparently means "ignoring the possibilities inherent in the Internet".

      Perhaps you cling to this view out of the mistaken idea that non-commercial sharing of music is illegal (it isn't) or that Napster is somehow "stealing" money from musical artists (click here to find out who's really stealing money from artists). Maybe you somehow believe it would be a bad thing if the record labels had to undergo actual competition to their monopoly-abusing business model; but even there you would be misinformed, because not only are both CD sales and the outrageous average selling price of CD's up for the past year, but studies show that most Napster users buy more CD's after Napster than they did before, and that their use of Napster is primarily as a sampling tool to try out songs before they commit to buying an album. (This is covered under the fair use doctrine of copyright law, BTW.)

      I don't know. But I'm choosing to believe that you're simply misinformed or haven't thought the issues through completely rather than that you're against people being able to listen to more music, against economic progress through new technologies, or are just a record company shill.

      So get informed: Napster's legal brief (PDF file) is a wonderful place to start. Of course, many people do disagree on this issue; still, I'd request that you at least read the brief through before making up your mind.

  5. I'll take a stab at that... by Mathonwy · · Score: 5

    Napster stands for nothing that Slashdot does, but because they give music away free (as in beer, but not in speech) everyone loves them. Anyone care to explain?

    I'll take a stab at explaining... Or at least why *I* would rather see Napster win than RIAA:

    Part of it, of course, is my [probably over simplistic] ideology as a programmer. The guys at napster and gnutella each came up with a neat idea, and translated it into program code. It was never originally intended to be malicious, or to cause harm to anyone or any individual. IMHO, acts of creativity that are not inherrantly malicious should not be made illegal.

    And as for the point that Napster is a corperate entity, and profits from people using it, my general reaction is "so what?". So they've managed to find a way to offer a service for free, and profit themselves in the process. So has Yahoo, along with most search engines. So have a lot of websites. (Slashdot included, I believe). The fact that someone profits from something does not, in my mind, immedietly make it evil.

    I hope Napster wins this one, because if it doesn't, it will set what is in my mind a VERY dangerous precedent. Consider: Napster is not specifically designed to pirate, it is simply designed to move .mp3 files around from user to user. There are pleanty of .mp3 files out there that are NOT copywrited, or are public domain. Yes, Napster can be used as a tool for piracy, but as has often been pointed out, nearly ANYTHING could be used as a tool for something bad. Telnet can be used to hack systems. Compilers can be used to write viruses. Ecetera, ad nausium. The point is, you can't (well, shouldn't, in my mind) outlaw something, because it MIGHT be used by someone bad to do something bad.

    If RIAA wins and shuts down Napster, then all they will have done is cured a symptom, not a disease. The problem is the people. If they want to pirate things, they will. Using whatever tools they find most convienent. Napster is under fire because at the moment, it is an extremely convienent tool. If you remove Napster, then all that you will accomplish is to remove one outlet, and force people to move to a different one. And if you continue the precedent of outlawing anything that could be used in a criminal activity, then before too long, we'll all end up living in a world of Nerf, programming in BASIC.

  6. Down the Hatch... by Malk-a-mite · · Score: 5
    The senator seems impressed with Metallica's music after downloading it off the net.

    Funny bit is, he did the same thing we've all been doing. Finding a group you wouldn't normally listen to a hearing what they sound like.

    In a sad way he proved what some of us have been saying but didn't even notice it.

    Malk-a-mite

  7. How the times change... by Raunchola · · Score: 5

    Back in 1997, Metallica had a chat on MSN. There, someone asked the band what their thoughts were on the fact that their songs were being distributed on the Internet. According to Kirk Hammett, "We don't give a fuck!"

    You know, I honestly wonder why Metallica is going against MP3s now...[ insert conspiracy theory here ]

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  8. Re:there is no such thing as a balanced view by Steve+B · · Score: 5
    Could it possibly be that copying someone else's work without there permission is actually WRONG while at the same time recognizing that the RIAA are in fact scum?

    Copying work without permission is illegal and wrong in many cases -- but there are certain legitimate types of fair-use copying such as archival backup, translation of purchased work to another data format, sampling for review, study, and parody, etc.

    The law should enforce access to these particular exceptions every bit as strongly as it enforces copyright; and the penalties for cutting off the former should be no less severe than the penalties for infringing upon the latter. The purpose of legitimate law is to protect the rights of all concerned parties -- when someone is made an outlaw in the traditional sense (a person excluded from the protection of the law), he has every reason to become an outlaw in the modern colloquial sense (someone who regards the law with contempt and commits crimes whenever he thinks he can profit from it and get away with it).
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  9. What Congress should hear -- by R. Heinlein by Convergence · · Score: 5

    Whenever I hear one of these discussions, I cannot help but remember this quote.

    "There has grown up in the minds of certain groups in this country the notion that because a man or a corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary public interest. This strange doctrine is not supported by statute nor common law. Neither individuals nor corporations have any right to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped, or turned back, for their private benefit. That is all." -- Robert A. Heinlein ("Life-Line")

  10. IP == Intellectual Property by tj8 · · Score: 4

    Did anyone else catch that one Senator refer to IP addresses as "Intellectual Property" addresses (LOL), then go on to surmise that music pirates could be fingered through these same "IP" addresses. These people are running our country?

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  11. Artists Organize by __aapbgd5977 · · Score: 5
    One person pointed out that all the players were there, the artists, the corps and the web guys. His point was no consumer organizations, granted.

    What was more interesting is that the artists have organized. This gives the Courtney Loves and Sheryl Crows (and yes, the Metallicas) a group to work with that isn't the RIAA.

    Essentially, to this point it's been:

    • RIAA to Napster: Die!
    • Napster to RIAA, in response: No, you die!
    Now the artists fly in from off the turnbuckle and scream "You both die!"

    I think the artists are probably the most level-headed people in this whole debate, and certainly have a lot to add. I'm glad they're organized now.
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  12. Where are consumer advocates ?? by blakestah · · Score: 5

    They are selectively choosing the copyright holders and corporate web entities for their discussions.

    What they missed were people who've done research on the history and meaning of copyright law in the US. People like RMS writing or Harvard law professor Lawrence Lessig. It is critical that the Congress hear from people who actually consider the intent of copyright law (hint - it is not only about making money from one's authorship).

    Copyright is intended to pass into public domain after a limited period of monopolism of SOME rights. It is entirely unclear that we SHOULD or CAN enforce draconian copyright laws in cyberspace.

  13. Great stuff in these testimonies by burris · · Score: 4
    Roger McGuinn: says that aside from modest advances from recording, he never received a penny from royalties from the record companies, even for a gold album (500,000 copies). The only benefit he ever saw from the record companies was the promotion made his live performances popular and that is the sole way he has supported himself. With MP3.com he has made thousands of dollars. In other words: the record companies fucked him over and got rich at his expense but MP3.com was fair and he actually made money.

    Mr. McGuinn's very short and to the point testimony can be found here.

    Burris

  14. Uh. All The Players? by Seumas · · Score: 5
    We have the corporate players. We have some musicians. We have some web guys. Um. I don't see any consumers? Consumer advocates?

    Oh well, it could be worse. At least we don't have actors from Hollywood getting involved like they do in everything else. "I once played a musician in a movie and am thus qualified to provide professional commentary to this committee on the subject at hand."

    Once it hits congress, it's all down hill from here.
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  15. I'm sorry, back the boat up.... by Malk-a-mite · · Score: 5
    Talking about the MI2 soundtrack song:
    "We traced the source of this leak to a corporation called Napster." - Lars

    Want to try that again there little drummer boy?

    I believe the leak would be traced back to someone who had access to the demo tapes!

    Unless the claim is that the employee's of Napster were sneaking in at night to your studio and stealing the tapes while you slept.

    Malk-a-mite