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USPS To Offer Free E-Mail

RobHornick writes: "Supposedly, the US Postal Service is going to begin offering free e-mail addresses to all 120 million of the nation's residential addresses. MSNBC thinks it could be 'the most efficient spam delivery tool ever created.' I don't know, but their business model certainly seems like it would be selling the addresses to mass-marketers, who probably wouldn't mind not having to pay 33 cents per letter." I love programs run by the government the signing up for which "would be strictly voluntary." But don't worry about the security of that data or any privacy implications: Deputy Postmaster General John Nolan says "We'll be as secure, or more secure, than other sites in terms of the privacy people can expect from us."

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  1. Re:Sure, why not! by thesparkle · · Score: 4

    Couple of years ago in Chicago a group of nine postal workers were caught after running thousand of pounds of mail through a clearing house where they were pillfered and dumped.

    Specifically, they were looking for correspondence between migrant workers here in the US and their families in Mexico and Central America. Seems these workers had a habit of putting cash in their letters home for their families and there was a large enough concentration of migrants in Chicago to make this profitable. When they were caught, they had a three bedroom apartment full to the ceiling with missing mail.

    A similar case happened in Florida around the same time.

    My father in law works for the postal service so I hear these sort of stories often. However, considering the amount of mail delivered and the regular level of service this organization maintains, they actually do a pretty good job. Far better than their counterparts in other countries.
    .33 will send a message to anyone in the US in less than a week. Pretty good, really.

    As for millions of Americans gaining access to email, there are more free internet services out there than ever before; many people do not have email addresses because they choose not to or do not see a need for it. The postal service wants to enter another market just like they did in the overnight delivery service. They just take a little longer to get mobilized.

  2. Follow the: money, bullets, and trees by c.jaeger · · Score: 4
    The article states...
    Experts estimate the Postal Service stands to lose $17 billion a year by 2008 to e-mail and online bill payment -- a figure equivalent to one-quarter of its annual income.
    A better statement would be to say that, "...email and online bill payment stands to reduce the unneeded expense of USPS growth by one-third. The added benefit is that the virtual email post offices never close, unlike the 9-5 windows at your local branch."

    As an online bill payment type person, I'm probably posting about 5-8 fewer letters each month because Visa automatic drafts my checking account to pay my Visa credit card. And I also have already setup my Visa so that it pays all my utilities, rent, loans, and purchases

    There is also a side-benefit in human lives saved. Fewer postal employees means a reduced population of psychos in the mail room which "go postal". ;)

    The tree huggers should also be happy since fewer customers will drive their SUV to queue up at the local post office to send stuff in the mail or buy stamps. Because the "experts" believe $17 billion isn't going towards additional mailbox fodder and the resources required to get it there. (stamps/envelopes/return address labels/jeeps/semis) that $17 billion can then be used to fund GreenPeace, The Sierra Club or Shave the Whales.

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  3. OH GOD YES! by BlueCalx- · · Score: 5

    I LOVE THIS IDEA! There's nothing like the possibility of having an email address like:

    303_north_seminary_avenue_park_ridge_il_60068-3048 @usps.gov

    Finally, all my dreams of owning an email address have come true!

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  4. One bit of good to come of this by / · · Score: 4

    Maybe having the PostOffice offering email services will hasten the modernization of privacy doctrine and Fourth Amendment jurisprudence to cover email as well as it does paper documents, which is to say, not very well at the moment -- supoenas for 'mere evidence' that would've been categorically rejected centuries ago, fishing expeditions into people's computer hard drives, carte blanche for employers to read and divulge private correspondence, etc. Having the PostOffice involved should add something interesting to the constitutional pot.

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  5. We need postal DNS by Wellspring · · Score: 5

    OK, since this article is more than an hour old, I guess being moderated up is out of the question. So for those of you browsing low:

    First, this idea is silly and relatively useless. The private sector operates something similar and better. All the post office can add is a mechanism which other regulations will glom onto until it becomes your mandatory official email address-- a little like what has happened with Social Security numbers.

    Second, the post office has NO interest in stopping spam. For one thing, their paper-mail revenue stream isn't supported by those silly first-class stamps you've been buying. It is supported by third class 'business mail' aka junk mail. Good side: you get cheap postal mail. Bad side: you get a ream of banner ads in your mailbox every week.

    Third, the government's problem all along has been a weakness of adapting to innovation. They come up with this great paper plan, and five months into it, as circumstances change, the plan ends up solidifying. Within a year or two, the whole system is out of date. I've worked with government agencies and contractors in the past; this is how it has always gone.

    Finally, and most importantly, if the post office really wants to do something good, they should create a name server system for postal addresses. IE abstract the physical address away from the resident. So I just write "CmdrTaco, 80486DX" on the envelope, plop down a stamp, and it goes to Commander Taco, whereever his physical address might be . Do that, and right there you would only need one change of address card, and everyone who uses your EasyCode would automatically be updated. People who need a physical address can always still use that. You could update it over the web or at a post office if people are really worried about security.

    Sadly, the post office is doing what other people do just fine already, and not coming up with a way to stay relevent. Dare I wonder if we will soon even need a USPS?

  6. Ultamite terrorist tool by 11223 · · Score: 4
    There's a big problem with this - your email is now linked to who you are in meatspace! If I give out a usps email address, I give out my physical address - which is my name, my phone number, and my social security number, for those with access to databases. Add to that l33t kiddies - what happens if one of them decides to harras you? Expect mail bombs. Expect phone calls at 1am. Expect stolen identity.

    This ought to be illegal, on the grounds that it's the greatest breach of privacy ever concieved.

  7. This wouldn't be all bad. by Amphigory · · Score: 4
    The one thing I'm interested in is that, apparently, they are planning to let you to send an email to an address, which they will then print and hand-deliver to the addressee. For me, this would be really nice -- my wifes grandparents and I enjoy a regular correspondence -- a correspondence that would be much more regular if I could email instead of snail-mail. The chances of them ever getting a computer are virtually nil, so this is the best that could probably be hoped for.

    This could also be good for business. It could essentially be used as a reliable stamping & stuffing operation with costs of only 8 cents per document. Ultimately, it could save a lot of gas and air-miles as things are sent electronically to the post office, then printer rather than send physically the whole way.

    Here's to hoping they don't come out with a fourth class version of this. The spam would then become extreme.

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  8. Don't be quick to judge... by Pollux · · Score: 5

    My father works for the USPS, and there's a few things I've learned about how mail advertisements work and how this e-mail system will work.

    The USPS will not be revealing ANY information in your usps.gov e-mail address. You will have the opportunity to choose what ID you want to use for your e-mail, although the ask that you use your name in some way rather than something like pornstar@usps.gov.

    Mail bombs? Early morning phone calls? How do you get that? If some Joe Smoe has some vandetta against you and he knows your e-mail address does NOT mean he's going to know your physical address. Look at his options:

    1) You set up your usps.gov mail to forward mail to some hotmail account. So you get e-mails. Darn. Delete them. That could happen with any e-mail account anyway.

    2) You receive in paper form all your usps.gov e-mail. It's going to cost him 41 cents per message. Why would he pay 41 cents to send you threatening? Even if he did, it's got a return address. Fake? Not likely, because he had to pay 41 cents to send that mail. Trust me, you'll have a way to trace him.

    3) Even if the letter is threatening, it's a federal offense to send threatening mail, and whoever sent the mail will have an identity. And the USPS has quite a large, nation-wide fraud center that is being equipped to deal with those kinds of issues.

    And, no matter how he sends it, whether from his computer or physically going to the post office to mail the message, he can't get anything more than your name from the post office. They aren't allowed by federal law to reveal any private information such as your phone #, SS#, etc.

    And if you're worried about spam, don't be. It costs about 21 cents per letter for advertisers to send you a two page message via snail mail (2 cents for the paper and envelope, 6 cents labor to print the form letter, stuff it, and print the envelope, and 13 cents for bulk-rate mailing), which is still quite cheaper than 41 cents to mail a two page message via USPS e-mail. And for credit card companies who have to mail all those pamphlets and forms in the message? It would take about 9 pages of e-mail ASCII text to reveal all the information they're required to disclose for a credit card application, which will cost them around, I believe, 60 cents, to send via USPS e-mail, much more than to send snail-mail.

    Oh, and for the highly paranoid, no one, neither businesses nor an everyday Joe Smoe, will just be able to walk into the USPS and say "Hey, I got this e-mail address of someone, could you please give me his name/snail address/phone number please?"

  9. So does this mean.... by Tebriel · · Score: 4

    that my email will now me bent, broken, bruised and battered as well as 3 days late?

    Quick! Sign me up!

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  10. Sure .... untill you move by taniwha · · Score: 4
    so how will forwarding address work?

    maybe it wil be more like:

    householder@303.north-seminary-avenue.park-ridge.i l-60068-3048.usps.gov

    with 'householder' replaced with your name for personal stuff ....

  11. And the performance to boot... by Mark+A.+Rhowe · · Score: 4
    Why the hell can't they concentrate on the one and only one reason they should even exist:
    Delivering a first-class letter within 1-2 days.
    Leave the package delivery, the stamp collection promotion, the money order sales, the bicycle racing team sponsorship, and now friggin' eMail, to the entities that are damn well suited to handle these things

    Then, and only then, will we see efficiency in this government organization.

    1. Re:And the performance to boot... by kspencer · · Score: 4

      Simple, really. A few years ago I lived in Limon, Colorado. Population about 2,000, and an hour and a half to anything resembling civilization. UPS, FedEx, and the like would deliver there, but pickups cost extra. The nearest office was in Denver - that hour and a half I just mentioned. The USPS is required to maintain a presence, regular pickup, and regular delivery service to towns like Limon, which meant I paid no more for that service than somebody in Seattle.

      Now, that's probably one of the sources of inefficiency, that need to have deliver and pickup service even where it's an income loser. But given the choice between the government and, say Microsoft or IBM, well, at least I have a chance of getting through the government's layers of paperwork and obfuscation.

  12. Re:government programs by seanson22 · · Score: 4

    Actually, it really is a gov't organization. Destroying a mail box is a federal crime, because it is considered federal property. Blowing up a mail box is categorized as an act of terrorism (use of explosives in destruction of federal property). You cannot refuse the service of the USPS. Since their property is considered property of the federal government, I'd call them a government org.

  13. Postal Inspectors and Chain Mail by Booker · · Score: 5
    Hey... the Postal Inspectors are the guys who bust you for sending around chain letters (get-rich-quick stuff & pyramid schemes) - perhaps their jurisdiction will expand to email, as well, when they see their servers clog up with that crap...

    "Excuse me, sir? Did you send this spam? Please come with us..."

    That would make me happy. :-)

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  14. great, more stressed USPS employees by banky · · Score: 5

    So now the jargon will be "He's gone Postal Sysadmin".

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