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IBM "Linux Overview" Audiocast
Pahroza writes " Irving Wladawsky-Berger, Vice President, Technology & Strategy IBM Enterprise Systems Group, discusses IBM's overview of Linux.
The presentation will begin on August 8th, 2000, at 11:30 am EST, and will remain viewable afterwards." It's in Real or Windows Media Player - bleah.
It's in Real or Windows Media Player - bleah.
I think you said it right there. At least 1 of them runs under linux (though the company's morals are questionable at best).
Eh...
What do they think this is, television?
Put the frickin' slides up in HTML! Heck, make a transcript of the conversation!
Why would I want to watch and listen to this when I could read or skim it?
Forget Publius, we need a speech-to-text server to translate RealAudio and Windows Media content. Taking snapshots of the video occasionally as jpegs would be nice too.
Or, barring that, we need some major web designers with half a clue. But I think that's even less likely to happen.
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The fact that it's in Real format doesn't bother me -- I've got trplayer :) What DOES tick me off is the genius
that made the hyperlinks with Javascript instead of a good old A HREF. Bad web monkey -- no cookie for you!
Fuck Slashdot
I'm on the Win2K side of my machine right now, so I think I'll use Windows Media player. I find it cleaner anyway, and I don't want every clip I view to be sent to Real (that's all I needed, IBM ads in my RealPlayer in Linux).
- I don't care if they globalize against free speech. All my best free thoughts are done in my head.
http://www.geocities.com/asfrecorder/index.html can capture/rip asf/asx streams. Comes with source, CLI version should compile on Linux I think :)
> It's in Real or Windows Media Player - bleah.
Okay, we've got a decent audio-streamer in Icecast, anyone working an Open Souce alternative to Real? That is both server & player though I'd like to see cross client compatibility like Icecast has...
Sorry for the Off Topic post, but it seems everything that matters to us like this bit of IBM news or a Linus interview is being broadcast in Real and nothing appears to be in the works to rectify that... Naturally, we'd have to convince people like IBM to use the OS alternative, but then an OS client could just as well be written to accept Real streams, right?
Mike
It's a start atleast. In years past we would have never seen anything like this.
How long does it take for what was once a grassroots
movement to become a mainstream force?
How long till the world's fastest-growing operating system
becomes the world's most popular operating system?
How long can advocates of closed and proprietary
systems hold the forces of open standards at bay?
How long till your Grandmother is ordering her groceries
over the Web on a system based on Linux?
Maybe she already has.
Today, IBM Netfinity servers lead the industry with the largest selection of Intel processor-based servers that are certified and and supported to run Linux. Only IBM offers this breadth of support and commitment. Not HP, not Compaq. Not anyone.
Every current Netfinity server is able to run your choice of four Leading Linux distributions: Caldera Systems, Red Hat Inc., SuSE AG and TurboLinux. Included with an eligible server purchase, you get the unparalleled IBM Server Start Up Support for 90 days. And IBM supports Linux with a portfolio of key software for e-business, including WebSphere, Lotus Domino, DB2, and Tivoli. Plus a program that validates third-party software applications.
IBM Netfinity delivers the reliability of Linux in a server platform that grows with your business today. And tomorrow. To learn more, visit ibm.com/netfinity/linux
IBM
IBM has always been committed to maximum profitability for minimum costs. A supreme example of this was the AIX operating system, not only did we put very little time into developing it, we put even less time into training the customer support reps.
IBM is proud to announce our new vision for the future. We have already previewed some of this vision with the introduction of the multi-Linux s/390 configuration and the Linux watch. Keep an eye on IBM as we incorporate this free OS into more and more of our systems. What this means to investors is much higher profits as our R&D costs drop. We also expect to see a reducion in the amount of time and money we must expend on our customer support lines as we can now say "It's Linus's Fault."
Steven
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So I've got a bunch of ASF files on my HD--now what? Still no Windows Media Player for Linux.
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Heh. A conference on Linux that isn't Linux accessible. Cute...
Sometimes it seems like they get it, and other times they just leave you wondering...
DO NOT LEAVE IT IS NOT REAL
This guy generally has good things to say, and gives a well thought out talk. He has come down to the Austin site (IBM, where i work) and given some talks on IBM's Linux strategy to those of us involved in AIX and others in the ESG. While many may critisize IBM for different reasons, they really have been putting real effort into linux.
(my comments are in no way representative to those of IBM's)
Hey Troll, this is yesterday's news. The newer versions of Netscape may have pieces of Mozilla in it, but that doesn't mean that your friendly neighborhood Netscape is Open Source. Secondly, this is a flaw in the Java Virtual Machine based on Sun's implimentation and if I remember, Java is not Open Source though there are OS clones. If you want to count eggs you'll find that most of the problems related to Open Source actually have to do with commercial and proprietory software and don't forget to count your open source blessings while browsing 64% of the internet - which seems to be an example of why Open Source _DOES_ work. While you're the type to point fingers at a little glich that you haven't even taken the time to find out exactly where the problem is coming from, others welcome this kind of input and use it to make a better product. While commercial interprises try to hide their faults (65,000+ in Windows 2000 - Another Example Why Closed Source Software Doesn't Work), typical Open Source projects are happy to post discovered bugs - why? Because that's how they get fixed. Sheesh... It is clear that the guy who discovered this loophole in Java is doing us a great favor by releasing the source code and informing the community as a whole of the problem. So thanks to Him.
Moderators - this is extremely off topic - please remove this thread altogether...
One of these was porting second teir applications for Linux to the S/390. I have two friends working at IBM this summer doing just that. Not only are these students getting to do an interesting senior project for a real world problem, they're also getting paid pretty nicely.
I used to have a fairly low opinion of IBM, but their recent actions have me rethinking. Not only are they interested in supporting a great OS, but they're doing good things in the education realm too.
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Actually, I have no problems with RealPlayer format. Its the sites that ONLY have Windows Media Player format.. uugghhhh...
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Caldera for a server? What's big blue thinking?
Oooooo, look at all the pretty pictures! Oooooooo
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http://speechbot.research.compaq.com/
/. a while ago... December 8th, 1999 is an impressive recall time for someone who has to check his driver's licence to see his birthday <G>
"SpeechBot is an experimental index of popular US radio shows, based on state-of-the-art speech recognition technology*. SpeechBot currently indexes 5423 hours of content from 5652 programs."
I remembered seeing it on
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Why can't I moderate something "Wrong" or at least "Grossly Misinformed"?
The commercial is along the same lines as this newspaper ad. The Captain from Deep Space 9 is the narrator. He says,"1991, Helsinki: A 21 year-old student named Linus Torvalds writes a new computer operating system. He calls it `Linux', then does something revolutionary -- he gives it away, free, over the Internet. The powers that be dismiss him as an eccentric -- a freak -- but everywhere coders and free thinkers embrace Linux, improve, and refine it. Now the forces of openness have a powerful and unexpected new ally."
Preventive War is like committing suicide for fear of death. - Otto Von Bismarck
I was refering to the fact that the Netscape vulnerability is a flaw in the Java VM which is the baby of Sun. Even if Netscape authored the VM they use, it's still a very close approximation of what Sun wants. In fact, just a straight Java VM can run this guy's code. I'm sure a little tweaking of the code will expose a similar problem in IE, but it's still largely a Java issue. Sorry if my wording was confusing. Secondly, (disclaimer - personal opinion) unless it's agreeable or comparible to other Open Source licenses like GPL and possibly (no flames) QPL it's not really Open Source. NDA's and restrictive proprietory licensing, IMHO, disqualifies it as Open Source. But then, that's strictly my personal opinion. The poster made a troll against Open Source that could easily be a symptom of popular opinion of the less informed and I tried to clear it up by indicating that Netscape and Java are not Open Source, and while the exploit is in Netscape, it's really a Java issue - fixable by turning off java. Hopefully the Netscape and Java guys are paying attention and publishes a fix. Most of the Linux/Netscape users I run across use Netscape with Java turned off, myself included. I feel with this vulnerability even more people will be turning Java off, but web-java is about useless and gimicky anyway (with few exceptions).
There's some really good stuff in here, especially in the Q and A section.
Perhaps most important part of Linux strategy:
- IBM believes Linux will do for applications what the Internet did for networking.
- providing a common set of interfaces that all application developoers can adapt that will facilitate the development of applications which can be deployed across a variety of platforms
- just like internet standards brought the internet together, Linux and linux standards are going to help develop lots of applications.
- Some of IBM's efforts around Linux apps, working with the community, using tools from IBM and the communiuty to allow a common Linux development platform to emerge.
- target is a world class application development environment.
- Since Linux interfaces can be provided on other platforms like AIX, it is a good development target.
- IBM has put together a Linux developers kit, thousands have been distributed.
- No charge for development use, includes full versions of WebSphere, DB2, Lotus Domino, Visual Age for Java, IBM Java tools, documentation, etc.
- Also a version for Japan.
More efforts around the world.
- A few weeks ago in Europe, announced a major ($200M) effort to assist application developers to port their apps to Linux.
- Development centers around europe with technical help, support, for application dev on IBM servers.
- Software and server specialists
- Once application is ported to Linux, it can be deployed on many platforms.
Community efforts
- established open source community efforts, the Linux Technology Center.
- Open source is better for everyone - customer, developer, etc.
- They have open sourced a number of things, and are planning to open source more.
- As many companies (besides IBM) open source their technology, Linux will become more popular and better.
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Q and A session
Q: OS priorities: AIX vs Linux, no mention of Monterey? and, if clustering becomes more sophisticated, will that eliminate the need for AIX on the high end? If Linux accelerates migration to industry standard platforms, what are the implications for IBM's business?
A: Monterey was the effort to convert AIX to 64bit for Power architechture and also IA64. That has been done.
- Responding to market demand for Linux, IBM has integrated Linux into strategy.
- regarding clustering: Clustering on Linux is very good today, good for internet applications, good for supercomputers. This gives "horizontal scalability", using many single, dual, or quad processor machines.
- Where Linux is NOT so good today, and where AIX has the advantage, is to run transaction processing applications - where data must be shared at very high speed, mission critical transactions, and high-level SMP where data must be shared. Linux doesn't do it yet, but the 2.4 kernel will be much better.
- Over time it is possible that Linux will approach the capabilities of enterprise. If so, the enterprise stuff from AIX might be migrated to Linux.
- There is a lot more to an enterprise solution than just the kernel.
- This may take several years, and that's why they are continuing their work with AIX.
- This strategy will adjust in the future as Linux progresses.
- Yes, Linux is an excellent example of the industry moving to standards.
- This started with the Internet, and now others like XML, SOAP, are other examples. Linux is part of this.
- This is important becayse it is only by embracing standards that we will be able to build the applications required by their customers. (ebusiness, etc.)
- Market is embracing standards,
- IBM is happy with this because they make their money selling hardware, middleware, and services.
- As more of that hardware, middleware, services is supporting standards, you can build bigger and bigger solutions, and it's good for IBM's business.
Question 2:
Q: re incremental opportunity for Linux. To what extent is Linux demand incremental, vs. displacing other operating systems?
A: It is early in the process, so hard to tell. However, he believes that Linux will cause a big expansion in the market. Includes an expansion in the number of products, including consumer products that will integrate IT technology. The TIVO is a good example. - computer tech is going further into consumer electronics, telecommunications, and others. All those consumer appliances can become network applicances. Believe the IT industry is going to grow - the more devices you connect, the more services you need, bigger services.
Clearly the growth of Linux will also come by displacing existing legacy systems, but this will not be as significant as the incremental growth.
Question 3:
Q: (1) re Linux kernel: existing kernel is "long in the tooth", how to we get the predicted commitment to Linux without more visibility on when the next kernel will arrive and what it's capabilities will be?
(2) re revenue growth rate: in Linux server market - the real opportunity in the market may be embedded systems, with money to be made on management.
A: (1) regarding the kernel being "long in the tooth". Operating systems are like fine wine - they need time to mature. The more mature they are, the better they get in the sense of quality, scalability. THe best operating systems in the world, they are not that young. Compared to them, Linux is actually quite young! (comments on early development of kernel by Linus, etc.) In 1998, 1999, it hit the big time. Kind of like TCP/IP. It had been around for a long time, used by the research community, until it hit the big time in 94/95.
The next version of Linux, 2.4, is scheduled to come out this fall, deploying next year, higher levels on SMP, concurrency, etc. The community is working on this, IBM's tech center is trying to help the community. Other vendors like Silicon Graphics, are also contributing, this makes Linux better and better for applicances, desktops, as well as larger and larger servers.
2. Regardiung the explosion of linux appliances. IBM views this as a wonderful business opportunity. They need technology and they need services. Technology like microprocessors, very small storage devices, analog stuff like integrated circuits for communications. This is driving IBM's tech business. Then they need integration services, this feeds the software business. A lot of work on WebSphere is dedicated to support of pervasive devices. The more of them you have out there, the more you need stuff like WebSpere on systems like the 390.
Services is the biggest part of the e-business opportunity. 60% of the revenue. 5% is hardware, the rest is software, more or less.
Big opportunity. If you have 10 billions of chatty little devices each doing lots of transactions, that's the kind of load that will keep the system 390 mainframes busy. Theres a lot of demand for server capacity.
Middlewhere is also a big part of the equation. A big part of WebSphere is targeted to this.
Question 4.
Q: IBM is working with many distributors. Do you see a possibility of Linux fragmenting, and if so, do you see a possibility of IBM providing their own version of Linux?
A: We are working primarily with the 4 major worldwide distributers: Red Hat, TurboLinux, SUSE, and Caldera.
And we do different things with each. Suse does the system 390, for example. Suse is big in europe, while Turbo is big in Asia. Red Flag Linux is the biggest in China. Mandrake is big in France, and on the desktop. Hard Hat Linux is big on embedded devices. So, over 150 distributors. They don't need IBM to be a distributor. They are better off working with distributors to integrate the whole system for their customers.
If the problem is in the Linux kernel, IBM can get together with the appropriate distributors.
There is an organization called the Free Standard Group, and just about all the major distributors are part of it and are committed to avoiding fragmentation. Look at other efforts like XML - the industry is doing well for keeping things together.
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I've noticed that billboards for IBM's developers website lists Java, XML, and Linux as "supported technologies", but makes no mention of Windows (or any other MS product, for that matter).
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ill kick back and watch IBM bitch slap m$
This is yet another forced [death] march of IBM's warm bodies onto a hot "new" technology.
And lookie! They have Linux running on top of VM/ESA on the S/390! Who gives a rat's arse???
Steve Magruder
Steve Magruder, Metro Foodist
Hey, no one likes the damn Windows media player, but can't you see the point in getting the message out to those who need it most - those with the Windows media player?
What's the point in preaching Linux to a Linux only media set? It defeats the whole purpose. However, this seems to be more and more the attitude of "open" systems.
"Hey, let's convince them to use our operating system by not using any of their file formats and make remarks about them when they ask for information in those formats."
It's the high school cafeteria attitude, finally brought to software!
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So stop whining...
I thought this commercial was kinda cool. Different style for IBM.
Please figure it out.
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