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According to the German Heise Newsticker Linux is the top server for .de-domains both in terms of IP addresses and domain names hosted. The survey carried out by the company iKu Netzwerklösungen surveyed all of almost 2.5 million connected .de-domains distributed over 205.540 IP addresses with the port scanner nmap. 44 percent of IP addresses surveyed were hosted by Linux, 30 percent by Windows.
In terms of domain names hosted Linux has an even greater lead, with over 1.1 million domaines. Solaris follows with about 850,000 names, of which 180,000 are hosted on just two Solaris boxes belonging to Germany's biggest webspace provider Strato. Windows follows in 3rd place with just 10%. " Check out the fish if you don't jive deutsch.
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Let's assume all your facts are correct--I have no way of (or interest in) verifying them. Your reasoning is so ridiculous it actually made me laugh out loud:
First of all, high costs forcing a company to save money internally isn't an example of socialism, it's an example of capitalism.
Second, companies switching to a better and cheaper OS is not proof that XYZ doesn't work. It's proof that XYZ does work--something good happened.
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If it wasn't for the high cost of doing business in Europe due to the Socialist policies.
Of course, I'm referring to the BMW and Mercedes plants that were built in the US to avoid confiscatory German/Socialist policies. When manufacturing jobs are migrating to the US you know something is wrong.
And you're always reading about the inability of German firms to get enough technical IT workers. It's partly due to the IT boom, but also do to the oppressive employment policies of German businesses making full time, direct hire prohibitively expensive. Enter the guest worker, does anyone know if MS is running MCSE boot camps in Turkey? They should.
Thankfully, dubya is leading in the polls in the states, with a Replublican majority in the house they might be able to reverse American's socialist decline.
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Don't worry. When Linux gets very popular, we'll start to see more exploits and shell-script viruses (RUN TH!S @S R00T F0R FR33 PR0N) and people will complain how it's all the sell-out commercial Linux vendors' fault for including support for such horrible features. Then everyone will switch to FreeBSD, complain that there aren't enough good apps out for it, rejoice when buggy ports of obsolete applications are released, and proclaim it as the Next Big Thing.
There are enough niche OS's out there to make sure that the true geek never uses a popular, "conformist" OS, and always gets to stand out from the crowd.
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Like a recent commentator said, sheer volumn of IP associated with PC*nix isn't everything if most all of them are useless vanity pages - how about important industries like this
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One of their comments said it all.
Our of 800,000 Domains on Solaris Machines, 180,000 are one TWO machines!!
Where as the million something are on who knows how many Linux boxen
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what are the stats for american domain names? has anyone dont something similar for american domain names?
I've seen several arragant ignorant "that's wrong" posts correcting "flaws" in the main story, followed by the typical avalanche of corrections explaining how the commentor has it wrong instead.
I don't know the nationality of those involved, but if I were to guess, I'd say the arrogant ignorant ones were Americans. Maybe it's a failing of the schools, or a common misperception that the world follows all of America's "isms."
For the record,
I wish more Americans would learn how they fit into the world, in history and society. It's cultural Ptolemism, and it's embarassing to be an American amongst such examples of ignorance.
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Is this Germany's subnet? Wait a minute, 540 isn't a valid octet. Is that how they got 2.5 million hosts in a class C address space?
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That's right, I guess I didn't. But Slashdot has certified that my opinions are worth their weight in gold, whereas your opinions don't even deserve to be seen unless specifically requested. Shouldn't you be downloading the daily security patch for your excellent people's-choice-because-they-have-no-alternative OS today?
Everyone uses Windows, so it has to be good. Everyone used AT&T and Standard Oil, who provided excellent service for most of their customers but shut out competition. Why don't you let people choose what they want, instead of telling them what they want?
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Actually and unfortunately, no. The standard OS for governments is Windows (even 98 in many cases!). This is changing slowly, since they do begin to feel uncomfortable about not having the source of the software that handles all their precious data.
The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.
--Henry Kissinger
However, a survey like this cannot answer the question that PHB's and corporate Sysadmins everywhere want answered: What are successful companies using for mission-critical appliacations?
At the moment, I don't think anyone can answer that directly, but I would like to see tech magazines survey businesses to see what they are using, and in what capacity. I would suspect that, at least for now, MS has the lead in medium-to-large corporations for mission-critical applications -- but the fact remains there is no data to back this up.
#disclaimer -- I don't like MS, but I believe in every OS having a place.
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Yes, Americans can be ignorant/arrogant, but so can the rest of the world. It's just that Americans, for whatever reason, are currently the world's Political/Economical/Military (and perhaps cultural...scary thought ;) hegemonic power, so American flaws are expsosed to more people and easier to to see.
The Romans faced the same problem when they took over "Graeco-Roman" culture.
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Yeah .. but these machines are horrible. They had more than 6 total crashes in this year. Each with a downtime of more than 6 hours !. (one was nearly one day. Imagine! 180.000 Domains gone ! ;)
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(Although that provider states, that there are 1.000.000 Domains on that machine.)
Also they run the web-service for the domains on one, and use the other for e-mail and database. Both are Sun E6500
(I just happen to have a domain right there. It sucks. I should have used the other big one, it uses linux-cluster
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Why are you interested in stats on the *.us domains? Wouldn't .com, .net, .org be more interesting?
.us or .ca may indicate that it is located in the US or in Canada. The .com, .net etc TLD's are now truly global. I work for a Canadian company with a .com address, read Swedish newspapers with .com addresses.
No not really. There is no saying where a site is located based on the TLD. A
The internet is truly global and every attempt at pinning down physical location based on simple TLD filters is bound to fail.
They just don't seem to get the "Microsoft, everywhere, all the time" dogma. It's a wonder anything works over there.
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6 hours was probably the ammount of time it took to fsck the disk array. Sounds like poor design methodology (no duh, 1,000,000 virtual websites on one box?!) rather than bad platform choice.
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Crack must be real cheap in
The number of Linux servers compared to Solaris servers is largely meaningless because a Sparc can handle more of a load than a simple x86. Yes, Linux is available on a Sparc. But why bother? If you're going to get a UltraSparc 10, why get another OS when you can get Solaris 8 supported as part of the package? If you can afford $8000 for the machine, Solaris is a viable and usually more useful option than Linux. (Mostly because you can also get a support contract.)
A useful comparison might be to compare what the majority of Linux servers are used for compared to Solaris and Windows servers. Are the Linux servers running e-commerce sites? Or are they running the standard Apache home page because httpd was in the default init script?
Linux is used by many hobbyists - how many of those boxes where just boxes set up for personal use? I dunno how cheap broadband is in Germany, but it's a possibility.
Like all statistics, take these with a grain of salt - the fact that the cheapest method of serving a web server is the most widely used really doesn't mean anything. I'd expect a survey of college students who run their own web pages to come up with a large collection of Linux, followed by Windows, and then maybe the free-as-in-beer Solaris offerings.
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
That's funny. I go portscanning entire domains and my ISP gets mad. they do it and they get a post on ./ .
Not to play devil's advocate, but how accurate are these numbers when you consider that firewalls can easily spoof or block portscan attempts?
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1 million = 1E6
1 billion = 1E9
1 trillion = 1E12
1 ? = 1E15
Actually, that's actually "American" not English. 1E15 turns out to be quadrillion in America, and confusingly enough, one-thousand billion in the British system. You can learn FMTYNTK about the names of big numbers courtesy of Merriam-Webster.
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
It's the short comment penalty. One-word comments are automagically moderated down a point to prevent people from flooding the system with tiny comments (although repeatedly pasting things in circumvents this quite nicely).
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Nope. .de
.nl
Deutsch/German is spoken in
Holländisch/Dutch is spoken in
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I would imagine this extends to the rest of Western Europe as well, because despite the language differences, the cultures and economies were quite similar. The fact that their economies are doing quite as well will also make them a little less wasteful and linux is an excellent way to do that.
I bet for one, most of the governments over there use Linux because they would rather not give money to some American company. Atleast with linux they can argue there are Germans who have had a hand in making it and they aren't spending money.
It's also interest that a full 7% of the domains refused to respond. I'm not an expert here, does anybody know why that would be so high?
"It's because they're stupid. That's why everybody does everything."- Homer Jay Simpson
The .ca domain has not yet been deregulated like the .com, .net, and .org TLDs have. Therefore, a .ca domain would be a pretty good indicator that the site is in fact based in Canada. Of course, there are exceptions, like www.yahoo.ca
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