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Kuro5hin Update
bob|hm was one of the group of people who wrote to us with an update from Kuro5hin. The donated server from VA has been packaged and sent out - now it's a matter of hooking it back up and "kicking the tires."
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Also, while k5's issue were ddos related, having the extra processing power could mean the difference next time in setting up cpu intensive network rules.
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Open Source Program Manager, Google, Inc.
The argument that VA will continue to be very good to the developer community and sites like k5 because of the profit motive can definately made and I can make it, but luckily that's only part of why we do it, we also feel that to not do it would be exploitative of the very community VA employees rose out of (or have subsequently been brought into).
Of course giving out hardware and the rest has the effect of generating a lot of goodwill, which is good, and makes recruiting a lot easier, which is also good. Any company that doesn't pay attention to it's user and developer base is foolish. In OSS it's simply criminal.
That said, we're never going to please everyone, but it's working out so far pretty well.
I don't know that that really addreses what you are asking ,but it;s a long discussion.
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
Chris
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Open Source Program Manager, Google, Inc.
Chris
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Open Source Program Manager, Google, Inc.
Now, I don't speak for rob or any of the /. people, but I think that the reason this story is being posted is not about VA so much as it is about /. having the class to tell people about the status of kuro5hin. If you look on the site, rusty all but asks for a post.
The way I see it, anyone familiar with k5 knows we helped them out, and those that aren't wouldn't read the story much anyhow, so I don't see this as corporate shillism.
As far as your worries about the sites we actually run, only time will tell. In the past we've been good (unless you talk to a few people, that is :-) and we're not looking to change. Of course time will show our intentions better than any post on /.
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Open Source Program Manager, Google, Inc.
One amusing tidbit that I found while perusing the source for the Kuro5hin home page was this:
It would be nice to know where this abuse originated, and who was most interested in protecting them. A nice LARTing is definitely in order.
-Ed Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.
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So... this "story" consists of... Kuro5hin added 10 lines of text to their website... Great story!
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Maybe not, but it's not your place to judge. If you don't like it, you can feel free to leave. That doesn't mean you should posting offtopic messages.
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Aaaah, my mistake - you must be American!
Obviously, with your retarded attention span, you must be riveted with the action gong on here!
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Ah, yes. And you say they bred tact out of Americans, right? The nationalism you're exhibiting reaks with the stench of 2 month old eggs.
Lucky for we 'retarded' Americans, most British folk are quite pleasant. It would appear you are the exception, not the rule. Unfortunately, all it takes is one big mouth to create an unfair stereotype about the British.
- Jeff A. Campbell
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- Jeff
Heh. That whole thread was a hoax cooked up on #kuro5hin. Sorry if it seemed too much like a real argument. :-)
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There is no K5 cabal.
I am not the real rusty.
Basically, while we were working on code, VA said "Hey, want a dual processor P3 700, with a gig of memory?" and what would *you* say to that? :-)
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There is no K5 cabal.
I am not the real rusty.
Inoshiro and I were both severely sleep-deprived when all this occured. You'll have to forgive us.
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There is no K5 cabal.
I am not the real rusty.
Oh, sure. Typical of the so-called "Open Source" community, that as soon as someone tries to make a living from their hard work, someone else has to come along and yell "sell out"! Y'know, it's people like you and that commie RMS that are going to put a lot of hard-working programmers out on the street, not to mention all those poor struggling rock stars that you are no doubt stealing music from. Sure, if I'm a sellout, than I suppose that Lars Ulrich and the other artists from the musical group Metallica are also sell-outs, just because they don't want you to steal their hard-earned labor? Well fine then.
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There is no K5 cabal.
I am not the real rusty.
Ah-hem.
"Show me the money!" :-)
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"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is"
Vidi, Vici, Veni
Funny but I bet the problems that kuro5hin had will bring them even more traffic then they had before. I mean, I never once went to that site before but now that I saw so much things about it here I can't wait it to be back to see what it looks like and how cool it is. I bet I'm not the only one...
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear"
i'm sorry, but, ebbv or however you pronounce that name, is a boring and silly little kid.
am we going to start having to wade through every single post by ebbv? i say we bitchslap him so we don't have to read his posts again.
on the other hand, i suppose we can just ignore his posts. but then again, ebbv seems to have such a problem scrolling past news with websites that he has a personal vendetta against.
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
"If you look on the site, rusty all but asks for a post."
:-)
Well, maybe we need to get you some new reading specs.. "[Update by Inoshiro, 13-09-2000 11:20:00 UTC]"
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And I suppose classical music is crap because it was written by poor ol' Bach, Bethoven, and the other great support-contract musicians of the middle-ages rather than after they signed rights to some big record giant?
You used to get it, man! Then k5 went down, and you got a job. And that haircut (it's so evil). And you stopped smoking pot and doing the heroin. You've changed, man!
I don't even know who you are anymore. I'm porting Scoop to PHP. You're dead to me now.
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Maybe I'm not the one to speak for Kuro5hin, being second in command.
:-)
But.. what?!
VA Linux gave us a server. If we hadn't been given the server, we'd have had to frickin' wait for about 10 years before banner ads paid for something more powerful than our old PPro! There's no control there, just a donation.
Oh well.. your comment is a good laugh. Hopefully someone will properly rate it as funny
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Sell out!
(I still get 50%, right?)
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You may be asking yourself, "why is this frontpage news?"
;-)
;)"
/. gave a holler when we were up for business (hopefully soon), not about some small update written in the wee hours in the morning :)
I think I'm to blame..
<rusty> maybe it was cause you practially begged for it
<rusty> "Heck,
<rusty> it'd be nifty if others
gave us coverage
I meant that it'd be nice if
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But this constant banging on about kuro5hin seems to be an attempt to get people to go to the site, and get more eyeballs for VA Linux's generosity. There is nothing there to see, really, other than "it's taking a bit more time than we thought"
Hmm, I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, but this smacks of either a slow news day (which it isn't, check my story submission here which was in a queue of 416 at the time of posting), or VA Linux is trying to milk all the publicity as it can. I really hope I'm wrong.
Strong data typing is for those with weak minds.
Strong data typing is for those with weak minds.
Mark Twain's plan for the improvement of English spelling:
For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and Iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all.
Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli.
Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.
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Hrmm man, you do great art, but sometimes your posts strike me as a little nuts (also outspoken, which I normally like, except when it's nuts.) I agree with you that slashdot has gone downhill, and I share your frustration with some of the things that happen here. But... well, read on, and no offense is intended, but this has to be said.
Maybe you can explain why accepting a donated VALinux box makes K5 such a sellout that you feel compelled to denounce them and delink them, yet you are making this announcement on slashot which is actually owned by Andover? How much sense does that make?
Not to mention that your site is being hosted at the newly renamed ibiblio.org, running on money from RedHat themselves! Doesn't that make your post just a little hypocritical man? I mean, really, as long as RedHat doesn't try to influence your content, why should you be anything but thankful that they are underwriting your host? You shouldn't be... any more than the K5 team should have turned down VAs generous donation that helped them get up and running again...
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Now about why kuro5hin is news for nerds. It is a much geek news site than slashdot which is easily witnessed by the fact that I have seen slashdot's own authers (e.g. micheal) post more on kuro5hin than I have on slashdot. Here are just a few of the reasons why kuro5hin is much preferrable to slashdot.
PS: That said, I read both sites several times a day and have nothing against slashdot but simply feel that kuro5hin was/is of superior quality.
...I just pulled up www.kuro5hin.org and it has a clock. Counting down as you refresh the page. It's at 02:23:00 right now...
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Well, it seems pretty obvious to me, VA Linux/Andover will buy Kuro5hin.
There are two kinds of people in the world: Those with good memory.
Fool.
Gotta love certain factions of the Slashdot community. Now they're bashing VA for donating a server to the community. Of course, if VA didn't help out, they'd probably complain that VA wasn't "giving back to the community".
Considering that Kuro5hin is TOTALLY community-driven, it's particularly sellout-proof. I mean, shit... even if Inoshiro and Rusty become the biggest Microsoft whores on the planet, as long as the stories on their site continue to be submitted and selected by their readers, the site's not going to suffer one iota. It's not like Slashdot, where stories are selected by a small editorial staff that could conceivably (not saying they are, but...) be biased.
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I think it is. I like K5 alot, but it's been out of action for so long now I've stopped checking their page to see if anything's up. If Slashdot didn't keep me informed, I probably wouldn't find out that it was back for quite a while. So yes, to me this is newsworthy.
Can someone tell me why a new server was needed? I would have thought whatever had to be done software-wise to block the spam could have been done on whatever they had before. Or does the processing power necessary for the new software require a more powerful machine?
"If I have seen further than other men, it is by stepping on their glasses." - Michael Swaine
That's funny, I want to be a Brit!
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I want to lie awake at night in my country house listening to vans full of yobbos park and then check my doors and windows, knowing that if I defend my home I'll be jailed while they're characterized as "loveable rogues"!
I want to be issued an identity card which I must present to anyone in authority on demand. Of course, they won't call it an 'internal passport,' but a rose by any other name
I want everyone in town forced to have their DNA sampled any time someone in the general area commits a crime!
I want to have my health care paid for by others. Sure it's mediocre, and I have a good chance of having some bureaucrat make me wait months for treatment, but it's free (at least if you consider a system funded by an enormous tax burden 'free')! And if it's a real emergency, I can always head for the U.S., where I can get better treatment while I make disdainful comments about their evil for-profit medical system!
I want to live in a country where there is no Bill of Rights or recognized freedom of speech! I like the fact that the state can shut up those with inconvenient views!
HAND ME MY MEDICATION AND TELL ME WHERE TO APPLY!
"If I have seen further than other men, it is by stepping on their glasses." - Michael Swaine
Though I liked Kuro5hin, hearing this is why I am also quite glad that Slashdot is a lot more inclusive.
It's only temporary IIRC, after a while you'll be able to post again. Remember that /. bans an IP if it gets moderated down more than 5 times in a day, and also has things like a maximum number of posts (35 every 4 hours IIRC), so it isn't all that different, just better publicised.
Kuro5hin was a bit more bland, a bit more regular because of all the norms. People felt discouraged from all the weird id-controlled ravings, and so it lost a great deal.
It was at first, but the open submissions bin seemed to change all of that as it allowed stories to be posted that weren't perhaps "news for nerds" in a strict sense. The "Poverty in America" and "Violent Britain" stories generated some huge and interesting flamewars, and some of the best kind of discussions that weblogs produce. Unfortunately, the site was attacked just when it was getting good.
But yeah, I love the crazy crap that goes on on /. every day, and a big part of the site's "character" is the trolls, the flamers, hell even the Penis Bird Guys and Vladinators... :)
I miss kuro5hin. Whilst I get a lot of the same at /. kuro5hin had a somewhat broader focus which gave rise to some incredibly interesting discussions on things like poverty, violence and the future of software. I think the open submissions idea allowed it to be less focussed on a particular them, like /. Still, both approaches have their merits and flaws, and I love both sites.
One thing that interests me is the new "rating" system that kuro5hin will be implementing, called mojo. Like moderation and karma on /. it is designed to allow good comments to be "pushed up" and spam and other crap to be hidden from view.
The difference is that mojo is based upon the ratings given on recent posts, with more recent posts counting for more than older ones. Since everyone on k5 can rate posts, this means that people consistently posting crap will end up with a low mojo and be unable to post or submit stories.
Hopefully this system will be able to cut down on the amount of noise that weblogs like /. and k5 seem to attract, and allow k5 to get back to what it was, a growing community with loyal readers.