> Try to take the whole post in at once - I know > the MTV generation has a low attention span, but > it's only one paragraph. Perhaps you missed your > Ritalin dose this morning?
My, aren't you the pleasant one?
> > Unless people from Washington are receiving > > less spam
> That's pretty much implied by the part of my > post that you didn't quote (you know, about how > WA residents are sueing - and winning - and > collecting) from spammers.
It may have been implied, but in my experience it's wrong. I lived in Washington State for my entire life, until approximately a year and a half ago. I even registered under the WAISP directory of Washington State email account holders, soon after the law was passed.
A year and a half ago, I moved to California.
Over the last several years - the previous couple in particular - I'd say that at least 75% of my email is spam. And I get a _lot_ of email.
While I'm happy to see that the two states I've lived in happen to be the ones that have the toughest anti-spam laws in this country, it's pretty clear that they haven't done a whole lot of actual meaningful good.
The only thing that has made email useful for me is SpamAssassin (www.spamassassin.org).
(And in any case, 99.99% of WA state email holders don't even know about the law, and haven't registered their email addresses so that spammers can filter them out... So it's even more worthless to the majority of the state's populace)
It probably depends on what kind of development your developer is trying to do, but...
It sounds like he either tried to do all this with a pretty early version of OS X (before most major tools were ported), or he just didn't know where to look.
If I didn't have it all installed already, in just a few hours I could have Apache, PHP, Perl, MySQL CVS, CVSWeb, and a number of other tools installed and ready to go. Install the dev tools and you'll likely have most of this stuff installed to begin with.
Again, it depends on what he does. But for my own needs (admittedly relatively light), it was a piece of cake.
> I could read that without stopping to think, > "Doh! Buzzword!"
Well, I can sling buzzwords like anyone. I just know when it won't be appreciated.;>
> And you can code?
I like to think I can, but those who are inflicted with - er, enjoy - my code may have an alternative opinion. I'm mostly limited to Perl and PHP for my major project, though I've dabbled in Objective C and C++ (I've made some beautiful, albeit worthless, GUI-fied dice simulators for BeOS and Mac OS X).:>
> Thanks for the feedback. =) I just need a pat on > the back to assure me that there are smart > marketing folks out there. I suppose it's like > CEOs: the dumb ones always seem to be the ones you > notice.
I don't think that the problem is marketing people lacking intelligence, the problem is that a lot of people in the field lack a strong sense of ethics (and again, this is almost certainly just a handful spoiling the general impression).
Sometimes though, it's the managers. Just like a coder who is asked to release buggy code or lose his job, sometimes marketing people have those same kind of pressures from upstairs (this isn't the case with my employer, but I suspect I'm in a relatively unique company).
The fact is that most products ARE very much alike. As are most services. If everyone made claims based entirely on actual value then the balance would be about the same, 'cept some joker would use the hype to steal away customers. Say what you will about mindless hype, but it does work. People are very susceptible to that sort of thing, and companies know it.
I'm not the guy you're replying to, but I work in the Marketing team of a fairly popular web hosting company (which I'm not going to name unless someone asks, lest I be seen as advertising). Being a fairly stereotypical Slashdot geek, I might be able to shed some light on why some people go into marketing.
(For what it's worth, I'm probably not the typical Marketing person either - I code in Perl and PHP, am very familiar with MySQL, know my way around a command line, etc)
I don't know about most Marketing people, but I view Marketing kind of like a game in a way. When you're in a big company with instant name recognition you can count on people knowing about you - it's all about building an image.
When you're in a small company like ours, though, the challenge is more likely to be to simply let people know you exist. Being a smaller company gives you some room to do technical stuff that the big guys are too slow to do quickly, but you still need to get the word out.
It's a challenge, like anything else, and it's fun. It's satisfying to watch sign-up numbers go up, see someone give you a good review on a host rating site, or watch as small communities of people doing Cool Stuff(TM) declare your product and/or service to be to their liking.
I suspect it's different working for a big, bloated company... I'll be the first to admit that in those cases usually the hype far outweighs the real contribution. But remember this: Most companies (in this country at least) are small, and are working just to stay alive and profitable. Most of them have something unique to add to the mix, and without a Marketing person to let the world know about it there really isn't a point. What use is offering a cool product or service if nobody knows about it?
Where was I? Oh yeah... It's a game, kind of. It's fun to see what ads work, what PR efforts pay off, etc. As long as you do it ethically and don't overdose on your own hype, it's not a bad job to be in... At least in a smaller company.
(Another thing to consider: I'm planning on starting my own software company soon. No matter how well you code or manage a development project, experience in marketing and sales will help you keep your mind on the big picture - even if you hire a full-time marketing guy. At least, that's the theory I'm going on...)
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If members of the KKK were murdering muslims in Afghanistan, it wouldn't make much sense for Afghanistan to demand the U.S. Government turn over all members of the KKK and destroys its ability to spread hate and inact violence in four weeks. Not only is it contrary to our laws, it's also impossible for the U.S. Government to stamp out all of the KKK in four weeks.
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Two details:
- Al Qaeda is a lot smaller, in terms of geographical reach and in numbers, than the KKK is here.
- Unlike the KKK, Al Qaeda answers to one man. The KKK is a set of fractured groups, some of which are more militant than others. Some just talk a lot.
- 1 month is more than enough. We wouldn't have expected every single Al Qaeda member to be handed over in that time. If they had rounded up Bin Laden and a few dozen of his associates and turned them over to us with the promise of more, we wouldn't be bombing them now.
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Why didnt the US show the taliban the "proof" that bin laden is responsible, they have said right from the start that if they were given strong evidence they would consider handing him over.
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Because doing so would have exposed our entire intelligence network.
At best, that intelligence wouldn't work any more.
At worst, that intelligence wouldn't work any more and we would have to deal with the death of hundreds of our informants.
I figure it this way: If the government has plenty of proof, they don't see any reason to give a damn whether the Taliban gets to see it (as they know they were behind it, and know it).
Regardless, strong evidence has already been released... Just not something that would expose our intelligence community to risk.
I don't know why more people don't get annoyed at that kind of paternalistic garbage.
This kind of attitude 'keeps people down' far more than offering minimum wage jobs ever has. If you keep telling someone that they have no chance to advance, to succeed, and that they'll never get anywhere without handouts, they'll start believing it.
There are a number of us who would rather not have these kind of military interventions either. The amount we spend on policing the world is only matched by the amount we spend bribing it with 'relief'. Both are at taxpayer expense.
If we could have friendly trade with our neighbors, but largely kept our noses out of other countries' business, things would be much better.
Because there are those out there that think that taxing the middle and upper class is a more acceptable way to feed the poor than actually letting them work.
That said, I think that government should stop McDonald's from placing consumers and potential employees at gunpoint, forcing them to eat (or work) there. Oh wait, that's not right...
We (www.dreamhost.com) have spent the better part of the last year and a half writing and tweaking our own control panel interface with all the goodies - billing, domain registration, email aliases, MX records, support form, knowledge base, password management, announcements, adding of MySQL databases, setting up anonftp, and more. It's also skinnable.
It was _also_ a bitch to write, but we've been using it for new customers for some time now. Much better than what we were originally working with.:>
The panel was designed with use by others in mind (although we mostly wrote it for our own use at the time), and we have discussed licensing it out in the past but I'm not sure what the status of that is. As it is we've had a ton of resellers using it and they've been pretty happy with it.
All this running on Debian Linux w/Apache, MySQL, and written in Perl. So if that's something you're familiar with, it may be worth looking into.
If you're interested, write sales@dreamhost.com with what your plans are and what you need (feel free to ask for my name and I'll try to find out some info).
Get out! Get out! Get out! If someone makes baseless statements about a company they obviously know nothing about, you should never contradict them with the truth. That's just bad manners.
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Sounds good if you believe that the problems in public education stem from teachers and administrators who aren't motivated to solve the problem, and that economic fears will supply that motivation. Exercise for the reader: how many individuals choose a career in public education because they care deeply about economic rewards?
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Actually, this isn't the justification for vouchers at all. Basically, there are two reasons for them:
1. Choice. In a capitalistic society, the theory goes, if a sufficient number of people are dissatisfied with a given choice an alternative will pop up. As it is now the public school system is a monopoly in that if you don't like it the only alternative is another public school (which, for geographic reasons, often isn't an alternative at all). However, if more and more people use private schools the prices should drop considerably, as there is a larger customer base to cater to.
2. Economic. This doesn't have anything to do with how well teachers are paid, but rather the ability of the consumer (parents, children) to vote with their dollars. This basically ties in with #1 above: If being shitty means that a private school is going to lose a student, they'll avoid being shitty. Public schools in comparison only need to worry if the kid shows up in order to keep their funding.
There's also another side benefit, for those of you who want to see public schools get better: They'll have to compete with the private schools, and should (hopefully) get better in their own right. This will add a little accountability to them, which never hurts.
As for some of the other worries: As an agnostic, I understand peoples' concerns about free speech and religion being taught in class, but I don't begrudge the fundamentalist's rights to brainwash their poor children's minds if they see fit (with their own tax dollars). What I do hope for are for non-religious private schools to become more popular, run more like colleges than current high schools. Less emphasis on busy work and more on life skills.
The other thing I think a lot of people forget about the current voucher programs being pushed is that they're only available for areas where the public schools fail. Basically, it's going to start as an experiment in places where they can't possibly do any WORSE than public schools already. In other words, low income areas.
If you don't care for Republicans or conservatives, that's your perogative. But look at vouchers on their own merits - it isn't giving up on public schools, but providing an alternative for those who already have given up on them.
Are you telling me that Mitsubishi, Ford, Honda, Chevy, etc. sell cars without the knowledge that they are used in drive-by shootings, hit and runs, drug trafficking, or similar activities?
Don't let them know, otherwise they will have to be stopped and we'll resort back to walking from place to place.
The only difference is percentage (do more Napster users use it to do 'bad' things than car owners use their cars to do 'bad' things?) and by severity (most people would consider so-called piracy much less severe than drive-by shootings).
Many artists (particularly those with actual artistic ambition) don't end up on MTV. MTV is simply a place to promote corporate-backed 'bands' to a clearly defined target market, not display musicians of artistic merit.
Which is fine, I suppose, but it'd be nice if real musicians could get paid well too without having to get lucky and sacrifice their artistic freedom.
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I think the fact that Clinton lied to the country is pretty bad, but Orrin's contemptuous holier-than-thou moral stand on the issue made me sick to my stomach.
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Lots of people have affairs.
But when the person in question:
A) is the President of The United States.
B) lies about it repeatedly in front of Congress and the American people.
...don't you think something should have been done (beyond censure, aka. a slap on the hand)? What point is there to having high expectations of the President if we don't hold him/her to them?
Not to say that Republicans wouldn't do the same thing - some of them probably would. But the assorted crap Clinton was involved in was no better than Nixon, and he should have been dealt the same fate.
And to be honest, while I probably wouldn't vote for him, Hatch doesn't strike me as being Clintonian, so I don't think there's a case of hypocrisy going on here.
Be careful with the stereotypes. There are lots of us out there who are agnostic, pro-choice, pro-environment individuals who find it ethically corrupt to support the 'redistribution' of weath, class warfare, big government, etc.
I agree with one thing: It has nothing to do with stodginess or age. Socialism is pretty old as well, and yet seems pretty fashionable to many of today's youth. This kind of stuff seems to come and go in waves.
I realize you're probably just trolling, but OS9 is one of the major operating systems out there, as far as marketshare is concerned.
And yes, I realize that Apple's marketshare is pretty low, but it's one of the most - if not the most - popular OSes outside of Redmond. Certainly in the consumer market.
With what? Their $150 million dollar investment? Not likely. Even for the old 'poor' Apple that wasn't much.
Jobs saved Apple by coming up with something other than beige boxes. You may not care what color your computer is, but they reinvigorated sales like you wouldn't believe.
Obsession? He just prefers them, and has some HI research to back him up on it.
Obsessive is a bunch of non-Mac users instinctively complaining about the lack of multiple buttons on every single Slashdot story that comes up dealing with Apple. Like one of Pavlov's dogs, really.
Who's obsessive now?
- Jeff A. Campbell
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...no man, you've got your stereotype all wrong!
The fashionable stereotype this year is that conservatives sell out to EVIL MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS, most definitely not EVIL CHILD MURDERING DEFENSE CONTRACTORS. It's best to stick with the former this year - as popularized by Ralph Nader and Al Gore - as the latter is so 80's it's not even funny.
Please do keep your stereotypes in sync with your colleagues, though. It's hard to further an agenda when your message is fragmented.
...
BTW: Rumor is that next year they'll be pawns of either BIG TOBACCO or THE LOGGING INDUSTRY. I can hardly wait!
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> Try to take the whole post in at once - I know
... So it's even more worthless to the majority of the state's populace)
> the MTV generation has a low attention span, but
> it's only one paragraph. Perhaps you missed your
> Ritalin dose this morning?
My, aren't you the pleasant one?
> > Unless people from Washington are receiving
> > less spam
> That's pretty much implied by the part of my
> post that you didn't quote (you know, about how
> WA residents are sueing - and winning - and
> collecting) from spammers.
It may have been implied, but in my experience it's wrong. I lived in Washington State for my entire life, until approximately a year and a half ago. I even registered under the WAISP directory of Washington State email account holders, soon after the law was passed.
A year and a half ago, I moved to California.
Over the last several years - the previous couple in particular - I'd say that at least 75% of my email is spam. And I get a _lot_ of email.
While I'm happy to see that the two states I've lived in happen to be the ones that have the toughest anti-spam laws in this country, it's pretty clear that they haven't done a whole lot of actual meaningful good.
The only thing that has made email useful for me is SpamAssassin (www.spamassassin.org).
(And in any case, 99.99% of WA state email holders don't even know about the law, and haven't registered their email addresses so that spammers can filter them out
It probably depends on what kind of development your developer is trying to do, but...
It sounds like he either tried to do all this with a pretty early version of OS X (before most major tools were ported), or he just didn't know where to look.
If I didn't have it all installed already, in just a few hours I could have Apache, PHP, Perl, MySQL CVS, CVSWeb, and a number of other tools installed and ready to go. Install the dev tools and you'll likely have most of this stuff installed to begin with.
Again, it depends on what he does. But for my own needs (admittedly relatively light), it was a piece of cake.
> I could read that without stopping to think,
;>
:>
> "Doh! Buzzword!"
Well, I can sling buzzwords like anyone. I just know when it won't be appreciated.
> And you can code?
I like to think I can, but those who are inflicted with - er, enjoy - my code may have an alternative opinion. I'm mostly limited to Perl and PHP for my major project, though I've dabbled in Objective C and C++ (I've made some beautiful, albeit worthless, GUI-fied dice simulators for BeOS and Mac OS X).
> Thanks for the feedback. =) I just need a pat on
> the back to assure me that there are smart
> marketing folks out there. I suppose it's like
> CEOs: the dumb ones always seem to be the ones you
> notice.
I don't think that the problem is marketing people lacking intelligence, the problem is that a lot of people in the field lack a strong sense of ethics (and again, this is almost certainly just a handful spoiling the general impression).
Sometimes though, it's the managers. Just like a coder who is asked to release buggy code or lose his job, sometimes marketing people have those same kind of pressures from upstairs (this isn't the case with my employer, but I suspect I'm in a relatively unique company).
The fact is that most products ARE very much alike. As are most services. If everyone made claims based entirely on actual value then the balance would be about the same, 'cept some joker would use the hype to steal away customers. Say what you will about mindless hype, but it does work. People are very susceptible to that sort of thing, and companies know it.
I'm not the guy you're replying to, but I work in the Marketing team of a fairly popular web hosting company (which I'm not going to name unless someone asks, lest I be seen as advertising). Being a fairly stereotypical Slashdot geek, I might be able to shed some light on why some people go into marketing.
... I'll be the first to admit that in those cases usually the hype far outweighs the real contribution. But remember this: Most companies (in this country at least) are small, and are working just to stay alive and profitable. Most of them have something unique to add to the mix, and without a Marketing person to let the world know about it there really isn't a point. What use is offering a cool product or service if nobody knows about it?
(For what it's worth, I'm probably not the typical Marketing person either - I code in Perl and PHP, am very familiar with MySQL, know my way around a command line, etc)
I don't know about most Marketing people, but I view Marketing kind of like a game in a way. When you're in a big company with instant name recognition you can count on people knowing about you - it's all about building an image.
When you're in a small company like ours, though, the challenge is more likely to be to simply let people know you exist. Being a smaller company gives you some room to do technical stuff that the big guys are too slow to do quickly, but you still need to get the word out.
It's a challenge, like anything else, and it's fun. It's satisfying to watch sign-up numbers go up, see someone give you a good review on a host rating site, or watch as small communities of people doing Cool Stuff(TM) declare your product and/or service to be to their liking.
I suspect it's different working for a big, bloated company
Where was I? Oh yeah... It's a game, kind of. It's fun to see what ads work, what PR efforts pay off, etc. As long as you do it ethically and don't overdose on your own hype, it's not a bad job to be in... At least in a smaller company.
(Another thing to consider: I'm planning on starting my own software company soon. No matter how well you code or manage a development project, experience in marketing and sales will help you keep your mind on the big picture - even if you hire a full-time marketing guy. At least, that's the theory I'm going on...)
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would allow the US the explot undocumented immigrants even more.
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By chance do you mean illegal aliens?
The only reason they are undocumented is because they're breaking the law and haven't been caught yet.
These euphemisms are seriously getting out of hand. 'Undocumented' indeed.
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If members of the KKK were murdering muslims in Afghanistan, it wouldn't make much sense for Afghanistan to demand the U.S. Government turn over all members of the KKK and destroys its ability to spread hate and inact violence in four weeks. Not only is it contrary to our laws, it's also impossible for the U.S. Government to stamp out all of the KKK in four weeks.
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Two details:
- Al Qaeda is a lot smaller, in terms of geographical reach and in numbers, than the KKK is here.
- Unlike the KKK, Al Qaeda answers to one man. The KKK is a set of fractured groups, some of which are more militant than others. Some just talk a lot.
- 1 month is more than enough. We wouldn't have expected every single Al Qaeda member to be handed over in that time. If they had rounded up Bin Laden and a few dozen of his associates and turned them over to us with the promise of more, we wouldn't be bombing them now.
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... Just not something that would expose our intelligence community to risk.
Why didnt the US show the taliban the "proof" that bin laden is responsible, they have said right from the start that if they were given strong evidence they would consider handing him over.
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Because doing so would have exposed our entire intelligence network.
At best, that intelligence wouldn't work any more.
At worst, that intelligence wouldn't work any more and we would have to deal with the death of hundreds of our informants.
I figure it this way: If the government has plenty of proof, they don't see any reason to give a damn whether the Taliban gets to see it (as they know they were behind it, and know it).
Regardless, strong evidence has already been released
Ever consider that Microsoft had advance access to Aqua and decided to make IE5 'fit' that appearance ahead of time?
I don't know why more people don't get annoyed at that kind of paternalistic garbage.
This kind of attitude 'keeps people down' far more than offering minimum wage jobs ever has. If you keep telling someone that they have no chance to advance, to succeed, and that they'll never get anywhere without handouts, they'll start believing it.
- Jeff A. Campbell
There are a number of us who would rather not have these kind of military interventions either. The amount we spend on policing the world is only matched by the amount we spend bribing it with 'relief'. Both are at taxpayer expense.
If we could have friendly trade with our neighbors, but largely kept our noses out of other countries' business, things would be much better.
- Jeff A. Campbell
Because there are those out there that think that taxing the middle and upper class is a more acceptable way to feed the poor than actually letting them work.
That said, I think that government should stop McDonald's from placing consumers and potential employees at gunpoint, forcing them to eat (or work) there. Oh wait, that's not right...
- Jeff A. Campbell
We (www.dreamhost.com) have spent the better part of the last year and a half writing and tweaking our own control panel interface with all the goodies - billing, domain registration, email aliases, MX records, support form, knowledge base, password management, announcements, adding of MySQL databases, setting up anonftp, and more. It's also skinnable.
:>
It was _also_ a bitch to write, but we've been using it for new customers for some time now. Much better than what we were originally working with.
The panel was designed with use by others in mind (although we mostly wrote it for our own use at the time), and we have discussed licensing it out in the past but I'm not sure what the status of that is. As it is we've had a ton of resellers using it and they've been pretty happy with it.
All this running on Debian Linux w/Apache, MySQL, and written in Perl. So if that's something you're familiar with, it may be worth looking into.
If you're interested, write sales@dreamhost.com with what your plans are and what you need (feel free to ask for my name and I'll try to find out some info).
- Jeff A. Campbell
Facts? FACTS?!?
Get out! Get out! Get out! If someone makes baseless statements about a company they obviously know nothing about, you should never contradict them with the truth. That's just bad manners.
- Jeff A. Campbell
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Sounds good if you believe that the problems in public education stem from teachers and administrators who aren't motivated to solve the problem, and that economic fears will supply that motivation. Exercise for the reader: how many individuals choose a career in public education because they care deeply about economic rewards?
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Actually, this isn't the justification for vouchers at all. Basically, there are two reasons for them:
1. Choice. In a capitalistic society, the theory goes, if a sufficient number of people are dissatisfied with a given choice an alternative will pop up. As it is now the public school system is a monopoly in that if you don't like it the only alternative is another public school (which, for geographic reasons, often isn't an alternative at all). However, if more and more people use private schools the prices should drop considerably, as there is a larger customer base to cater to.
2. Economic. This doesn't have anything to do with how well teachers are paid, but rather the ability of the consumer (parents, children) to vote with their dollars. This basically ties in with #1 above: If being shitty means that a private school is going to lose a student, they'll avoid being shitty. Public schools in comparison only need to worry if the kid shows up in order to keep their funding.
There's also another side benefit, for those of you who want to see public schools get better: They'll have to compete with the private schools, and should (hopefully) get better in their own right. This will add a little accountability to them, which never hurts.
As for some of the other worries: As an agnostic, I understand peoples' concerns about free speech and religion being taught in class, but I don't begrudge the fundamentalist's rights to brainwash their poor children's minds if they see fit (with their own tax dollars). What I do hope for are for non-religious private schools to become more popular, run more like colleges than current high schools. Less emphasis on busy work and more on life skills.
The other thing I think a lot of people forget about the current voucher programs being pushed is that they're only available for areas where the public schools fail. Basically, it's going to start as an experiment in places where they can't possibly do any WORSE than public schools already. In other words, low income areas.
If you don't care for Republicans or conservatives, that's your perogative. But look at vouchers on their own merits - it isn't giving up on public schools, but providing an alternative for those who already have given up on them.
- Jeff A. Campbell
Are you telling me that Mitsubishi, Ford, Honda, Chevy, etc. sell cars without the knowledge that they are used in drive-by shootings, hit and runs, drug trafficking, or similar activities?
Don't let them know, otherwise they will have to be stopped and we'll resort back to walking from place to place.
The only difference is percentage (do more Napster users use it to do 'bad' things than car owners use their cars to do 'bad' things?) and by severity (most people would consider so-called piracy much less severe than drive-by shootings).
- Jeff A. Campbell
Last I heard, you can play RealMedia from within Linux, but not Windows Media files. This is an issue of practicality.
- Jeff A. Campbell
Many artists (particularly those with actual artistic ambition) don't end up on MTV. MTV is simply a place to promote corporate-backed 'bands' to a clearly defined target market, not display musicians of artistic merit.
Which is fine, I suppose, but it'd be nice if real musicians could get paid well too without having to get lucky and sacrifice their artistic freedom.
- Jeff A. Campbell
Oh, and BTW, before someone says something about it:
My beef with Clinton had nothing to do with his affairs. That was between him and Hillary. My beef had to do with the perjury.
- Jeff A. Campbell
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I think the fact that Clinton lied to the country is pretty bad, but Orrin's contemptuous holier-than-thou moral stand on the issue made me sick to my stomach.
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Lots of people have affairs.
But when the person in question:
A) is the President of The United States.
B) lies about it repeatedly in front of Congress and the American people.
...don't you think something should have been done (beyond censure, aka. a slap on the hand)? What point is there to having high expectations of the President if we don't hold him/her to them?
Not to say that Republicans wouldn't do the same thing - some of them probably would. But the assorted crap Clinton was involved in was no better than Nixon, and he should have been dealt the same fate.
And to be honest, while I probably wouldn't vote for him, Hatch doesn't strike me as being Clintonian, so I don't think there's a case of hypocrisy going on here.
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- Jeff A. Campbell
Be careful with the stereotypes. There are lots of us out there who are agnostic, pro-choice, pro-environment individuals who find it ethically corrupt to support the 'redistribution' of weath, class warfare, big government, etc.
I agree with one thing: It has nothing to do with stodginess or age. Socialism is pretty old as well, and yet seems pretty fashionable to many of today's youth. This kind of stuff seems to come and go in waves.
- Jeff A. Campbell
I realize you're probably just trolling, but OS9 is one of the major operating systems out there, as far as marketshare is concerned.
And yes, I realize that Apple's marketshare is pretty low, but it's one of the most - if not the most - popular OSes outside of Redmond. Certainly in the consumer market.
- Jeff A. Campbell
Doesn't look a bit like Mac OS X to me.
Or do you mean that little irrelevent company from Redmond?
- Jeff A. Campbell
With what? Their $150 million dollar investment? Not likely. Even for the old 'poor' Apple that wasn't much.
Jobs saved Apple by coming up with something other than beige boxes. You may not care what color your computer is, but they reinvigorated sales like you wouldn't believe.
- Jeff A. Campbell
Obsession? He just prefers them, and has some HI research to back him up on it.
Obsessive is a bunch of non-Mac users instinctively complaining about the lack of multiple buttons on every single Slashdot story that comes up dealing with Apple. Like one of Pavlov's dogs, really.
Who's obsessive now?
- Jeff A. Campbell
...no man, you've got your stereotype all wrong!
The fashionable stereotype this year is that conservatives sell out to EVIL MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS, most definitely not EVIL CHILD MURDERING DEFENSE CONTRACTORS. It's best to stick with the former this year - as popularized by Ralph Nader and Al Gore - as the latter is so 80's it's not even funny.
Please do keep your stereotypes in sync with your colleagues, though. It's hard to further an agenda when your message is fragmented.
...
BTW: Rumor is that next year they'll be pawns of either BIG TOBACCO or THE LOGGING INDUSTRY. I can hardly wait!
- Jeff A. Campbell