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Carnivore In Living Color
joel jaeggli writes: "The Carnivore talk done by Marcus Thomas from the FBI at NANOG 20 is now online... you can retrieve it from: University of Oregon Videolab. This talk was meant for a technical audience, and the discussion and questions from the audience are very enlightening. Major thanks should go to the folks from Merit/NANOG for managing to schedule this talk, to Marcus Thomas and the FBI for their candor, and the NANOG crowd for asking the important questions."
what's h.261?
to get worse. Carnivore today, omnivore tomrrow.
Is it a Start? yes
Will it really make a difference for privacy in the US? This speech won't but Carnivore definently will be felt for a long time down the rode.
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I hope you have some serious broadband, because this MPEG movie of the talk is 364 MB.
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You are a fucking moron.
The largest single file to date that I have downloaded was 110MB (Elite Force demo). That took one hour. There is no way that I'm spending 3.8 hours just to download a 54-minute video.
Seriously, couldn't they have encoded this in DivX? Even though it is frowned upon by the government, it could've reduced the file size even more.
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
does anyone know of any mirrors of this mpg file?
Though the definition isn't something I can explain, it's an mpeg format.
I sorta thought the context of the article made that pretty clear?
<em>and multicast live in h.261, mpeg-1 and mpeg-2</em>
Though I guess it isn't obvious.
The nick is a joke! Really!
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Just take a look at who you're asking: the U.S. Government. They wouldn't open source the recipe to the Presidential cookies!
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
If I only had something better than my 56k modem to download that movie with. I think that maybe a transcript would help for those who don't have eitheir the time or the high bandwidth to download it. Now on the actual subject of Carnivore. I don't advocate it's implementation knowing what I do about it, yet im not very knowledgable about it. I do know though that it's currently used by the FBI and I hope it isn't implemented on my ISP or I will be getting a call very soon...anyhow I think ill go over to my friends house, he happens to have an 8mbit connection, unlike my poor ass.
"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth." John F. Kennedy
Why can't slashdot spend a little bit of VA's
cash and get themselvs a good mirroring system/box?
I think it would be a little more polite than
foisting crowds of data-hungry slashdotters on
an unsuspecting site.
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they don't mirror stuff because it would not only be dumb, but it would mess with advertising systems which are the only way some sites can exist. Also there are a few hundred other reasons involving copyright law. You know MS would sue the pants off /. as soon as they mirrored something owned by Microsoft.
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Forget open-sourcing Carnivore - just use dsniff!
Use snail mail. Simple and tamper proof. Is that a christmas card to grandma or stealth bomber blueprints, you would never know.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
The problem with that is copyright issues. Private companies can give big enough headache, imagine the feds getting involved. First they would need permission to mirror the content and then some way to pay for (more banners and more stories with FUD summaries).
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
do you think they removed the link because lawyers asked them to (aka, slashdot is now ok with censoring something if a corporate lawyer asks them too) or because the server admin said, "help a brother out, don't link to us" or because the server admin blocked downloads that were referred to by slashdot?
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Is it the FBI having this box, or is it in how they use it? Quite frankly I could survive without knowing the technical details behind the box, I want to be sure that it's being used properly...
Think outside the... Hey, where'd the friggin' box go?
So the Government wants to have access to whatever "bad elements" send over the network. But will they ever be able to do it? This isn't voice we're talking about, this is data. Any "bad element" can encrypt it and make it unreadable by Govt officials in any useful timeframe.
And the Govt knows this, so clearly this isn't their objective. So what is? Mass scanning of John Doe's traffic? Must be.
Now let's look at their own site. An MPEG. How do you mass-scan MPEG files for BadThings(tm)? How do you mass-scan JPEGs? I'd like to know other people's view on this.
free the mallocs!
I am really stupid tonight, but I couldn't seem to find what CArnivore stood for in any of the links, anyone care to share?
You honestly thought they wanted to let you see what they're up to? Back to the salt mines, prole.
-- Anne Marie
Why on Earth do you care what your karma is? If Rob knew any better he would simply make it invisible to everyone so they stop playing these foolish games. It's a meaningless number not some score on who good a poster you are.
There is unlawful 'search' and seizure.
I wonder how far the U.S. thinks it can bend our rights.
Ignore the Anonymous Pissant trolls !!!
Gimme 30 minutes. I will mirror. Url to follow
What do you mean nothing happens? What happens is the score of the article so readers will find such a valuable comment easily, which is the whole point of the moderation system.
Argh think I need some sleep, lets try that again:
What happens is the score of the article is increased so that readers will find such a valuable comment easily. This is the whole point of the moderation system, to give scores to comments NOT to users.
Anytime after 0100 Central you can grab a copy atu pdate.mpg Sorry for delay, best I can do.
ftp://vec.mellender.org/pub/nanog-20-carnivore-
Clay
i'm wondering if anybody asked about the free and open source reimplementation of carnivore, or like, why does carnivore have to be a locked down hardware box that only the fbi has access to? maybe they just want to sell hardware?? uhuh.
security through obscurity is my guess. in which case somebody will steal a box, or obtain illegal access, break the undoubtedly flimsy security (why else would they need to hide it?) and obtain the ability to bypass carnivore, or poison it, and not tell anybody, except perhaps the terrorists that are funding them.
if they want to do this i'd rather see an open competition like the AES selection process.
that'll slow those terrorist bombers down
beep beep beep -- this HTTP link is being monitored by the FBI -- beep beep beep
i wuzn't gonna say anything about my neighbor makin' hootch in his basement, anyway..
beep beep beep -- don't even THINK about using encryption -- beep beep beep
I'm startin' to get used to it already, fnord.
Well, I don't mean to be redundant or to flame VA for not mirroring things, but would some folks post a few mirrors? =)
I tried to set one up but after 30 tries I still couldn't get onto the FTP. Hope someone else is having better luck!
The US government has no interest in its citizens (and pretty much everyone else in the world) using hi-grade data encryption. The NSA, the Skipjack algorithm, the Clipper chip, lawful key escrow requirements, the PGP trials... For instance, CDMA's "encryption" scheme is an RFI-minded (as opposed to security-minded) 42-bit stream cipher, whose keys are exchanged through insecure channels. Still, I've been told by engineers that the system is "pretty much unbreakable". Yeah right. But who'll implement public-key cryptography in wireless communication when there's government pressure to allow them to listen to your (supposedly private) conversations?
Apart from the NSA itself, which employs very good cryptologists (and probably a couple of Deep Crack machines... or is it a couple hundred?), the infrastructure for intercepting communications is there (*cough* Digital Telephony bill *cough*). Perhaps the plot from "Enemy of the State" isn't too absurd after all.
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o re-update.mpg
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but please be nice, will ya:
http://mirror.swma.net/carnivor/nanog-20-carniv
If you blow the box I blow the file
Michael
If you want to e-mail me, use my PGP Key.
Most people are thinking of this as a first ammendment right, and it is in one sense, but the REAL right at issue here isn't the first ammendment, it's the fifth:
You have the RIGHT not to give evidence against yourself.
Prior to actual charges being filed you have the RIGHT to protect yourself in any way possible from intrusion into your affairs. You may encrypt, code, obfuscate, and outright destroy anything you want to, for any reason. It is your RIGHT to have it assumed that all such actions are innocent of any wrong doing. You have a RIGHT to be secure * against government intrusion * into your papers.
Once charges have been actually filed you have the RIGHT to * shut the hell up. * This right to shut the hell up includes the right not to tell them your password, not to give them any key codes, the right not to tell them where you hid stuff, the right not to give a statement, the right not to utter one single blessed word. Speak ONLY to your lawyer.
Use your rights. Encrypt everything. Your laundry list. Your cat's birthday. Your phone conversations. Everything. Use as much personal jargon that will be meaningless to anyone but the intended recipient, ( which could be noone but yourself), as possible. Learn to use steganography and encrypt and code things before you embed them. Use assorted DIFFERENT encryption and encoding techniques.
Destroy everything that is of no more use to you. Don't just delete, destroy. Everytime you reinstall an operating system write 0's to the entire HD first. Eat memos. Just because you now have the power and the space to document your life in exquisite detail dosn't mean it's a good idea. Keep your house, real and virtual, squeaky clean. Throw away old phone bills. Throw away all financial records that current law, ( unconstitutionally), does not require you to retain. Throw away all reciepts except for those things that you WISH to be able to prove ownership of. When I say throw away I don't mean throw away or shred, I mean BURN.
Use cash. They hate that. They're making it illegal by bits.
If called before a grand jury or civil court where it is currently held that the fifth ammendment dosn't apply get a really, REALLY bad memory. Repeat after Reagan. " I don't recall, I don't recall, I don't recall."
These are your rights, use them or lose them
Millions of people communicating simultaneously is no doubt a great benefit of the 'net. The FBI have every right to spy on suspected drug dealers etc over the net. I could care less if they read my mail; I have nothing to hide. Let them slap Top Secret on it; Do I care if they know I downloaded porno over the net? Nope. Hell, I hope they like my selection and add it to their personal bookmarks. The reason I don't give a shit what the FBI does with my mail is that I don't do anything illegal. The FBI hunts criminals, and since I am not one, I have nothing to fear.
But I am afraid of you. The views you espouse in your post show that you are only a few steps shy of being involved in the next Waco, Ruby Ridge, or Columbine. I can only hope that when they do come and get you, for whatever it is you're doing that you don't want the FBI to see, that they don't hesitate and that they don't miss. The FBI exist to protect people like me from people like you. I like that.
BTW, the best and brightest minds are not working on the web - they're working for the military. On weapons. Isn't it great to know that our nations best minds are busy right now contemplating a more complete and clean means of mass and self destruction?
... and that were just the first two discs of Debian 2.2. Well, at least I had a dedicated PC for this so the download didn't stop when some silly game crashed my main machine... *gg*
Fight hunger. Filet a politician and send him to a 3rd world country of your choice.
From what I've heard, the number of actual wiretaps is going up, while the number of times those wiretaps actually contribute to a prosecution is going down.
In fairness to law enforcement, the mere fact that the number of wiretaps is going up is not in and of itself a bad sign, since the amount of communications is going up. However, one would hope that the ratio of (wiretaps that generate evidence used in a prosecution)/(wiretaps) would be holding constant or increasing. From what I've heard, the actual ratio is plummetting - the government is fishing more and more, and getting less and less for it.
I believe that the government should be required to place a specified time limit on any wiretap warrant (time <= 6 months), and at the end of that time either
This would force the government to be more careful in selecting targets to tap. As it is now, if "Murry the Snitch" says I'm selling drugs (because he's on the hot spot and needs to give a name, any name, to the police), and they tap me for a few years and find nothing, then they quietly bury the data without so much as a by your leave. If they had to present to me the data so gathered, and the source of the information leading to the search warrant (does "the right to confront your accusor" ring a bell?), then I could (hell, would) bring suit against the the law enforcement agency involved as well as "Murry".
Of course, this has about as much chance of being passed into law and enforced as freezing a pot of water by placing it on a hot stove.
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MPEGs are cool, but does anyone know where I can find a transcript?
Echelon reputedly covers every square foot of the planet intercepting all forms of electronic communication. It makes anything the FBI's budget can come up with look like a Speak 'n Spell.
Because Carnivore is totally domestic (there's no "wink and nod" agreement with the Brits to spy for us to make it "legal", like Echelon) the discussion should be on the class action lawsuit ISP users should file to stop its use or to disclose the full capabilities of it in its current incarnation.
I believe the Digital Telephony and Wire Act made government backdoors into new comm technology a requirement, but the net was already old tech when that was passed.
Domestic spying is illegal, and a buck from every user on a major ISP would be enough to fund the legal procedings to force the government's hand on this. They work for us, and they must prove that everything is above board.
how ironic they would link warez copies of IPTV to show a tutorial on a program designed to monitor the movements of people who host warez (or as the FBI calls them "intellectual rights terrorists"). http://videolab.uoregon.edu/iptv_license.html
Sometimes, life itself is sarcasm...
At least I'm not a complete moron. :) Try reading the words I type and then applying a little common sense and REASON... and see if you can't discern just a little tiny piece of what my *POINT* was.
Thank you, drive through.
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The only reason that the government was able to get this accomplished is because average people don't consider things that they read on a screen to be as important as what they can hold in their hand.
For example: when someone accesses John Doe's email account, he doesn't get all worried and scared. But, if someone reads one of his snail mail letters, from his dear old aunt, you can bet that he'll be on the phone to the FBI, CIA and NSA demanding that they launch a twelve part investigation into the entire US Mail System.
This may be a slight exaggeration, but you get my drift. I think that the public needs to wake up, and to realize that physical assets are not the most important things anymore; but that information is now the international currency. They need to realize that it is not control of gold or land or weapons that determines who has the power; but it is those that hold the information that control the power.
After all, it may be a cliche, but it is finally true: Knowledge is power. (Incredible, frightning, unlimited power.)
--Cheesethegreat