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blirp writes: "Nokia today anounced the new 9210 Communicator. " Just dual-band support, so it won't work in North America, but great standby and talk time, and just 244 grams in weight. Mmm...
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Additionally, the Nokia 9210 Communicator is the first Nokia product to support the most commonly used PC office applications - such as Windows - and the first with wireless Java support.
Wow, I never realized that Windows was a PC office application.
I guess it runs CE?
We also tend to think of Canada and Mexico as satellite, client or buffer states of the USA. Their presence has protected us from South American and Russian petulance, while at the same time our presence has given them a measure of security and stability. Canada even uses a like-named unit of currency, and the Mexican peso uses the same symbol--the two countries even feel a lot like home when you visit them.
I like Canada. It's clean. People are polite. They have a store called The Beer Store. I don't like their gun laws, their socialism or their metric system, but then I don't live there, so it doesn't affect me. Canada's a neat place, that's for certain.
Canadian Bacon made fun of Americans more than Canadians. IIRC most of the cast were Canadian. I loved it.
Word! For real. And nokia is a company BASED IN FINLAND, so naturally it would be in their best interest to LAUNCH ALL OF THEIR PRODUCTS IN THE UNITED STATES. Wake up people!!!
As I mentioned in another reply, the speakerphone didn't work out for me, plus I tend to do more equipment configuration than email. Part of that config work is web documentation and TFTP serving, so none of the handhelds have been a good fit so far. The HP came closest, but I might as well have been lugging around a laptop.
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The next cell phone I will buy will have to be able to run a java KVM, because writing programs for cell phones is just the coolest. Especially if it has an IR port, then it just opens up so many possibilities. Remote controls for various things, games, and unlock your ( or someone else's) BMW if you got one that has inferred remote locks.
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The 9210 works on Symbian's EPOC operating system, not WinCE. Nokia doesn't go out of their way to call attention to this, but they do mention EPOC on several pages.
You miss an important point. The USofA has 6 different standards for cellular/PCS systems (not to mention SMS and other land mobile standards). This means that our market is very fragmented and not the best target for high volume connectivity. Also, when you change your service you usually have to change your phone, so a big investment in a really fancy phone is not nearly as practical.
I have a Dual-band Qualcomm phone that I used with Sprint. It is technically compatible with those used by Quest, but I had to buy a new phone when I switched to Quest because Sprint refused to release the security codes!
This sort of behavior by US cellular vendors, in addition to the wide standards variance, is why the US way behind in wireless compared to Europe which has a unified (if inferior - TDMA) standard.
The US standards are:
800 MHZ Analog Cellular
900 MHZ TDMA
900 MHZ CDMA
1900 MHZ TDMA
1900 MHZ CDMA
GSM (Global standard used in Europe)
The only good weather is bad weather.
There are companies developing GPS-less solutions for positioning too. The idea is that GSM cells are fairly small, especially in cities, so by determining what cell (and possibly what cells has recently been used) a user is in you can also fairly well pin-point where that user is.
The applications mentioned for this kind of stuff is emergency call support, taxi finding out where a caller really is, or keeping track of employees in the field.
There are interesting privacy/security issues here though!
Lars
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Reality or nothing.
Here's a clue: everything has to appear somewhere first. Whether by milliseconds depending on which customer gets the smoothest credit card swipe, or years because the infrastructure works that way, it doesn't show up everywhere simultaneously.
Let's suppose that the USofA has 90% of the manufacturing capacity in the world. Would that not mean that 10% is elsewhere? And -- guess what -- 10% of the products will show up somewhere other than in the USofA first!
Why do you bitch and moan about "consumer devices" appearing elsewhere first? Did you bitch and moan that the first iOpener didn't appear in Europe first? Did you bitch and moan that Tivo and Replay(sp?) appeared in the USofA first? Are you going to bitch and moan when the first M$ X-box appears in the USofA first?
Hmmmm.... didn't the first cell phones appear here anyway? Oh, you mean the *latest* cell phones! Ah, so does that mean you will bitch and moan when Europe is stuck with their 3G phones and we skip from 2G to 4G? No, I bet not.
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90210 Communicator. The TV show meets Netscape Communicator. My eyes are tricking me again! :(
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9210... the number sounds familiar... Beverly hills 90210 maybe? :)
Anyway, I would like to mention that a new feature has been 'discovered' on some Nokia phone models. The feature is a Police radar detector, (used to catch speeding vehicles) and it can be activated by following these steps:
1. Enter your menu
2. Select settings
3. Select security settings
4. Select closed user group
5. Select on
6. Enter 00000
7. Press ok
Clear back to normal, within a few seconds your phone will display a radar sign with five zero's next to it. It is now activated.
Note: Cell info display needs to be de-activated.
Settings -> Phone Settings -> Cell Info display
Here is an article from a newspaper with a bit more background information:
http://www.theage.c om. au/news/20001116/A52971-2000Nov15.html
What about the Sagem WA 3050? This thing runs WinCE, and is a GSRM phone (3rd gen wireless).
This thing is sleeker, though. But, for raw tech, I think the Sagem at least gives it a run for its money.
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Think about that 244 grams.. what a magical number. *Grin*
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I wonder if it works well? I have owned two Nokia's and didn't realize that they sucked until I got my Motorola Startac, it doesn't have the games, but gee it's sure alot easier to use.
I want small and easy to use, not a the big and hard to use.
it uses WinCE. it looks pretty cool, otherwise - view digicam pix and forward them via email, has built in sound, etc.
sheesh, these things just keep getting smaller and cooler.
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This "dual band" is GSM900 and GSM1800, neither of which is used in US.
Too bad it doesn't have a feature to detect if it is being used by the driver of a moving car, and disable itself.
I've made cellular calls in the US from an area where I'm sure the tower will never see 1,000 people within range at a time, which doesn't sound like much until you realise that this tower is streched to the limits of the possibal range, I'm sure I was more then 10 miles away from it! Thats a lot of area, and not a lot of people in it. Sure the call clarity was bad, but it was analog so at least I could understand it. While I don't claim to know the UK well, I'm confidant that there is no area in the UK that sparesly populated. Your towers that never see more then 1000 people in range (and that is people not cell phones!) cover less then a mile.
Sprint has a license to build a tower anywhere in the US they want to, they don't because there aren't enough potential customers to make it worthwhile. Remember too that they would be the only digital tower in most areas so they would be by default the provider for everyone in the area. Doesn't matter, there still aren't enough people.
From My house to New York is farther then from most houses in Europe to Moscow, and I'm on the east half of North America. Americans are criticised for now knowing geography by everyone else, but everyone around me knows better then to drive to New York for an afternoon, which many Europians I've met think they would to regularly if they lived in my house.
For those that are considering the Nokia Communicator as a handheld computer for connected/mobile use (and I know of one friend that used the first model very successfully for that), the Nokia Phone Card may be a better proposition.
:-)
Being just a PCMCIA type II card which will plug into anything, including potentially Linux machines, this doesn't tie you to the phone manufacturer's idea of what a portable computer or PDA should look like. All we need now is a PCMCIA slot in a Palm.
"The question of whether machines can think is no more interesting than [] whether submarines can swim" - Dijkstra
Dualband means that the phone supports 2 frequencies.
Triband = 3 Frequencies
In Europa, we use 900 / 1800 MHZ for GSM -- Most phones support those two frequencies (that's why dualband)
Most of USA uses 1900 MHZ for GSM
Before you email me, remember: "There is no god!"
AT&T and BT have a strategic alliance ("Advance") to unite TDMA and GSM. They're banking on it.
-- Anne Marie
(There are pictures etc if you roam the site. The European version is being advertised heavily in Europe - it's really cool, and also runs the Epoc operating system from Symbian
it's in my head
And *no* mention of its compute-time. Sure, it has great standby time and reasonable talk time (4hrs)... but when you crack that clamshell and start viewing PowerPoint presentations, how long does that poor little battery last?
Unlike laptops, I doubt many cellphone users are spending their time plugged into wall socket!
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There were many other lighter models available in the shop, but they were too small for comfort IMHO - I would be frightened of losing them. I guess these weigh around 100 grams.
Or could it be you're being ignorant. By dual band, the original poster probably meant 900/1800mhz. 900mhz being extremely popular in Europe, 1800mhz being somewhat popular elsewhere, including Europe. Both being frequencies that the FCC will not/cannot license commercial entities to use for cell phones. In the US and Canada (and possibly Mexico) cell phones operate at 800mhz (AMPS, TDMA, CDMA) or 1900mhz .. the "PCS" band
(TDMA, GSM, TDMA). While GSM is *the* standard for most of the rest of
the world, they've standardized mostly on 900mhz (and 1800mhz). GSM in
the US/Canada is standardized on 1900mhz only, no 800, 900 or 1800mhz. So
a dual-band phone from the UK would most likely work in Vietnam and
Germany, but would not work with the likes of PacBell Wireless.
- alex
NO! - It uses EPOC Release 6 from Symbian (http://www.symbian.com).
Most of the existing software for Release 5 (including Opera e.g. for secure home banking and tons of free & shareware apps - some even open source) can easily be ported and there is a huge enthusiastic user base. Current PDAs that run EPOC R5 include PSIONs (Series 5(mx),Revo,7, netBook), Diamond Mako, Oregon Osaris, Ericson MC218 and R380. EPOC is rock stable (due to it's modern architecture and good memory management) and very fast even on lower spec processors like the ARM7TDMI@36MHz most current devices use.
Why bother?
... mmmmmm :)
As far as I'm aware digital mobile phone communications are encrypted with something like RSA-64 anyway. It's possible to intercept analogue communications, but in the UK these are not really used anymore (at least in cellular comms.)
And with the way dist.net is going, I dont think the RC5-64's going to be broken in the time a normal phone call lasts. Sure, your governing body of choice may have access to the exchanges (court-order wiretaps etc) but that's the law when it comes to most personal communications.
Although I think the Nokia unit in the spotlight here is just eyecandy, or at least proof-of-concept. Like someone mentioned before, I'd much rather take out a Palm Vx and a Nokia 8850 than one of these anyday.
Or the Palm Vc when it comes out
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
Yes, it does support SSL. And 128-bit encryption, too. (You should see my 6210 - it contains all sorts of interesting warnings about how it contains encryption technology which may not be imported into certain countries, yadda yadda.)
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Direct quote from http://www.nokia.com/phones/9210/apps_internet.ht
The Nokia 9210 Communicator supports frames and Java, so you can view Web pages in their original form and in color. It also supports SSL, the security protocol.
It's really an amazing leap forward. Oh, and it's unmetered flat-rate - I prepaid for a year of service for $825. About as expensive as DSL or cable, but mobile and just about as fast as the low-end offerings for each.
-Isaac
I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. For Entertainment Purposes Only.
The hip pack CPU with a wire / wireless connection to
- monocle / monitor
- headphones
- keyboard / tablet / game controller(?!)
- modem
- printer
would be great.I just can't wait to have a dual PPC with half a gig of RAM on my hip... BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!
How many people move around so much that a GPS is actually useful? Mounted in a boat I understand. 4-wheel-drive, outback adventures sure. But just wandering around during the normal course of life? Can't you people read maps or something?
"dual band" refers to the phones ability to communucate using two different frequecy bands (not at the same time). Basically, most parts of Europe use one fequency band (eg. 900 MHz) while parts of Africa and Asia use another (1800 MHz).
The nokia phone only supports one standard (GSM) in different frequencies. Here in the US we don't use GSM, we use CDMA or analog. Someone mentioned that they have a "dual band" phone in the US. What they have is a "dual-mode, dual band" phone. This means that it can handle two different standards (dual mode) and the two different frequencies (dual band) needed depending on if the phone is in CDMA or analog mode.
Sorry guys, you're not the centre of the world for everything.
Not sure where the centre of the world *is* for techno toys right now, but the combined population of Europe is pretty similar to the USA, with a lot of mobile telephonic innovation happening by Nokia and Ericsson. Somebody want to give me a figure for the Asian market for mobile technology?
I went to a lecture recently on iMode with a speaker from mOgilvy (Japan) and the speaker made an excellent point about access to the internet/ other info services via mobile telephone interface for Asian countries. Sure, the interface sucks, but if your mother tongue isn't written down using a Latin character set, well then a standard PC keyboard sucks big style. So a well designed mobile phone/ small screen touch and click interface can be an awful lot easier to use. Apparently the end of this year will see the mobile phone overtaking the PC as the prime entry point to the internet for people in Japan.
IMHO I reckon you're going to see an awful lot more products developed with the USA seen as a subsidiary rather than primary market.
1. Try looking something up on it while making a telephone call -- "uhm, yeah, uh, can I call you back, I have to look it up in my phone..." ;-)
2. Too small to type, too small to read, too big to hold up to ear for extended length of time.
3. I'd hate to try and get my data back off this puppy after it took a swim in the urinal. My phone doesn't store anything more than a few numbers, and I don't use my Palm until I am safely seated.
What I really want is a speaker/microphone with a magnetic off-switch glued to my mastoid or other suitable place, and RF linked to my Startac, with special software to listen for voice dialing commands. I want a Palmtop that has a screen like the old HP 360LX, wide enough to get 640 pixels across, but works like a Palm with a touch screen. And make it about twice deep (480 pixels), Also, I want the two week battery life, even if I have to go to monochrome to get it.
I know what I want. How come I never get invited to focus groups?
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Links if it was a serious question...
man page for openbsd fsck
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It's pretty cool, but it's a friggin' brick compared to everything else. You're better off carrying an 8290 or an 8890 and an Ipaq or PalmOS device. You can use the IR on the phone to link your palm device up to your ISP and do whatever you need on that. I don't carry my Palm everywhere, but I do carry my phone everywhere with me. Having the 2 glued together would annoy me.
I have an 8260 now. I want the 8290 or 8890 for the cool GSM features, but ATT Wireless doesn't support GSM yet. Anyone know if they plan on it? I don't want to lose the number I've had for like 6 years, but to get GSM capability, I might be willing to.
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Why is it that the states are the absolute last to get new consumer devices? Game consoles, cell phones, etc. About the only thing we get first on this side of the ocean is movies, and those usually reek.
In this truly global economy, why aren't things globally launched, and if their aren't enough units then why aren't they launched right here in the sweet U.S. of A. more often?
All these features and not the one I'd really want: encrypted communication. With so much DSP power available, why not?
Yet again, most people use license plates and birthdates for their bank account passwords, among others. Not considering the government and conspiracy theories.
Flavio
Get a life all you dual band whiners! Dual band just means that the phone can work in two frequency bands. The 9210 works in the 900 MHz & 1800 MHz bands which are standard in Europe. In the U.S. the standard frequencies for GSM are 800 MHz, and 1900 MHz, so the 9210 won't work in the U.S. However, there are dual band phones (GSM, CDMA, and TDMA) that work on the U.S. frequencies (800 MHz & 1900 MHz). A tri-band phon (800/1800/1900) is usually needed to work in both the U.S. and Europe).
Wow... I have had a serious Nokia fetish since my first phone (3110, three years ago). Since then I've had the 6110 (as it was small) and currently the 7110 (as it has WAP). I've tried other phones, notably the startac, and the software just isn't as good, as intuitive.
This EPOC OS is the first fruit of the Symbian Relationship, stewarded by Nokia and Psion as an alternative "Consumer Electronics" (I know, it doesn't stand for that) platform for those in the world who don't kowtow to M$ dominance. And good luck to them.
As this phone has "Third party software development capability" and supports "pure" W3 html and java, I guess we should all get excited by it. It is pretty /.able.
Anyway, I'm off to see what they cost over here (less than a PS2, I'll bet) and I'll leave all you nice colonials with your chunky, insecure analogue models. Sometimes we do come first!
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"Just dual-band support, so it won't work in North America"
I guess I'll have to return my Dual-band phone that I've been using the last year, as dual-band support seems to not work here in North America.
Funny I swear I've been able to make and receive calls all year......
Or it could be that people forget CANADA is PART OF NORTH AMERICA!
and dual-band phones work here fine.
Would be the addition of GPS capabilities. That would seem to be about the one thing extra that I could think of that would be useful in an all-in-one device like this. GPS isn't catching all too fast, but I think it is more because the devices are cumbersome/overpriced. I would buy one of these in a second if they could add GPS support to the unit.
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Is the same phone featured on The Saint?
Most of the time, when I need a keyboard, it's to TELNET and configure a piece of equipment or to act as a TFTP server, so my needs are not typical, perhaps.
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Funny thing how nobody here mentions that it runs Java. In my opinion, that's one of most important features on this. It's no Java 2 ME either, with KVM that has such a crappy GUI toolkit it's hardly worth mentioning. No sir, it's a full Personal Java implementation and there's a good SDK for it, downloadable at www.symbian.com, where you can also get the C++ SDK for the Epoc OS. Now before anyone says "write once, debug everywhere", I can tell you that I've actually coded Java apps that were run on the Epoc OS (a Psion 5mx device) and I could code everything from scratch on my desktop and just move the code to the Psion and everything worked right away, without *any* changes to the code - no problems what so ever.
Now thing about what you can do.. RMI to do distributed & mobile apps (remote control your sauna, VCR & whatnot), JDBC to databases, games.
The real strength here is that they have good free SDK's for it so there will a flood of applications for the phone - and those apps will be compatible with all other Epoc devices, such as those made by Psion and Ericsson and perhaps a little later, by Motorola.
What is happening here is a clear division of the mobile industry into Epoc & Java vs. Windows CE. Don't miss what's going on! This is the next "browser war"!