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Cross The Atlantic Ocean In 3 Days - By Ship

Mr. Anonymous writes: "I keep wondering where do they find such stuff. ZZZ online is updated again, with issue #69. They write about FastShip - a 250 meters long water jet ship able to cross the Atlantic Ocean in 3 days. Speedy beast :-) It can also carry 10,000 tons of cargo." Note that this should all be couched in hypotheticals -- but I'd sure prefer to travel to Europe one day by boat than plane, and 2003 isn't that far from now.

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  1. Damage to coastlines by nut · · Score: 4

    About 5 or 10 years ago in New Zealand they started operating some larger and faster cataraman ferrys between the north and south islands. The ferrys travel for most of their journey through an area called the Marlborough Sounds, which is mostly national park, and an area of great beauty, and value in terms of tourism and conservation. Recently there has been a lot of controversy over their operation as it was found that the wake from these boatswas doing real damage to shorelines in the sounds, i.e. basically destroying the habitat of all those small cratures that live right on the edge of the water. I'm not sure how exactly long these boats are, but on the order of about 100 metres I would guess. So large fast boats can have serious environmental consequences, especially in coastal waters.

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  2. Re:surely boats would be inherently less efficient by nut · · Score: 5

    No, not in terms of energy efficiency. If you have a displacement hull that is not travelling faster than it's hull speed (a theoretical maximum speed for a hull that is not planing, directly related to the waterline length) then the hull is effectively riding its own wave, and there is very little drag at all. If you carry a lot of wait through the air you have to use a lot of energy just to keep that weight up in the air. With a boat the displaced water supports that weight, and you only have to use energy to move that mass horizontally.

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  3. But then... by gvonk · · Score: 3

    Tom Hanks will NEVER get rescued.
    ...Cue visual of Hanks running down the beach with the flashlight, stops, looks: The boat moves all the way across the horizon in about 5 seconds...

    "Damn, Wilson! Another Fastboat"


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  4. Re:Wow! 10,000 tons of crack cocaine! by wobblie · · Score: 3

    no. no one imports crack directly, it is imported as coke then cooked into crack right here in the good USA.

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  5. Re:surely boats would be inherently less efficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5

    I think that you got that wrong; a ship at hull speed is not riding it's own wave, it is sailing up it's own wave. Ships require a lot of power at hull speed because of this. Once they get over the hull speed (planing) the power requirement drops a bit but is still relatively high to that of a displacement type hull.

    For displacement at low Froude numbers (dimensionless parameter: Fn=V^2/(g*L)) the power requirement is roughly proportional to the square of the velocity. At higher Froude numbers the effect of the ship sailing up it's own wave becomes greater and the power requirement becomes a lot higher. typically ships will have it's highest resistance when approaching hull speed...

    Transportation by ship is much more efficient at low Froude numbers. Fast ships are relatively inefficient (Have you ever noticed the gas consumption for an outboard engine on a typical speed-boat ?). A good example of a displacement ship that often sails at near hull speed is a tug boat when it is not tugging anything; it has massive amounts of installed horsepower but a very short waterline length.

  6. Cargo Only -- Not People by scotpurl · · Score: 3

    Face it. Per unit of cubic space, transporting people earns far less money than transporting material goods.

    If anyone has used the American rail system, they know this. Passenger trains are often shunted aside to wait for higher-value, but slower freight traffic to pass.

  7. press release fodder? by LinuxParanoid · · Score: 3

    I wonder how much of the article was press release fodder. The claim that transporting objects typically takes 21 days is just BS. That probably includes red tape and loading, which the 3 day figure probably doesn't. My one experience in transatlantic travel took me 6 days on the fairly hefty QE2-- looking it up, it weighs 70,000 tons. Transporting 10,000 tons in 3 days is definitely an advance but I don't quite see anything revolutionary about it.

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  8. emergency aid. by perdida · · Score: 4

    Only now I realized that the only affordable way to transport different goods across the ocean is using a ship (airplanes can't be used to transport everything, they are too expensive). This only way usually takes 21 days and this is a great waste of time. FastShips will be able to change this situation - using them even at the very beginning will be 10 times cheaper than using an airplane. The company is going to manufacture four sea monsters and start the trial operations in the second half of 2002. The commercial operations will begin in early 2003.

    This ship can hustle that emergency aid out to poor people faster and cheaper than in a plane, man. Much higher aid costs/transportation costs ratio with a Fastship.

    Think about how much better earthquake-beleaguered India would be doing if 100 fastships made a beeline for it the day of.

    -perdida

  9. SS United States :3 days, 10 hours and 42 minutes by N8F8 · · Score: 4

    The SS United States was the brainchild of one of the world's foremost marine architects, William Francis Gibbs. His dream was to build a passenger ship that was faster, safer and more technologically advanced than anything else afloat. It was truly a construction project that challenged conventional thinking. In 1952, his dream became a reality when the SS United States crossed the North Atlantic in 3 days, 10 hours and 42 minutes averaging 35.59 knots (65.48 km/hr or 40.96 mph). The design characteristics encompassing the United States read straight out of a James Bond novel, many remaining classified by the Navy well into the late 70's:

    To read more go to S.S. United States Homepage.

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  10. This kind of thing is dangerous for slow ships... by magic · · Score: 3
    I never considered collisions between ships much of a problem (I mean, hey, there's a lot of ocean out there) until I sailed a 48' sailboat across an ocean. It turns out that the ocean is pretty crowded.

    In 14 days of sailing, we had to change course five or six times to avoid collisions with tankers and other large shipping vessels. A fast ship would have made this impossible. On the open ocean, you can't see farther than about 4 miles around you (that dang curved earth thing). A large, fast moving ship would plow through anything less than 100' long because it wouldn't even notice them and they wouldn't be high enough to see it coming.

    -m

  11. Also an article in Scientific American by JeffL · · Score: 4
    There is also an article about FastShip in Scientific American which explains a bit about the hull design.

    Of course the article is old (10/97?) and states that service between Philedelphia and Europe should start in 2000. I guess they are a bit behind their earlier estimates. The computerized photo on ZZZ is has more detail than the computerized photo at SciAm, so I guess they have done something in 3.5 years.

  12. the technology by zorn · · Score: 3

    According to the inventor's article on the Scientific American site, the FastShip really does plane. He calls it a "semi-planing" hull. This occurs becuase the FastShip has slight concavity to its hull in the stern. Supposedly, this lifts the stern and helps eliminate drag. Oh yes, I would imagine that any ship that can carry cargo would be able to handle passengers as well, but what passengers want to make that trip?
    Zorn

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  13. what about the noise? by xeno · · Score: 5

    Seems that a boat with multiple high-power turbines moving a 750' hull at 50mph would make a hell of a racket. Has anyone considered the amount of damage this noise level would do to ambient marine life (particularly large marine mammals)? Would any environmentally-conscious nation allow this to operate in its waters? It seems like this design might make most of the crossing in a short time, but spend several days slowly coming into and leaving each port. Hmm.

    my $0.02
    Jon

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    1. Re:what about the noise? by nomadic · · Score: 5

      Would any environmentally-conscious nation allow this to operate in its waters?

      Since an environmentally-conscious nation doesn't seem to exist right now, they shouldn't have any trouble...
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  14. surely boats would be inherently less efficient.. by CarrotLord · · Score: 3
    than air-based devices... Surely if someone could build something with the same kind of speed and payload, that flew or hovered somehow, it would be more efficient -- air provides much lower drag than water...

    rr

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  15. Supervillian Supplies by nobody69 · · Score: 3

    Is it just me or does a lot of the stuff in the ZZZ archive sound like supervillian supplies - superfast ships, mesicopters, exoskeletons, laser freezing guns, personal robotic assistants, microsubmarines, smart dust, etc., etc.

    Maybe we should send in 007 and/or the JLA to check it out? Or better yet The Authority:)

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