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Silicon LED

Ian writes "Scientists at the University of Surrey have developed an LED made entirely from silicon. This is a different approach to optoelectonics which had previously concentrated on nanocrystals. Full report from Nature, also coverage from the BBC, stand back and watch the patents fly (although in this case they are much more deserved)."

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  1. Re:This could be the breakthrough we need. by Yarn · · Score: 2

    > They're making pixels out of *transistors* now?

    See TFT: Thin Film Transistor.

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  2. Still dropping same voltage? by _14k4 · · Score: 2

    I wonder if this means they'll still drop the same voltate as a normal, red, led drops. It would be nice if they dropped say, hardly anything, and were cheap. Just because I want that night-rider led thing for my kick ass Hyundai. (Please, note the sarcasm there.)

  3. Kind of News by HardCase · · Score: 2
    It's not new that silicon can be made into LED's. At Rochester Institute of Technology (for one), they've been doing it with porous silicon. While it's an expensive and difficult way to get a blue LED, it does work.

    -h-

  4. Re:this is clearly a hoax... by Stephen · · Score: 2
    I think Britain has actually won more noble prizes in total than the US
    Trinity College, Cambridge has won more than France. Err... that wasn't really relevant, was it?
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  5. this is clearly a hoax... by gattaca · · Score: 2

    There's no such place as Surrey in America.

    1. Re:this is clearly a hoax... by YU+Nicks+NE+Way · · Score: 2

      So what? So there's the podunk place called "eng-bland" or some such -- all the electronics work worth doing is done right here in America: all microchip research is done by Intel, all operating systems are made by Microsoft, and all boxes are designed by Dell.

    2. Re:this is clearly a hoax... by nick255 · · Score: 2

      Please tell me you're joking. There are many universities outside of America doing very good research. In fact I think Britain has actually won more noble prizes in total than the US, although someone might like to correct me on this. Anyway, I'm going off-topic.

    3. Re:this is clearly a hoax... by Rentar · · Score: 2

      Well ... an how about the rest of the world? Sometimes I really hate all those america-centric ppl.

      http://www.surrey.ac.uk/ (notice the .uk?)

    4. Re:this is clearly a hoax... by s1r_m1xalot · · Score: 2
      Unless they've been giving Noble Prizes in Funkology to Prince or Sir Mix-a-Lot... :)

      They have.

      I myself was recently awarded Harvard's prestigous "Noble Prize in the Musical Arts" for my hit song "Baby Got Back." In my acceptance speech, I spoke on how honored I was to contribute to the degredation of America's culture.

    5. Re:this is clearly a hoax... by DetritusX · · Score: 3

      "...I think Britain has actually won more noble prizes in total than the US..."

      I would imagine they would, seeing as the US doesn't have a recognized nobility. Unless they've been giving Noble Prizes in Funkology to Prince or Sir Mix-a-Lot... :)

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  6. Re:Next barrier in sight! by j-beda · · Score: 2
    I remember when 56K modems came out and we were told they would virtually rip a hole in the space-time continuum. Suddenly we've got 2mb ASDL sockets in the wall, that can do simultaneous voice & data. What da f????

    The 56K modems push up against the limits of the telephone voice network which has a maximum bandwidth designed to carry voice transmissions. There is no way to push more information through the voice telephone system than this bandwidth limitation of the system itself. (ok, there are ways of using multiple lines/circuits, but that is cheating...)

    The various "DL" technologies do not use the telephone voice system in this way, and thus are not limited by this bottleneck. In fact, most of the "DL" systems have enough room to provide the bandwidth necessary for voice in addition to the larger amount provided for data - which is why you can talk on the phone and use your internet connection at the same time with only one line.

  7. Re:This could be the breakthrough we need. by doctor_oktagon · · Score: 2

    Display technology just keeps advancing at such a pace it reminds me of moore's law in the microprocessor world. First it was LEPs and now this.

    No, if display technology kept up with Moore's law, we would all have sub £100 29" flat-panel monitors on our desks!

    An amazing percentage of computer systems still use extremely old-tech monitors (maybe 99%?) I don't actually know anywhere (outside of dealing rooms or comms rooms) where people order modern-tech monitors rather than some so-big-it's-got-gravity cream-coloured monitor!

    I also apologise for over use of the "-" char today ... I don't know what's come over me.

  8. British? by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 2

    but it's a well known fact that the best engineers are imported from england.

    For sure!

    Why is it that the British like warm beer?

    Because Lucas makes refrigerators.


    Hmmm...

    British Reliant. American Reliant. (Yeah, okay, it's actually a Canadian Reliant now living in Scotland.)

    At least North American Reliants have 4 wheels. So there.

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  9. Re:They exist! by billcopc · · Score: 2

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  10. Re:You ass by NigelJohnstone · · Score: 2

    Britain has everything America has plus we have and electricity aswell to run our new silicon LEDs with... :->

  11. Nice, but still doesn't fix the REAL problem? by Goldenhawk · · Score: 2

    IANAEE, but it seems to me that this won't really help. Reading the Nature article reveals that creating these SLEDs (new acronym? Silicon LED?) requires doping the silicon with boron, then heating it to 1000 deg C.

    The stated purpose of this invention is to ease the integration of optics and silicon-based electronics - ostensibly to allow chip designers to fabricate an LED directly on the same chip, without having to "scab" on a separate LED to talk to the optics.

    Is this boron doping and superheating process really going to be compatible with general chip fabrication procedures? Maybe a real EE can answer that.
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  12. Is it really LEDs? by juliand828 · · Score: 2

    After reading both the Nature and BBC articles, I'm not sure that they are really talking about opto-electonics, although it might be used for such.

    Instead I think they may be using this to emit the energy loss of silicon circuits in the visible spectrum, rather than IR.

    As we all probably know, today's CPU's run extremely hot, just look at all the comments about the new Apple titanium notebook. Getting rid of this excess as light instead would be an immense benefit. And would mean small faster CPU's without the need for a cyrogenic cooling system.

  13. Great news by ralmeida · · Score: 3
    Perhaps this will enlighten Silicon Valley a little bit?

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  14. From the BBC radio interview... by Andy_R · · Score: 3
    ...which went into more depth than the article:

    The real benefit of this is that these silicon light emitters can fairly easily be fabbed in existing chip plants wthout requiring the 'start from scratch' of other optical computing tecnologies.

    This technique should (according to the invetor) provide a way of building hybrid practical electronic/optical chips very soon. He particularly mentioned the clock distribution problem that /. had a big discussion on few days back as being one of the first applications he expects to see for this technology.

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  15. Re:Hey, that should give the Hollywood guys a brea by doctor_oktagon · · Score: 3

    If someone gets going a transparent cube with lots of transparent chips blinking very fast in different colors... well, all I can say is they will get a lot of free coverage in the next major films.

    It's already been done in Blakes 7 (spectacular BBC TV sci-fi series from the 80s).

    Computer was called Orac, and had a spectacularly cheesy pseudo-computer-generated voice!

    To quote:
    Orac was described by its creator, Ensor, as being beyond a simple computer but rather being a brain, a genius.

    Sounds just like b1ll Gates describing Win2K ;-)

  16. Optical Computing by Alien54 · · Score: 3
    Plainly a step in the direction of optical computing.

    Although details like the reaction time of the optical effect are missing. In a world where many things are measured in nanoseconds, if these things react in millionths, for example, then this will limit the applications.

    Interesting all the same.

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  17. More info by stubob · · Score: 3

    I submitted this story too. More information from Yahoo(via Reuters). They mention how it works, something with dislocations, loop-flaws in the silicon. The press release from U-Surrey is here. Google also claims to have indexed their paper here but accesss is forbidden.

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  18. Hey, that should give the Hollywood guys a break! by OpenSourced · · Score: 3

    I mean, they really miss the old times when they could represent computers with lots of blinking red lights!

    If someone gets going a transparent cube with lots of transparent chips blinking very fast in different colors... well, all I can say is they will get a lot of free coverage in the next major films.

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  19. Silicone LEDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4

    "Flashing your tits" gets a whole new meaning :)

  20. They exist! by HarryTuttle · · Score: 4

    It's long been a rumour, but finally...

    Silicon-based light forms!

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  21. Re:Let there be light by trentfoley · · Score: 4
    Perhaps I'm missing something here, but I don't think the point of this research directly relates to transmission of data over fibre. I see it more as an improved interface between the optical and electrical world that has potential to be much more efficient. My reason for thinking this way has to do with the paragraph in the Nature article:

    But the light-emitting devices needed to do this can't be built into silicon circuits. They rely on semiconducting materials that don't sit comfortably on silicon chips, and so they have to be mounted separately in the awkward hybrid technology 'optoelectronics'. The physical separation of light emitters and electronic circuitry is a bottleneck to further miniaturization, and so to greater processing power and speed.
    Nor do I see this applying to flat-panel display technology, or electronic paper for that matter.
    Then again, having been married for over 10 years, I know that I'm almost never right about anything.
  22. Re:Indirect bandgap. by swm · · Score: 5
    That's the whole point of this invention.

    The number of momentum states is (essentially) equal to the number of Si atoms in the crystal. So if you make a crystal with only a few atoms, you only get a few momentum states.

    That may push the bands around so that you get a direct band gap,

    OR

    That may make it possible to get a significant carrier population in the zero-momentum state, even though that isn't the lowest energy state.