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coder_cc writes "ICANN posted a Preliminary Report on their Melbourne ICANN Board Meeting and it looks like the public's dissatisfaction with the gTLD process is finally getting to them. Under a lot of board- and committee-speak (yukk) they urge their President to complete negotiations for the new gTLDs and set themself a time-limit of only 7 days to comment on the eventual negotiation results. Without negative feedback in seven days, the ICANN President is authorized to go ahead and sign the agreements.
But don't hold your breath, the Board still CAN make comments and hold this up for a long time."
Like USENET, DNS needs a .ALT top level domain where domain names are strictly first come first serve and where domain name lawsuits are barred.
Without a garbage dump where anything goes, the trash will just clutter up all the other TLDs.
How to enforce this. Make it a condition of getting or renewing or even just keeping an existing domain name, that you agree not to sue and indemnify and hold harmless all *.ALT domain names.
You're describing host naming in the early days of the Internet - ARPANET and so on.
DNS was created with a hierarchial namespace to allow more names - pity the greedy bastards had to go and ruin it by registering ourgreatbigcorporation.*
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believe it or not, porn sites make money from paying customers. neither of which do much of thier buisness at libraries or schools
public's dissatisfaction with the gTLD process is finally getting to them
ICANN isn't responsive to the public. They're responsive to companies paying to register domains. More likely they're moving to stem the rising tide of alternate naming organizations.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
High levels of regulation would be required to achieve otherwise, and the global nature of the internet makes this difficult at best.
.misc's. .la)
With it been lack of regulation (ever relaxation of regulation) which has left us with the mess of a pile of
It must be possible to return to the level of regulation which once existed though.
A large part of the problem is most likely the reluctance of Americans to use their geographic TLD (and appropriate sub domains) even to the point of hijacking other countries domains (e.g.
Maybe another level of hierarchy is more than the average consumer's (joe sixpack user) limited mental model capacity can handle?
Maybe they have simply adapted their "mental model capacity" to meet the expectations of the "adverts".
How do they cope with telephone numbers, especially in places like the US where there can be complex rules as to what you actually need to dial?
My school, umich.edu, also registered umich.com, umich.org, umich.net - and they are completely unused. What's the point then? It should just be "umich."
.edu, most of the universities have domain names like uni-freiburg.de. Using the country code actually makes more sense than using .edu.
.edu should actually be .edu.xy.us. with a few very well known organisations under also available as .edu.us.
Which could eaily clash with with some other entity elsewhere.
The problem here is that domain names are being treated like "trademarks" when really they are closer to telephone numbers or even postal addresses.
In other countries, such as Germany, where I guess they can't/don't want to use
Probably because "edu" is meaningless in German. They could have gone for freiburg.uni.de. Interestingly it has been known for the German postal service to deliver letters with just an email address on.
Maybe most of
DNS was created with a hierarchial namespace to allow more names - pity the greedy bastards had to go and ruin it by registering ourgreatbigcorporation.*
Even bigger pity the people involved in running the system were unable to say NO. There is also the anyproductofGBC.* being registered as well.
All it would have needed would have been a rule of "Is the entity requesting foobar.com a commercial entity trading internatinally called foobar, as a legal or recognised trading name?"
MOV for movie sites (the DotCom is running pretty thin because of movies)
Or even ".mov.ent" or ".films.ent". You could also have ".tv.ent", ".actors.ent", ".characters.ent", etc.
"...it would be much easier for schools and libraries to filter explicit porn..."
.XXX domains like the plague; or
.xxx and .com / .net domains;
.com namespace is concerned.
Which is why, in the absence of legislative mandate, any profit-maximizing entity would either:
1) Avoid
2) Register both
Which puts you back at square one, as far as
Everyone will start to cheer when you put on your sailin' shoes.
Great, now there will be a plethora of website names in IBM extended ASCII D00dspeak that nobody's going to be able to type in.
There are quite a few alternate root server networks available. Try www.alternic.org or www.opennic.unrated.net, or http://www.pacificroot.com/ for example.
.tld's that other people are already using.
And, unlike new.net, the others most of the time try to get along and not declare new
DO support alternate DNS systems. DO NOT support new.net, they're just another bunch of corporate weasels who don't give a shit about anyone other than themselves.
www.yadayada.com
www.yadayada.org
www.y
www.yadayada.edu?
Why not just have the domain name an alphanumeric string, and let these sites delineate themselves as
yadayadaCorporationa dayadaNetworking, or
TheyadayadaFoundation
y
yadayadaUniversity?
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When is ICANN going to realize that DNS is not rocket science? And when is the internet citizenry going to realize that they DO have a choice in their namespace? I mean, do you just accept all the defaults when you install an OS or an application? Of course not, you choose the options that are right for your needs and purposes. The choice of namespace should be the same way.
My 2 cents.
Claim your namespace.
We've seen ICANN abuse its authority before; who is limiting the debate on issues really going to help?
Karma: Bored. (Thinking about resurrecting the "Anyone else is an imposter" joke.)
Whereas:
Mike Roberts today completes his service as ICANN's first President and Chief Executive Office...
As a direct result of his efforts ICANN as now universally acclaimed as "not as bad as it could be";
I mean, hey, at least they don't take themselves too seriously up there in their cathedral!
Karma: Bored. (Thinking about resurrecting the "Anyone else is an imposter" joke.)
TLD confusion is very real. I own Downside.com, which has financial information. I get misaddressed mail intended for:
At first, I just ignored the misaddressed stuff, but I was getting misaddressed mail like "Why don't you answer my E-mail? Don't you love me any more?", and similar outpourings of teen angst.
So I routed incoming mail through SpamCop to bounce the drivel. The worst problem was students at Downside School signing up for mailing lists using "downside.com". All that stuff just bounces now.
So that's what it's like when you have a good name shared by different sites in different TLDs. (I've trademarked "DOWNSIDE", so I don't have to worry about that problem.) It's confusing.
Honestly... http://pie.shop has been resolving for me and millions of other people for quite a while now. If you're a DNS server admin, enabling their domains is easy as a breeze. If you don't have the power to change your DNS server, you can either modify your resolv.conf on a unix system, or download a plugin for windows.
If you ask me, it surely beats waiting for ICANN and their ridiculous prices/timeframes. After all, they have no friggin power over the free Internet whatsoever! They just like to think that, because big corps are behind it.
New.net has organizations like @Home, Earthlink, and mp3.com supporting them. I'd say we need to hurry up and put ICANN out of business while it still doesn't have its hands on our throats.
It's really no sweat to activate it. Try it today. http://www.new.net/
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Like USENET, DNS needs a .ALT top level domain
OpenNIC already has the .null TLD, which is similar to the alt.* hierarchy of Usenet. The .parody domain could cut down on reverse domain name hijacking by parody targets.
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MOV for movie sites
Apple would love this.
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That was the original intent. Today there's not much hierarchy. Whatever server "knows" .com has a more or less complete list of all the domain names. Ok, there's .edu, .net, .org, .mil, and country names, but .com is so much larger than effectively one database holds all the names.
When talking about things "ought to be", I'm suprised that so little is mentioned about introducing more heirarchy. Maybe another level of hierarchy is more than the average consumer's (joe sixpack user) limited mental model capacity can handle?
About the speed-up... does anyone else see this as an attempt to bypass the growing pressure they're under for having made such arbitrary decisions without any accountability for the basis behind them?
Maybe I'm overly suspicious... ICANN's got such a clean record, I'm sure they'd never do anything like...
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Now that alot of people have seemed to realize that a fancy generic name (or highly specific one for that matter) and a few banner ads aren't going to change the world/cure cancer/make everybody involved gobs of money/etc err, what does this matter? Can people really hold names hostage for thousands or millions of dollars now, if the entire e-commerce thing is bullshit?
.sex domain (which I would have loved, because I could then have clicked a button in the browser and filtered out ALL content from it therefore getting rid of those damn pr0n pop up banners, yippy!) there is really NO point in there being any more TLDs!
Well, mabye not entirly bullshit, but hell, CONTENT QUALITY over everything else, right? Tomshardware.com hardly a fancy ass name with that cybersquatters would think of taking up, but hell, over 20 millions unique visitors a month.
Hardocp.com Heh, once again, not exactly a rare top notch get it now name, who would have thought it would be THAT successful? (no offense intended, those guys totaly rock;)
ars-technica.com Heya, Latin for ya, I don't exactly see very many people cybersquatting all possible Latin names1
Slashdot.org err, need I say more?
www.mp3.com Hey, here is a good example of a good name being USED for something nice! I typed it in one day expecting to find another lameo MP3 top 10 massive link page, but I was pleasently surprised when it turned out to be chalked full of high quality content, and lots of it too!
Without all the cybersquatting, it turns out that TLD are hardly in need. In fact, there are ALOT of good names out there that nobody is currently using, or are being mothballed because a great idea never got off the ground. The only use for TLD that I could see is content filtering, and with there being no
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Cool! Now HotWetSluts.com can be put to LEGITIMATE use. :)
Imagine a world without ICANN. A world Whereas, an Ad Hoc Group on Numbering and Addressing was not convened for discussion of these issues.. A world without TLD's.. Just the word.. no 'dot' anything..
Well heck, I think we should just stick to IP numbers, and limit the influx of spam clicking mouthbreathers, but then again, I may be an elitist pig..
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I don't think I've ever seen an allegedly representative body so disconnected from the group it represents.
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Taking this out of context, I don't recall myself or anyone I know of posting any kind of public opinion of any kind in relevance to TLD's. Maybe what ICANN should have done is sent an email to existing domain owners in order to get some form of feedback in regards to new TLD's
This does not mean that the new TLD's will be out and about within 7 days, what it means is when all board member have made any comments, the board is then allowed an additional 7 days to add comments. Whats not known is if any board members point out a problem or deficiency, if the board goes back through the entire procedure again.
I used to work at Register.com and remember whenever ICANN made some noise the CEO and others would quickly brainstorm with lawyers in order to understand some of the enigmatic policies ICANN would sometimes introduce. Knowing more or less what ICANN is and what ICANN does, I feel bad for the non-profit organization, as they have to deal with what I call "brats on the Internet".
This ruling though will not speed up the introduction of the new TLD's though =\
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Virtually everyone who has registered a domain name understands the 'problems' regarding name availabilty - squatters and pornagraphers own an obscene number of names.
To be perfectly clear, ICAAN has exercised extremely poor judgement in its approach to the new TLDs. Even if the new TLDs are implemented tomorrow, domain name availabilty would not improve because:
- There are no TLDs proposed for porn sites - and even if there were, do you think the owners of those sites would simply give up the '.com', '.org'. and '.net' names they already own?
- Several variations of my name are owned by squatters. The new TLDs simply give them new hunting grounds. ICAAN has not, after all, proposed enforcing restrictions on the new TLDs, so before long, squatters will be selling people their own '.names'.
- Even if TLDs existed for every disparate group currently on the net, ICAAN does not have the spine to divest name holders of 'inappropriate' TLDs. Does anyone think the DNSO would force Rob to give up '.org' in favor of '.geek'?
I say, screw ICAAN. This process is as irrelevant now as it was when they unveiled the new (useless) names.It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. - Andre Gide
Wouldn't it be cool if gTLDs could be registered just like domain names? It'd work like this. Say I wanted a domain name, say oooga.com. Then I'd just register it, and pay the 12 bucks. But say I wanted oooga.freellamarides. I'd register .freellamarides for maybe 35 bucks, and also oooga.freellamarides for 12. Then, when ever anybody else registered anything at .freellamarides, I'd get maybe a 1 cent royalty for coming up with it, which could go towards the InterNic fees.
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The IETF doesn't enforce DNS standards, ICANN do (for the official gTLDs, that is).
(disclaimer: I work for the company that will operate .name - the TLD intended primarily for personal names)
Yes, I'm sure people will find ways of abusing it, but it should go a long way.
And have you ever tried finding a domain name under .com lately? Even one that doesn't crash with a trademark? Try any word from your dictionary - even the most obscure you can find. It's likely taken. And it's likely taken prefixed and postfixed with tons of common combinations of letters and digits.
There will only be about 25 companies left with domain names anyway. We won't even need new names.
Wired ran a story about this a couple of months back, and I checked it out. It's as easy as replacing your ISP's DNS addresses with ones they provide (well, for me anyway).
http://www.youcann.org
It's not much use unless people start using it, but it opens your eyes as to how the system works. ICANN only has authority if people let them have it. Who said the internet needs to be forced into a top-down design model, anyway?