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Steve Nakhla writes: "I came across this article detailing how the Walt Disney Company is using ONLY gigabit ethernet in its new Japanese park, Tokyo DisneySeas. Previously, a combination of ethernet, ATM, and others were utilizied to create the network backbone in Walt Disney World and Disneyland. It's an interesting look at how the "magic" is created. For example, using CobraNet's technology, they are able to stream audio out to speakers with no loss of sound quality, while keeping the control rooms in a centralized location remote to the area."
It is nice to have money.
It'a also nice that they're using fiber for the long network runs.
Since you can upgrade either end, and keep the same fiber runs, and scale up the bandwidth that way, it stays somewhat ahead of the curve. Granted, that's theoretical, but it shouldn't be too far off. We don't know how to get a faster medium than fiber anyway.
Zapman
Last month it was one called "Sea Gaia". All of them are economic misadventures, and any could be the poster child for Japan's current "bad investment" crisis.
I'm glad Disney is using good technology, but I give the park a 5% chance of making any money.
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...Both are a ripoff of Mary Shelly's "Frankenstein".
"Reactionaries must be deprived of the right to voice their opinions; only the people have that right." - Mao
The amusing thing about WestWorld is that it is basically a Jurassic Park ripoff. Resort dependent on scary new technology goes awry, killing guests. Except, of course, WestWorld way predates Jurassic Park. The really, really amusing part... Michael Crichton wrote WestWorld. Basically, Jurassic Park was a rip-off of his own work, cast with a new villain (genetics instead of robotics) and better special effects, but otherwise nothing more than a remake. BTW, I strongly recommend WestWorld to those who haven't seen it- pretty solid film. FutureWorld... don't waste two hours of your life.
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Well, sure... the overall "technology does scary things" theme is a Frankenstein motif. The specifics, though (particularly the theme-park/ leisure->terror transition) are reasonably unique to his work.
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Disney is using Level Control System's "Matrix3" audio processing engine to achieve their sound automation. Sound control doesn't get better than the Matrix3.
Website at [LCS Audio].
I can probably answer a number of questions about the sound system, if anyone is curious. If I can't answer them directly, I can get the info in fairly short order.
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you could (god knows why) put hotel network devices on the same network infrastructure if you desired. that's what VLANs are for. a port based (layer 2) VLAN has no ability to speak to other layer 2 VLANs on the same switch unless you have it configured to do so (inter-VLAN routing on all the higher end switching routers.)
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as long as you're content with the segmentation capabilities of your switching equipment, there's no security faults with this approach.
that being said, it's still kind of a bad idea. I'm sure they've got some tie-ins there, of course.
While I appreciate humourous comments quite a bit, technically clueless comments drive me bonkers.
I'm sure somewhere there's someone like Dug Song laughing at my pathetic ass anyhow
EOM
This is probably the best thing they could do. Imagine being a support tech in that datacenter, with the hum of the equipment being drowned out by It's a Small World in Japanese. Gives me seizures just thinking about it.
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I was at "DollyWorld" the first month or so that Dolly Parton owned it. It used to be "Silver Dollar City." For those of you not from the southern U.S., it's a theme park. Anyway, Dolly Parton songs were being radiated continuously from the park's hidden sound systems.
:)
Dolly had a new water ride installed. When they fired it up the first time, it knocked out power for the whole park. Which caused the music to go silent. Which caused everyone to cheer
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Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0070909 - WestWorld
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0074559 - FutureWorld (The sequel.)
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This isn't about Disney saying "W3r3 1337 d00dz" because they have gigabit ethernet, but the fact by carefully designing their network they are getting realtime constraints on ethernet performance only previously available on ATM and other more expensive networks.
The multi-channel audio stuff they talk about is stuff the phone company has been doing for years, but the PC industry has never managed to do sucessfully, which is why high-bandwidth streaming doesn't work even over a fast LAN if there is a moderate amount of traffic.
Firewire is supposed to solve this in the consumer market by vastly over-provisioning bandwidth, but there is only so far that approach scales.
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..is to implement 802.11 (or some similar wireless networking) all round the park - then provide online maps, info, streaming video, and maybe have the ability to order food/drink/mechandise and have it brought to you, all from a wireless equipped palmtop device.
;P
oh, and it'd be cool to be able to check email too
while keeping the control rooms in a centralized location remote to the area
That way the owners can escape easily when all the robots have a malfunction and start killing everyone.
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When the need to upgrade to terabyte network speed, they will just replace the end nodes, or bond multiple fiber together with Gbit devices (No one buries just one strand in the ground anymore... )
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Fiber (glass) run at the speed of light... I hope that's fast enough, because it's going to be hard to pass that up in a production enviroment any time soon.
'"We have 48-port edge devices and most of them are full. Some are 10 megabit, some are 100 megabit out from the hubs," '
This will be a wonderful blueprint for the Sysadmins who are looking to upgrade their systems from 10BT/10B2 networks (does anyone use 10B2 anymore?) and are looking for a system that can handle the bandwidth that the modern 'net uses. Streaming media, stock tickers, realtime quotes, CNN on-line, and a hundred other things that are bandwidth-sucking and the bane of sysadmins everywhere.
If this works out like it should, we can then go to management and get the upgrade to gigabit as new pieces are required. This is a mix already and a high-availability system so it should be a cinch to handle the needs of a typical office network.
DanH
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Unless the ride includes on-train brakes (sort of unusual), NT can't possibly do a thing to the train in mid-loop. Roller Coasters are called that because that's what they do: coast. There's a big drop at the beginning of coasters to give the train sufficient momentum to make it through the rest of the ride aided/hindered only by gravity. Certain types of them, though, include trim brakes (usually Wild Mouse coasters, which don't have loops) to keep the train's speed in check on really tight turns. The worst that could happen here is an E-Stop, which would brake all the cars on the ride, causing minor annoyance but not a lot of actual trouble.
But like everything that gets you ahead of the curve performance only for a little while. If not next year, then in 5 or ten years, it will be obsolete and they'll have to look at rebuilding the whole thing in terabyte network speeds. I imagine you'll be able to do interesting things with that kind of bandwidth. (3d movies, for example)
Although you should not really get into the attitude of "If someone's doing it, it must be old" type of thinking.
(I am reminded of the "keepup with the jone's" attitude you see sometimes in hardware ownership, etc.)
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Just wondering if there's stuff in the market that's cheap and does this via ethernet. (Obviously the Enterprise Class QoS-Enabled Solutions described by the ITWorld writer aren't, but that's because they need to sell ads.)
sulli
RTFJ.
To get a network connection out to a cart (that's what they called all the little stores all over the park), they would do just about anything. There were stores that had RF connections when cable couldn't be pulled to them. A routine call from one of those stores was, "Is the little dish next to the register plugged in? No? That's the problem." They built a new store on the opposite side of one of the lakes down there and ran fiber along the bottom of the lake for its network connection.
And if any of the Disney IS staff from Orlando read this, I want to say that they did a great job handeling the poor software the company I worked for wrote. They were some of the best people I dealt with at that job.
Still, with a plan, you only get the best you can imagine. I'd always hoped for something better than that. -CP
When I was a kid, we didn't have cable at home. Half the fun of family vacations was watching cable TV - MTV, TNT, a movie playing all the time. We'd travel hundreds of miles, then me and my siblings would want to stay in the hotel room and watch TV.
Now, when I go to Disney World with my kids ten years from now, they won't want to leave the hotel room. "But Dad, I have a latency of 0! ZERO!!!! I'm fragging all my friends back home! Who wants to ride stupid roller coasters, anyway."
The fire control, navigation systems, and other mission critical items are still stand alone entities, not microsoft related at all. the worst that could happen is some irritated boatswain can't play minesweeper. 'Course, who wants an irritated boatswain?
BTW: I used to work for disney. I once went to the underground cafeteria in the magic kingdom in orlando and saw the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life: Snow White sitting on her boyfriend's lap smoking a cigarette.
Are you sure you weren't at Pleasure Island?
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Um, chances are it's optical given the distance limitations of Gigabit Ethernet over copper. It might be the same physical network, but they did say it is switched so I can't imagine they won't have it VLAN'd all to hell to keep things separate, given the amount of nodes there might be a bit of excess broadcast traffic otherwise.
I got to work on a product used at TDS. The TDS system is massive.
Cobranet is pretty cool. Check out http://www.peakaudio.com/
The audio mixing is done by Level Control Systems. Check out http://www.lcsaudio.com/ - It transports audio over analog, cobranet, adat optical, redundant gigabit fibrechannel, and also has embedded linux for audio playback from scsi disks with raid. Scales to hundreds of audio channels in and out. Massive DSP processing, all done in floating point.
And that just comprises a PART of tokyo disney seas!
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It looks like the network in the new park is more advanced than the technology in the Future World part of EPCOT. BTW: I used to work for disney. I once went to the underground cafeteria in the magic kingdom in orlando and saw the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life: Snow White sitting on her boyfriend's lap smoking a cigarette.
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