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Slashback: Toast, Cube, Light

Slashing back tonight are bits and pieces on optical transistors; a genuine linux toaster; words from Nintendo's president on the real status of the Gamecube; and another potentially nice push in the world of digital archives. Please enjoy.

Larry Ellison, watch your back. meforpc writes: "More on LTSP (Linux terminal server project): Riverdale (www.riverdale.k12.or.us/linux) decided to make a 'poster child' to get the word out on their project; to do this Bryan Grimshaw made a Linux machine inside of a toaster oven. The idea behind the toaster is to show the ease of setting up a Linux terminal/server network. It's really cool and looks great. (I want one)."

"Oooh, that's one hot system! If you sell it, I hope the buyer doesn't get burned. Might this sort of thing have a Dark Side? Nice rack -- Smmmmmokin'!" Sigh. I've stopped now. The worst pun you can come up with will be rewarded with an official Slashdot groan of derision :)

Soon all will be optical. BdosError writes: "Scientists in Japan seem to have developed an optical transistor, as explained in this article, which I snipped from the Rapidly Changing Face of Computing newsletter. This could go nicely with the optical switching technology mentioned earlier, as it would eliminate the need to convert the electrical signals to/from optical. Plus, it would be a huge benefit for building fast systems which generate less heat in general.

Let's have no comments about the possibilities for a Beowulf cluster."

Well ... no more comments. But actually, why not? This sounds like a good thing for clustered research computers, no?

Of course, we'll see what hits shelves ... TheZalm writes: "The article about Gamecube being in danger is a misrepresentation of the facts. Hiroshi Yamauchi said only that he would reconsider his launch plan, and possibly place a small delay on the launch. See this article at IGN."

Of course, that's what Sega repeatedly said about the Dreamcast, too. The gamecube sounds cool, so I hope it arrives, but it's obviously coming into a hotly contested market.

Commemorating the banal and the momentous. fizban writes: "According to this AP news story, CNN plans to spend the next few years digitizing its entire video archive and making it available to the public over the internet. Excellent! Just think of the multimedia reports the kids of tomorrow will be able to make for their class projects..."

The article skirts the issue of licensing and payment; hopefully CNN will see fit to make at least some of its content free, but I'd be surprised it that's more than a sampling.

The progress may be mind-numbingly slow, but thanks to things like Project Gutenberg, ibiblio and the Internet Moving Image Archive, more and more free content is arriving for us to read, watch and use. ("And, he groused, "it would be nice if all images made with our tax dollars would be available online as well.")

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  1. Are digital archives a good idea? by euroderf · · Score: 2
    The field of human entertainment depends on things going out of date. Almost all possible storylines have been thought of an implemented already at some point in human history, at least at a symbolic level. For new stories to be worthwhile then, they need to be new in a facile sense, not fundamentally new. They need to reflect and be of our times.

    However, the rate of technological advance is no longer affecting our culture as much as it did. Sure, technology is moving forward, but it does not affect society. Our quality of life is no different from someone in the 1950's. The law of diminishing returns is coming into play. If you have a job, car, health insurance and go on holiday twice a year, what more improvements can your lifestyle get? Very few.

    Combined with this, there is the effect of globalisation and multiculturalism, which should really be called monoculturalism. This means that society is becoming less varied, and people are becoming more and more similar. Therefore stories have a more global appeal - the latest hollywood blockbuster or remake appeals to someone in Shanghai just as much as someone in LA.

    So, before long every type of film will have been made, and all films will be derivatives (derivation being a very postmodern concept, and beloved of recent films). But extensive archiving will allow people to see this, and watch cheap archive footage just as fresh and relevant in 2020 as it is today.

    We have to make sure we don't kill the active film industry by suffocating it and overshadowing it with the better films of yesteryear.
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    1. Re:Are digital archives a good idea? by maggard · · Score: 2
      Euroderf strikes again.

      Well, the quality of *your* life might be the same as it would have been in the 1950's but mine is sure a heck of a lot better.

      Without medical advances I'd have likely died once if not twice. I also lead a much more comfortable life thanks to widespread electrification & air conditioning. Then there's social progress - my little sister is a senior executive at a major firm, were it not for social changes she'd have led a much more limited professional life. Of course as a gay man my social life would have been pretty limited too.

      In the 1950's I would have lived in a segregated world by race & national origin. I'd likely have never been more then a hundred kilometers from where I was born. Communication was slow & expensive. Medicine & nutrition were a mere shadow of what they are today. Education was typically limited to HS & then consisted mostly of rote memorization. Opportunities were based on ones family & connections first & foremost, individual skills second.

      Sure we've not escaped that a 100% but we're leaps & bounds beyond where we were two and a half generations ago.

      As to the rate of advance by most estimates it's increasing. Social Scientists, Engineers, Theoreticians all agree the world is evolving faster & more fundamentally now for more people then it ever has before.

      Mono-culturalism? That's hardly happening. Yes there are traits that are becoming widespread, increasing religious & ethnic tolerance (clearly still issues but less then they have been before outstanding counterexamples notwithstanding.) Democracy, greater freedom, increased opportunity, rising expectations, these are indeed becoming common. Indeed in 1950 half of the world was under or just out from fascism, imperialism, dictatorship or colonialism. Is moving beyond this a terrible thing, some oppressive mono-culturalism?

      Since mid-century there's been a tidal wave of knowledge & communication. Exposure to new ideas, synthesis & synergy, hybridization & exploration to a breadth & depth never seen before in human history.

      Sure one can find Coca Cola in 80 nations, however it's in 50 variations. Indigenous cultures are taking ideas & examples from other parts of the world and refashioning them into local interpretations, forming cross-cultural mélanges never seen before.

      Euroderf delights in playing the nayseyer, asserting nothing has progressed since (depending on his posting) the Stone Age or the 15th century. Frankly the fact that he's doing so on /. only makes his trolling more pathetic - if he truly believed any of his guff he'd be off in a backwoods shack somewhere.

      (By the way, 'derivative' is not a "postmodern concept" - if nothing else you demonstrate your shocking ignorance of history & culture by making these asinine statements)

      Finally while it's true that the ever expanding body of previous work provides a growing cultural resource it by no means kills today's material. Do we fear ancient Greek or Japanese material? Are 11th century Scandinavian epics crushing Hollywood or Bollywood? Nonsense. Rather times change & while the human condition remains eternal modern interpretations always have a place.

      Euroderf - I said it before & I'll say it again - your trolling is tiresome. If you truly believed anything you said you'd have offed yourself by now. As you remain you're clearly just trying to get a rise out of folks, and not very well at it.

      Please, before throwing out half-baked assertions and ridiculous statements at least get a gloss on what oyou're trying to talk about.

      ps Anyone modding this please look up Euroderfs posting history - he's been pulling this same stunt over & over again, trolling for attention. Mod if if you want to but at least do so knowledgably.

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    2. Re:Are digital archives a good idea? by PD · · Score: 2

      I believe that's his point. If Ecclesiastes didn't exist, then he would be able to take credit for it.

    3. Re:Are digital archives a good idea? by PD · · Score: 2

      Do you realize that the whole world is now aware that your education was substandard?

    4. Re:Are digital archives a good idea? by PD · · Score: 3

      I agree. Shameful that Shakespeare is still available, because it just overshadows everything made since then.

      Silly idea that because something is great something else sucks a little bit more. Creativity isn't a zero sum game.

    5. Re:Are digital archives a good idea? by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

      "Martin Garbus, a lawyer representing the Mitchell estate, said he asked eBay to take the books off the site and asked Houghton Mifflin to get advance copies back from reviewers."

      Um, as in the Martin Garbus of the DeCSS trial? How can this guy work as counsel both for defendant in a case like DeCSS, but plaintiff in this case...??

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    6. Re:Are digital archives a good idea? by blair1q · · Score: 2

      So, before long every type of film will have been made, and all films will be derivatives

      Yes, but whatever you do, don't parody one of the worst books ever written...

      --Blair

      P.S. The phrase "there's nothing new under the sun" comes from Ecclesiastes. I.e., your thesis is 2,000 years old.

  2. Wait a minute dude... by Tony+Shepps · · Score: 3

    Euroderf lives in northern Britain. He truly hasn't seen any advance since the 50s!

  3. Re:"Slashback" by Have+Blue · · Score: 2

    At a guess, it refers to stories that update or follow up on other stories recently posted. So any story people would be waiting for more info on (like the GameCube yoink rumor) can be wrapped up with a nice ending (hah).

  4. linux toasters are expensive by Malor · · Score: 2

    High maintenance item. You just wouldn't believe how much bread they burn through.

    1. Re:linux toasters are expensive by KFury · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but they can also raise a lot of dough...

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    2. Re:linux toasters are expensive by VAXman · · Score: 2

      Something is very wrong with your bread. And you. Are you a cold blooded reptile?

      My P4 system idles at 30 degrees, and peaks under heavy load at about 40 degrees. I have never seen or heard of a P4 system in my life which was above about 45 degrees.

      Water to shower is something closer to 100 degrees and bread needs something even higher to toast.

      Therefore, I can conclude that you are not human, you do not eat typical bread, or you really enjoy lightly toasted bread and/or cold showers.

    3. Re:linux toasters are expensive by the+real+jeezus · · Score: 2

      Not compared to WinTel.

      I just cut two slots into the side of my Enlight case, right above my heatsink/fan attached to my P-IV. There's just enough room to slide in two pieces of bread. Right before my shower, I load it up and connect to Seti@Home. I emerge from the shower to the pleasing scent of warm toast.

      Some people get upset that their 1.5GHz runs at 750MHz. Others make toast.

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  5. Re:E3 / Price of GameCube by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2

    I just hope the GameCube will be priced so it is afforable in Canada. Since most companies decide on a US price and then decide the Canadian price of the product based on the exchange rate, some stuff is rediculously expensive over here. If they can get a $230 (Canadian dollar) price tag on it, along with the choice of modem or ethernet adapter, then I reckon it will sell like hot-cakes - the important thing is to price it much less than the Playstation 2.

    What Nintendo generally has going for them are a bunch of family orientated titles with enough playability and attraction to please most people. It is always surprising how enjoyable some Nintendo games are, inspite of their lack of blood.

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  6. Re:for goodness sake by timster · · Score: 2

    What's funny about this comment is that the Linux server toaster was built by a high school class that's learning about Linux. RTFA next time, troll!

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  7. This isn't new... by DanThe1Man · · Score: 2
    CNN used (still does?) to sell CDs of the TOP 100 story of the previous year. I bought the first one for 1993 and it was just a bunch of minute long video clips of CNN coverage of top evnents. I think they where in Real format, but I'm not sure.

    So, they already got a bunch of the clips 'digatized' and I guess they are just moving that kind of service onto the web.

  8. Re:Video archives? by CJ+Hooknose · · Score: 2
    Libraries have decades worth of newspapers available for searching - why can't this be put on the web?

    People are trying, but AFAIK it's all going to be (sigh) proprietary, pay-per-use access. A large company, UMI, owns the rights to a bunch of microfilm reels of newspapers like the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and the Christian Science Monitor, going back to the 1880s in some cases. The goal over the next few years is to get these pieces of microfilm scanned, do OCR on the readable portions, hand-correct certain bits, and put all the OCRed text+images into a Bloody Huge Database. Preview at http://www.infolearning.com:8090/promo/histNews/sl d001.html in case anyone is really interested. That is only a fraction of what they've got in their 'base; we've been shipping them ~10G of processed data every week.

    Of course, they're going to be charging a nominal leg for this service, and marketing it to universities and other large institutions instead of individual subscribers. Public libraries maybe if the libraries have decent funding.

    (All the heavy lifting here is being done by several hundred workers in India and Mexico, natch.)

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  9. Re:"Slashback" by jonnythan · · Score: 2

    The first slashback, if I recall, was a couple of follow ups to stories posted previously on slashdot. timothy coined the term to refer to the follow up, and the word and format became popular very quickly - it was a great way to let /.'ers know how things turned out on some of the more interesting stories. It caught on and became a regular item with its own icon. Cool idea, and it's use has broadened slightly to include not only direct follow ups to stories, but more information or different directions from the subjects of other stories (lots of optical info lately, here's another blurb about optical stuff).

  10. Optical Logic Gates by Puk · · Score: 2

    Note that optical logic gates are not completely new. Check out section 5.9.3.3, "The NOLM [Non-Linear Optical Loop Mirror] as a Logic Gate", in IBM's redbook "Understanding Optical Communications".

    Also note that they have not created optical logic gates in this article, but optical transistors. However, if they are truly analagous to electrical transistors, then they can be put together to make logic gates. I have no knowledge of which technology is more appropriate (if either) for making large scale optical "integrated circuits".

    Incidentally, I definitely recommend that (free as in beer) book to anyone looking for a overview of optics and optical networking for the technical non-optical-engineer. It's a couple of years and old, and so a couple of years out of date, but still accurate in most ways.

    -Puk

  11. I thought you meant a real toaster... by myc · · Score: 2

    connected to and controlled by linux. Now *that* would be cool. set a cron job to 'cat toast /dev/toaster' every morning at breakfast. :)

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  12. A couple tweaks by yerricde · · Score: 2

    simple enough if placed in a loop. All that remains is a method of refreshing the signal. To this end, I thought of taking a gas laser, pumped to just a few photons below the point it will lase, and use it as the terminator of the loop. In this way, it gets a refresh on each loop

    Good idea. A material that slows down light (such as this one; thanks ultrabot2k1), used as a delay line, gives you optical DRAM. Just make sure you don't try to take your idea into outer space.

    Or you could just make optical SRAM by using these optical transistors (a D latch/flipflop is two NOTs and a mux).

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  13. Archie by talonyx · · Score: 2

    Duh, Them kids should stay out of riverdale!

    --Moose

  14. Computer in a toaster by proxima · · Score: 2

    This really doesn't seem like the coolest computer case I've ever seen, but it does bring a whole new meaning to "frying your processor".

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  15. 100 percent Automation! by table+and+chair · · Score: 2

    If you have a job, car, health insurance and go on holiday twice a year, what more improvements can your lifestyle get? How about just the car, the insurance and the holidays?



  16. Y'Know by Alien54 · · Score: 2
    re: the CNN archive - the Movie and Music interests will want to charge in any way possible for anything they can get their hands on.

    For example, if you have a figure skater performing to a bit of music, someone will want a license fee. Or a news story with a movie clip in it. Same thing.

    Check out the Vinny the Vampire comic strip

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  17. Re:Light as your processor by Sebastopol · · Score: 2


    Heh? What is "electricity propagation" and how is it different the electron mobility in a field, which I thought was electricity, er, current flow, whatever... i've been outta college for 10 years...


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  18. Re:Light as your processor by Sebastopol · · Score: 2

    Well, I think it boils down to two things, how fast it takes for a voltage to get from one side of a conductor to another, this is what I referred to as propagation. This is what is important in computers and other high frequency electronics.

    I'm not buying that. Point me to a reference that says "electriciy propogation" doesn't have to do with electron mobility, and the electron mobility is a "few inches per hour".

    Somethings smells fishy.


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  19. Re:Light as your processor by GigsVT · · Score: 2
    compared to light electricity travels relatively slowly, thats why people are interested in optical computers, because they offer enormously faster speeds.

    I'm sorry, but that is just not correct. Electricity propagation velocity is very close to the speed of light in the atmosphere. If you are talking about electron flow, that is much slower, on the order of a few inches per hour. I think it is safe to assume we are talking about propagation velocity here.

    Do some research, it's an interesting subject. The reason light holds promise is because we can modulate a lot more data into it, not because it propagates much faster.
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  20. for goodness sake by perdida · · Score: 2

    You all havw a right to spend your resources any way you want, but a Linux server in a toaster isn't a good way to do it in my opinion.

    If you want to promote Linux, take the time and instead of praising your geekly glory by making a photogenic linux toaster that will get you linked on slashdot and will slashdot your linux toaster anyway, go teach some kids some linux.

    Teaching is unglamorous, dull and frustrating work, nowhere near as entertaining as making a Linux toaster.

    But a lot more useful way to pass your free time.

  21. well suited by deran9ed · · Score: 2


    Bryan Grimshaw made a Linux machine inside of a toaster oven.

    Shit with the demise of Slackware, Stormix, Easel, Corel Linux... The similarity is astonishing. Linux is toast.. or to be politically correct its only worth running on toasters take your pick.

    wanna root me? (powered by OpenBSD!)

  22. Re: optical processing by UltraBot2K1 · · Score: 2

    Actually it is possible to slow down light. Granted, this we're still a few years away from seeing any usable applications for this technology, but it's still a pretty cool concept.

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  23. whoopee by nate1138 · · Score: 2

    Wow, so you can run a computer outside of it's case... big fscking deal. Now if this did something like setting my toast time and temp, I'd be impressed. Especially if I could do it from my WAP phone. Sounds to me like a waste of a perfectly good pizza warmer.

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  24. Toaster already done by aero6dof · · Score: 2

    Sorry, SGI already has a computer in a toaster-like shell. The O2.