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Kurobara writes: "just thought everyone would like to know that the NEW LOTR trailer is avabile online (stream only for now). I'd give a description but I'll let the trailer speek for itself, suffice to say it rocks ^_^ (spotted on theonering.net)" It's not at all easy to find the new trailer - if you see the flame and ring, you're looking at the old one. First words of the new one are "Legend tells of a ring...". Ah, here we go: Old Wolf writes: "The latest trailer for Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring can be streamed here, or downloaded in full. Only Real format at this stage unfortunately. A collection of .jpg stills and commentary can be found here at TORN."
The sad thing is, you are 34 years old, aren't you?
Geesh, I could have lived without knowing that Paul Rubens was playing gollum. That's gonna ruin it for me.
Get your good good LOTR-lovin' at http://ufies.org/files/lotr_trailer3.rm
HTH, HAND
When JRRT wrote The Hobbit (published in 1937) he initially did not place it in Middle Earth. Actually the original story was quite different in one crucial respect - Gollum shows Bilbo out after he lost the Riddles game and they part on friendly terms. If you ever find a first edition of The Hobbit you can read the original version of the story - (good luck! B&N had a copy for sale for $12,500!). The Hobbit was so successful that the publishers immediately demanded a sequel. It was at this point that he rewrote chapter 5 (Riddles in the Dark) to set up the story that became The Lord of the Rings.
The LOTR started in much the same style as The Hobbit, and he struggled for many years with it. He really wanted to publish his epic mythologies, and not to work on a sequel. Towards the later part of the 1940's he got into the swing of it and cranked out LOTR, published in three volumes in 1954 and 1955 (it is NOT a trilogy - it's three volumes of the same tale). It was during the composition of the LOTR that he tied The Hobbit to the mythologies. It also provided a framework for the eventuality of his epic works, later laid down in The Silmarillion. The Silmarillion is actually several books in one:
Tolkien died before he felt thatThe Silmarillion was completed. His son, Christopher, took it upon himself to select from his father's writings all of the material that would constitute a complete story and published it posthumously to his father.
Reading The Silmarillion for the first time is a fairly brutal endeavor. It's so packed full of information that it took me several readings to really start to grok it. Karen Wynn Fonstat's Atlas of Middle Earth is essential, as is J.E.A. Tyler's reference (the name escapes me, but the second editions includes The Silmarillion content).
Unfinished Tales contains more detailed information from the stories in The Silmarillion, but they were never deemed to be complete enough to be included in The Silmarillion. Christopher Tolkien's 12 volume series The History of Middle Earth breaks down all of JRRT's writings into chronological order and discusses in great detail the evolution of the stories (well worth the read if you like scholarly studies of fascinating characters).
Also read The Letters of JRR Tolkien and his biography, both by Humphrey Carpenter, if you want real insight into Tolkien's life and beliefs. He was a truly remarkable man.
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I'd have gone with the Rankor for this analogy. I've always pictured the Balrog as something similar.
Hey, don't knock Brain Dead (or Bad Taste - I haven't seen Meet the Feebles). Those were absolutely excellent. Even more so considering that they were done in spare time (four years for Bad Taste???) with a small group of friends and home-made props.
Personally, I'm glad that REAL is in existence. Without them, there surely would be even more Windows Media Player only downloads, and perhaps more of that annoying QuickTime bollocks. At least Real has ports of their player to platforms like Linux.
Sorenson codec encoded .mov's are worthless to me. Although it is a really nice high quality codec with great compression, it's just not available for linux. Well I can listen to the audio on Sorenson codec mov's I spose. :)
Why don't these companies use DiVX ;-)? There's at least nice divx players for linux. The one I use is available here: http://divx.euro.ru/ just fyi. What's the deal with divx anyway? Was it stolen from microsoft like people claim or what? And if not, then why aren't big companies supporting it? Because apple and real pays them too much to use their format? :)
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..All the while, Tolkien heatedly denied any allegory in LOTR. In fact, he claimed that he thought allegory in storytelling was perfectly awful.
The king of allegory, C.S. Lewis, was a friend of Tolkien. Lewis has said that while at Cambrige he was told to "beware of Papists [Lewis was a Protestant] and philologists. Tolkien was both."
The stories were born out of bedtime tales he told his children and his philological interest in inventing a language (Elvish). Pretty cool.
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Even now, "^_^" is being documented as a new Perl operator...
Ita erat quando hic adveni.
I liked the prequel operas by Wagner, ...
especially the third when the nine fat
ladies (Valkeries) come out and sing,
think stick it to all those nasty Germans
showing off their shiny swords
LOTR plans to use several- Gollum, various monsters, and others.
I am encouraged by the quality of virtual actors
in Shrek. JarJar in Phantom and the humans in
Toy Story were disappointing, but my hopes are
high for LOTR.
Is this the same Peter Jackson who brought us Meet the Feebles and Brain Dead? Good God. We're doomed.
Thank you for not thinking.
DivX ;-) is an illegal hack of one of Microsoft's codecs. I believe that all it does is remove the restrictions on dimention limits and introduces the ability to use MP3 as the audio codec.
;-)
You should be asking: why aren't they using Project Mayo (a/k/a/ DivX part Deux)?
I dunno.
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>> Why do they not use project Mayo?
;-)
>Are you kidding?
> Maybe cause, um, they don't give a flying crap
> about the geek/linux community and want to use
> a commercially acceptable format that people
> usually have?
Arugh. Please quote people entirely when you respond...
I _actually_ said:
>> You should be asking: why aren't they using
>> Project Mayo (a/k/a/ DivX part Deux)?
>>
>> I dunno.
(trying, of course, to keep my tounge firmly in cheek).
Now.. what were we talking about?
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> suffice to say it rocks ^_^
Is anyone else annoyed by the "^_^" emoticon? I mean, it's not even a smiley face: it looks like someone who's died. The mouth is taut and the eyes are looking upward.
No one actually turns their head to look at the "classic" smileys, we all recognize them as they are printed. Orienting an emoticon so that it is readable along with the text is unnecessary, especially if it doesn't show the range of emotions previously available.
For some reason, I find that the people who do the ^_^ face tend to be anime zealots. Is there a story behind this that I missed while watching live action movies?
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Batman was decent.
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Yeah, and in 2003, we can watch him fall into the fires of Mount Doom with the Ring and Frodo's finger screaming "I meant to do that!"
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
There is a good frame-by-frame-analysis of the new trailer at TheOneRing.net.
Does anyone else keep reading it as "theonionring.net"?
Mmmm. Onion rings...
The domain is free, btw, if anyone wants to snap it up and see what WIPO has to say about it.
Seriously, why? It's not like I need convincing to go see the movie. I want to be surpised as much as possible when Xmas 2k1 rolls around and this baby hits the theater. Eru knows I've read The Silmarillion 8 dozen times by now. Commercials & trailers will only spoil the fun for me. My two bits. And this fucking thing better be of higher quality than TPM. Otherwise I'm taking hostages. Grr. - Rev.
LOTR Trailer
Ender
Nothing to see here
Where'd you get that info - the cast page :
http://www.theonering.net/movie/cast.html
has "Andy Serkis" listed as Gollum....
OMG, this was moderated down? This needs +5 Funny! Ha ha ha!
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
Amen. Paul got screwed, and I think it's actually pretty brave of him to come back to the screen after this long. He was recently on Conan O'Brian's show, and he was really a riot. To bad his career was ruined for so long.
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
How many downloads of the original LotR trailer from their crappy website were there in the first 24 hours? One point someodd million? I distinctly recall it was well over the number of TPM downloads.
Yeah, all your fanbase belongs to us. :-)
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I agree, we have a fight in our hands. Let's do some scientific analysis and try to figure which one will win.
... sorry, about that, I just had to do it.) but she may
> The Jedi are rallying behind the Force, while the Rangers summon the courage of the Numenor.
Edge: SW.
Force and Jedi took a blow in the Phantom Menace (Mitocondrias or what?) but at least they didn't get sunk and beaten at every turn.
> The Skywalker family against the Isildur lineage.
Edge: even.
Both families have a lot going for them and we simply do not know enough about them to judge. Curently Skywalker's great strenght is of course Natalie Portman (NAKED AND PETRIFIED!
face stiff (or should that be "stiffing") competition from Liv Tyler.
> Darth Vader vs. the Nine.
Edge: LotR
Vader is cool, and so was Maul and emperor too has things going for him, but the Nazgul are the real thing. They are scary, really scary. They are probably the one really-scary-evil-guys-in-black in popular fantasy that don't suffer inflation during the story. Wizard-king is just as scary bashing down the gates of Minas Tirith as he was chasing hobbits in Shire and Bree.
> Obewan up against Gandalf the Gray. Dead/Ghost Obewan up against Gandalf the White.
Edge: even
Sir Alec should have played Galdalf who is much more complicated character then Obi-Wan. I don't think Ian McKellen can match Sir Alec so Obi-Wan has room for a come-back. This is your chance Evan, use it, um, wisely.
> Bobafet vs. the Balrog.
Edge: LotR
The Balrog kicks Boba's butt even with one hand tied behind his back and blindfolded. You could throw in Rankor too and it wouldn't make a difference.
> Storm Troopers vs. Orcs.
Edge: LotR
The Imperial Elite, gimme a break. Orcs suck as bad but at least they know they do. And there's Uruk-hai to consider.
Conclusion: it's 3 to 1 for Lord of the Rings with 2 even.
It looks bad for Star Wars but it's not hopeless. It would be really easy to fumble the Aragon and Arwen romance and even more so with understandable but dangerous story changes. That would make the Skywalker-Isildur match-up a clear victory for SW. That would pretty much leave to whole battle in to the able hands of Evan McGregor as he can be the tie-breaker in the Obi-Wan-Galdalf deadlock.
So it looks like a close thing with LotR leading at the moment but Star Wars definately able to catch up.
--Flam, who won't watch the trailers as he is going anyways.
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You always put words in other people's mouths? Where did I say we should ban it?
It's like creating a world with gravity... If it's at the core of your vision of reality, better make it consistent.
Actually, there are plenty of very Christian references in LotR. JRRT himself was very Christian. One example that comes to mind is the use of language for magic: every act of magic, whether from Gandalf or the Balrog, comes from the voice, since it was the belief of Tolkien that the Word was the founding principle of Creation. Additionally, Gandalf and the other wizards were more or less gardian angels. All this is detailed in the Silmarillion.
It was just a dirty joke, in the same way I joke about my old housemates masturbating habits, with with my Karma Whoring tendancies added.
I really like Paul Reubens, Pee Wee Herman is one of the most creative Movie/TV characters of all time. The fact that Paul Reubens got caught masturbating in an adult theater makes him more human and approachable. I liked him in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and I'm sure he'll make a great Smegal.
Paul Reubens' is not different then your average pr0n surfing Slashdot reader, nor is he very different from your average pr0n sneaking "Oh, I don't do _that_" man or woman.
The only think shocking about the Paul Ruebens story is that several policemen wasted their time in tailing and then busting Ruebens when they could be fighting an actual crime, and that Disney canned his ass because the story stained the Disney Corp's imaginary, puritan and regressive view on Sexuality.
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The trailers of the enemy are gifts! Why don't we use them against him! ...precious... yes.. precious.... they are my birthday presents afterall, precious... aren't they? Thief Baggins! Wants me not to watch the trailers.... thinks it will ruin the surprise precious.... Even though precious has read the books a million times... perhaps precious needs peace of mind... perhaps the danger of blasphemy from these movies is greater than the hope of success, precious...
Not only does God definitely play dice, but He sometimes confuses us by throwing them where they can't be seen. -Hawking
gandalf in describing his battle with the Balrog, "Deep beneath the surface the earth is gnawed by nameless things."
Someone you trust is one of us.
"One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them" was in the old trailers.
Someone you trust is one of us.
Yeah, I don't think its a close call even. LOTR will demolish Star Wars. The only thing Star Wars has in its favor are sweet campy lines. We'll have to wait and see with LOTR in this respect. But it will be tough to outdo, "I find your lack of faith disturbing," "Luke! Luuuke!" and "Jumping into hyperspace aint like dusting crops kid" LOTR is so serious and grim, I doubt it will have anything like this. The camp factor in StarWars is what makes it appealing.
Someone you trust is one of us.
The Lord of the Rings vs. Star Wars.
The battle lines are being drawn, and the forces are mustering. The Jedi are rallying behind the Force, while the Rangers summon the courage of the Numenor. The Skywalker family against the Isildur lineage. Darth Vader vs. the Nine. Obewan up against Gandalf the Gray. Dead/Ghost Obewan up against Gandalf the White. Bobafet vs. the Balrog. Storm Troopers vs. Orcs. I can feel the calm before the storm.
Someone you trust is one of us.
If you have a higher/better resolution version let me know...
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That's not what a more experienced actor would do. Are you saying that's how Ian McKellan is playing Gandalf? Doesn't look like it to me -- the man has incredible range. He's not even recognizable as the same actor from his Richard III a few years ago. Of course, you wouldn't want someone quite that old to play Frodo, just someone experienced enough to be able to play him believably.
What I want is an actor who understands the part. It's plain that Wood doesn't. Wide-eyed? Sometimes, sure, especially at first. But in every single scene? As is is, "overacting" is just how I'd describe what Wood has done with this part. He looks as if he's done a miserable job. I hope it's just an artifact of how they selected scenes for the trailer.
And the brethren went away edified.
I said, "I hope it's just an artifact of how they selected scenes for the trailer." And in my earlier post, I said, "Fortunately, he's surrounded by enough truly great talent that he doesn't have to carry the movie." If I don't like the movie -- which is going to be a clear and present danger with any attempt to put Lord of the Rings on film, especially for those of us old enough to remember the acute disappointment of the Bakshi movie -- it will be most likely because of the script or something Peter Jackson has done, not the acting.
I'll admit I was predisposed to find Wood inadequate to the task, mostly based on an interview with him I read online last year and cannot now locate. In it he described his view of the Frodo. It was an almost complete misreading. Not only was it very superficial, but those traits he did observe he misunderstood. My hope is that by working with the brilliant actors who were cast alongside him, he'd pick up a bit more depth. Not a hint of that shows in the trailer, but then, as I said (three times now) they trailer may or may not be giving an accurate idea of how he will play him.
And the brethren went away edified.
Fortunately, he's surrounded by enough truly great talent that he doesn't have to carry the movie. But I'd rather Frodo were portrayed competently. They should have hired an older actor, one with more life experience who might have had a better understanding of some of Frodo's thoughts and reactions.
And the brethren went away edified.
You're absolutely correct. I've been a fan of Peter Jackson since I first saw Bad Taste (the movie from which the exploding sheep reference is lifted) and have seen every flick he's directed since.
Quite simply, Jackson is an artist. Sure, maybe not the kind of artist the Kubrick or Lynch or Gilliam is, but an artist nonetheless. From the gruesome gibbiness of Dead Alive (some of which still makes me squirm) to the twisted puppetry of Meet The Feebles all the way to the beautiful cinematography and gifted storytelling seen in Beautiful Creatures, Jackson has been evolving towards this.
Think about it, an uncompromising director that has risen up from the ranks of 10 thousand dollar budget movies to play with the big boys, with experience with intricate puppetry (he now operates his own effects company that specializes in animatronics) and a knack for visual storytelling directing the epic LOTR. He's perfect.
For anyone that doubts based on his past in horror-comedies, please do yourself a favor and see Beautiful Creatures (a movie based on the real-life murder committed by two young girls in NZ in which Jackson not only portrays the actual events but also delves into their dream-world motivations -- it's brilliant). I don't think any of us will be disapointed with LOTR.
Nope. =_=
Orienting an emoticon so that it is readable along with the text is unnecessary, especially if it doesn't show the range of emotions previously available.
No range of emotions? ;_;
For some reason, I find that the people who do the ^_^ face tend to be anime zealots.
Many normal anime fans do it also. *_*
Is there a story behind this that I missed while watching live action movies?
Yes, and until you get over your immature prejudices against various types of storytelling, you'll never know. ^_~
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Also: Orienting an emoticon so that it is readable along with the text is unnecessary, especially if it doesn't show the range of emotions previously available.
Ah... How so does ^_^ not show the "range of emotions previously available"? Is it not as happy as :-)? (Actually, I think it looks happier, but that's just me) If you're referring to the fact that there are many variations upon :-), such as ;-), >:-), :-D, and so forth, there are also a number of variations on ^_^. Ones that spring to mind include -_^ (winking), -_- (eyes drooping/frustrated), ^^; (anime sweatdrop -- nervous, apologetic. No, I don't know why the _ is typically dropped), O_O (amazed), o_o (frightened), =^_^= (cat-smiley; one of my favorites), and so forth. Many people also replace the _ with something else, so you could have ^.^ or ^o^.
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That can not be it. I'm thinking they are talking spoiler as in things that we did not know before the movie. For example this does contain the first shots of The Enemy that I have heard of so far and also we know who does the voice of Gollum in the context of a set of books that has been around this long those are the only things that could really be called "spoilers". In any case I'm all pumped up.
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The website Coming Attractions has links on The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, and Return of the King. It gives TONS of information on who is in it, where it is being filmed, etc...
They also have good information on movies like:
The Matrix Reloaded (Matrix 2)
The Matrix 3
Men In Black 2
and many other movies. If you are interested, they are a great site.
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Ban it for Christian references? Amazing to see this on a site strongly supporting civil liberties...
Amazing how it's a violation of civil rights when the activity is politically correct (atheism or agnosticism) yet not when it's politically incorrect (Christianity).
If you don't like Christianity, don't see it. Mention to all your friends that they shouldn't see it. I hope you don't consider yourself a free speech advocate while calling for a banning.
...but I'll tell you what I'm not looking forward to: Jon Katz's review of Lord of the Rings. "In the wake of post-Columbine injustice, everybody but the Pinkertons are watching Lord of the Rings, a cyber-geek, cyber-thriller which will revolutionize open source. Blah blah blah sweeping generalization blah blah blah rhetorical grandstanding blah blah blah self-aggrandizing claptrap blah blah blah raging jackass..."
Here's another mirror, of the download, not the streamer.
"childish and reeking of latent homosexual undertones" is a bad thing because ... ?
One Site to tell them all,
One Site to remind them,
One Ring to bring them all
and in the darkness completely Slashdot them.