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destinyX writes: "Lineo an embedded linux company and inventors of uClinux (microcontroller linux) produced an intresting 'batteryless' webserver." A very cool creative re-use! You never know when you'll be out in the desert with nothing but a convenient ethernet cable leading toward an oasis I guess.

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  1. An equally useless application for this... by Vic+Metcalfe · · Score: 4

    Hook it up to a water or wind mill, and have it serve a web-cam page of itself running. We should have enough power left to run a quick-cam, shouldn't we?

  2. Obligatory response. by Apuleius · · Score: 2

    Imagine a cluster of these in a health club somewhere.

    1. Re:Obligatory response. by zm · · Score: 2

      A beobike cluster?

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  3. Wouldn't it be nice if (TM) by Apuleius · · Score: 4

    Your exercise bike came linked to a dynamo, so that you could use it to store up power in an array of rechargeables, so you could then then use a Zener diode setup to bypass the power supplies on some of your appliances (when and only when the batteries were up) and power them with the sweat of your brow? You could have an array of Zeners for each voltage level on your radio or other small appliances, and it wouldn't take too much soldering to hook these up. It would make a really cool demo, especially now that Fornicalia is having rolling blackouts and other states may soon as well.

    1. Re:Wouldn't it be nice if (TM) by rsw · · Score: 2

      You may as well not use Zeners. It's likely that you're going to store voltage between 12 and 24 volts, in which case, switching (dc-dc) converters are more efficient.

      Zener regulator setups burn the excess voltage in order to get the proper output; switching converters will (ideally) only use as much power as the load is drawing (of course, it takes a little bit of power to run the switching logic, but that's no big deal). In particular, imagine that you want a 5V supply from a 12V battery, and further that you're drawing 100 mA. If you are using a Zener setup, you'll be pulling a full 1.2 Watts from the battery and only using 500 mW. With a switching power supply, you'll be getting the full 500 mW to the load; the control logic will likely use no more than 50 or 100 mW.

      Since storing energy in batteries at higher voltages is more efficient, the payoff is likely to be even greater than this.

    2. Re:Wouldn't it be nice if (TM) by electricmonk · · Score: 2
      Interesting. You are at MIT, but you obvoiusly belong in California ;-)

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  4. bigger? by Jeremi · · Score: 2
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you made the spring and the crank larger (say 5 feet across) you could store much more energy in it, maybe have the it power the computer for a day?

    Then add a second spring-and-crank mechanism, and a way to 'hot-swap' from the first to the second and back without interrupting the power flow, and you could have a web server that would run continuously, as long as you remembered to wind it up every morning.

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  5. Great for power-cuts - sort of by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2

    This would almost be great for power cuts. When the server gets shut down because of the power-cut lasting longer than the UPS this thing could kick in. The reason I said almost is because while this solves the web-server problem it doesn't sort the problem of the optical-copper bridge, which most companies have, loosing power or the gateway loosing power.

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  6. slow by austad · · Score: 5

    His site is slow, maybe he should crank with the other arm.

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  7. Sexually challenged geeks? by tweder · · Score: 5

    Now it seems that those "computer-types" have a reasonable explanation for their right arm being much larger than their left one.

    :)

  8. Re:how can this be new? by Mignon · · Score: 3

    Yeah, porn sites are already hand powered.

  9. Cheap Embedded Hardware? by superid · · Score: 2
    I know that "cheap" and "embedded" don't usually go together, but there's gotta be an alternative to a $300 uCLinux SIMM. I know that Dallas Semiconductor has a TINI board that is pretty cheap, but its dedicated for Java. So, does anyone know of any alternatives for small and cheap hardware that will run linux?

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  10. Re:Actually... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 3
    A better solution, though, would be to just use batteries. You will get a longer operating time and less carpal tunnel syndrome.

    The thing about batteries, though, is that they always seem to have run out just when you need them most.

    These hand-cranked gizmos are great for emergency or seldom-used gear, because you don't have to worry about batteries having been stored too long, or having run down. Maybe this would be a good way to power emergency-use-only cell phones? Crank it up to dial 911.

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  11. coooooool by SirSlud · · Score: 5

    Finally, we can put all those fired silicon valley geeks back into physical slavery ... powering california's websites by rotating the handle. They'll finally be able to afford a meal and cardboard box again.

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  12. Already been done by wowbagger · · Score: 2

    But not by RackSpace. By VA.
    http://cmdrtaco.net/hamster/

  13. Solar Servers by rkent · · Score: 4
    Oh, man. I've been thinking for years that they ought to just cover the land in Arizona with solar-powered server farms and commodity solar "generators." At least along, for example, I-10 between Tucson and Phoenix, where the sensitive ecosystem is already ruined (my first site nomination is that ludicrous abandoned amusment park near Eloy). With 300+ days of sun per year, the power supply would be rock solid as long as you had enough deep-cell batteries to get you through the monsoons. And you could probably collect way, way more power than you actually needed over the area of the server building, and actually push some back into the Grid.

    It's win-win!

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    1. Re:Solar Servers by ParisTG · · Score: 2

      It's already been done to an extent. SolarHost offers web hosting powered by solar power. They are the people providing hosting for The Formula Sun website. (Formula Sun, incidentally, is a group of races across the USA in various solar powered vehicles. Shameless Plug)

    2. Re:Solar Servers by ParisTG · · Score: 2

      At full sunlight intensity, the sun outputs about 1000W/square meter. Most common solar cells right now are about 15% efficiency (although you can get them commercially at atleast 22%), where you'd get about 150W/sq. meter at full sunlight. That's not too bad, considering 8 sq. meters of these solar cells can propell a solar car at well over 100km/h.

    3. Re:Solar Servers by schulzdogg · · Score: 2

      You forget that there is a large chunk of that land that's Air force owned (drive during the day and you can sometimes see A10's making loops back to the firing range).

  14. my project by waterhouse · · Score: 2

    currently I am working on a companion device. basically it is a rotary motor powered by a gas engine which can be used to turn the crank. the only downside is that all my pets are dying of carbon monoxide poisoning.

  15. Re:Actually... (seriously retro) by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 2
    Maybe this would be a good way to power emergency-use-only cell phones? Crank it up to dial 911
    In the very early days of the phone, people had to crank their phones up to get hold of the operater (similar idea, but lower tech, generator technology).

    Looks like we're within spitting distance of going full circle on this....
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  16. Re:I need something similar. by stilwebm · · Score: 2

    That is going to take a bit more cranking. Above 12W is approaching something that needs pedal power.

  17. Re:Actually... by TwP · · Score: 2

    Umm . . . the machine does user "power" to operate. But I see what you mean about not wanting to introduce 120V AC or 240V AC power into a sensitive area. A better solution, though, would be to just use batteries. You will get a longer operating time and less carpal tunnel syndrome.

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  18. Re:Actually... by TwP · · Score: 3

    To support your point, there was a story on /. a short time ago (sometime in the past two weeks) about a company creating UPS systems based on flywheel technology. The idea is similar - using something besides batteries or "the grid" to supply power to a machine.

    I'm all for alternative forms of power, but the things that keep holding everything back are twofold: (1) consumers are cheap and only want to spend as little as possible; (2) alternative forms of power (batteries, solar, wind, geothermal) are expensive and not nearly as efficient as good old coal, nuclear, and fossil fuel. These two things do not make a good combination for the embracing of more ecologically sound forms of power.

    But as you said, small steps to big goals! The best thing about this project is the creativity factor. These are the kinds of guys you want on your engineering team.

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  19. Re:What a silly waste of time. by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 2
    He did it for fun man. The first electronic (well electromagnetical anyway, he used relays) computer was created by some German dude because he wanted to use it to do his math homework. I can guarantee he spent more time on the comp. than his homework woulda taken, but it was fun man.

    Same thing with this dude. If he spent his time trying to figure out a weird way of getting a low drain computer, more power to him. (Pun pseudo-intended).

  20. What's a Lantern? Hehe by CritterNYC · · Score: 2

    Hehe... You can always spot the stories by Brits and Canadians (and lotsa other folks). For the confused folks, flashlight = lantern. My friend also gave me this handy guide:

    galloshes = rubbers
    elevator = lift
    french fries = chips
    chips = crisps
    crisps (those fat free things we have in the USA) = crap

    Cheers!

  21. You might have something there... by WebCowboy · · Score: 2

    You could hook up the winding mechanism to a treadmill, excercise bike, etc, and stay healthy with a daily 20 minute workout...at the same time recharging your servers!

    <sarcasm>God knows a lot of us geeks could use the workout. Besides, having to "wind up" your servers daily might seem like a chore, but all those poor M$ Windows admins have to reboot daily anyways, so when you think about it there really wouldn't be that much extra work involved...</sarcasm>

  22. Somebody call PETA! by TrebleJunkie · · Score: 4
    In related news, RackSpace has just placed an order for 7.6 million Hamsters.

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  23. how can this be new? by tim_maroney · · Score: 4
    There have been crank sites all over the Internet for years!

    Tim

  24. New Nike webserver... by fmaxwell · · Score: 3
    Maybe Nike could create a huge version of this that had a 10-foot long crank. It could then have third-world children lashed to the crank. The children would pull the crank (like dogs on a dog-sled -- but cheaper), to keep the Nike webserver running.

    Nike might even be able to do web hosting for www.kathieleegifford.com so that Kathie Lee could showcase her clothing line on the web.

  25. Re:Actually... by dasunt · · Score: 2

    It wouldn't be hard to build a battery recharging device that runs off barometric pressure or changes in temperature, although it would require a very low voltage device. There are a few very rare "perpetual motion" clocks in history that used this mechanism to get enough energy to tick until their gears wore out (or, more likely, were take apart for various reasons.)

    Of course, this device seems to draw a lot more current.

  26. The Ultimate Use! by MagikSlinger · · Score: 2

    Of course! Instead of a web-server, add a peer-to-peer client. Add wireless Ethernet and a Carusoe chip, and you can create the ultimate peer-to-peer network for the third world! Imagine it, paying small children to crank their little P2P stations all day in order to provide free MP3's or find the cure for cancer. It's brilliant. Why didn't I think of this before?

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  27. Remember the Apple eMate 300/Freeplay combo? by cryptochrome · · Score: 2

    Sorry guys, but you're many moons too late for this to be new - Apple beat you to it in 1996, in the form of the ill-fated eMate 300 (incidentally, the first translucent Apple product) coupled to a Freeplay generator, for the useful purpose of education and as written in this 1997 press release. Furthermore, although the eMate (and it's parent the Newton) are long dead, the idea is still pretty much on the table with Apple, as this 1999 WIRED article points out. Who knows, with Apple seemingly interested in getting into the PDA market again, we may yet see this idea resurrected in commercial form.

    Long and short of it - screw webservers. Think of powering keyboard-equipped highly functional PDAs with these things.

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  28. Does this remind anyone else by tb3 · · Score: 2

    of the 'missing' Pinky and the Brain episode?
    "Faster, Pinky, or my DDoS attack will never work!"

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  29. Re:Actually... by Magumbo · · Score: 2
    Technology advances in small steps, not giant leaps.

    Precisely. That's why I'm busy modifying the design to run on hamster power.

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  30. SetiByHand by ColGraff · · Score: 4

    Imagine putting seti@home on one of these lantern computers, along with a wireless modem and Iridium hookup. You wouldn't even need a display, just crank in order to get a few of those oh-so-crucial work units out for Team Whatever. You could distribute these computers in third-world countries, and have massive computing power from millions of people just cranking these things a few minutes at a time.

    No, I am not being serious.

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  31. Actually... by Gazelem · · Score: 2
    I see a potential use in cases where you can connect to an ISP of some kind via line-of-sight but in an area that is environmentally sensitive such that you don't want to introduce power or where the interference of running power would be harmful to the conditions of an experiment. What this could do is allow a machine to do data sampling and serve it immediately rather than have it uploaded and then served. It essentially takes out a middleman.

    The more innovative technologies we can have, the more the inventive minds can implement those technologies is useful and beneficial ways.

  32. Re:Actually... by Gazelem · · Score: 2
    Yeah it does and while I agree that by itself it is of limited use, I'm more referring to its potential in underlying technology implementation.

    Technology advances in small steps, not giant leaps. Unfortunately, to get to what appears to be those leaps, the small steps in between can often seem rather silly. But if we look beyond things as they exactly are and use something like this to say, "It's not quite right but if I added this one little thing..." then the technology advances.

    My major point was that this type of technology has some good use, even if the actually application still has kinks.