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Sweat-Eating Bacteria to Live in Your Clothes

amyaimee writes: "Perfect for you hygiene-challenged computer geeks (you know who you are): New Scientist reports on a new clothing made of milkweed containing a special strain of e. coli designed to feed on human sweat and the proteins that cause B.O. Alex Lightman of Charmed Technology quips, "I wear the same pair of jeans all the time and I'm sure they have bacterial colonies living in them, but if they were selected to convert my sweat into sweet-smelling pheromones, that would be great," he says."

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  1. Selling the threads by HiThere · · Score: 2

    Buy our flasy new threads, with NEW, IMPROVED pheremone enhancement. These clothes will actually generate attractive scents as you wear them! etc., etc.

    Selling these wouldn't be a problem. Just don't mention that your new improved process involves live bacterial cultures. (OTOH, live yoghurt sells well, so that may not be necessary.)


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  2. Mine smell like Linda Evans in "Mitchell" by Chewie · · Score: 2

    In the words of MST3K, "Well, she was going to smell like beer sooner or later."

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  3. Re:Worse... by British · · Score: 2

    There would be a lot of naked hippies?

  4. Re:Dude what a great .sig! by MustardMan · · Score: 2

    call me stupid, but i still don't get it

  5. Worse... by Velox_SwiftFox · · Score: 2

    What if your milkweed-based clothing were infested by ravenous mutant Monarch butterfly larvae?

  6. Re:e. coli? by vrt3 · · Score: 2

    There are lots of different strains of Escherichia Coli, some good, some bad. This micro-organism is very well known since it is easy to research.

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  7. Keeping the bacteria going by camusflage · · Score: 2

    >Fowler hopes to reactivate them by soaking
    >the milkweed fibres in additional nutrients.

    Waiter, I'll have the soup and salad combo. Can I have a big bowl of beef broth too? It's for my jacket...

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  8. How does one keep bacteria? by ^Z · · Score: 2
    There are several questions to be answered before I use something like such bacteria.
    • Would not these bacteria proliferate too much? :-) That is, I'd dislike my shirt to become visibly spotted with a bacterial colony in the place of a sweat stain. With bacterial attitude to multiply exponentially, this can be an issue. Also, when such 'on-the-spot' colonies then die out to 'normal' concentration, they should not leave something wrong. Happily, AFAIK, most bacteria 'corpses' decay without smell or hazardous proteins.
    • How will the bacteria survive washing, esp. with those 'bio' detergents, and ironing? Surely, bacteria population will be severely oppressed by this, if not killed completely. So, clothes owner will either feed the bacteria somehow (sprinkle sugar solution over a freshly-washed shirt, anyone?) or wait some time before bacteria restore normal concentration and start to work, or maybe even apply them to the clothes again. Also, if bacteria died out on some spot of your clothes (where your iron was occasionally stopped for a moment), how long will it take for them to get there again? How mobile should they be, then?
    • If bacteria are noticeably mobile, would not they eventually populate your other clothes? (This can be seen as a positive effect, though.)
    • And, of course, how is it guaranteed that the bacteria will produce odourless (and non-hazardous) products only, as intended? Small genetic deviations are inevitable, as thousands of generations of bacteria evolve. JFYI, sweat itself is near odourless, it is microbial organisms that live in armpits that produce smelly substances out of it. And, to make one feel an odour, it takes very small quantity of molecules; to destroy the odour, near all these molecules are to be caught and destroyed. That is, it takes significantly less effort (and bacteria) to produce an odour than to destroy it.

    Where such bacteria could make real sense is one-time non-fabric underwear and such -- I heard that in Japan it is a usual thing.

    A spray that contain these bacteria in inactive state, that can be used on any clothes (or a car seat, or whatever) could be much more practical.

    A genetic mechanism that forces the bacteria to die after, say, 1e+5 generations, can be seen as a reasonable safety measure, too.

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  9. Who the hell is Alex Lightman? by SIGFPE · · Score: 2
    Alex Lightman of Charmed Technology quips, "I wear the same pair of jeans all the time and I'm sure they have bacterial colonies living in them, but if they were selected to convert my sweat into sweet-smelling pheromones, that would be great," he says.
    Alex Lightman, whoever he is, makes a really lame joke of the sort you might expect from an 8 year old /. reader, and yet it's posted as a news story. Isn't there any quality control?
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  10. Re:Smell by Dr_Cheeks · · Score: 2
    I'm afraid I've never heard of that one - I live in the UK, and while we've got a lot of the same brands as the US I don't think that one's out over here.

    As I said in my original post - most brands do nothing. It's about time they came up with some that do, though I'd rather have anti-perspirant cos sweat is still kinda gross even if it doesn't smell.

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  11. Re:you're my hero! by Dr_Cheeks · · Score: 2
    Glad I entertained you : )

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  12. Damn! my only accurate choice; missing! by deglr6328 · · Score: 2

    The one time that the ever inane "CowboyNeal" option would actually be funny and it's not even an option.

    Sigh.. I guess I'll just have to choose "Rolling Rock, or maybe it was Heineken" since it did take about 6.

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  13. Sweat-Eating Bacteria by jstypo · · Score: 2

    Cool! I wonder whether the bacteria's excreta will smell better or worse than the perspiration they feed on! Any thoughts on this?

  14. Shower by WildBeast · · Score: 2

    Thanks to that kind of innovation now I won't have to take a shower every month, it'll probably be every three months or so :)

  15. Washing instructions? by egjertse · · Score: 2
    All nice and dandy - but me being a geek, I always machine-wash my clothes at 90 degrees celsius, using whatever detergent I can find on sale. Surely, this will have som negative impact on the bacteria?

    Since I never iron my shirts, I guess that won't be much of a problem though.

  16. you're my hero! by Technodummy · · Score: 2

    best laugh I've had all day, thanks buddy *LOL*

  17. Dude what a great .sig! by abe+ferlman · · Score: 2

    Took me a second to digest it. Ah, for the days when ascii art was king. Adobe ASCIIshop anyone?

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    1. Re:Dude what a great .sig! by jsse · · Score: 2

      Took me a second to digest it. Ah, for the days when ascii art was king. Adobe ASCIIshop anyone?

      *blush* sorry about that. I really want to make it better but in view of the words limitation in sig.... :/

      It looks okay in netscape, but I found it looks awful in IE....is that MS behind all these again? :D

  18. Next up, dust eating parasites... by dmouritsendk · · Score: 2

    Since I actually wash myself minimum once a day(if ive played soccer or skateboarded that that day, I would probertly do two :o) , a dust eating parasite would be alot more interesting. Then i wouldnt have to clean my appartment all the time.. Dust sucks...

    PS. Get a girlfriend, she probertly wouldnt let you run around in the same pants all the time anyway..

  19. Washing? by GreyPoopon · · Score: 2
    I wonder how well the bacteria would stand up to washing. Or maybe they'll come up with bacteria that feeds on common clothing stains, too. That way, you'd never have to wash them. Imagine: No more shrinking jeans episodes!! That way, if your clothing was too tight, you'd have nothing else to blame but your poor eating habits.

    A question: any chance those E. coli bacteria could mutate into a harmful strain?

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    1. Re:Washing? by TomV · · Score: 3
      I wonder how well the bacteria would stand up to washing.

      As you saw when you read the article, but seem to have forgotten in the intervening time, you don't wash them. they live off the dirt in your clothes. and if you leave your clothes clean for long enough for them to become dormant, you feed them by wearing the clothes.

      Or maybe they'll come up with bacteria that feeds on common clothing stains, too. That way, you'd never have to wash them

      Again, when you looked at the title of this story, you noted the words "Sweat-Eating Bacteria to Live in Your Clothes", and when you read the article, you noted that you wouldn't have to wash clothes anymore due to the bacteria keeping them clean. And then the amnesia hit again.

      A question: any chance those E. coli bacteria could mutate into a harmful strain?

      Clearly, the answer is yes. although there are thousands of strains without which we'd all starve due to our inadequate guts, and a very limited number of strains which are harmful. But as long as you can resist eating Bart's shorts.....

      TomV

    2. Re:Washing? by GreyPoopon · · Score: 3
      As you saw when you read the article, but seem to have forgotten in the intervening time, you don't wash them. they live off the dirt in your clothes.

      Perhaps you should read more carefully yourself. Although my memory is fading, and I can't re-read the article because it's giving a JRUN error now, I believe that the bacteria currently don't live off of dirt, or even sweat for that matter. They live off of some nutrients they soaked into the fibers. However, the statement was that they could be ALTERED to live off of sweat and body-odor causing chemicals. This, however, is only about 2/3 of the reason we wash clothing. The other 1/3 would be the grass stains, grape juice, or general mud and dirt that find their way to our clothing. My comment was merely to point out what washing would do, and promote discussion on whether the bacteria could be engineered to feed off of other substances that typically prompt us to wash our clothing.

      although there are thousands of strains without which we'd all starve due to our inadequate guts

      Yeah, that's one of life's more funny ironies. Your body can't do without something that can kill it. Of course, I guess you could say the same thing about water. As for eating Bart's shorts? Let's get Mikey to eat them. :)

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  20. Re:are these researchers smoking the milkweed? by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

    you're totally right... but that would be one hacked bacterial genome!

    normally in the fermentation/ rot/ stinkiness process, successive cycles of creatures take over these descending paths of chemical dead-ends as you suggested from acids to alcohols to formaldehydes to carbon dioxide... as the chemical environment changes...

    having said that, why hack one organism's genome? stick all these organisms together in cooperative symbiotic mode, like a lichen, just like in nature ;-)

    then encapsulate them all in some sort of semi-permeable membrane/ beads and you won't have to worry about them competing with the wild bacteria

    now the problem is that this becomes a real complex bio-hack... good luck! ;-P

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  21. Is this good or bad news? by ascii(64) · · Score: 2
    Sience update:
    The smell you have under your arms is not the sweat itself.
    Its the excrement of the bacterias that is living under your arms and feesding on your sweat.

    So if the other type of bacterias manour is smelling better it migth be a good thing :)

    Or how about this:
    Genemanipulate a bacteria that will eat other sweat bacteria.
    Other modifcations:
    Make the excrement that the bacteria produce smell better.

    No mather what the choises wil be... take a shower

    Ascii(64)

  22. Smelly Footsies by standards · · Score: 2

    A few years ago, Dinson-Merrill developed a similar product in order to significantly improve their odor-eater-type shoe insert/foot desmellerizer product.

    During pre-production product testing, they discovered that about 2% of the pilot program users had developed a serious allergic reaction to the bacteria. The last I heard, the product was put on the back burner - they couldn't adequately circumvent the health issue.

    This seems like a nearly identical idea, and so the same health concerns would apply.

  23. Cameron Diaz will be happy by simpleguy · · Score: 3

    I read somewhere that Cameron Diaz hates deodorant and anti-perspirant. I am willing to bet money she will pet some of these bacteria :)

    Mmmm, me wants to become sweat-eating bacteria on her now !#%

  24. Re:are these researchers smoking the milkweed? by Guppy · · Score: 3

    "the majority of their metabolic byproducts will still be what makes them "gross": lactic acid, butyric acid, tartaric acid, other nasty smelling compounds..."

    Not necessarily, there are other compounds which can also serve as the end product of a fermentation process. For instance, alcohols. And if you choose to use more advanced organisms that engage in oxidative phosphorylation, you can go all the way to C02 + H2O.

    On a different note, I'd choose something other than E. coli for this purpose. An endospore-forming bacterium would be much tougher, as you could expect at least a small fragment of the population to survive just about anything short of an autoclave.

  25. Re:e. coli? by Basje · · Score: 3

    The primary source of E.Coli is feces (i.e.shit). It lives (and helps) in your digestive system. It survives outside for a relative long period, longer than most bacteria.

    Thus E.Coli (Escheria Coli) is used as an indicator for bacteria in drinking water in general. Drinking water that is contaminated with E.Coli probably is contaminated with sewer water.



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  26. Re:Why Angelina Jolie? by radja · · Score: 3

    it's my shirt, my boxers, and she's wearing 'em.

    //rdj

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  27. No more personal space by leucadiadude · · Score: 3

    Well, there goes the best way to get some space on the subway/bus. No more three weeks+ old B.O.

  28. Re:Smell by Dr_Cheeks · · Score: 3
    The smelly part of sweat is produced by bacteria, and deodorants try to keep those bacteria from growing.
    Actually, the majority of deodorants are nothing more than perfumes to mask the smell - they do nothing to prevent the bacteria. There's also anti-perspirants, which stop you sweating (with limited success) and give the bacteria less food, but don't directly kill them.

    The only such product I've seen that has anti-bacterial properties is a King Of Shaves spray with some sort of bacteria-killing herbal extract - dunno if you'd call this a deodorant or not

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  29. I have this already... by tenzig_112 · · Score: 3
    I have a pair of shoes that converts my sweat into a greenish goo. Does that count?

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  30. If they had a choice... by jsse · · Score: 3

    I wear the same pair of jeans all the time and I'm sure they have bacterial colonies living in them

    I'm sure they'd rather live in vacuum if they had a choice.

  31. Milkweed Clothing by Dr_Cheeks · · Score: 4
    Mmmm, sounds so appealing. Wouldn't it be simpler to just put these in a deodorant stick/ball/spray? That way you can apply them direct to your sweaty bits. For example - if the British summer ever gets warm enough I frequently take my shirt off, but my pits still sweat. Plus, this wouldn't mean you have to replace your entire wardrobe - you could just change deodorant.

    Incidentally, does anyone know just how close to the skin these clothes have to be? I don't want to have to have a permanent wedgie when it's warm just because my ass sweats a lot.

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  32. My clothes smell like: by atrowe · · Score: 5
    Option 8: Richard Stallman.

    Wait, I guess that's the same as Option 5: "That homeless guy on the subway".

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  33. are these researchers smoking the milkweed? by circletimessquare · · Score: 5

    bacteria are bacteria are bacteria...

    yeah sure, you can engineer them to manufacture some phermones, or lilac scent, or febreeze, or whatever as a byproduct of their metabolic efforts, but:

    the majority of their metabolic byproducts will still be what makes them "gross": lactic acid, butyric acid, tartaric acid, other nasty smelling compounds...

    it's hard to simply edit these compounds out of the bacterial output, as these compounds are simply the natural chemical dead-ends to well-established bacterial metabolic pathways.

    "well, you can engineer other processes to destroy these compounds as well"

    ...but there is a reason why these compounds are natural chemical dead-ends... they are energetic dead-ends as well: it's breaking the second law of thermodynamics: you can't have the bacteria churning out more energetic chemical processes than the energy you give them... there's a reason lactic acid is a dead-end chemical street: the bacteria have evolved to extract as much energy from a chemical source as they could, and they have, and they do... there's no getting around that energetic roadblock...

    plus, like any other ecosystem: the savannah, a coral reef, your intestines, there is a bitter battle for survival raging.

    it has been proven that bacteria without antibiotic resistance successfully displace and kill off bacteria with antibiotic resistance in the wild... why? because to defend themselves against antibiotics, resistant bacteria are exerting a hefty metabolic toll in order to survive... without antibiotics to worry about, those bacteria who are free to devote all of their metabolic efforts to survival and reproduction will outcompete their metabolically-hobbled cousins...

    so what do you think will happen in these milkweed clothes when mr. i-make-phermones bacteria functioning at 70% metabolic maximum due to it's genetically-engineered burden is forced to compete for food with mr. wild-as-i-wanna-be bacteria functioning at 100% metabolic maximum? hmmph

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