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Pillars Underwater

iammichael writes "Scientists scouring the Atlantic Ocean have found huge towers of stone (the tallest ever) that they've named the "The Lost City" since they are located on a seafloor mountain named Atlantis Massif. Read about it on Yahoo news or CNN"

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  1. Phil's underwear?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    You know it's been a long night when /. headlines start looking even stranger than usual.

    Geesh.

  2. AYBABTU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5
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  3. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5

    Chances are, in my opinion, America _was_ atlantis- plato's map of the capital of atlantis was still similar to the centre of Aztlan at the time the Spanish found it, at least a millenium after the events Plato chronicled were supposed to have taken place. I think conventional wisdom has kept quiet the extent of european-american contact in early history - And there's the roman remains recently found in the gulf, suggesting at least a little early european-american contact.

    Interestingly, Irish legend places one of the parent races of the Irish people, coming from the west, with advanced technology (for the time - including a prosthetic hand???) - though it must be pointed out that anyone coming by sea from africa or the mediterranean will also finally approach Ireland from the south-west. But Irish legend places the kingdom of the immortals, Tir na nOg, to the west, across the ocean. In fact, every sea-going european race extant at or a bit before plato's time talks about land to the far west of europe....

  4. Whoa. Revelation! by torpor · · Score: 5

    Thermophiles, the only inhabitants of the Lost City, include archaea, a recently discovered class of organisms which scientists believe are among the most primitive on earth.


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  5. No... by Danse · · Score: 2

    It should be "The Previously Lost, But Recently Found City."

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  6. What anthropologists say when they don't know by evilandi · · Score: 2
    devphil "Hey, there's nothing to the west that we can see; it's gotta be better than what we know right now, let's invent legends about it." Okay, so I would've made a lousy anthropologist. :-)

    Judging by the way most anthropologists and archaeologists classify anything they can't understand as "Religious Significance", I'd say you have a very fine grasp of the subject.

    In a few thousand years' time, I expect most of the freebie merchandise handed out at computer exhibitions will be classified as being of "Religious Significance". All hail the mighty Dust Puppy and praise to the Novelty Mobile Phone Holder.

    One wonders what anthropologists and archaeologists would make of an entirely agnostic or aetheist society. Speaking as an agnostic myself, I really irks me that long after my death, people will be slapping "Religious Significance" labels over my property.

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    1. Re:What anthropologists say when they don't know by aussersterne · · Score: 5

      "Religious significance" may be what "television anthropologists" cite, but speaking as an Anthropologist of sorts, I'd have to say that it's not always the best explanation for things.

      Also understand that pop culture can sometimes reinforce things like "religious significance" as an explanation. For example, witness the number of people running around these days with the hazy idea that in early human history, we all worshipped some universal "mother goddess" across all cultures -- very politically correct, and very popular... Seems to give people, especially women, a real warm fuzzy. The evidence people have heard/seen? So-called "fertility figurines" from any number of cultures as seen [of course] on TV documentaries. And of course, it's all nonsense.

      This view is certainly not the accepted one within the academic community, for the most part, and certainly not in the universal sense. For all we know, these figurines are the Barbie Dolls of ancient children in one culture and wig-holders in another. But you won't sell product if you spend an hour saying "we don't know" on television.

      What I'm getting at is that when you say "judging by the way most anthropologists and archaeologists classify..." it appears that you're mostly looking at the wrong anthropologists and archaeologists. Read the Anthropology journals instead -- the cable channels are in it for the ratings.

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    2. Re:What anthropologists say when they don't know by ReverendGraves · · Score: 5
      "Religious significance" may be what "television anthropologists" cite, but speaking as an Anthropologist of sorts, I'd have to say that it's not always the best explanation for things.

      My sister-in-law studied anthro and archeology for about eight years, and she had an interesting story to tell along these lines a few weeks ago -- one of those things that she picked up in college... some of the students at her University had chosen to move into a primitive pseudo-Celtic settlement, in an attempt to study the effect of so-called primitive living on health.

      When the research crew came in several months later to quietly observe the "Celts," they discovered a phenomena that had been found in excavations of true Celt villages -- shallow indentations in the floor just inside and to the sides of the doorways. This had always been attributed to unknown religious tradition -- the old standby of previously unexplained phenomena. When they asked one of the "Celts" what the significance was, assuming they were offering pits, or some such, the response rather shocked the researchers:

      The "Celt" said, "Oh, that's nothing... every time it rains, the chickens come into the [hut], walk a little way out of the doorway, and flap their wings against the ground for a bit to knock the water off."

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  7. Ai! Cthulhu F'Tagn! by jjohn · · Score: 2

    Beware! The lost city of R'lyeh has been found and the dead nightmare god Cthulhu will soon awaken from his dreaming to visit untold horrors upon mankind! Run!

  8. These could be the power pillars by bjb · · Score: 2
    If anyone is familiar with the man Edgar Cayce (a.k.a. "The Sleeping Prophet"), you may have read about his readings on Atlantis. If the man's hit/miss ratio is keeping at the same phenominal rate and this is what I think it might be, then we've just stumbled across the power source for the population of Atlantis.

    Basically, the source of electrical power for the people of Atlantis was a ruby-like gem housed in a tower that emitted some laser-like beam of energy. This energy was the source of all of the Atlantian technology.

    While this gem was the source of all of their power, it was also the reason for their eventual destruction due to some kind of over use or abuse.

    Regardless, this is not a fantasy that I've made up, this is actually what Edgar Cayce had told in one of his many readings on Atlantis. I don't have a URL for more information, but there are books on Edgar Cayce and his readings on Atlantis if you're interested. You may also want to check out the book "The Sleeping Prophet". This man was no joke (b. late 1800's, d. 1942?)

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  9. Oh great ... by MouseR · · Score: 3

    Disney marketing just reached new depths ...

    Karma karma karma karma karmeleon: it comes and goes, it comes and goes.

  10. Aztlan? by Pseudonymus+Bosch · · Score: 2

    I didn't know that the Spanish ever went to Aztlan. As far as I know, it is a legendary place supposed to be somewhere in US California, maybe LA.

    And if you mean Tenochtitlan, a city built on a lake, with canals and all that, it was built when the Aztecs arrived to the lake, somewhen in the XII or XIII century. Well after Plato.
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  11. Some FAR more interesting underwater structures... by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 5
    ...have been discovered near Cuba. Far more interesting, because the principle investigators believe they're man made.

    And they're not merely a 2200-year-old city in shallow water like the one recently-discovered off the coast of Egypt -- these structures are 800 meters deep, and must be far older.

    If this discovery is verified, it'll be huge.

    Read about it on a mainstream site (MSNBC -- quick, grab it before it disappears from Google's cache!)
    or get more detail from this fringe site.

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  12. Re:Fairly meaningless by unitron · · Score: 2

    You're thinking of that other ark, the ark of the covenant, in which they kept the stone tablets on which the ten commandments were carved.

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  13. Re:Some FAR more interesting underwater structures by GypC · · Score: 2

    Huge? No it will be buried and forgotten like all the other evidence of an advanced prehistoric civilization. The so-called "scientists" that make up archaeology's status quo really don't want to rewrite their textbooks...

  14. Re:Some FAR more interesting underwater structures by GypC · · Score: 2

    Give any engineer a tour of the great pyramids and show him the gigantic interior granite slabs fitted together with incredible precision and ask him if he could duplicate it with today's technology given an unlimited budget.

    Or take him to Macchu Pichu and ask him the same question.

  15. Black Smokers come on shore sometimes... by rthille · · Score: 2


    You've probably seen the videos of black smokers giving off what looks like soot on the ocean floor. Well, sometimes they get carried across the ocean floor with the plate, but instead of getting carried into the subduction zone, they get scraped off onto shore. You can find the remains of one if these in the back country of Santa Barbara, CA.

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  16. Re:Um... by rjk · · Score: 2

    > Chances are, in my opinion, America _was_ atlantis

    I think Crete and Santorini are a considerably better bet if you're looking for the origins of the Atlantis myth.

    They're closer to where the myth grew up, they had a flourishing civilisation at the right time and it probably was wiped out by natural disaster (volcanic explosion on Santorini, leading to a tidal wave hitting Crete). You can visit these places and look at rather ancient ruins, and wonder if these are the places which inspired the story.

    Putting the Spanish arrival in America "at least a millenium" later is an underestimate, two to three millenia might be a bit closer.

  17. Re:Misinformation Capitalizing on the Atlantis Mov by davebo · · Score: 2

    > when everyone just saw the Atlantis movie . . .

    You were disappointed?

    Imagine thier disappointment when they realized that NOBODY saw the Atlantis movie!

  18. NOT man made by magic · · Score: 2
    The story and the slashdot post are really misleading... these are natural formations, not man-made structures. The lost city of Atlantis has not been found, that is just the result of playful naming by the scientists involved. You can now return to your regularly scheduled life.

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  19. Re:Um... by MindStalker · · Score: 3

    The Yahoo article in amazingly deceptive if you only read the first few paragraphs. The stone towers are actually natually formed volcanic vents. Its just that because they are so huge and are found in "Atlantis" the scientist thought it would be cute to call this formation of rocks the "Lost City". It is NOT Atlantis.

  20. As much as I'd like to believe it... by macdaddy · · Score: 2
    ...the "18-story-high towers of stone" boggle my mind to the point where I can't really see how human back then could have built such a thing. I don't know how tall the Pyramids are but still, that's really friggin' tall. It would be really cool if it really was Atlantis or some other great city or structure lost for centuries. The Yahoo article says that the pillars were found near "volcanic fault ridges". Is it possible that these pillars are really volcanic lava vents that once filled with lava and cooled to form a tall columns of igneous rock and that somehow the surounding ocean floor (silt or whatever it might be) was washed from around the columns or a siesmic event left the columns standing but took most of the ocean floor with it? I don't know. It would rock if it was human made but I just do see how it could be. I wonder how tall the Pyramids are...

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  21. well.. by macdaddy · · Score: 2
    ..after reading the rest of the article I see now that they did actually talking about volcanic possibilities so it looks like my observations aren't unique. Oh well. Maybe next time.

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  22. Well, of course it was to the west. by devphil · · Score: 5
    In fact, every sea-going european race extant at or a bit before plato's time talks about land to the far west of europe....

    ...because they knew from first-hand experience that going to the land to the east meant you got killed by migrating Mongols, going to the lands in the south meant you got killed by expanding Greeks, Romans, Persians, or Africans, and going to the lands in the north meant you froze to death or drowned. "Hey, there's nothing to the west that we can see; it's gotta be better than what we know right now, let's invent legends about it."

    Okay, so I would've made a lousy anthropologist. :-)

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  23. Eh? by Shadowcaster · · Score: 2
    Are these pillars anything like the "discovery" of that lost city which so conveniently resurfaced (the discovery, not the city ;) at around the same time as that "Atlantis" movie?

    Speaking of that movie, am I the only one that gets irritated by the McDonald's commercial? "I speak Atlantian".. Not after I hit her in the face with a brick. ;)

  24. Those aren't lost towers by joq · · Score: 3


    Jimmy Hoffa is buried in dem things der tuff guy

  25. It figures by Webmoth · · Score: 2

    So the pillars of society in Atlantis are venting.

    What else is new?

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  26. Re:Tabloid Slashdot? by Guyote · · Score: 2

    True. But people that have followed the discovery of oceanic ridges, tetonic plates, and the hydrothermal vents with their odd life-forms that have been in the common press off and on for the last twenty odd years would NOT have assumed right off that this was mention of the discovery of the city of Alantis....

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  27. Anime Rip Off by zpengo · · Score: 4
    CNN and Yahoo! just ripped off that story from some Japanese anime.

    Geez, how many times is this story going to be posted?

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  28. Re:Some FAR more interesting underwater structures by Sidlon · · Score: 2

    I agree that is seems strange not to release any images; however, considering the validity of Zelitsky's last find, maybe her team deserves the benefit of the doubt?

  29. Re:Cthulu by MrBlack · · Score: 2

    True about the pacific, I was thinking more of the proported cyclopean size of the structures in Ry'leh when I made the reference.

  30. Cthulu by MrBlack · · Score: 4

    could this be the famous city Ry'leh where Cthulu lies dreaming?

    1. Re:Cthulu by Salsaman · · Score: 2
      It's Cthulhu, not Cthulu, and I just posted this

  31. Re:Um... by Dr_Cheeks · · Score: 2

    The Gulf Stream and the prevailing winds both flow/blow East. Sure, you might end up landing in Africa instead of Ireland, but if you've just sailed across the Atlantic, following the coastline North shouldn't be too intimidating.

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  32. note by Khopesh · · Score: 2

    this is not about a civilization.

    the phrase "lost city" seems more interesting than this oceanographic discovery of the decade.

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  33. More info about Archaea by khym · · Score: 3

    The archaea (or archaebacteria) are an interesting group of organism. They look like bacteria, but are more closely related to plants and animals than to bacteria, even though they have the circular DNA of bacteria rather than the straight DNA of animals/plants. The can also survive in a remarkable range of hostile environments. Two interesting pages on them are:


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  34. Re:Atlanta by __aapbgd5977 · · Score: 2
    Hey, it's not beyond belief that Atlanta would be picked up and moved to the center of the ocean - I mean, it'd probably make for easier Delta connections, and who wants to be in the South? :) At least that's the way Futurama told it.

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  35. Re:Misinformation Capitalizing on the Atlantis Mov by hrieke · · Score: 2

    So that explains why I was in the theater!

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  36. For all you Lovecraft fans... by Salsaman · · Score: 2
    Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wagh'nagl fhtagn.

  37. Re:come on by Misch · · Score: 3

    everyone should know this is just another disney promotion.

    Well, of course it is. It was one of the top 3 stories on ABCNews.com today. And, as many people know, ABCNews is owned by the Disney corporation.

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  38. Tabloid Slashdot? by InfinityWpi · · Score: 5

    You notice that the writeup doesn't mention these are naturally-occuring pillars? You make it sound like they're man-made Greek columns or something...

  39. Re:Um... by shokk · · Score: 5

    Formally, it is "The City Formerly Known As Lost", but they're having trouble coming up with one of those Prince symbols.

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  40. come on by vectus · · Score: 2
    everyone should know this is just another disney promotion.

    watch, in a week, disney will come out with some new toys for McDonalds toys.

  41. Re:Um... by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

    Actually, the ancients considered everything west over the Atlantic as literally the end of the world. It would be akin to us looking in the space.

    It's small wonder why legends about superior people from the west of the Atlantic are so prevalent in European mythology.

  42. Re:In other news. by micromoog · · Score: 2

    i guess the mods thought it was silly for you to point out the obvious

  43. Sensationalizism...Bad Yahoo? Bad! by QwkHyenA · · Score: 2
    Yahoo? intentionally sensationalized the entire report. You have to read a few lines before you realize this isn't about finding part of Atlantis.

    Read CNN's review of the information (which has a pic BTW) for a better understanding of what the discovery is really about (hydrothermal vent communities...Specifically..A whole new type!!)

    Yahoo?, Why didn't you just stick to search engines??

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  44. That was news by biltmore · · Score: 2

    ..........a few months ago.
    Nice of Yahoo and CNN to finally pick it up.

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  45. Underground geysers? by Traicovn · · Score: 3

    "It's a brand new kind of hydrothermal system,"

    Actually, it's probably been happening for hundreds of thousands of years....

    The pictures are kind of neat though, and it's alway interesting to see what kinds of new life have turned up here on earth. (they mentioned they had reccently found some one-celled organisms living near the vents) It's hard to imagine sometimes, that even with all the technology like satellite imaging looking down on the earth, there are still places that are mysteries.

    Looking at the description, they sound kinda like underwater hotsprings or geysers (like the ones out in Yellowstone) and they build a kind of dome or tower because of a build up of the minerals that are expunged from the opening. One would think that these would be larger and hotter being closer to earth's core, but apparently that's not the case.

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  46. Re:Some FAR more interesting underwater structures by tmark · · Score: 2
    I'm suspicious of the article. The woman quoted describes beautiful structures which are 'obviously' manmade, but indicates that don't have the videotaped evidence...yet. How hard would it be to rig a videocamera to capture their 'high-resolution sonar images' ? Come on, if you have some big scientific discovery, this sounds like it would be the first thing you would do if you were a media whore, which she seems to be.

    She also refers to ' limitless, rolling, white sand plains '. Forgetting that 'rolling' suggests something quite different from 'plains', how does she tell what color the sand plains are from a sonar image ? And why haven't these rolling plains been disturbed by detritus/currents/tides ? Why hasn't the color of these plains been distorted by algae/corals/debris ?

  47. Misinformation Capitalizing on the Atlantis Movie? by bahtama · · Score: 3
    I can see the gleam in the eye of these researchers. Announce the existance of these towers when everyone just saw Atlantis the movie. What the headline fails to mention is that they are natural towers, not man-made. I was a little disappointed when I read the article, I was hoping for proof that I am the reincarnation of the high king of Atlantis, but I guess the proof will have to wait.

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  48. Re:Some FAR more interesting underwater structures by imipak · · Score: 2
    Me, too... I think the key phrase is this one:
    "As you know, we have financing problems. This is a very expensive activity. They give us technology and financing. We provide historical and ocean expertise," said Eddy Fernandez, vice president of [ the Cuban partner company ] Geomar.
    Riiiiight...OK. I think I see how those sonar images might have been, uh, misinterpreted... Though if it really is a human settlement which is now 800m below sealevel, something we thought we knew is wrong.
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  49. Re:Um... by tantrum · · Score: 2
    I think Crete and Santorini are a considerably better bet if you're looking for the origins of the Atlantis myth.

    The Santorini/Crete is actually one of the most likely answers to the stories of Atlantis, both theese Islands once had some of the most important ports in the mediterraninan (how on earth is that spelled?). The Islands were very rich, and they had some of the most up-to-date technology of that time.

    Unfortunately Santorini blew up, and killed all of the Islands inhbitants. I guess that all the sailors that were going to Santorini got kind of surprised when they realised that Santorini had dissapeared (well almost) and killed of most of Crete as well..

    Santorini might also be responsible for drowning the Egyptian army that tried to catch Moses as well. Not that I am to interrested in religion, though.

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  50. Atlantis was found a few weeks ago by glrotate · · Score: 2

    It was at http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010514/lf/cuba_t reasure_dc_1.html

    Researchers found it off of the coast of cuba while looking for sunken treasure. National Geographic plans an expedition. Art Bell covered it fairly well when it happened.

    Hopefully someone will be able to find the link.

  51. Great! by ez76 · · Score: 3

    Now we just need to find the Perspex Pillar and the Golden Bail of Prosperity and the Wikkit Gate shall be restored!

  52. Atlanta by Yorrike · · Score: 3
    It's the lost city of Atlanta.

    Just be thankful that Ted Turner, Jane Fonda, that guy who invented Coke, and a magician got out before it sank.

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  53. Wouldn't it make more sense to call it "The Found City?"

    It's a bit pessimistic to start right off assuming we're going to lose it.
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    1. Re:Um... by Boiling_point_ · · Score: 3
      In fact, every sea-going european race extant at or a bit before plato's time talks about land to the far west of europe....

      Well, doesn't that make perfect sense, since they could (and did) strut about all over the land to the South, East and North? I mean, where else was there to put a mythical land, other than West?

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  54. Re:They aren't towers of stone. by 6EQUJ5 · · Score: 2


    Yeah sure, and that's not a penis on the Little Mermaid promo poster... you work for Disney, don't you!

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