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Toshiba's Handheld Enters the Fray

Chanc_Gorkon writes "Check this new handheld being released by Toshiba: The Toshiba Genio e550 series will be powered by a 206MHz StrongARM processor, 32MB ROM, 32MB RAM, and a 3.5?? reflection TFT running at 240 x 320 x 16-bit color. The e550 will also support industry standard Compact Flash Type II cards as well as the newest expansion technology, a Secure Digital cards for SD Memory and SDIO cards. The e550 will be 77.5 x 125 x 17.5mm in size, weigh 180grams and run 8 hours on its Lithium-ion battery. And now to the major news about Toshiba's new Pocket PC ... one version of the Genio (the e550/MD) will have an integrated 1GB IBM Microdrive! " Presumably handhelds.org will have a port fairly soon since this is fairly similiar to the iPaq. Especially exciting news about the gigabyte microdrive capable version. Suddenly a handheld usable for more then just a PDA and terminal.

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  1. Hey Rob? Settle a bet for me. by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 2
    I know your perl skillz aren't really that elite. So that's why I'm asking this question.

    Is the date string for "by USER on Monday July 16 @03:27PM EST" really just the output of

    date +"%A %B %d, @%H:%m%p %Z"

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  2. Re:Oops... by sheldon · · Score: 2

    Huh? The power adapter is about the same size as one for a cell phone. Actually it uses a batter similar to that found in a cellphone. Yes, Li-Ion, blah blah...

  3. Think MP3 by Pac · · Score: 2

    One gigabyte would allow for around 200 average-size(128K - 5 MB/file) MP3 files. I bet that can be a huge selling point for the 15-30 demography.

    1. Re:Think MP3 by JabberWokky · · Score: 2
      One gigabyte would allow for around 200 average-size(128K - 5 MB/file) MP3 files.

      My ex wanted a single CD-R disk full of E-Rotic and Lords of Acid songs. I had ripped them all at 256bps. Since she would be playing them at work with tinny little speakers, and having them on one disk was semi-necessary, I downed them to 48k or 32k. They sound fine on the cheap, zero bass speakers on a PC.

      You're a simple lame command from downstepping MP3s for appropriate targeted storage.

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  4. Re:I say DAAAAMN!!!!!!!!!!! by Drakino · · Score: 2

    MPEG4 movies are playable on the iPaq, and several people use this on a regular basis with Microdrives. It's all about optimized code, and not just the speed of the machine. (Now if MS would listen to that :-)

    PacketVideo is a commercial product for streaming to handhelds, and it's MPEG 4 based.

  5. Integrated as in the box, not the device. by Drakino · · Score: 3

    According to my impressions from Brighthand, the Microdrive is included in the box, and not specificially the PDA, so it will take up the CF slot...

    1. Re:Integrated as in the box, not the device. by RedX · · Score: 2

      Thankfully it's not integrated with the device. Imagine the already marginal battery life (2 hrs with backlight, 8 hrs with no backlight) being even worse if the Microdrive were integrated.

  6. Re:Reflective TFT by Thaddeus · · Score: 2

    The article says its very brightly backlit, with four brightness settings.

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  7. Re:while i am all for better technology... by gmhowell · · Score: 2

    You need a good smack. Next thing you'll be saying that you don't need more horsepower for your car.

    ;)

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  8. Re:Finally... by dublin · · Score: 2

    Yeah! And then we could run the original Berkeley Softworks GEOS to get a real non-MS office suite on the thing, with plenty of storage and all. :-)

    For those that don't know, GEOS (yep, ancestor to the GEOS still showing up occasionally in cellphones and the like) started life as a GUI office suite for the C-64. That's 64 *kilobytes* total RAM, folks (and you didn't even get to use it all.) Truly, one of the most impressive hacks of the 20th century.

    I sometimes wonder how Commodore might have fared if they had abandoned their attachmnent to those glacially slow 1542 serial disk drives in favor of something capable of file i/o at a more usable speed... Hmm, does anyone make an ethernet adapter for a c-64?

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  9. iPaq battery. by hey! · · Score: 2

    Actually, the battery life on the newer iPaqs is much better, but in exchange for this they take away the backup battery, which is stupid, stupid, stupid.

    I've had customers using GPS survey software which had to be installed with a special, date sensitive unlock key. If they accidentally left the iPaq out of its cradle over the weekend they have to call the software developer and convince them they aren't trying to copy the software to a new device.

    Naturally, all the other data is wiped out too, so better not get far from your cradle for too long.

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  10. Re:Don't buy it by georg_sch · · Score: 5

    From the Toshiba Spec Page (http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2001_07/e160 1/doc02.htm)

    SD card slot supporting single SD Memory card or SDIO card

    • SD Memory card security function not supported
    • Data enctypted to the SD Memory card security function not supported
  11. Re:Buttons by Kanasta · · Score: 2

    Games? The battery life on the IPaq is bad enough normally, why would you think you'd want to play games on this? Plus how much of your precious memory do you want to store your game on? You wouldn't have much left for work!

    Go out and buy a GameBoy Advance or something. At least there'd be games you can get for it.


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  12. Re:Prices by RedX · · Score: 2

    CNet also lists those same prices.

  13. Re:Reflective TFT screens are not backlit by Nexx · · Score: 2

    Uh, read the specs, if you can grok Japanese. You can light a reflective TFT, just not from the back, like a lot of people seem to say. The iPaq most certainly has an optionally lit screen, and apparently, so does this thing.
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  14. Will I be able to run .Net? by webword · · Score: 4

    As long as Microsoft's Passport is built into it, I'll buy one!

  15. Re:Any other alternatives? by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 2

    Microsoft's Transcriber will do real handwriting recognition. Of course, it can only handle as much as you can write on that at once....if you can squeeze a whole sentence on it, your's lucky...but it works. You can use cursive or printing. It's not loaded by default, but it's on the CD that comes with Pocket PC's. It's not bad. I prefer character recognition because I seem to move faster, and my handwiriting fills the screen too quickly. I move faster with Character Recognition, and Microsoft's character recognition is a ton more natural then Graffiti.

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  16. PDA or MP3 Player.... by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 2
    I showed someone at work who was thinking about getting a MP3 player my Casio EM-500 (yeah I know...no Linux...yet...but is there any real apps yet or synching apps? Is ther Pocket Streets?...nope) and she saw it and said she'd rather have something like that then a strict MP3 Player and I agree with her. We all know the BEST MP3 Player is a Computer, be it a Pocket sized one or a full blown laptop or desktop. I know that MP3/WMA/OGG only players have a CPU, but nothing can rival a PDA screen for sorting the playlist (try sorting 6 GB worth of MP3 on the Nomad's little display!). MP3 and wireless are THE reasons there's a need for a handheld of the power of PocketPC's. Palm better do something dang quick if they want to catch up as far as I am concerned. People want 32K colors and plenty of storage on these for playing MP3's, videos, games, and picture slideshows (one of my main reason's for having one..I hate destroying wallet pics that I pay lots of bucks for by carrying them in my wallet).

    I checked out the m505 and the only thing I can say about it is that the screen SUCKS! Worst of all, they have no multimedia! I don't want to plugin a MP3 player....the processor should be able to handle playing them not acting as a mere display for a player like the Handspring ones.

    I am saving up for one of these uber cool Toshiba ones so I can relegate my EM-500 to the wife ;). 1GB of storage plus GPS, Modem, Wireless Ethernet, Bluetooth and what ever else CF or SD/IO devices can do. BTW, I have a SD card for my EM-500 and I love it! I run most everything on it because there's only 16 MB onboard the EM-500 until Times2Tech can pefect the 32 MB upgrade (they are backlogged upgrading iPaq's to 64 MB!...check em out here. Also check out the review of this upgrade here. Anyway, I DROOL when I think about this machine and what else is to come! Pocket computers won't replace computers, but they will end up being FAR more common then the PC ever was. Now, when is someone going to design one that looks like a PADD on Star Trek! :)

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    1. Re:PDA or MP3 Player.... by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 2
      In a mail from Mack to me:

      We are working on it, but it has been slow going as we are working through a backlog of iPaq upgrades currently.

      Notice that both on the web site and in this e-mail it says nothing about it NOT being possible, just that they don't have it figured out....yet. Apparently they have a sudden surge of iPaq 64 MB upgrades...can't imagine why! :) Oh and his price ain't all that bad when you consider what they want for a 64 MB stock one (yes they do make a iPaq with 64 MB now. Not sure what the model number is.....too early in the morning....no coffee yet...). Remember dis ain't like stickin a stick of RAM in a PC. He is most likely working on surface mount chips and has to unsolder the old memory chip then solder in the new.....not an easy task and it's one I 'd pay to have done for me since I have trouble soldering Huge DIP IC's!

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  17. 8 hours battery life? by Galvatron · · Score: 3

    Hell, I may as well just use a laptop, at least that can recharge by plugging in. It looks like the same thing is happening to PDAs that happened to laptops, more and more power is being crammed in at the expense of useful battery life.

    The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned.

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  18. Re:Any other alternatives? by RevAaron · · Score: 2
    I know of one, but only one.

    The Apple Newton MessagePad 2000 and 2100. I have one, and it works wonderfully. Huge screen, real HWR (not character) recognition, flawless net access. And no hardware buttons.

    You can find them here.

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  19. Windows. Oh well. by fm6 · · Score: 2
    Judging from the press release, the PIM is very Outlook-centric. I'm not anti-MS zealot, but I will not trust my personal data to Outlook. And fancy PIM filters and pipes are a guarantee of data corruption. So I'll wait for the Linux version.

    OK, hackers, get to work!

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  20. Buttons by _ganja_ · · Score: 5
    One of the main things that has stopped me buying an Ipaq is the fact that they can only handle one key press at a time. This of course makes it less than ideal for games without using an on screen keyboard which takes up screen space.

    Let's hope, nay pray the Toshiba doesn't also have the design flaw then this seems like my perfect pocket PC.

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  21. Links by _ganja_ · · Score: 5

    The official Toshiba press release for the device.

    Also the new Toshiba site for the genio-e unfortunatly in Japanesse only for now.

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  22. Re:Any other alternatives? by jchristopher · · Score: 4
    I don't speak for other users, but I use the hardware buttons all the time. On the Palm platform, pressing the address book button, for example, turns the device on, and takes you directly to the address book. Sometimes you don't even have to take out the pen - to look at your calendar, for example: hit the "calendar" button, the device turns on, and takes you directly to today's view in the calendar. It's good for games, too. :)

    The scroll up/down rocker switch is incredibly useful as well, just like wheel mice. I would definitely NOT want the buttons taken away, and I suspect most others would like to keep them too.

  23. Good thing?..... by Mr.+Troll · · Score: 3

    *WHEW*, with the 1GB drive, now i can store 1,000,000 names/addresses, and appointments for the next 937,468 years!

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  24. Finally... by ackthpt · · Score: 2
    A handheld worthy of running a C64 emulator on! (c=

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  25. while i am all for better technology... by lyapunov · · Score: 4

    I just wonder, do I really need a PDA that has this much horsepower?

    I mean my god, if I have to have a gig of harddrive space to maintain my appointments I think that I have much larger problems...

    Wait a minute. What was I thinking?! I just realized that I would be able to run another setiathome client on it. And we all know how important this is on establishing your niche on the geek food chain.

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  26. Prices by darkov · · Score: 5

    The Register has an article (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/20402.htm l) that says the e550 will cost $560 and the e550/MD (as in Microdrive) will cost $800.

  27. Re:I say DAAAAMN!!!!!!!!!!! by MSBob · · Score: 2
    Should be possible but with MPEG1. Let's see: If you encode at 350kbits/sec (that's good enough for such a tiny screen esp if you don't encode realtime). That's 400,000bits/sec*3600sec*2 ~= 360 Mbytes. Add another 50 meg for audio and you should come under 400Mbytes for a full two hour movie. Certainly possible.

    As for the MPEG1 vs. MPEG4 issue: MPEG1 can look really good provided you do some tricks during encoding. If you don't encode in real time you can achieve acceptable quality within the 400kbits/sec video rate.

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  28. Reflective TFT by theEdgeSMAK · · Score: 3

    I have a Game Boy advanced and if you've followed the issues with their TFT reflective screen, or you own one yourself you know how much it sux.
    Is this one supposed to be better??

    edge

  29. Re:Two can play at that game! by Hemos+on · · Score: 2

    But I'm more of a Hemos then you are.