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The Great .us Giveaway

An Anonymous Coward writes: "ICANNWatch has a story about why the US Dept. of Commerce's plan to give away .us is a Really Bad Idea. Bids are fixed at $0, so the public gets nothing, but the contractor can charge what he likes for .us names, he can tie in other services, and pretty much do what he likes, except .us has to have rules that favor trademarks, and do what ICANN says. Plus it's set up so Verisign has the inside track. It's all in a paper by Brian Kahin called Making Policy by Solicitation: The Outsourcing of .us (MS Word, but ICANNWatch put up a .pdf). Last week public interest groups asked for a delay of the giveaway, but will anyone listen?"

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  1. Re:You know what would be nice... by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 3

    There's already a system for this, and it doesn't involve having other people do the work for you and getting it wrong. You can define a list of domains to search under before interpreting a domain name as absolute. The downside, of course, is that the search may take some time.

    Under Unix you can put a line in your resolv.conf file like this: "search fr com". Under Windows you can enter "DNS suffixes" of "fr" and "com" somewhere in the TCP/IP configuration dialogs. Then www.coca-cola will resolve to www.coca-cola.fr while www.superpages will resolve to www.superpages.com since there is no www.superpages.fr.

  2. The domain needs to be improved by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3

    The .us domain has been under used mainly because of the way it is currently organized, which create mile long addresses. For this reason most US companies would rather use the .com domain. I strongly believe that the .us domain needs to be made the great American domain, whereby universities and government organizations are also encouraged to use it. The way I see it, any two letters domains following .us should be for the states, as it is at the moment and then we should use top level style 3 letter domains for nation wide stuff. Examples:

    oh.us - Ohio
    ca.us - California
    com.us - USA commerical zone
    edu.us - USA educational institutions
    gov.us - USA government
    mil.us - USA miltary

    The .mil, .edu, and .gov TLDs would then be disbanded since they would no longer have any use.

    This may be a bit off topic, but unless the domain is improved giving it away free will not encourage it to be used to its full extent.

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  3. Re:Imagine the possibilies! by Azog · · Score: 3

    I'll have to get an "us" domain. There's too many great possibilities to pass up.

    For instance, a great second level domain would be "with.us". Then you could resell all the commercially useful third level domains: bank.with.us, shop.with.us, save.with.us, fly.with.us.

    But there's loads of other great possibilities. You read them here first:

    x.the.us (rebuild.the.us, destroy.the.us, network.the.us, educate.the.us, subvert.the.us, love.the.us, hate.the.us, fuck.the.us)

    x.is.us / x.is.not.us

    x.r.us (but toys.r.us will get you slapped for trademark violation.)

    x.for.us (linux.for.us, beer.for.us, games.for.us, cars.for.us, software.for.us)

    why.not.us, remember.us, its.on.us, kill.us, dont.forget.us, buy.us, fly.us, rent.us, sell.us, silly.us, sucks.to.be.us, computers.for.the.rest.of.us

    Quick! Rush out and reserve your us domain today!

    But which is better? free.beer.for.us or free.speech.for.us?


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  4. Re:Who uses .US now? by 1010011010 · · Score: 5

    Does anyone know who uses .US now? And why is it America has not used this TLD like most other countries have had to do? (IE: www.myDomain.or.jp, etc.)

    I do (see email address). My town does. All k-12 schools do.

    Unfortunately, .us is incredibly hard to use at the moment. It's not because of the decentralized nature of the system as it currently exists. It's because service from Verisign/Network "Solutions" absolutely, no-two-ways-about-it, sucks. It sucks rocks through a hose.

    They have made it intentionally difficult to use. For instance, I've been trying to give up a delgation given to me years about for a bout a year now. Neither I nor the town who would like the domain is able to get satisfaction from Network "Solutions." So, I just set the domain back up on my servers and provided the delegation.

    Which bring me to the second problem: updates. They're nearly impossible to make. The name server listed as master for the holly-springs.nc.us domain and the domain I was trying to relenquish has to move. The company it's hosted at went bankrupt and I have no idea how long I'll have use of that server's IP address. But www.nic.us -- now a Network "Solutions" "Service" -- requires email to be sent in; does not pre-fill the web form that generates the email form; responds to the request in 4-6 weeks, even if it's just to say that a field in the form was wrong (which prefilling would take care of); no one at Network "Solutions" knows about the .us domain; the phone number given for .us domain inquries plays a recorded message saying all correspondance must be done through email (see broken "procedure" above).



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  5. Explains a lot... by scoove · · Score: 4

    We've been trying to deal with Verisign for 6 months on several community applications, to no avail in every case.

    Verisign has been effective in stalling on every application, usually by taking 6-8 weeks to reply with an incorrect response like citing lack of authorization for the community (which was sent with the application). After you receive the erroroneous response and send a note to them pointing out their error, they take another 6-8 weeks to send a response saying "contact the community domain administrator for assistance" (which is what we would be if they'd get their act together).

    All Verisign's efforts have done is fully alienate each community (we do a good job letting folks know who's botched up the job) and given them a reputation as a company to avoid like the plague.

    We had a hunch the stalling tactic had another purpose...

    *scoove*

  6. Some info from the FAQ by RedX · · Score: 4
    From http://www.nic.us/faq.html:

    Who can get a US domain name?
    Individuals, organizations, businesses, city/county governments, Native Sovereign Nations, schools (K-12, private, community colleges), libraries, state agencies, and museums may obtain a US domain name.
    Examples:
    Jane Doe in Canoga Park, CA = jane-doe.canoga-park.ca.us
    Bob's Shoe Shop in Toledo, OH = bobs-shoe-shop.toledo.oh.us
    City Hall in New Orleans, LA = ci.new-orleans.la.us
    Monroe School District in MT = monroe.k12.mt.us

    Can I register something.us?
    No. See the examples above and read the Overview section of the Web site for complete information on the structure of the US Domain. Domain names are constructed with organization-name or personal-name followed by the city-name, the state-code, and .us.

    How much does it cost?
    The US Domain Registry does not charge any fees. Organizations approved to register .us domain names by the US Domain Registry may charge a nominal fee

  7. No big surprise by twjordan · · Score: 3
    the government has been giving away all our public resources to big business for years and years (land, trees, clean water, oil, gas, coal, radio spectrum) and we get very little in return. This sucks, but .us is a lot less important to me than some of the other things I mentioned above...

    Tony

  8. woohoo! by cheezus · · Score: 4
    i'm going to register

    icannisfucking.us!

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  9. Had to come sooner or later... by 11thangel · · Score: 3

    Let's face it, ICANN is a business. Even if they don't get money for the control of the domain name, someone is gonna be paying for buying .us hosts, and I would guess ICANN gets a share of the profits. Any business (especially the king of the .com's, which is what ICANN pretty much is) would be trying to get as much money as possible. The only question is how much abuse is going to occur because of this, not whether or not it will happen.

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    1. Re:Had to come sooner or later... by e_lehman · · Score: 3

      I checked around and found this from Karl Auerbach:

      Second, I do not believe that ICANN is paying enough attention to economizing. I have noted that ICANN's previous President is jetting around the world on ICANN business. That strikes me as odd - and expensive. Similarly, ICANN's senior staff does seem to show up, sometimes by two's and threes, at a lot of meetings around the world, even if only to give a short presentation. And I have heard quiet, but persistent, rumbles that some of these the presentations were not particularly well technically grounded. It seems that ICANN would be better served by fewer trips by fewer people.

  10. Re:Who uses .US now? by msaulters · · Score: 3
    Does anyone know who uses .US now? And why is it America has not used this TLD like most other countries have had to do? (IE: www.myDomain.or.jp, etc.)
    Why, I can name at least 50: tx.us, al.us, mi.us, ne.us, ak.us, ar.us, ny.us, etc...

    Each state has total control over it's own portion of .us, because the country codes were originally meant to officially represent that country. After all, .gov would get REALLY crowded as every little municipality started to use it. The MIS-use of the country-code domains began with the explosion of domain-squatting and as a few bright individuals in charge of domains such as .cc and .tv figured out they could sell control of them to private corporations.

    I fear the disruption that will occur when .us authority is switched to a different registrar. Your average state agency in Texas doesn't even employ knowledgeable IT people. Usually, their work is farmed out to independent contractors. Many many many of them will be behind when it comes to making any required changes to their DNS.

    (And just to kick in my own idea for a cool .us name: godhelp.us)
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  11. Re:American egotism, as usual... by yttrbium · · Score: 4
    Why does the US essentially control the .gov and .mil domains? It seems to me that this is yet another example of American elitism...

    This is a valid argument only if this were to happen today. When .MIL and .GOV were created, there was no such thing as a country code. .EDU and .COM weren't even delegated to anybody when .MIL started up. The "internet" was really just a connection of researchers and US governmental institutes. This isn't an example of American elitism, or even a matter of America-centric thought -- the simple fact is, the internet started as an American government entity. That's why we have .MIL and .GOV.

    just like when you fill out a form on a web site and there's a country drop-down..."United States" is often the FIRST option, as if the other countries in the list are trifiling and unimportant.

    As you admit, you're American. Therefore, you visit a lot of websites that have an American presence (you probably don't visit too many Dutch farmers news sites, or?). When people fill out those forms, you want to make it easy for them. So, you put the country as the default for what most of your visitors are going to be. And on .DE sites, Germany is the top country. In .CO.UK sites, England or UK is going to be the default country.

    Being an American and seeing the US chosen by default validates this point. How many times has another country shown up that you had to change it? I would venture you're not visiting too many Syrian sites where US was the default country. One the other hand, how annoying is it to find that you had to search a list of 200+ countries to find the US sandwiched somewhere between the United Arab Emirates and Uraguay, when you're on a site in English by a company that has a large American presence. At the very least, most companies put their top markets right at the top of the list so that the majority of their users don't have to take much effort searching through a list, whether that list is US & Canada or UK, Scotland, Ireland, etc.

  12. Imagine the possibilies! by Dutchmaan · · Score: 5

    all.you.base.are.belong.to.us
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