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KDE 2.2 Tagged
ByTor-2112 writes "According to dot.kde.org, KDE 2.2 has been tagged out. Awesome." Plans were originally to release 2.2 today, but scheduled release is now next Monday, to allow some time for more stability/speed work. 2.2 rocks my world. Excellent work on the part of all the KDE developers. Other dates mentioned are 2.2.1 in September, and opening work up on 3.0, which will hopefully come out at the beginning of 2002.
Great. I'm very glad to see that KDE is making headway. (Now if they'd just fix the minor security hole in their screensavers...) I'll be upgrading my Linux desktop for 2.2 pretty soon.
I just wish installing KDE on Solaris was as simple. Non-Linux situations just don't receive as much attention as they need to if KDE is really going to live up to its cross-platform promise. I've converted some of my Solaris users to KDE on the strength of the 1.1.2 release alone; if I can give them 2.2 on the SPARCs as soon as it appears on the x86s, I'll have won them over, I think. :-)
(They really like browsing the contents of a tar file in Konqueror. But they still laugh when the "system information" screen complains that it can't find the IRQs in use, or the game controllers, or any of the other all-the-world's-a-PC things. Enh, it's a start...)
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
I really really am. I use GNOME and have virtually ignored KDE with extreme prejudice. I know it is rather small-minded of me but at least I admit it.
I love the progress that KDE has been making. It has been steady and strong. I love the sane orderly and approach that KDE has taken from the beginning.
Originally, I hated KDE because of the non GPL issue. Now that is resolved. Next I hated it because it lacked nice eye candy. There have been terrific improvements in the theming department though there is more to go before it wins me over. I still don't like the lack of choice in window managers but I'm having second thoughts on that position since by only having one WM, more uniform configurability is possible.
I still hate that seemingly everything has an inappropriate use of "K" in there somewhere. Of course GNOME stuff is prone to the same problem, but you have to understand, I'm in the U.S. and it reminds us of K-Mart... bleah... white trash... too much associative crap associated with "K" words.
Just the other day I was wishing KDE and GNOME would just merge.
And where is GNOME's promised 2.0 release!?!? I'm getting seriously disillusioned. I think when I install this RedHat 7.2(beta) I'll give KDE a try... nothing new for me to see with the GNOME 1.4 there anyway.
Damnit Miguel?!?! What happened to the enthusiasm and momentum?! Put your marketting hat on!
This sort of short update schedule, etc. is great. I've always like that about OpenBSD (new version every 6 months) and if I remember correctly, Linus had made comments about trying to get the Kernel on that type of track as well.
Fewer "massive" changes that take 2 years to complete and more "evolutionary" style.
Whatever happened to that idea? (Officially)
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
I can't find any. Can someone relpy with some links for all?
Thanks.
Mandrake's distro is trailored for quite seamless use of KDE. RedHat is not and, frankly, I've been disappointed in RedHat's KDE offering to the point where I dropped it. Of course, now they're going to take it more seriously, but I'm still tired of RH and their crap.
Holy crap, that's great. Just my luck, my posts are typically so full of sarcasm, that no one will think I'm serious here, but I am. People do the "double-click... double-click again" thing all the time. I've been using computers for a couple decades now, and I still do it on occasion, because there isn't any feedback. KDE just solved a long, long time problem. I hope other Operating Systems steal this idea and improve upon it. Unfortunately, Microsoft won't on principle: they'll say the "idea" is "infected" with the GPL (argh, there's that sarcasm again, I've got to get rid of it).
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In konqueror settings, in the "konqueror browser" area, under the java script tag, there is an option that does just that. It is called "JavaScript web popups policy". there are 3 options, allow, deny, and ask. deny disables them globally, ask pops up a dialog whenever soemthing tried to open one, and aksks whether to allow it.
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I like c++ alot. I just think the fsf version of it really sucks. I love tail-recursion and the way c++ does handles. I believe oop can really make gui development faster and more bug-free if its done right. I hate gnome's c++ like hack written in c.
Anyway the orignally arguement why c was the defacto standard in gnome and not c++ was that g++ was mediocre and sucked really bad on anything non-intel. The other one was that comprises in the core QT libraries had to be made so it could compile under g++. This slowed kde down quite alot. I know alot of c die hards like to blame c++ on this but I believe its due to limitation in the g++ compiler. I noticed some code really runs fast on Visual c++ and runs slower and is more bloated on linux with gcc. Anyway I would love to see faster load times on kde3.0.
Do any of you know if the new compiler can help make kde3.0 run better?
http://saveie6.com/
AAAHHHH!!!
That's the goddamn Windows 2K file selection dialog, with the same damned problems it has.
Has anyone at GNOME ever done task analysis about what the user is most likely going to be doing when trying to save a file? While the shortcut bar to the left is nice (and I truly hope there's some obvious way to add new shortcuts, via the dialog), the most common task is to find the folder where the file either is (on open) or should be (on save) - ie, a tree view of files, or a separate list of folders from the list of available files. The old Gnome dialog used to separate the folders from the files - the new one apparently doesn't (although that completion is nice) - although there is evidently a mode to set it to.
Given that the dialog is already so damned big, couldn't a tree view be placed somewhere? And I really hope the greyed-out Folder icon next to the file type drop-down is "Create New Folder," another very common task when saving files - all the examples are evidently showing a file being opened, so I suppose removing the option on open sorta makes sense - although disabling it on open is a bad idea, IMHO.
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
Much of the "KDE overhead" is the dynamic linking of KDE applications. The number of symbols imported from the libs is enormous, and running KDE seems to reduce this overhead with kdeinit.
:P
Don't use the analogy to Windows, because the similarity to Windows ends with the default (and themable/replacable) looks. You can have 18 desktops in KDE, and I'm not quite sure Afterstep has less overhead than the KDE2 Window manager (KWin).
If you don't like the panel - KDE doesn't require you run it.
If you don't like the window frames - replace the window decorations.
If you don't like the widget set style - change the theme.
KDE runs a bunch of lightweight applications in the background to manage things, and your machine can handle those easily.
BTW: Run some KDE app with stdout/stderr visible, and see if it doesn't spawn a DCOP Server/etc (what you call KDE overhead).. I wonder if you were running apps with the 'KDE Overhead' all the time and never even noticed it
FVWM2 smokes once you pick up the config file structure. Use it for a while and switching back to Gnome or KDE feels as if you've traded that 1.3 gHz in for a P2 450. The only things I don't like are the limited control of minimized icons (some apps, ie. GIMP and Netscape, refuse to accept the icons specified in .fvwm2rc), and that Winlist's width can't be locked. Oh, and Xine won't run in my binary install.
Umm, not exactly a FUD...
;)
Here is an example - at my previous work I had to install them some sort of developer enviroment for the developers - and since I use personally KDE all the time - I thought, what the heck - and installed KDE 2.1 and KDevelop...
All the developers loved it. Just the CEO asked me where did I get a version of Visual Studio for Linux and do we have license for this. Guess what my answer was...
I've seen it on lots of cases, talking to commercial companies who develop some Linux solutions. Most of them use KDevelop even for developing kernel modules!...
Hetz (Heunique)