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Patenting In The Burst Test
gerddie writes "Heise has an interview with S. Kiesewetter-Köbinger, a patent examiner of the German PA, about the cultural break, software patents will impose to Europe if they become valid. He points out the danger to open source and science, and that with patents on software even mathematical methods would become patentable because there is no longer any difference. There is also a companion article competition in the court room, that gives some more insight in the history and current state of the patent system. All is in german, but as always the fish is your friend."
Actually, I would GREATLY appreciate a call from you, sir. I'd really like to get this matter straightened out.
Please call me at 1-800-275-3474, and as for Chris.
Thanks for giving this matter your attention.
http://www.theonion.com/onion3311/microsoftpatents .html
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Leela: No he didn't.
Communism was responsible for the murders of over 1,000,000,000 (one billion) innocent people during the 20th century. Don't give me that "true form" junk -- there is NO SUCH THING as good Communism, all Communists murder people, rape women, molest children, and kill Jews. Go to hell, Commie.
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Hey Adolph, aren't you missing a KKK meeting? I'm sure the dry cleaners have managed to get the semen stains off your white sheet. Did you know that the Nazis killed over 6 million Jews and 10 million other people during the Holocost? It's true. Your Anti-semetic comments are not welcome on Slashdot, go get your news from one of your favorite "white power" sites and leave us non-racists alone.
I seem to recall patenting 1 + 1 = 2, but I must have misplaced it. I know it's around here somewhere.
It's not nice to taunt Mother Hemos - or point out his faults. Beware his wrath!
As, if Hemos had even bothered to read the translated article, he would have realized that it is long, and that babelfish STOPS TRANSLATING it less than a third of a way through the article.
use freetranslation.com or one of the many other available translators instead.
yeesh.
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the pen is mightier than the sword, the sword is mightier than the court, the court is mightier than the pen.
"Software patents, they suck real bad, da da de dum"... in all seriousness, (and I don't have to say this part around here), this is a BAD THING COMING.
Here's my question: In light of the somewhat unfortunate fact that world economies are growing increasingly intertwined, especially given the rate of advances in digital communications, how great is the chance of my wonderful country (U.S.) eventually just deciding to "take the ball and go home" when it comes to countries that don't play by our current rules regarding software patents?
This strikes to the core of a problem America has always suffered from, namely a nasty elitist attitude regarding all things involving tech and government. While it's true that the U.S. has enjoyed relatively little fallout for this attitude problem historically speaking, how long can that last?
As an American, I suppose what I'm suggesting here is simply that U.S. citizens should probably start taking a closer look at how our internal government policy decisions (especially regarding technology issues) may eventually leave us out in the cold on the world economic scene. It only makes sense when you think about it; we've got the edge in a few areas for the moment, but tables have a way of turning whenever our good friend Murphy steps into the room...
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Shouting and ranting that all over and over again doesn't make it true.
I originally come from a country which currently has a strong Communist presence in its parliament. The last time I went home on my summer vacation the Communists were not murdering people, raping women, molesting children or killing Jews as you accuse. Besides, many Western Europeans who visit this site have Social Democratic governments that work.
Is it really that hard to wrap your head around the fact that the Stalin's "Communism" was nothing but red fascism? True Communism is nothing like that.
ah don't be a dense dogmatic fuckwad. go read something about communism's origins and history. paris commune? the radical early tendencies of the labour movement, prior to becoming the nice apolitical business unionism it is today? i realize this is a troll and all but the sort of unthinking mindset it parodies is all too common. half the webworking monkeys of the world are proto-fascist reactionaries politically (because in politics as in life, they haven't gotten out much from within the safe comfy box). They call themselves "libertarians" and wax enlightened, but when the shit hits the fan they will pull ranks with their class, whatever hardline neo-fascist form it takes. In a sense they already do, look at the cheery above-it-all dismissals of growing first-world state repression, police militarization etc.
How are Nazis communists? Communists (in it's true fom) belive that everybody is equal and should be treated the same, and get the same. Nazis belive in a super race and all others should be destroyed.
The rest of the world is NOT run by the US. We have not had software patents, and we like it that way. Why can the US not play ball with us, and drop its silly stance about the patenting of mathematical algorithms, methods, discoveries, and just about everything else that was excluded from patentability in the early days.
Besides, in contries that don't have software patents, software `inventors' haven't bothered to patent software (for obvious reasons). If a US style system was introduced into their country, surely---to be fair---they should be allowed to back-date patent registrations, etc. invalidating any later US patents currently passed.
To go back to the reality of patents---they are TERRITORIAL rights in two cases. They apply in the place where the patent was registered, and they grant `intellectual territory' in that place. Everything more should be viewed by people taking advantage of international treaties as good fortune.
ARRRGGGHHH!!! I just realized why everybody seems to think I'm a Nazi now. My original comment was directed against an individual who was posted bigoted comments with regard to Nazi's (and rather harshly at that), I assume in response to the fact that the article happens to be in German.
I'll be honest here, I personally despise the Nazi party, and every evil they stand for. I'd love to see them all burn. But you see, I shouldn't think that way, simply because if I do, I'm just as bad as they are. This is where my conflict comes into play (even leaving my religion out of it, which is difficult for me). I (probably stupidly) directed the "harsh one" to go find something useful to do instead of condemning the entire nation of Germany simply because of ONE of their political parties (admittedly, a vile one [Nazi scum], just IMHO).
To anyone who posted that I was a racist due to all this happy fun slander, I'd appreciate an apology, even if it comes posted as AC. Thank you.
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I disagree. He's only unintentionally funny, and if he were smart or insightful he wouldn't have posted in this thread in the first place.
You could type in the URL to the article you wants to translate.
Then maybe the fish becomes your friend again
If it's wet, Drink it!
Ich bin der grosse kaese.
*sigh* someone should patent First Post
"Dre don't get as high as me.... I'm Cheech and Chong" - Snoop Dogg
Even mathematical methods would become patentable
I take PI
If it's wet, Drink it!
Yes, you're right that I'm now at the point that I'm even getting my posts confused. My blood pressure has got to be spiking at this point... let's clarify if I can:
My original post was simply stating the person posting the EXTREME anti-Nazi stuff (the parts about bashing heads in with bats and such) really should get a life. Now, this does NOT make me a Nazi-sympathizer in any sense. I actually pretty much DESPISE them (NAZIS, that is), but (related to another of my posts) I feel conflict over this because in my book I'm not supposed to hate ANYBODY, although I happen to hate Nazis (which is wrong under my religious views, just as it would be wrong to hate anyone else I disagree with).
ANYBODY who's still consfused about this (and I know, I added to the confusion by getting mixed up myself), please email me a ceo@trilucid.com. Hell, I'll be happy to call anyone (long distance or not) to discuss this if need be. Thank you.
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Fuck yeah!
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Since software moves so rapidly, if they have patents, I think maybe 5 years would be good rather than 23 years or whatever it is.
Given the typical software patents, it's obvious that there is not a whole lot of money poured into developing the patent. Things like "1-click buying" or "limiting # of 3D avatars viewable in the client based on distance to client's perspective" may be innovative, but once spelled out in a few words, any number of methods to implement them immediately and easily pop into the mind of a programmer.
I am for the complete Trantorization of Earth.
Birds in general are stupid but the geese belong to the bird stupidity top 5%.
If read the babelfish translation you will, backwards how it is written you will see. Yoda, almost as if it were written by. Normal however I have found, word order for most other indo-european languages that is.
One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / the next it's rolling over me / I can get back on / I can get back on
Think we aren't already fighting this?
Think again! We are fighting!
This is NOT my site, please refer to my (numerous) other comments regarding the fact that lots of people now (mistakenly) think I'm a racist. Thank you.
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Key his precious Merc.
Shouting and ranting that all over and over again doesn't make it true.
I don't have to MAKE it true, it IS true.
I originally come from a country which currently has a strong Communist presence in its parliament.
The same Communists who murdered one billion people?
The last time I went home on my summer vacation the Communists were not murdering people, raping women, molesting children or killing Jews as you accuse.
Why should I believe you over the people who have seen their entire families murdered by Communist regiems just for being Jewish?
Besides, many Western Europeans who visit this site have Social Democratic governments that work.
"Social Democratic", "National Socialist", I detect a certain similarity between those two terms.
Is it really that hard to wrap your head around the fact that the Stalin's "Communism" was nothing but red fascism?
Of COURSE Communism is red fascism.
True Communism is nothing like that.
Show me this "true Communism." Which country has "real" Communism as opposed to the fascist, murdering kind? Which one?
Oh, NONE of them?
That's what I thought.
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How do you like them apples???
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I hate Nazis, their stench is the stench of tonnes of manure, and they are evil like Bill Gates on crack. I like to shoot Nazis with guns and beat them with baseball bats. All Nazis, I am going to kill you with guns and bats because you are evil and I hate you. Nazis are Communists and child molestors and racists. Nazis please stop being Communists and child molestors and racists, because everyone hates you because that's what you do. I want you all to die, and be advised that when you die, all Nazis will burn eternally in the fiery inferno of hell for rejecting the teachings of Jesus Christ, just like all the other Communists and child molestors and racists will also burn!! NAZIS GO TO HECK, YOU STINKS!!!
That is the most gramatically awkward submission I've read recently. It's almost as if Taco wrote it himself! ;)
"MY ORIGINAL COMMENT WAS *** AGAINST *** THE SICK PIECE OF SCUM THAT POSTED ANTI-SEMITIC CRAP HERE ON SLASHDOT... CAN'T SOME PEOPLE LEARN TO BROWSE AT -1 IN ORDER TO GET THE FULL STORY"
Okay, you say that now. But I took a look at what you were responding to, and your claims just don't hold up. Your first post (#8) was in resposne to post #3, which was a (somewhat illiterate, I'll admit) attack on the Nazi people. And as unhelpful as the post was, I don't think that was cause for insulting the person who wrote it.
I think your posts were in poor taste.
The anti nazi league are trouble makers in the UK who stir up racial tension and start riots under the guise of doing the opposite.
Well, that's a bloody good axiom, isn't it?
I live by it every day at work and at home.
Unresolvable debts to long lists of patent and IP holders. Yay. Are there still any drawing boards in the bribery chambers of the government? Certainly a relic from the past but may prove valuable to this long abused and dangerous system of handling invention.
What I found really funny about this article is that the person quoted an American Axiom. "never touch a running system" He basically said, with a software economy so dynamic and vibrant and working without software patents, why ruin it with patents. In other words IF IT AIN'T BROKEN DON'T FIX IT!!!! Ironic that a German quotes an American AXIOM. My how the tide does turn.... Christian Gross
There, I've demonstrated my full knowledge of both Spanish and German, and probably my lack of spelling skills in both.
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I don't believe you. Sorry.
I've been talking to my friend Chris who works with the ADL, and I told him to check out your intial two Slashdot posts, and he agrees with me that they were clearly intended to insult Jewish people. He's printed out your stuff, and during a meeting tomorrow he's going to propose that the ADL issue a boycott against Trilucid Communications for its administration's radical racially insensitive views. He says the chances of a boycott are good. Trilucid Communications could lose some business over this, because millions of Jewish Americans monitor advisories from the ADL, and tend to take boycott issues very seriously. The non-Jewish press may pick up on it also, you never know...
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i just hope no one gets the patent to breathing!
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Possession's not something to make fun of! It's very real and a friend of mine suffered a lot of because her possessed husband!
Check EPC article 52(1)c that says computer software is not patentable, and article 52(3) that has the infamous "as such" clause that EPO uses as a loop hole to grant software patents.
Unfortunately it seems europe has lost this race even before anyone knew it was an issue.
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When I was a kid I remember reading that non-communist Russia was a huge threat to the west because they did not recognize western patents. Of course, I like most people agreed that this was a serious problem.
Now I am an adult and I understand that earlier opinion was guided and shaped by the corporate marketing machine which has a vested interest in keeping ideas tied to their existing bank accounts.
Europeans should fight Software Patents and not be shy about it.
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See if you or any of your friends fit the descriptions on that page. If they do, please help them back to God!
I read "Burst-Test" and thought the headline was about condom QA/QC. Geeks have other hobbies, too!
If you don't believe me, ask that guy over there.
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After giving the headline a cursory glance, I thought it said, "Patenting The Burn-In Test"....although somebody's probably already working on that one.
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jews are the inferior race, and i get pissed off at the pro-jew anti-White spamming and trolling on slashdot. thanks for speaking up for true americans, dreamsynthesis. Say no to troll.
Most of those "oppression" signs are either perfectly normal traits or mild psychological conditions!
Reading sci-fi as a cause for oppression my ass...
Every single software patent I've seen begins with explaining what the patent covers, by describing an apparatus that implements the patent. Most of the time this means a PC running a piece of software.
Since IANAL, I'm interpreting this so that providing only part of the solution (ie, the software component) isn't covered by the patent since no hardware is provided. If providing part of the solution is a breach, wouldn't it imply that providing the hardware part only (a pc) is infringing? If providing some part of the solution is infringing the patent and some other part is not, where does the line go?
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."
...some guy ignored a line of geese crossing the road. Instead of waiting, he proceeded to drive his Mercedes into the line of birds, nearly running several over. When I confronted him about it (our companies are next door to each other), he became defensive and started to swear at me. As I walked away he started yelling about "me coming over there to do someting about it". I laughed at him, thinking that its not worth my time. But now as I sit in my cubicle my rage bubbles over. What should I do?
You really should read this man's posting history -- he insulted a Jewish poster for speaking out against Nazi racism and atrocity. He is a Nazi sympathiser and has no place on Slashdot which is USUALLY a pretty Liberal site. Clean up Slashdot: ditch the racists.
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Hello?
checked the clock when I got home
and realized I was alone
sat for hours by the window
wonderin' where did you go?
couldn't eat or sleep at all
took the pictures off the wall
paced the place as time moves slow
and I'm wondering where did you go?
Where'd you go? Where'd you go?
I wanna know
Lit a cigarette I couldn't smoke
wound the clock until it broke
went to bed then took a shower
stared at TV for an hour
did the dishes, made the bed
read a book I've never read
any minute you will show
and I'm wondering where did you go?
Where'd you go? Where'd you go?
I wanna know
here did you go?(4x)
I opened the fridge, I opened a beer
and played a tape I couldn't hear
emptiness began to grow
and I'm wondering where did you go?
Watched the sun come up from the back stairs
thought about the last few years
I lost control, I screamed, I cried
I punched a pole and went inside
packed my things called a friend
wished this emptiness would end
wrote a note then tore it up
poured the beer into a cup
sat on the couch, drank it slow
wondering where did you go?
I realized I couldn't stay
grabbed my things and I went away
Where'd you go? Where'd you go?
I wanna know!
Speaking with different tongues
Miriam was eaten alive from inside
Again she said
"I'm having your baby my love... love"
But it wasn't love, oh no
She was possessed... possessed
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/fiction writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine house early this morning. I'm sure we'll all miss him - even if you didn't read his books you've probably enjoyed one of his movies. Truly an American icon.
I just patented pr0n !
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Check out Bounty Quest, they reward people for finding documents that mention the idea before it was registered as a patent. That way the patent does not fulfil the new criteria and becomes invalid.
You get paid too...
Idempotent operation: Like MS software, wether you run it once or often, that doesn't make it any better.
...or you might not be. I'm going to tell you anyway. Sir, take a look behind you. Look over there. Do you see that hidden camera? And that one over there?
Congratulations, sir. Smile, you're on Slashtroll Camera!
That's right. Nobody thinks you're a racist. Nobody has contacted the ADL. Nobody is boycotting your company. All those messages are from me, and I was engaged in a practice commonly known as "trolling." I usually don't tell my victims that they've been trolled, but you seem to have fallen for this particular troll a bit too hard, and I don't want to be responsible for you having a coronary or something.
Here's how you COULD have figured out that you were being trolled:
1. One of my "Anti-Racism" links was actually a link to an Olsen Twins webpage. Blind Olsen Twin links are a hallmark of High-Echelon Slashdot Trolls, just like blind blind goatse.cx links are a hallmark of Slashdot Crapflooders. But most people are so aware of the Crapflooders that they're ignorant of the fact that real Trolls actually exist -- that makes them vulnerable to us.
2. 1-800-ASK-FISH ring a bell? The word "trolling" comes from a form of fishing, and fishing metaphors abound: what you did was referred to as "biting" or "taking the bait."
For once, I'm practicing "catch and release" by letting you "off the hook" in the hopes that you'll be a little less gullible next time.
I dropped more clues, but I can't tell you all the secrets at once, you know.
And by the way, it's nothing personal. I've read all your stuff. You're smart, funny, and insightful. And I really like the looks of your company also, and I wish you much success. I hope you keep posting on Slashdot, and hope that you'll someday consider joining the trolls so that you can inflict^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hbestow the same agony^H^H^H^H^Hwisdom on others that you've just experienced.
Now for the formalities:
YHBT. YHL. HAND.
I'm signing off. As Doctor Laura would say: "Now go do the right thing!"
One of the advantages to the old feudal system was that if you didn't like the way your town was run, you could (conceivably) go somewhere else. Nevermind the serf system.
There's probably another way out of town aside from the main road.
What's this Submit thingy do?
huh???
First, I have no clue what you're talking about. Second, you shouldn't label everything you disagree with a "troll." Communists MURDER people, and that's the simple fact of reality. The Libertarian philosophy IS the only one that represents freedom. Communism is fascism, and I don't care what you think it is "in theory", theory is NOT reality.