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Virus Scares and False Authority Syndrome

Fifth of Five writes: "Ran across this article on the IS-IT-TRUE.org site regarding False Authority Syndrome and the spread of virus misinformation by the media, users and Folks Who Probably Ought To Know Better. If you've ever watched the TV news and gritted your teeth over what is being presented as 'fact' this may shine some light on just how it got to be like this."

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  1. You either walk the walk, or talk the talk ... by LL · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People keep on forgetting that public media is in the attention business ... it is in their economic interest to sensationalise news in order to flog those accompanying ads (a bit of a problem for CNN when there's no major wars going on). As such, manufactured fluff (ie press-releases) is easier to regurgitate than any in-depth research or second-hand opinions (syndicated columns). Historically public media was part and parcel of the lecture circuit (aka rubber chicken show) where you would invite real authorities and experts to come in and air their thoughts in a proper interview. However, two general trends mitigate against this ... the increasing complexity of real-world issues (anyone who thinks Middle-East is a simple case of good-guys/bad-guys is in deep trouble) which limits the potential audiences interested in understanding the issues, and the move to tabloid style audience capture which tends to confuse celebrity with fame. Why should sports-heros and actresses (apart from the convenience of recycling pre-existing studio contracts) be ask to comment on areas way outside their domain? Why should TV shows get people from the entertainment field to present business news (and you wonder why the stock market is irrational). Unfortunately those with real knowhow gained from the school of hard knocks tend to be people who charge for their services ... would you want a surgeon who has never practised on patients before so why are we willing to listen to highly filtered news passed along by talking heads? It's becoming nothing more than a massive Chinese whisper in a global cocktail party.

    Fortunately we have some countervailing examples ... the /. ask XYZ is a particularly good way for the plebs to touch some of the people involved in the thick of things.

    LL

    The economic models which are the equivalent of yelling "fire" as loudly as possible to rush people to newsfeeds are creating some really bad incentives ... ultimately people have to realise there is a cost in misleading/diluted information (e.g. did anyone notice that the bard-wire concentration camp story that helped sparked the Balkans intervention and sundry bombings was filmed on the inside looking out?).

  2. It's a pain, but... by Raymond+Luxury+Yacht · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I must get warnings for "Wobbler" and "All Seeing Eye" sent to me by my [L]users all the time, but you know what? It's a fair cop.

    I set up filters, I block the sending and receiving of all .vbs files, I warn. And most of all, I know that many here will cringe when they read this, I actively encourage my [L]users to forward me all the warnings they get sent to them.

    Know why? After the 4th one I send back to them with an URL and a "Thanks, but that one was a hoax", they start to catch on (well... many of them do). Some also start to forward any and all messages with attached files to me if they weren't expecting them. Again, many here may cringe, my email box is huge and I spend hours each day weeding through false alarms sometimes. But IMHO it's worth it.

    Do you know how many actual FULL outbreaks this company has seen in the last year? One. Back in November of last year. It was Navidad and it was sent to a Hispanic employee (the CFO actually... hehehehe) from a relative, and since it was near Xmas, well, I forgave him. AFTER I made HIM clean out his own machine and then lambasted him in front of the entire company. But when people first saw the SIRCAM virus come in, even users who had not read my warnings yet spotted it instantly and sent it to me. This was before I'd set our mail server to send all messages with "I hope you like the file that I sendo you" in the body to /dev/null.

    All things considered, though, seeing as this office is almost entirely Windows, I think my methods work. Yes, it's time consuming. Yes, it can be annoying. BUT, I rarely have to restore from backup, and we haven't had any major outbreaks.

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  3. Our domain of knowledge by feed_me_cereal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Being knowledgable of technical stuff like "what viruses can really do" is the specific domain of knowledge we slashdot readers have. This makes me wonder, not being an expert on many other things, just how much mis-information is propagated through the news. I never watch the news anymore. All you see are disaster reports and attempts to make 40-year-old, middle-class americans paranoid of something.

    Possible TV News Headlines:
    • 10 reasons music will turn your kid into a raging homicidal maniac!
    • Is your home safe? (probably, if you don't live in the slums, which you probably dont)
    • Will hackers delete your life? (and you thought stupidity existed only in movies)
    • What are your kids doing after school? (What are your kids doing IN school? Learning how to cheat a proficiency test, getting harrassed by morons (young and old), and then smoking pot.)
    • Why environmentalists are crackpots (or how to think comfortably and incorectly)

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  4. Re:Wait a sec by baptiste · · Score: 3, Insightful
    But I don't see the problem ending any time soon because it makes big money for the media.

    True - the trick is figuring out how to make the media cover the really important stories of our time (DCMA, censorship, etc) in a way that'll benefit us instead of hinder us. If they make $$ covering the really important stuff, cool. Yeah - its a dream , but hey you gotta dream! :)

  5. Celebrity "experts" and False Authority Syndrome by Chris+Y+Taylor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    False Authority Syndrome is hardly limited to computer technology and the Air Force. How many times have we seen some celebrity interviewed in the media or give testimony to congress on some topic that has nothing to do with their area of expertise. Why would anyone think that some actress knows anything about agribusiness because they played a farmer in a movie? Yet, the media eats such "celebrity experts" up. I know most of the sensible congressmen surely know that the celebrity "expert" congressional testimony is just a way to get free publicity for their committee, but why do so many people play along with that?

    Scientists giving "expert opinions" outside their field of speciality is anouther common occurance (Carl Sagan comes to mind) in the media; perhaps because it is easier to know a handful of photogenic and cooperative scientists than to make a large number of contacts in different fields of research.

    It seems to happen alot on slashdot, too.
    Perhaps we should put useful biographical information in our sigs instead of cute sayings so that when someone with a degree in cognitive sciences is arguing with an aerospace engineer over spacecraft problems or adaptive behavior, we know which one to listen to at the time. I guess, perhaps that is what the User Info is for; but it doesn't seem to be used for that very often. Of course, if we get overly focused on "meatspace" identities, that might dampen otherwise productive discussions. Maybe different karma for different topics? Anyone have any ideas on how to minimize False Authority Syndrome on slashdot w/o introducing unneeded complexity or dampening useful dialog? Does it need worrying about?

  6. This experiment proves nothing. by Giant+Hairy+Spider · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remember that the subjects of the experiment weren't lead to any actual wrong act. I've always heard this referred to as if it indicated exactly the same thing as it would when someone was really being tortured to death.

    Whatever criteria the subjects actually used, the compliant ones came to the correct conclusion that it was okay to keep pressing the buttons. The disobedient ones either came to the incorrect conclusion that they would commit some crime, or the correct conclusion that this is what was truly expected of them from the experimenters. Too little is known to draw any valid conclusions from this, especially since it was obviously a psychological experiment to the subjects themselves (it just wasn't clear which experiment it was).

    At any rate, this experiment was torture of its subjects as much as it would be if they were really giving the shocks. "Psychological experiments" like these are crimes, pure and simple, not to mention scientifically invalid smartass cracks about human nature.

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  7. Google Cache of Pages. by Chmarr · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here's links to google's cache of all pages:

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  8. Authority is effective by Have+Blue · · Score: 5, Informative

    Before anyone posts some rant along the lines of ["They should have been smarter"|"They should have known better"|"Why are people so stupid as to fall for this all the time"], they should read this essay on Milgram's studies of authority. It's frightening.

  9. I called that number!! by Gregoyle · · Score: 4, Funny
    I don't know if that mail still has the woman's phone number at the end, but when I got it, it did.

    The number was at Los Alamos national laboratory, and I decided that with my shiny new cell-phone with free long distance I would call the number.

    Haha, much to my surprise, the woman picked up the phone, and I asked her if the email was true. She said it was and asked me to take the number off the mail if I sent it to anyone, because ever since that mail had gone out her phone had been ringing off the hook.

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  10. ultracrepidarian by rkischuk · · Score: 5, Funny
    On the same page:

    ultracrepidarian: (n., adj.) a person who gives opinions beyond his scope of knowledge.

    I'll have to add this to my top ten words to use when talking over somebody's head.

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    1. Re:ultracrepidarian by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wouldn't sex with John Lennon count as necrophilia now? Dead people aren't really "a different race", are they? I guess brain-eating zombies are, though.

      Good one!

      Actually, I was thinking of John and Yoko.

      Someone seems to have been offended by it. I can't understand why anyone would be offended by xenodubroticism; it's merely a description, not a condemnation or endorsement of the interest.

      It was probably the fact that the word musicians was in quotation marks, thus demonstrating my denegration of the genre of alleged music. Jeez, you'd think I'd insulted Sailor Moon or something like that.

      Where's my bulk tape eraser? [click-HMMMMMMMM] Problem solved.

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    2. Re:ultracrepidarian by scoove · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ditto! I'm so used to reporters getting it wrong (from interviews I've had) that I seriously doubt anything these critters put out.

      In case you're ever the recepient of a reporter's questions, here are a few recommendations for your survival:

      - if it is "off the record," then don't say it. Off the record is reporter code for "this will be really juicy stuff to print, but I'll have to slightly reword it."

      - if it involves a competitor or other antagonist, don't say it (reporters have a field day on creating any emotional tension, e.g. making you out to be a fool)

      - if it is not for release now, keep your trap shut and only mention it when it is for release. Reporters survive by getting new stories out and their loyalty to their editor (and interest in keeping their job) is greater than their loyalty to you.

      - if it is at all technical, give them a written release and limit the story to that. If you absolutely must be interviewed beyond the release, give them 10 minutes, give them a couple of soundbytes that you've pre-prepared, and refer everything else to the release.

      - and if you're the boss, tell your employees that speaking to the press is voluntary resignation (e.g. nobody does it except you).

      This will help you survive these critters.

      *scoove*

  11. Re:What scares me the most by Alioth · · Score: 3, Interesting
    You know what scares me the most. If the TV news crews can't get the fact straight concerning a simple Virus how can we trust them with other information?

    You can't. Not only am I a geek, I'm a geek who flies planes. For both computer related stuff AND aviation related stuff, they get it completely and totally wrong. With aviation, they sensationalize even more than they do with anything to do with the 'net or computers, spouting opinions based on zero knowledge (and it shows).

    I no longer watch the news on TV. Print news I feel is a little better depending on the source - it's not nearly as sensationalistic - but I still take everything with a big enough grain of salt that you could make a large livestock salt-lick out of it.

  12. Best story I remember... by Joe_NoOne · · Score: 3, Funny

    A friend of mine in High School loved to ride BMX bicycles and worked in the local shop. Lots of young kids used to come in and ask him stupid questions and bug him to try to be cool like they though he was. One day a particular kid was really obnoxious asking all sorts of questions about how he wanted his bike to work just so, to which my friend, getting sick of this kid, finally said, "I know the problem, but we can't fix it. Go to XXX bike shop and tell them there's a nut loose behind the handlebars". Shop XXX was about 3 miles away down very busy roads. The next day he gets a realy nasty call from Shop XXX because apparently the kid didn't catch the joke and went up there to bug those guys.

  13. Hmm by Adam9 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does the False Authority Syndrome include accepting Slashdot stories as fact too?

    1. Re:Hmm by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As in the TV news, to get that big Scoop, the goal is getting it out before the other guy. At least in the news papers there's some time before going to press to research it. But as it comes with Hi-Tech, Internet, etc., there's few people who really are qualified to speak, hence they go to their regular contacts. Once that contact has lost sufficient credibility they move on to another. Notice how the experts get put down, but the newsies blissfully continue on. The only newsperson I can recall who's been sufficiently spanked is Pierre Salinger.

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    2. Re:Hmm by zpengo · · Score: 3, Funny
      Does the False Authority Syndrome include accepting Slashdot stories as fact too?

      No, no, no... read carefully: It says False Authority Syndrome. Slashdot editors select news from only authoritative sources[1], carefully check all facts[2], generate precise and accurate write-ups[3], and publish promptly[4]. Any story you read here can be trusted.

      Notes:
      1: Anonymous cowards
      2: Asking on IRC, "Hey does this sound right?"
      3: Including careful spell checks by CmdrTaco
      4: Usually 2-3 months after news has appeared on Memepool, Slant-Six, K5, or similar sites.

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  14. It works the other way, too: by Bonker · · Score: 4, Informative

    A few days ago, I was involved in a conversation with a computer neophyte after I had been off the net for a few days.

    She told me she had heard of a new CD format that was supposed to copy-protect CD's by making them damage your stereo speakers.

    Knowing quite a bit about the Red-book standard, I told her that such a format was impossible and that it was almost certainly a hoax.

    Once I got back on the net and read about the Macro-vision scheme now in use in thousands of CD's, I had to call her and tell her that I was mistaken.

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  15. You know what they say... by Nugget · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The media is always accurate, except when they're talking about things I know."

    It's always a source of amazement to me how many people are capable of maintaining this perspective towards the media. I always try to think back to every single teeth-grinding, knee-gripping instance of media inaccuracy in a tech story whenever I'm exposed to a story on a subject on a topic which is unfamiliar to me.

  16. Repeat after me: "Reporters are idiots" by sjbe · · Score: 5, Funny
    No, not all reporters are. Just most of them. Most of the reporters I've met are little more than a talking hair-do and are fascinated by anything with blinking lights even though they almost never comprehend anything you tell them. You can just watch anything you tell them go in one ear and out the other.

    Why do I say this? I work in a tech center. We do a lot of nifty complicated work usually involving a lot of computers and/or math. It's neat stuff, but not that hard to understand what it is even if you don't understand the details of it. (part prototyping, databases, 3d computer graphics, etc) Because of the kind of work we do, we are something of a showpiece for the company. We get reporters and TV crews coming through all the time. The visits usually go something like this:

    Us: Here's this nifty complicated new piece of equipment that is going to help us make widgets faster, better and cheaper.

    Then: Uh-huh. Can you turn the lights in the room down and stand over by the blinking lights? We need a picture.

    Us: But those lights are the air conditioning system.

    Them: Yeah but it looks cool and I didn't understand a word you said anyway.

    They also have this peculiar fascination with taking pictures in low light conditions with glowing things. My wife worked in a lab where they used radioactive chemical markers for testing. They wanted to turn the lights down to get a picture of the spectrometer (which wasn't even in use) while showing someone handling radioactive chemicals in the dark. Very safe...

    Needless to say, I don't watch the evening news anymore...

  17. Slashdotted - copy here by Placido · · Score: 5, Informative

    I love you google cache!

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:ahVwga1Oq1o :www.vmyths.com/fas/fas1.cfm+&hl=en (remove the space that /. so helpfully adds. ;)

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  18. Here's a fun game by CaptainSuperBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Look at a magazine story involving programmers / IT people / scientists. Chances are you'll see a picture with one guy pointing at a monitor / instrument / dial, with 1-2 other folks looking on. Now, remember that this picture was STAGED, with a pushy photographer running around placing lights and fixing hair.

    Does this ever happen where you work or go to school? I can count on one hand the number of times I have gathered around co-workers (only on one side, wouldn't want to block the camera) while they pointed at a screen. Yet this image has become almost universal in the media's coverage of computers and science!

    The Boston Globe did a feature on a place I used to work. They tore the place up, taking pictures and disrupting everything.. and then people read the story thinking they just took candid pictures while everyone was working!

  19. Re:OT: Exploding Water! by gotan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hmm, being a physicist i even know how that superheated water thing works, you can heat water a little above the boiling point without it becoming steam. Only when you disturb it it will boil. Until then it's in an instable equilibrium state. The effect is even used in Bubble chambers: the disturbance by a charged particle is enough to result in a track of bubbles, thus making the particle visible (but be sure to get the timing of that photo right, or you could as well take a photo of your teapot). In chemistry we even learned to put something with an irregular surface in a testing tube before heating it, because it doesn't need a microwave for the effect, nor water. Any liquid being heated 'carefully' enough (and in a container with smooth enough surfaces e.g. glass) will do.

    So i wouldn't have discounted that superheated water story anyway. But that also means, before accepting or discounting such a story one should think if one has expertise on the subject. By dismissing it all as a hoax you became the false authority. It's rather better to say "Well i don't know about that, i have to know more before making a statement", maybe followed by "but i don't believe in it". It's ok to have an opinion about the credibility of a statement, but it should be marked thus.

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  20. CODE RED!!!!!! by alteridem · · Score: 3, Funny
    Oh my God, their server isn't responding!!! They must be infected by that Code Red virus that I've been hearing about in the news. It's all true, the sky is falling, the Internet is grinding to a halt. Quick, everyone turn off your computers to prevent its spread!

    Or maybe this is that even more insidious virus/worm I've been hearing about, the /. effect...

  21. OT: Exploding Water! by drew_kime · · Score: 3, Funny

    I got the email about superheated water from your microwave, and how it could explode. Wrote back explaining, "No, mom. It's just another one of those hoaxes I keep telling you about." Sheesh, when will she learn.

    Fast forward two weeks, I'm watching TV and see this interesting video ...

    Well damn, how about that. [dial dial dial ... ring ... ring ]

    Umm yeah, Mom? Sorry. You were right ...

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  22. Totally missing the point. by Giant+Hairy+Spider · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The fact that the "teachers" in this experiment thought they were truly inflicting pain

    That was exactly what I was calling into question. They hesitated and protested because they thought they might have been causing damage. The fact was that they weren't causing damage, and you can't say with certainty that they believed, in the balance of things, that they were causing damage.

    They had many reasons to believe they weren't causing damage. First of all, it's a psychological experiment run by a reputable university. You expect all manner of wierdness, you don't expect maiming and killing; normal standards of recognizing an emergency would be suspended. Secondly, the torture scenario makes no sense at all. If the experimenter wanted to torture the subject, he could simply press the button himself, he didn't need help, and he was certainly in a better position to judge whether the subject was in danger. Evil is not sufficient to explain the situation, it would take a very bizarre, unheard-of form of insanity (have you ever heard of anything remotely like a maniac who hired someone and stood by them and tricked them into activating a device which tortures or kills their victim?); even a practical joke is a thousand times more likely. In the board-operator's mind, we're really looking at a dilemma: it sounds like the person's being hurt, but nothing else about the situation allows the possibility that the person is really being hurt (the readings on the intensity scale are subject to many interpretations; it only sounds ominous because it is presented as such).

    However, the root reason to doubt that they believed they were causing damage is that there was no damage. Deception is hard. People take in hundreds of subtle indicators when evaluating the honesty of a claim, and they were taking direction from a person who knew exactly what was going on. The above reasons are just two more particularly obvious flaws of a poorly planned deception, there would unavoidably be many more, when trying to create such a ridiculous perception in the mind of the subjects.

    Those who quit didn't do so because they were certain that they would cause serious damage to someone, and decided they didn't want to contribute to it. Instead, they knew something very weird was going on, knew that they were being deceived in one way or another, and didn't want to play along any more.

    Note: damage. A little non-damaging pain is not a big deal. We put up with it when we get a needle or when we exercise or for a hundred other routine things. If your doctor told you to hold your child's arm while he inserted the needle, you'd do it, and not worry because it was a little pain for a good reason. If these people could be offended at the idea of causing mere pain in a consenting individual, they would have left as soon as their role was revealed, and the decision to ever press the button would be the big .

    This is simply not science. It's a political statement at best, psychological torture at worst.

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