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Human Markup Language
emc3 writes: "This article at InternetNews says that OASIS, the XML interoperability consortium, has announced the formation of a committee to develop Human Markup Language, 'to promote a specification for conveying human characteristics through XML.' The idea is to codify psychological, emotive, cultural, and physical characteristics in a standardized way. They say that the most obvious application would be for describing phsyical characteristics and actions in virtual reality environments. Other real-world uses could include describing a patient's psychological state for medical records. The OASIS press release is here. No more :-/ for me. From now on, it's <smirk>!"
Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
This seems like a whole lot of fluff, a romantic idea that will just end up being emotes in tags, and pretty lame.
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"Karma can only be portioned out by the cosmos." - Homer Simpson [1F10]
Shouldn't that be ?
We will have a tag for :)
Maybe now we'll finally get that long sought after tag...
.sdrawkcab si gis siht
Check out that hot babe
It is important to understand that OASIS is more of a standards body framework than an ordinary standards body. In other words, any OASIS member can decide to start an OASIS group on any idea, no matter how strange it may seem and no other OASIS member may prevent that. Few OASIS resources are used per group so the only real cost is in keeping tabs on all of the groups that are created.
<EMOTIONAL>
<A LITTLE DRUNK>
<PRETTY STONED>
<DANGEROUSLYCRANKY>
<SARCASM>
<SNEER>
This isajoke,isn'tit?
</SNEER>
</SARCASM>
</DANGEROUSLYCRANKY>
<SUDDENLYCURIOUS>
Whydon'tLiam & Noel Gallagherlookaftertheirown emotionsbeforeworryingabout anyoneelse?
</SUDDENLYCURIOUS>
</PRETTYSTONED>
</A LITTLEDRUNK>
</EMOTIONAL>
<TIRED>
Get the Hell off my planet, you slimy mobster Bush!
me and my friend were actually just having a conversation over icq in psuedo-xml. we need to make sure that the tags are quite flexible (ie or )
:-] vers :-) crap hehe.
Oh well. now people will be able to display their emotion icons how ever they want, no more of this silly
--onyx--
You know, modding down the above raises an interesting question. If you don't get any
replies on emails asking why you never get
moderation points, even when you have indicated
to be willing to moderate, and questions about
it on this board get modded down... How
ARE you supposed to find out what's wrong?
Great, I can just imagine the guys now:
"Cor, 'ave a look at the HumanML on that one! I bet she validates as well-formed, eh? Eh? *nudgenudge* I wouldn't mind parsing 'er markup, nah wot I mean?"
Think of Shakespeare! He had way less words to work with than we do now, yet no amount of human markup language can hold a candle to the richness of content presented in his tragedies.
I shudder to think of how the graduating class of every subsequent year is more illiterate than the one before it.
this sounds like it's going to run into some problems. as far as politically correct langauage is concerned, it's going to be hard to come up with a DTD that doesn't offend a particular minority... are we going to have short or fat tags? do we skirt the issue by leaving those out (and making the standard less descriptive)?
Just raise the taxes on crack.
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Level: 57
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Race: Erudite
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Reputation: Great. No enemies, and he has not been played in over 4 months.
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Guild: Disbanded so you can build your own alliances.
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Gear: Manna Robe (Same effect as mana stone 60 hp for 20 mana 3 sec cast time) Great for a wizard,
Venril Sathir Staff, Eye of Innurrok, Solist Icy Wand, J-boots, Staff of Temperate Flux, Sorcerer's Head, sleeves, pants, and bracer -- and all the extras including resist gear, fishbone earring, and a 10 slot 0% eight bag -- 200 int + 300+ mana gear.
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Skills: Defense is maxed, Swimming is high, Spell skills are all very high except divination which is almost 200
Hurry, only one at this price.The second I read this, I had "Geek Code" blinking in big, red, flashy letters in my head.
This thing will be to the Geek Code what XML is to DB file format !
Thomas Miconi
Upgrade your interpreter, the tag should nullify the previous instance of .
Uh, that should have been:
Upgrade your interpreter, the <GOODLOOKING/> tag should nullify the previous instance of <GEEK/>.
How can you standardize the conveyance of culture? Huh? For that matter, what's wrong with using regular language to describe someone? I don't see how a computer could usefully apply this info, except for... mmm... blood type and height and stuff.
--hongpong.com
You think you already aren't?
I've worked on systems used by police and other organisations to catalogue people. They've already got all the classification methods they need for describing people - height, build, hair colour and length...
You get mugged, you walk into a police station to report it. They can sit you down in front of a computer, ask you a bunch of questions about your assailant and bring up mugshots of the people on their database who match that description.
Sounds terrible, doesn't it? Well, one day, I got a call because the system had gone tits-up just as a witness positively identified a man who had carried out a racially-motivated murder. I had no qualms whatsoever about delving in and pulling out the guy's details so they could send a car around to arrest him.
It's not the technology that's at fault when it comes to invasion of privacy - it's the manner in which the technology is used.
Jack
Have we all lost our creativity. Do we really need to encode everything in XML just for the sake of using a buzzword. This may be useful in text-to-speech translators for the blind, but is anybody going to fill their webpage with this stuff. Is anybody going to type in Ha ha ha into an IM program. No.
:)
XML is a great FILE FORMAT that can be used to exchange hierchical information. Yes, I'm sorry to all the disallusioned out there, XML is ONLY A FILE FORMAT. It's not a programming language. And don't give me the argument that it's "eXtensible Markup LANGUAGE". There's still no "PROGRAMMING" keyword in there.
So unless you're a congressman gunning for re-election and the major issue is accessibility for the disabled, the standard acronyms and emoticons that have been used for about a decade are fine. Hell, even my parents use LOL and
What if porn sites were moving to this ?
<sylvia>
<brain></brain>
<hole>*</hole>
<hole>*</hole>
<hole>*</hole>
</sylvia>
It'd be so boring !
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Its like some bizarre movie plot where you'll all die if you stop passing standards and specs.
Look at almost every TR on the W3 site other than XML that starts with X, and you'll find technologies that no one asked for and no one cares about, including your own favorite XSL, which maybe takes the cake as most retarded technology ever devised.
Congrats! you committee-crazy folks are killing XML that same way you killed SGML, with ridiculous over-specification and needless standards. You should all work for the government.
Please respond to this here, I would like to know if you understand how ridiculous people think the XML standards groupies have become.
This ought to be tied in with H-Anim and X3d.
Otherwise, the will be re-inventing the wheel and conflicting with existing standards.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
Web browsers nonsensically treat
/> works right, but Slashdot won't let you use it, it removes the whole thing. So much for XHTML compliant comments.
;)
exactly like a
. So
gives one 2 newlines.
Perhaps I should post a rant to Source Forge?
P.S. Why doesn't Slashdot do HTML unescaping on the Subject when you select Extrans mode? < and > get eaten up, and so do their contents.
Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
Blame the abuse of the tools, not the tools themselves. That's what we say regarding DeCSS, and that is what we should say here.
Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
I think the most interesting use of this would be in research psychology. There's been a movement to come up with a good descriptive model for personality for some time now. There's some giant obstacles to overcome, though.
First of all, the study of personality and human behavior is incredibly young. Freud got the ball rolling little more than a century ago, and he set us off on the wrong foot. Like any new science, we're still at the "darts at a dartboard" exploratory stage. It's really hard to come up with a universal descriptive model when we're still drowning in the data.
Secondly, what (human) language are they going to base this on? Language is culture, and different languages describe the world (and people) in very different ways. We might come up with a descriptive markup that works very well when applied to Americans in American society but totally breaks down in Japan. How are they going to make sure that it's broad enough to be global without being so vague that it's useless?
I wish them well, though. Psychology has been badly in need of something like this for a long time, and even if version 1.0 sucks it gives us something to build off of.
This
After all, there's a difference between...
...that no text-to-speech program would be able to figure out without some hints.
<sincere>That's a great idea</sincere>
...and...
<sarcastic>That's a great idea</sarcastic>
Not to mention all the different ways to say "Dude".
"Do you expect me to talk?" "No, Mr. Bond. I expect you to die!"
DNA is a Turing machine. You, however, being dynamic and emergent, are not.
I must say that I'm little impressed with these XML folks. Markup -- bid deal. It's been around for decades in various forms. The question is: Which tags, exactly? HumanML? Give me a friggin' break. The AI guys have been making such ontologies for decades. It works, but only to a degree. You can't pre-tag everything because the tags you have now aren't quite right and the tags you don't have...well, you don't have them yet! That's why this article deserves a big YAWN.
And if this is just a bunch of programmers with no input from psychologists, anthropologists, etc., it's simply doomed to be obvious, groundless, and thus useless.