There are plenty of 9 seat planes on the market today, and the companies that make them are making money. Maybe you won't fly on one, but this is a real market.
The point is that these instruments have been thoroughly tested and shown to be accurate. That's where the peer review lies. What difference does it make then in how it does it? I can't possibly believe that a source-code audit of one of these instruments will reveal a bona fide error. Its either a stalling tactic or they're looking to launch a Chewbacca defence by introducing confusing arguments about computer code.
So what if GPS is used by law enforcement to check alibis? Isn't that a good thing? Why do so many people feel that they have a right to break the law?
Civil courts are all about money, and seeking fairness and renumeration through financial compensation. Criminal court is about enforcing the rules of society and protecting society. This is done in part through rehabilitation but also through deterrence and denunciation, and in extreme cases through physically preventing someone from committing crimes by keeping them in jail. How do you "rehabilitate" someone who really likes committing crimes, someone who maybe makes a lot of money doing it? Rehabilitation is for those who wish to change, not for those who choose a particular path because they are morally bankrupt.
The police don't put people in jail in America. The police investigate, its the courts who decide who does and doesn't go to jail. While I'm sure that someone is benefiting financially from having more people in jail, and I'm sure those people likely lobby the government, I fail to see what this has to do with the police. Can you please cite your source for your comment that American police *feel* everything is a crime worth jailing?
So they keep driving, now without a licence, and they get caught again. Now what do you take away? Jail might be overly harsh, but I see nothing wrong with a society that expects people to abide by the rules and holds accountable those who don't. And ultimately jail is the only legal and proper accountability measure that is guaranteed to work.
I disagree. Obviously the market conditions were right for them to be able to artificially inflate prices and not lose out to competitors. So I see no reason why they can't inflate their prices to pay for the fines as well. I don't know, maybe these three companies share a monopoly on the market, and if they all get fines they have to pay off, they'll all have to jack up their prices.
A six pack has more liquid, but not more alcohol. 72 x 5% alcohol by volume for the average beer = 3.6 oz of alcohol. A 40oz bottle of malt liquor at an average of 40% alcohol by volume = 16oz of liquor. You'll get much drunker drinking a 40 of rye than drinking a 6 pack of beer. This should be obvious without needing to do the math.
I have to strongly agree with your assertion that aerodynamics is negligible on the highway. I live on the bald prairie and drive a 2004 TDI Jetta with a Scanguage II giving me instantaneous fuel consumption. I have noticed that even a light headwind or tailwind will make a huge impact on fuel consumption. A 10 mph wind behind me can be the difference between 40mpg and 50mpg. Quite often I notice the wind direction by my fuel mileage before I'm able to confirm that by driving past a flag or something that will give me a good idea of direction and speed.
I also disagree that you should try and drive at the peak of the power band of an engine. (I'd also disagree that many engines have a power plateau. Torque plateau, yes, but not power). Most engines power band peaks at or near the red line. But power peak is not necessarily the efficiency peak, or power produced per fuel consumed. If it was, then it would make more sense to cruise at 60mph in 4th at 5000RPM than to cruise at 60mph in 5th at 2000RPM.
If I were to make a blanket statement about fuel mileage, then I would say that your best mileage is achieved at the lowest end of your torque band, and my own experience seems to support that. This repeats itself though through each gear. There is no doubt that I can get better mileage at 35mph than at 60mph.
I have to admit that gasoline powered cars are different than diesels, and lose efficiency at low RPM due to throttling, and I don't have much experience in monitoring fuel mileage in gasoline power cars.
Once again the knee-jerk Slashdot crowd has missed the point entirely in favour of getting outraged at nothing.
Citizens reporting infractions is how its supposed to work. As a citizen in whatever country or political construct you're in, these are your laws that you created and continue to support, you should also be the ones to enforce them. This is how it has always been.
In 1829 Sir Robert Peel created the modern police force with the Metropolitan Police. Of course, people opposed it. He famously stated that "the police are the people and the people are the police" pointing out that the police is made up of regular citizens being paid to provide full time a function that was traditionally provided by every citizen, and that every citizen still had their role in law enforcement. Our laws are still based on this fundamental principle. Citizens arrest powers still exist. Modern policing still adds a full time component to this, and with that comes needed expertise, but there are nowhere near enough police to effectively enforce the laws without citizen reporting. I just find it so ironic that a group that usually complains about "big brother" and the actions of the government (the government you chose to create and continue to re-elect I might add) is now complaining that citizens are being asked to get involved once again.
Again, these laws are your laws that you created because you wanted society to run this way. You should expect your neighbours to follow these laws and you should follow them as well. People seem to forget that these are their own laws. They see police and law enforcement with an "us vs. them" mentality. They see it as a game to be played and that if the police are going to start getting every day citizens involved that its an unfair advantage. That's the reality though. The reality is that no one has a right to hide from the law for the sake of hiding from the law. Its not a game, laws are supposed to be followed, period. The only limitations on that are limitations on the ability for others to investigate and interfere, i.e. search authorities, detention authorities, etc. Your neighbours have always been able to watch what you do outside your home, and they always will. Either get over it or stay indoors.
What makes you qualified to debate the cause of several different deaths? Are you a medical examiner?
Its fair to say that a common factor is police intervention with a taser. But its also fair to say that a common factor is the presence of drugs. Its also fair to say that another common factor is hyperthermia. But somehow these aren't considered?
100,000s of thousands of healthy, and unhealthy, individuals have been tasered and were completely fine afterwards. Very few have experienced problems and very few have died. I'm not sure that the same can be said for people with high levels of narcotics in their systems, or people suffering from hyperthermia. Yet somehow the taser is the one to blame, not the other factors. Case closed. That's a rather strong conclusion to reach. This set of symptoms still isn't recognized in medical textbooks, and the cause of these symptoms is still anybody's guess. Yet you've managed to deduce the one and only cause of this, as the taser.
Excited delirium has never been caused by the application of a taser on an otherwise healthy individual. Excited delirium has never been caused by the application of the taser, period. Excited delirium is what some people are experiencing that causes police to taser them in an attempt to gain control of the person. The debate is whether or not the resulting death is caused by the taser or by the excited delirium.
A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet.
What some today call "excited delirium" has been around as long as drugs have. If you search the net I'm sure you'll find plenty of examples. Most involve people sweating profusely, stripping their clothes off regardless of temperature or the fact they're in public, and display super-human strength, able to withstand having several police officers try to pin them, and having absolutely no response to pain. They almost all die. Regardless of what is done, they almost all die. This has been around since long before tasers. People die of unknown causes all the time. Recently, someone (I don't know who) started drawing a connection between such similar cases (which are still fairly rare) and came up with a term to describe the symptoms of this condition: Excited Delirium. The cause of these symptoms is still unknown, although drugs do seem to be involved in a lot of cases. Given the symptoms, police are inevitably called, and are expected to deal with it. What we do know is that this condition is usually fatal, and anyone in this condition needs emergency medical help. Given that they feel no pain and are extremely strong, most police tactics are ineffective. So the quickest way to control such a person and get them to the medical help that they need is to use a taser, the only tool police have that doesn't rely on pain compliance but actually physiologically incapacitates a person. The only tool that will work on a person in this condition.
As I've said, they usually die afterwards. And suddenly it becomes very easy to blame the police and blame the taser. Before the taser, and before this term "excited delirium", there was nothing to group these incidents together, it was just another junkie that OD'd and died, nothing more to it than that. Much like a tree falling in a forest with no one around, can someone experience these symptoms unless someone is there to witness it (and invariably calls police)? If not, its just a dead body someone finds one day with a lot of drugs in their system. Another junkie that OD'd and died.
My point is that you can call it whatever you want, its still just as real. Completely non-sensical guys running around naked in winter after a coke binge is real, whether medical journals care to document it, or name it, or not. Its happening, it has always happened, and we're starting to learn new things about it. Good thing TASER's funding some research into it, because obviously someone needs to. I'd say its completely accurate to say that its like an 18th century cause of death where no one new the cause, because that's exactly what this is. There is so much debate about it because no one knows the cause. But it sure is convenient to blame police and tasers. You'd think they'd blame the drugs as well, but strangely enough that part usually gets forgotten.
Well I've been tazed. It hurt like a son-of-a-bitch, for 5 seconds, and then I was find as if it had never happened, save for two small pink marks. I haven't been shot, and I don't think I'd like to be. In fact, to say you'd rather be shot is just being stupid.
A taser could in some circumstances be an escalating factor, as it does really hurt. However the overwhelming majority of the time, even the toughest of criminals don't want to get it a second time, and will comply. That's if they weren't already handcuffed during their 5 second ride. Its the only tool police have that is temporarily incapacitating. Everything else is based on pain compliance, other than a bullet to the brain stem or spinal column, both of which have nasty side-effects of death and permanent disability that the taser doesn't.
A cop should never go to a taser for someone approaching with a knife. Tasers are just not reliable enough. So I would argue that a taser would never be used instead of a gun. But, in certain situations, with multiple officers present to provide lethal overwatch, a taser might be deployed on someone who had a knife, but was not approaching, as an example, therefore preventing a situation from escalating to the point of where lethal force is needed. Guns don't (shouldn't) get used until the very last second, at which time it better work or you're dead.
You're completely missing the point. The point is that not everyone (arguably not anyone) who has been tasered and has died afterwards died because of the taser. Everyone who gets shot twice in the heart with a bullet dies. 100,000s of people have been tasered and didn't die. Is it not logical to suggest that for those that did die afterwards that there might be more to it than the taser? There are innumerable ways and causes for human death. Grabbing violent drunks and physically restraining them is dangerous. Its dangerous to the officers and its very dangerous to the suspect. Maybe one in everyone 100,000 applications of the taser results in some kind of injury to the suspect, and arguably many of those aren't the taser's fault, but merely happen coincidentally. I assure that far more than one in every 100,000 people who are taken down by six police officers come out unscathed. In fact I'd argue that more than half are going to at least have some scrapes and bruises, and at least 1 in 10 will required medical treatment.
Pennies come in boxes of 5000 each ($50), which weigh roughly 10 pounds each. There's roughly 100 boxes to a pallet (96 maybe?) or $5000 and roughly 1000 lbs. So you'd need about 10 pallets to pay that debt off, which could fit in two average sized armoured cars. Its a long drive from Toronto to the Mint. And I'm quite certain that they only accept rolled coin, unless its damaged. It would be a lot easier and cheaper just to mail them a cheque.
Is there any jurisdiction that uses an Alcotest as the only test? Here we use the Alcotest 7410 GLC to screen people, who, if they fail, are brought back to the office for a test on a more accurate instrument. I've never known the Alcotest to be wrong.
Yes and Yes. And I don't know anybody who could blow over on one drink. And I know, because I have access to these instruments and try them out. Even the tiniest girls would need at least 3 or 4 to get over.
I'm a qualified technician on the BAC Datamaster C and I have not been able to produce any false readings in testing, no matter how hard I tried. Good luck getting guilty people off.
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There are plenty of 9 seat planes on the market today, and the companies that make them are making money. Maybe you won't fly on one, but this is a real market.
I believe the issue is the quality of the security screening in these countries.
Or maybe real crooks like terrorists and spies use Facebook? People show off their crimes on Facebook all the time.
The point is that these instruments have been thoroughly tested and shown to be accurate. That's where the peer review lies. What difference does it make then in how it does it? I can't possibly believe that a source-code audit of one of these instruments will reveal a bona fide error. Its either a stalling tactic or they're looking to launch a Chewbacca defence by introducing confusing arguments about computer code.
So what if GPS is used by law enforcement to check alibis? Isn't that a good thing? Why do so many people feel that they have a right to break the law?
Civil courts are all about money, and seeking fairness and renumeration through financial compensation. Criminal court is about enforcing the rules of society and protecting society. This is done in part through rehabilitation but also through deterrence and denunciation, and in extreme cases through physically preventing someone from committing crimes by keeping them in jail. How do you "rehabilitate" someone who really likes committing crimes, someone who maybe makes a lot of money doing it? Rehabilitation is for those who wish to change, not for those who choose a particular path because they are morally bankrupt.
The police don't put people in jail in America. The police investigate, its the courts who decide who does and doesn't go to jail. While I'm sure that someone is benefiting financially from having more people in jail, and I'm sure those people likely lobby the government, I fail to see what this has to do with the police. Can you please cite your source for your comment that American police *feel* everything is a crime worth jailing?
So they keep driving, now without a licence, and they get caught again. Now what do you take away? Jail might be overly harsh, but I see nothing wrong with a society that expects people to abide by the rules and holds accountable those who don't. And ultimately jail is the only legal and proper accountability measure that is guaranteed to work.
I disagree. Obviously the market conditions were right for them to be able to artificially inflate prices and not lose out to competitors. So I see no reason why they can't inflate their prices to pay for the fines as well. I don't know, maybe these three companies share a monopoly on the market, and if they all get fines they have to pay off, they'll all have to jack up their prices.
A six pack has more liquid, but not more alcohol. 72 x 5% alcohol by volume for the average beer = 3.6 oz of alcohol. A 40oz bottle of malt liquor at an average of 40% alcohol by volume = 16oz of liquor. You'll get much drunker drinking a 40 of rye than drinking a 6 pack of beer. This should be obvious without needing to do the math.
I have to strongly agree with your assertion that aerodynamics is negligible on the highway. I live on the bald prairie and drive a 2004 TDI Jetta with a Scanguage II giving me instantaneous fuel consumption. I have noticed that even a light headwind or tailwind will make a huge impact on fuel consumption. A 10 mph wind behind me can be the difference between 40mpg and 50mpg. Quite often I notice the wind direction by my fuel mileage before I'm able to confirm that by driving past a flag or something that will give me a good idea of direction and speed.
I also disagree that you should try and drive at the peak of the power band of an engine. (I'd also disagree that many engines have a power plateau. Torque plateau, yes, but not power). Most engines power band peaks at or near the red line. But power peak is not necessarily the efficiency peak, or power produced per fuel consumed. If it was, then it would make more sense to cruise at 60mph in 4th at 5000RPM than to cruise at 60mph in 5th at 2000RPM.
If I were to make a blanket statement about fuel mileage, then I would say that your best mileage is achieved at the lowest end of your torque band, and my own experience seems to support that. This repeats itself though through each gear. There is no doubt that I can get better mileage at 35mph than at 60mph.
I have to admit that gasoline powered cars are different than diesels, and lose efficiency at low RPM due to throttling, and I don't have much experience in monitoring fuel mileage in gasoline power cars.
Once again the knee-jerk Slashdot crowd has missed the point entirely in favour of getting outraged at nothing.
Citizens reporting infractions is how its supposed to work. As a citizen in whatever country or political construct you're in, these are your laws that you created and continue to support, you should also be the ones to enforce them. This is how it has always been.
In 1829 Sir Robert Peel created the modern police force with the Metropolitan Police. Of course, people opposed it. He famously stated that "the police are the people and the people are the police" pointing out that the police is made up of regular citizens being paid to provide full time a function that was traditionally provided by every citizen, and that every citizen still had their role in law enforcement. Our laws are still based on this fundamental principle. Citizens arrest powers still exist. Modern policing still adds a full time component to this, and with that comes needed expertise, but there are nowhere near enough police to effectively enforce the laws without citizen reporting. I just find it so ironic that a group that usually complains about "big brother" and the actions of the government (the government you chose to create and continue to re-elect I might add) is now complaining that citizens are being asked to get involved once again.
Again, these laws are your laws that you created because you wanted society to run this way. You should expect your neighbours to follow these laws and you should follow them as well. People seem to forget that these are their own laws. They see police and law enforcement with an "us vs. them" mentality. They see it as a game to be played and that if the police are going to start getting every day citizens involved that its an unfair advantage. That's the reality though. The reality is that no one has a right to hide from the law for the sake of hiding from the law. Its not a game, laws are supposed to be followed, period. The only limitations on that are limitations on the ability for others to investigate and interfere, i.e. search authorities, detention authorities, etc. Your neighbours have always been able to watch what you do outside your home, and they always will. Either get over it or stay indoors.
What makes you qualified to debate the cause of several different deaths? Are you a medical examiner?
Its fair to say that a common factor is police intervention with a taser. But its also fair to say that a common factor is the presence of drugs. Its also fair to say that another common factor is hyperthermia. But somehow these aren't considered?
100,000s of thousands of healthy, and unhealthy, individuals have been tasered and were completely fine afterwards. Very few have experienced problems and very few have died. I'm not sure that the same can be said for people with high levels of narcotics in their systems, or people suffering from hyperthermia. Yet somehow the taser is the one to blame, not the other factors. Case closed. That's a rather strong conclusion to reach. This set of symptoms still isn't recognized in medical textbooks, and the cause of these symptoms is still anybody's guess. Yet you've managed to deduce the one and only cause of this, as the taser.
Excited delirium has never been caused by the application of a taser on an otherwise healthy individual. Excited delirium has never been caused by the application of the taser, period. Excited delirium is what some people are experiencing that causes police to taser them in an attempt to gain control of the person. The debate is whether or not the resulting death is caused by the taser or by the excited delirium.
A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet.
What some today call "excited delirium" has been around as long as drugs have. If you search the net I'm sure you'll find plenty of examples. Most involve people sweating profusely, stripping their clothes off regardless of temperature or the fact they're in public, and display super-human strength, able to withstand having several police officers try to pin them, and having absolutely no response to pain. They almost all die. Regardless of what is done, they almost all die. This has been around since long before tasers. People die of unknown causes all the time. Recently, someone (I don't know who) started drawing a connection between such similar cases (which are still fairly rare) and came up with a term to describe the symptoms of this condition: Excited Delirium. The cause of these symptoms is still unknown, although drugs do seem to be involved in a lot of cases. Given the symptoms, police are inevitably called, and are expected to deal with it. What we do know is that this condition is usually fatal, and anyone in this condition needs emergency medical help. Given that they feel no pain and are extremely strong, most police tactics are ineffective. So the quickest way to control such a person and get them to the medical help that they need is to use a taser, the only tool police have that doesn't rely on pain compliance but actually physiologically incapacitates a person. The only tool that will work on a person in this condition.
As I've said, they usually die afterwards. And suddenly it becomes very easy to blame the police and blame the taser. Before the taser, and before this term "excited delirium", there was nothing to group these incidents together, it was just another junkie that OD'd and died, nothing more to it than that. Much like a tree falling in a forest with no one around, can someone experience these symptoms unless someone is there to witness it (and invariably calls police)? If not, its just a dead body someone finds one day with a lot of drugs in their system. Another junkie that OD'd and died.
My point is that you can call it whatever you want, its still just as real. Completely non-sensical guys running around naked in winter after a coke binge is real, whether medical journals care to document it, or name it, or not. Its happening, it has always happened, and we're starting to learn new things about it. Good thing TASER's funding some research into it, because obviously someone needs to. I'd say its completely accurate to say that its like an 18th century cause of death where no one new the cause, because that's exactly what this is. There is so much debate about it because no one knows the cause. But it sure is convenient to blame police and tasers. You'd think they'd blame the drugs as well, but strangely enough that part usually gets forgotten.
Well I've been tazed. It hurt like a son-of-a-bitch, for 5 seconds, and then I was find as if it had never happened, save for two small pink marks. I haven't been shot, and I don't think I'd like to be. In fact, to say you'd rather be shot is just being stupid.
A taser could in some circumstances be an escalating factor, as it does really hurt. However the overwhelming majority of the time, even the toughest of criminals don't want to get it a second time, and will comply. That's if they weren't already handcuffed during their 5 second ride. Its the only tool police have that is temporarily incapacitating. Everything else is based on pain compliance, other than a bullet to the brain stem or spinal column, both of which have nasty side-effects of death and permanent disability that the taser doesn't.
A cop should never go to a taser for someone approaching with a knife. Tasers are just not reliable enough. So I would argue that a taser would never be used instead of a gun. But, in certain situations, with multiple officers present to provide lethal overwatch, a taser might be deployed on someone who had a knife, but was not approaching, as an example, therefore preventing a situation from escalating to the point of where lethal force is needed. Guns don't (shouldn't) get used until the very last second, at which time it better work or you're dead.
You're completely missing the point. The point is that not everyone (arguably not anyone) who has been tasered and has died afterwards died because of the taser. Everyone who gets shot twice in the heart with a bullet dies. 100,000s of people have been tasered and didn't die. Is it not logical to suggest that for those that did die afterwards that there might be more to it than the taser? There are innumerable ways and causes for human death. Grabbing violent drunks and physically restraining them is dangerous. Its dangerous to the officers and its very dangerous to the suspect. Maybe one in everyone 100,000 applications of the taser results in some kind of injury to the suspect, and arguably many of those aren't the taser's fault, but merely happen coincidentally. I assure that far more than one in every 100,000 people who are taken down by six police officers come out unscathed. In fact I'd argue that more than half are going to at least have some scrapes and bruises, and at least 1 in 10 will required medical treatment.
"They just want to check you over to see if they can bust you for something more serious."
Well yeah, that is their job. Living in a safe society means being scrutinized once in awhile.
I wish I could remember exact numbers, but...
Pennies come in boxes of 5000 each ($50), which weigh roughly 10 pounds each. There's roughly 100 boxes to a pallet (96 maybe?) or $5000 and roughly 1000 lbs. So you'd need about 10 pallets to pay that debt off, which could fit in two average sized armoured cars. Its a long drive from Toronto to the Mint. And I'm quite certain that they only accept rolled coin, unless its damaged. It would be a lot easier and cheaper just to mail them a cheque.
Why would anybody clear-cut forests if hemp fiber was cheaper?
To make room for more help fields.
1 or 2 beers also won't put you anywhere near the .08 or .12 levels. Not even close.
Is there any jurisdiction that uses an Alcotest as the only test? Here we use the Alcotest 7410 GLC to screen people, who, if they fail, are brought back to the office for a test on a more accurate instrument. I've never known the Alcotest to be wrong.
Yes and Yes. And I don't know anybody who could blow over on one drink. And I know, because I have access to these instruments and try them out. Even the tiniest girls would need at least 3 or 4 to get over.
I'm a qualified technician on the BAC Datamaster C and I have not been able to produce any false readings in testing, no matter how hard I tried. Good luck getting guilty people off.