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Finally, A Solution To The DMCA

morcego writes: "Well, finally someone came up with a solution to the DMCA problem. You can read it on the archive of the Humorix list." Well, combine this with my ULC Reverendship, and we're well underway *grin*.

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  1. Freedom of Religion? by Kenyaman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Freedom of Religion? How 'bout Freedom of Speech? We've already eroded freedom of religion to the point that kids have to fight hard to convince their school administrations to allow Bible clubs, even though such groups are explicitly legal. Oh well. :)

    1. Re:Freedom of Religion? by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The arguments aren't whether kids are allowed to form Bible clubs, but whether allowing the clubs to use school property constitutes state support of religion. My own view is that it does not, but reasonable people may differ on this point.

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    2. Re:Freedom of Religion? by flatrock · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The second ammendmnet to the US consittution:
      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

      If the school allows other clubs, then they should allow bible clubs equal access. Otherwise they are prohibiting the free exercise of religion, abridging those student's right to free speech, and preventing them from peaceably assembling on property that is available to others.

    3. Re:Freedom of Religion? by bnenning · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Because according to your interpretation there is no guarentee that you'll have any privacy what so ever. It isn't in the constitution, so why would you expect it?


      Because the Constitution does not grant rights. Instead, it enumerates the specific powers of the government. In theory, the government can exercise only those powers specifically named in the Constitution; all others are delegated to the states or the people. Of course this has not been the case for some time now.


      Don't be so strict, you'll really lose a lot of your freedoms.


      I'd argue that the "living document" view of the Constitution is responsible for far more damage to our freedoms. Look at how many laws and regulations have been passed using a bogus interpretation of the interstate commerce clause. Or consider the war on drugs; alcohol Prohibition correctly required a Constitutional amendment, yet somehow the federal government just asserted that it can throw people in prison for smoking pot.

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    4. Re:Freedom of Religion? by Sir+Tristam · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The Constitution itself promotes a strict interpretation. Congress in prohibited in Acticle I from making any ex post facto law; that is, a law that makes something illegal after the fact. Why? Simple; so that people would know the rules ahead of time, and only be punished if they break the rules that were in effect at the time that they committed a crime.

      If you look at the Declaration of Independence, making past actions illegal and then punishing the colonists for them was one of the tyranies that the colonists railed against when it was done by King George. That is why they made sure to include this restriction on the laws passed by Congress.

      However, if we then say that the Constitution itself is not to be interpreted strictly, but has a meaning that can change over time, then we are saying that people do not know the rules in advance; they find out that what they did was illegal when the courts "interpret" the Constitution. This smacks of the same tyranny that our founders were trying to escape.

      So, if we wish to summarize, interpreting the Constitution according to its "spirit" is against the spirit of the Constitution.

      Chris Beckenbach

  2. Sinful Confessions? by Deltan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does this mean that if I sin & distribute DeCSS but confess to it in the DMCA house of god, the evidence can't be used against me in court?

  3. LOL!! by Telek · · Score: 4, Funny

    Then the Great Programmer leaned back in his executive chair, and gazed upon the newborn Universe.

    And frowned. He knew those sentient humans would be a problem. Even after He had sweated over a hot terminal for thirteen days, those humans were ungrateful. They called their place of existence the "Universe", not the "Great Programmer/Universe".


    Richard M Stallman, eat your heart out...!

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    If God gave us curiosity
  4. Where have i seen this before? by Overphiend · · Score: 5, Funny

    The P.I. believes that the holy document was actually written last Wednesday when the High Priest had a little too much to drink.

    This procedure for creating a religion seems pretty popular, I believe Scientology was created that way.

  5. Terminology by virg_mattes · · Score: 5, Funny

    > Also note that having sex with a dozen teenage chicks at a time is part of my religion.

    Actually, by the time they're teenaged, they're not "chicks" any more. They're just "chickens" at that point.

    Virg

  6. Re:cause I can not remember by UberOogie · · Score: 5, Informative
    It depends.

    In most cases (in America), you cannot break the law in the name of religion. Aztecs cannot sacrifice people, Mormons can't practice polygamy, White Power churches cannot lynch people and violate civil rights, Branch Davidians couldn't violate gun laws and practice statutory rape (depending on who you believe).

    However, there are a lot of exceptions, mostly cultural. Amish are except from certain mandatory schooling laws. Native tribes are excempt from prohibitions against hunting endangered animals. Underage Cattholics can drink alcohol as part of services.

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  7. Sounds like a forking from... by Black+Art · · Score: 5, Funny

    the First Disassembly of God church.

    In the First Disassembly of God church we seek to reverse engineer the nature of the cosmos and supply weekly diffs and patches at our worship services. (As well as debugging of the faithful, documenting the numberous ways of violating syntax, and distribution of the Wine libraries and /etc/hosts file.)

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    1. Re:Sounds like a forking from... by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > In the First Disassembly of God church we seek to reverse engineer the nature of the cosmos and supply weekly diffs and patches at our worship services.

      Actually, what you describe as the First Disassembly of God church goes back at least 2500 years.

      Its members are called "physicists".

      A guy in a bathtub started it. They named a screw after him. There was another guy who had an apple fall on his head. Another guy drew ellipses and shaded in sections of 'em. Then there was a bunch of devotees who played around with magnets and batteries, and following them, some folks with a thing for that glowing gunk that came out of pitchblende. Someone figured out that you can use the bits that fly off the glowing gunk to bash bits of non-glowing gunk, and that the non-glowing gunk is mostly empty space. You can even take the small bits of gunk that aren't empty space and bash 'em against each other, and see what they're made of. (Even if you can never measure precisely where the bits of gunk are, or how much momentum they have, at any given moment. Uh, we're still working on how God pulled that one off.)

      By the way, if anyone knows what any of this "small-bits-of-gunk-that-you-can't-measure-where-i t-is-and-sometimes-it-acts-like-a-wave hack" has to do with God's other weird hack - the one that makes heavy stuff like apples, move towards other heavy stuff like planets (unless some church member's head is in the way), please apply for membership ASAP. We're pretty stumped on this bit.

  8. Re:Protected religious practices...Congress Helps by darkPHi3er · · Score: 5, Funny

    WASHINGTON POSTTIMESHEARLD
    WASHINGTON, DC: Aug 30, 2001

    As Congress furiously discussed what to do with the newly discovered "First Church Of Digital Grepping" and its alleged dogma that requires its members to constantly search through copyrighted materials for sacred meaning and salvation, the lobbying organizations for the entertainment and publishing sprang into action.

    The entertainments' lawyer and lobbyists have already brought about a marked increase in donations of cash, luxury cars, booze, dope and the deployment of hookers.

    One crack addict in a poor neighborhood of DC told us today, "Man, you can't score any good shit with it all going to them Congressmen. We down here smoking Draino and hoping those lobbyists from the entertainment industment get whatever the hell it is they want so we can get our freak back on!"

    Another professional worker in the recreational sex business tells relates a similar story, "Geez, it's normally bad enough here with all these Congressmen around. Can't keep in they pants, anyway. You know how it is, if they ain't doing one of us out here, they doing the American people in there. But with all them lawyers and lobbyists working Congress about that Geek Religion thing, its nearly as bad for a sex worker as it is when they ain't no interns around. That's the worst, it's just every ho for themselves then and pray for new load of interns."

    Sources within the entertainment industry say their goal is the simple protection of the artists.

    One anonymous source said, "Look we all know that the actual artist, the creator who is the principal beneficiary of our actions here. We're going to ensure that the people who create the movies, music and books that we all love and cherish continue to receive their .0000001% of all our net net revenues. We're very serious about this."

    Another source said that perhaps a solution similar to the one used with Native American peoples would be effective in dealing with "The First Church Of Digital Grepping".

    That is, round all them up, march two thousand miles in the middle of winter. Take their computers and ATM cards away from them. Give them habitats in faroff remote Northern rural areas, and allow them to practice their supposed religion two or three times a year, under close Bureau of Geek Affairs supervision.

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  9. Re:how long? by room101 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ah, geez, and don't get me started on the "void main" thing.

    (that should be "int main")

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  10. Re:how long? by ink · · Score: 4, Funny

    That all depends on if He planned for the universe to ever exit(). We will need to consult the prophets to find the answer.

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  11. The unclear part by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

    The unclear part is how to apply this when the each of these two adjacent sentence clauses (no establishment/no prohibition) contradict each other.

    It is unclear whether providing overhead (electricity, land, janitorial services etc) support for people egaged in religious activity constitutes a move, however tiny, towards the establishment of religion. Neither is it perfectly clear that forbidding equally all such support to all such groups effectively prohibits their right to excercise freedom of religion.

    People tend to see the issue as perfectly clear cut on one side or the other. It isn't, in my opinion. It is perfectly possible, in my view, that the framers left us with situations where those two adjacent phrases give us two contradictory imperatives, at least viewed using two valued logic.

    Let A be the proposition that letting the students meet on school property is kind of state establishment of religion. Let B be the proposition that not letting the students meet on school property limits their free excercise of religion.

    It's not a black and white issue. Propositions like this aren't true or false in the same way that "3 > 2" or "pi is irrational" are. They are matters of judgement, and can be somewhat true or somewhat false. I happen to think A is practically completely false (but to a tiny degree true); and B is mostly false (but considerably more true than A). Therefore, I favor the students being allowed to meet, but I can see how other people would have different opinions.

    Since neither A, nor B is anything like 50% true, I'm not going to get very worked up either way. Since there is not way to split the difference (the students are allowed to meet on the property or they are not), then either decision is somewhat good and somewhat bad.

    Now, if the policy where not applied equally to atheists, jews, pagans, muslims and christians, then I would definitely get very excited about it, since it would be a clear step towards establishment.

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