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Big Brother To Watch Judges?

One week from today, the U.S. Judicial Conference will decide whether judges and their staff can handle grown-up responsibilities like ... using the internet. No, you did not click onto The Onion by mistake: after heated disagreement earlier this year, the issue is coming to a head. Judge Alex Kozinski of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has a great Wall Street Journal opinion piece, today only. (It wants your email; try me@privacy.net.) Jeffrey Rosen's analysis in TNR is another good take on it. If you don't think the men and women who hold people's lives in their hands need daddy and mommy looking over their shoulder, you might take a moment to fire off a quick, polite email per the EFF's suggestion. If surveillance can invade a judge's workplace, it's for damnsure there's nothing keeping it out of yours.

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  1. great opinion piece? by soboroff · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm not sure I'd call it a great opinion piece. It's good that someone's taking issue with judicial workplace privacy invasion. It'd be a great piece if he talked to the larger issue of any employee's right to privacy. It's kind of ironic that BOFH policies hit the news with judges, but what about the rest of us?

    1. Re:great opinion piece? by patter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why do you believe that you have a right to privacy while employed and paid by someone else, and while using their equipment, internet connection, etc?

      This is precisely (sp?) what I don't understand about issues like this. If I supply you with a computer to do your job, then it should be my perogative to assume that you are not using it for anything but doing the job for which you are paid.

      If, as is seemingly the case today, I can't trust that this is the case (for example, history has given us reason to be concerned about employees downloading virus laden files to our network), then employers may monitor them... Yeah, I wouldn't like it either, but my not liking it is for purely emotional reasons, not rational ones.

      As well, if I am foolish enough to expect privacy on someone else's gear, then I should have my head examined. It's their machine, I'd never even consider putting a file on it that I didn't assume was read by every pimple-faced MCSE in the building.

      Let's set aside such trivial non-issues, and worry about invasions of privacy where we have a right to one (like carnivore reading our PERSONAL email on home email accounts, etc.).

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    2. Re:great opinion piece? by Johnny5000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "If you want to make private communications, then do it on your own time, with your own resources."

      In other words, freedom to those who can afford to buy it.

      -J5K

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  2. I have seen this in real life. by steevo.com · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a friend who is a circuit court judge. A couple of years ago his IT department began monitoring and limiting his Internet access.

    His solution? He bought a dial-up account and had an analog phone line installed in his courthouse office.

  3. interesting /. ethics by ethereal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, how come it's OK for a /. editor to suggest a bogus email address for the WSJ registration, but it's not OK for a /. editor to automatically change the NYT links to be registration-free? Don't both of those actions subvert the normal registration process, and don't they both have privacy implications? It seems like /. should just get a consistent policy on this sort of thing, and stick with it.

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  4. Over-reaction? by why-is-it · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If surveillance can invade a judge's workplace, it's for damnsure there's nothing keeping it out of yours.

    Well, if I could play the role of devil's advocate for a moment:

    It is more significant if a judge is surfing for illegal pr0n or warez on the job than some average luser. Is it so wrong to hold the guarantors of justice to a higher standard?

    Who guards the guards?

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  5. Re:Hold the phone by Ami+Ganguli · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just because it's legal doesn't make it right. I once refused to use company equipment for exactly this reason. I used my own laptop, my private e-mail (over a secure link), and my own cell-phone. The company didn't like this, but my contract didn't say I had to use their stuff, nor did it say I had to submit to monitoring.

    I've contracted for many companies, and I've never had to submit to monitoring. I spend enough of my life (way more than 40 hours/week) at work that I feel quite justified in using some of that time for personal business.

    My experience has been that the companies that insist on monitoring employees also tend to be the ones with the worst moral and the least compentent management. Of course that doesn't prove a causal relationship, but I doubt it's a coincidence.

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  6. This is already common practice by sandler · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I think it's great that the judges are taking this so seriously, but this kind of monioring is already very commonplace in most workplaces. I get a message similar to the one in the prison when I log into my workstation at work.

    I work at a large inventment bank, where many employees have access to information that other employees do not. And, I suppose that whoever has the job of snooping on people's email, etc. would have access to all of this proprietary or client information. But that's not stopping them from having the policy.

    Is the outcome of this struggle amongst judges really going to have any effect on the rest of us in the private sector?

  7. unmonitored? by jakob_grimm · · Score: 4, Interesting
    His unmonitored e-mail address is kozinski@usc.edu

    That may not be accurate.

    http://www.usc.edu/isd/policies/general/

    (see sections 1.4 and 3.3)

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  8. Monitoring is bad but filtering would be worse by hillct · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can't support monitoring of the on-line activities of members of the judiciary, not because I have problems with monitoring in general (which I do, but that's another issue) but because it represents our first tentitive steps onto a slippery slope which has the potential of being the root cause of many great miscarages of justice.

    Monitoring opens the door for filtering, which by definition operates with the sole purpose of preventing access to certain information. It is an exceedingly dangerour proposition, to suggest that Judges should be prevented from recieving certain information, as a matter of law, however this bears a little explaining. I'm not prtoposing that preventing judges from viewing pornography while they contemplate a legal decision is nessecerily a bad thing, but merely having the capability to filter what a judge sees opens the door to the potential risk of the abuse of the technology. Granted, monitoring is not filtering, but again, it's a slippery slope. Slippery slope arguments are difficult to make because you come off as though you're tilting at windmills, however, I think any technically knowlegable person can see the risks here.

    This decision has been a long time in coming. Earlier this year Judge wrote an article in the Green Bag Law Journal called In Defense of the Hard Drive in response to proposals then to monitor the office PCs of members of the judiciary. It seems that proposal has been expanded to an unbelievable degree at this point.

    On the bright side, there is a new grounds for appeal for every case brought before any court where this proposed system is implemented. Essentially, the argument could be made that undue influence was excerted over the court by those who monitor the proposed monitoring system; that judges will be hesitant to seek out information theough communications systems made available to him for that specific purpose in his/her chambers.

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    1. Re:Monitoring is bad but filtering would be worse by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Monitoring opens the door for filtering, which by definition operates with the sole purpose of preventing access to certain information.

      ...

      Granted, monitoring is not filtering, but again, it's a slippery slope.

      Darned damn well it is! If a judge working on a controversial case want to get informed and fetch information about the controversial stuff he's working on knows that legislators will see that he's getting data on the unpopular thing du jour, it will have a definite chilling effect on efforts made by the judiciary to get informed.


      And boy do we know how bad can an uninformed court can be!


      Lastly, monitoring judges is a totally intolerable and unacceptable interference with the judiciary by both the legislative and executive branches.


      Perhaps the judges should protest by installing bots that continuously troll for pr0n, in order to overwhelm monitoring efforts.

  9. Mentioned In The Article... by jes94 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    In the article, the author mentioned that they asked everyone to voluntarily cut down their usage and everyone did.


    Has anyone else at any company of any size (>100 employees) seen anything along these lines? Simply asking employees to cut down Internet use and the employees did? Or any studies about this?


    It sounds kinda odd to me. My reason for asking: I had never had any hesitations installing censorware for my employer to cut down on wasting bandwidth. But if asking actually works for >100 people, (ideally several documented cases) then I'll rethink my stance..

  10. All other fedral employees are monitored by KrisJon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All other fedral employees already get to see this (DoDs warning) every time they log on and on every web page:

    "THIS IS A DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE (DoD) COMPUTER SYSTEM. This computer system, including all related equipment, networks and network devices (specifically including internet access), are provided only for authorized U.S. Government use. DoD computer systems may be monitored for all lawful purposes, including to ensure that their use is authorized, for management of the system, to facilitate protection against unauthorized access, and to verify security procedures, survivability and operational security. Monitoring includes active attacks by authorized DoD entities to test or verify the security of this system. During monitoring, information may be examined, recorded, copied and used for authorized purposes. All information, including personal information, placed on or sent over this system may be monitored. Use of this DoD computer system, authorized or unauthorized, constitutes consent to monitoring of this system. Unauthorized use may subject you to criminal prosecution. EVIDENCE OF UNAUTHORIZED USE COLLECTED DURING THIS MONITORING MAY BE USED FOR ADMINISTRATIVE, CRIMINAL OR ADVERSE ACTION. USE OF THIS SYSTEM CONSTITUTES CONSENT TO MONITORING FOR THESE PURPOSES."

  11. I seriously don't understand this - by Carmody · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No joke here; I don't understand.

    I read slashdot all the time, and there is always an article about how some judge has ruled in favor of a wealthy entity's right to take away the privacy of an individual, followed by posts from libertarians saying that its okay that individuals don't have privacy rights in "the real world" as long as they do in theory.

    That's fine. That's good. That's slashdot. I love it.

    But now we have a situation where the Judges' rights to privacy are in jeopardy. And it seems most people are rallying to their defense. Send letters! Send email! Fight for their right to privacy!

    I don't get it. This is almost Shakespearean irony - judges being forced to endure the consequences of an environment that they themselves helped to create. Perhaps the best way for them to see the results of their rulings on individual privacy is for them to experience what it is like to be deprived of that privacy. Why would we interfere with poetic justice?

    DJS

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  12. Judges Don't Have Bosses by Artagel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One point from Kozinski's article that hasn't been appreciate here so far is that federal judges do not have bosses. They do not have people who can tell them how they do their work or what hours they work or anything else similar. A higher court can tell a lower court that it was wrong and reverse it. The people of the United States can even amend the constitution, or Congress can amend a law.

    A federal judge is appointed for life. Sure, Congress can remove him for bad behavior, but that has been applied as doing illegal things not how the judge ruminates about the case, or with whom. The system is designed to protect the ability of these individuals to make independent judgments. Courts of appeal provide the accountability, not putting the individuals under a microscope.

    A judge cannot operate in a vacuum. He needs clerks, secretaries, and the like to do his job. Monitoring them can be like monitoring him. The judicial conference's monitoring plan is a genuine intrusion into the independence of federal judges that should be beaten back.

    This is not only about the kind of privacy issue that comes up with all other workers. If that was the case, a prominent judge like Kozinski would probably not be publishing letters in the Wall Street Journal. (He's a likely candidate to be on Bush's short list for possible Supreme Court nominations.)

  13. No, I don't trust government employees... by tuxlove · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) believes that if we can't trust judicial employees to use computers appropriately, then we shouldn't trust them to administer our courts. -- The EFF

    While I'm not advocating that Judges be subject to surveillance, I have to say that I do *not* trust judicial employees in the slightest. The US legal system is scary. It has very little to do with actual justice or fairness. And these are *government* employees we're talking about. The same government that runs the IRS, FBI, CIA, etc., and in the case of state governments the DMV, the state police, and so on. Does the thought of these organizations instill you with confidence in the abilities of our government workers?

    I would agree that employees in the judicial branch of government (especially judges) are probably of higher caliber than, say, your average DMV worker, that doesn't change the fact that they are government employees and are therefore highly susceptible to bouts of extreme incompetence.

    I think the EFF's rhetoric here only hurts their cause.

  14. Holy Hog-Heaven, Buttman! by dr_strangelove · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So the same judges who've been quite forward about giving away *my* privacy, via a long and depressing string of judgements that it is perfectly ok for employers to snoop on their employees (to "closely monitor" in order to sniff out "inappropriate content", yada yada) are now whining that their employer (me) doesn't have that right wrt them.

    Nice try. No cookie...

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  15. Re:Your op-ed piece in the WSJ by Windrip · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I received this reply from Kozinski:
    I agree with your (sic) entirely. In fact, one of my major concerns in this matter is that if we adopt the most intrusive policy for our employees, we're more likely to approve it for others as well, when the issue arises in cases before us. Check out the attached article, as well as http://www.tnr.com/091001/rosen091001.html

    If you wish to help in this struggle, please check out http://www.eff.org/alerts/20010831_eff_judicial_mo nitoring_alert.html

    Sending a letter as suggested there, and copying in relevant members of congress, would be a big help.

    Once again, many thanx.

    Ciao. AK